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| Started by | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-01-28 08:53 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-01-30 10:50 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 155 — 26 participants |
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Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-28 08:53 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 14:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-01-28 08:47 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Julian Gomez <jeg@polished-pixels.com> - 2015-01-29 00:06 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-28 10:55 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-28 11:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 17:02 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 17:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 21:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-28 15:31 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 21:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-28 13:24 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 23:10 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-01-28 13:23 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 13:52 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-28 15:56 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-28 16:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 14:09 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-28 16:15 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 22:01 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 20:23 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 22:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 00:38 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:15 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-29 14:30 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 22:25 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 10:42 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 07:50 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 16:11 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 16:40 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:19 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-29 23:37 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 10:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-30 10:28 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-31 19:44 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-29 18:36 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-30 02:42 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-29 18:32 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 10:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 08:59 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 16:23 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 10:37 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:19 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 12:59 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 00:15 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 07:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:26 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 10:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 16:07 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:29 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:53 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-01 16:31 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 16:36 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-01 19:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 19:26 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 21:48 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 13:56 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-01 23:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-01 20:07 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 17:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-01 22:55 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> - 2015-02-01 23:58 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 09:37 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 11:35 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 16:53 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 13:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:27 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-02 17:12 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 23:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-03 09:14 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 16:12 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-02-03 09:36 +1100
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 18:28 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-03 13:24 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 23:56 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 22:40 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-03 17:28 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-02-04 08:32 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-05 09:13 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-01 22:28 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:15 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:13 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 01:05 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-01 09:43 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 15:49 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-01-31 09:39 +0100
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 12:37 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:25 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-31 15:14 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:31 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-30 09:03 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:31 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:47 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 15:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:36 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 16:45 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:35 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 09:09 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 16:27 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 10:31 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-30 16:37 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 19:18 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 10:01 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:08 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-31 15:51 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:20 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:18 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:26 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 17:49 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-31 16:53 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 13:56 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-01 13:01 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-30 19:17 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-31 08:52 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 13:53 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:26 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-31 15:06 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 23:35 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-01 09:20 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:54 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 19:16 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:17 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 22:21 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 00:34 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-30 23:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-30 22:00 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:24 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 10:02 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:24 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:22 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-29 19:34 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 10:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:28 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 11:02 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-01-28 13:33 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 22:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 23:05 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 23:13 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 10:50 -0500
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 12:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj40l7F66a4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69389 |
On 2015-01-31, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge >><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: >>> > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, >>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT >>> >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have >>> >> no choice but to concede. >>> > >>> > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I >>> > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC >>> > laptops >>> >>> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer >>> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. >> >> Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin >> tool come with that. Again, nothing that can deal with a network our size. >> They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will >> reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and >> solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are >> yet. > > Gulp. I'd have been interested to see that (I certainly don't carry a torch for Microsoft), but given that I'm semi-retired, I doubt that'll happen now. -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 31st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181 Fancy some more excitement in your life? I'm selling my 300 bhp/tonne Westfield SEiW. Ask me for details.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 14:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj46ulF7f66U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69390 |
On 2015-01-31, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-31, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: >> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge >>><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: >>>> > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT >>>> >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have >>>> >> no choice but to concede. >>>> > >>>> > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I >>>> > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC >>>> > laptops >>>> >>>> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer >>>> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. >>> >>> Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin >>> tool come with that. > > Again, nothing that can deal with a network our size. What are you using right now that can deal with a network that size? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 15:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54cd379a$0$39549$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #69396 |
In article <cj46ulF7f66U2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-01-31, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > > On 2015-01-31, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > >> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>> In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge > >>><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >>>> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > >>>> > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, > >>>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT > >>>> >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products > >>>> >> have > >>>> >> no choice but to concede. > >>>> > > >>>> > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I > >>>> > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC > >>>> > laptops > >>>> > >>>> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer > >>>> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. > >>> > >>> Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin > >>> tool come with that. > > > > Again, nothing that can deal with a network our size. > > What are you using right now that can deal with a network that size? You know, I question the "300,000 laptops/desktops." What? -- Where's the Vangelis music? Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her. They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene. -- notes for Blade Runner
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-01 10:31 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <010220151031384073%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69389 |
In article <bvgupb-8dr1.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge > ><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > >> > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT > >> >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have > >> >> no choice but to concede. > >> > > >> > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I > >> > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC > >> > laptops > >> > >> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer > >> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. > > > > Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin > > tool come with that. > > > > They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will > > reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and > > solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are > > yet. > > Gulp. Oops! That should have said Apple and IBM (not HP) have a new partnership for enterprise-level solutions. Apple was talking with HP at one stage, but went with IBM instead. Hey, easily confused, they were both ugly PC-box makers. ;-)
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 09:03 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <300120150903571848%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69314 |
In article <civ4eaFs8t3U1@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge > ><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >> > > >> > Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. > >> > >> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple > >> is essentially nowhere in corporates. > > > > For Apple to take that on, Apple would have to take over the > > development of Windows and of MS Office for Windows, and I am certain > > that Apple doesn't want to do that, especially considering that that > > would entail support and compatibility with hardware from Apple's > > competitors. So Microsoft doesn't have anything that Apple needs. > > Want != Need > > Apple might be perfectly happy being a consumer company. It is, after > all, making gargantuan amounts of money. > > The impression I gained when we met them was that they were definitely > interested in breaking into the corporate market, but had nothing to > offer us, which is a pain, since we have a large, thriving and growing > underground community of Mac users who'd like to officially use them > at work, where they are Forbidden. There are many, many companies that allow their employees to use either Mac or Windoze (or anything else sensible). The servers and the hardware manufacturer are irrelevant as long as the software needed to do the work is available for Mac ... and as long as the IT department aren't a bunch of "Windoze only" morons scared of losing their jobs when employees computers actually do what they're meant to do without Bluescreening every five minutes.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 20:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <290120152031423234%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #69314 |
In article <civ4eaFs8t3U1@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge > ><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. > >> > >> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple > >> is essentially nowhere in corporates. > > > > For Apple to take that on, Apple would have to take over the > > development of Windows and of MS Office for Windows, and I am certain > > that Apple doesn't want to do that, especially considering that that > > would entail support and compatibility with hardware from Apple's > > competitors. So Microsoft doesn't have anything that Apple needs. > > Want != Need As I said, MS doesn't have anything that Apple needs or wants. That has nothing to do with Apple buying Microsoft.
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 10:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <D0EFC031.B3F6A%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #69310 |
On 1/29/15 8:50 AM, in article 290120150750383249%michelle@michelle.org, "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge > <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >>> Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. >> >> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple >> is essentially nowhere in corporates. > > For Apple to take that on, Apple would have to take over the > development of Windows and of MS Office for Windows, and I am certain > that Apple doesn't want to do that, especially considering that that > would entail support and compatibility with hardware from Apple's > competitors. So Microsoft doesn't have anything that Apple needs. As we can see by the following chart: <http://tinypic.com/r/4l5daa/8> Yet- the Shorts just keep fighting the obvious...
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 15:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <civ16nFrfmiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69308 |
On 2015-01-29, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. > > Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple > is essentially nowhere in corporates. Not quite. I see more Macs and iPad and iPhones in corporate culture now than ever before. > And will stay that way unless they > do something about their server line. Of course, they might not care, but > they were happy enough to talk to us (I work for a very large corporate). So have I, for the past 20+ years. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 10:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <D0EFBDC0.B3F67%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #69308 |
On 1/29/15 4:42 AM, in article ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net, "Huge" <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. > > Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple > is essentially nowhere in corporates. And will stay that way unless they > do something about their server line. Of course, they might not care, but > they were happy enough to talk to us (I work for a very large corporate). > Oh, of course! That would explain the 'nick'...
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <civ6cqFs8t3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69315 |
On 2015-01-29, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1/29/15 4:42 AM, in article ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net, "Huge"
><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants.
>>
>> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple
>> is essentially nowhere in corporates. And will stay that way unless they
>> do something about their server line. Of course, they might not care, but
>> they were happy enough to talk to us (I work for a very large corporate).
>>
>
> Oh, of course!
>
> That would explain the 'nick'...
Nope. It's one letter different from my real name, and something I've
been called for over 40 years.
--
Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 29th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 20:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <290120152035065459%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #69317 |
In article <civ6cqFs8t3U2@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >>> Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. > >> > >> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple > >> is essentially nowhere in corporates. And will stay that way unless they > >> do something about their server line. Of course, they might not care, but > >> they were happy enough to talk to us (I work for a very large corporate). > >> > > > > Oh, of course! > > > > That would explain the 'nick'... > > Nope. It's one letter different from my real name, and something I've > been called for over 40 years. Your folks named you "hug"? ;)
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 09:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <D0F0FAB9.B3FED%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #69317 |
On 1/29/15 10:45 AM, in article civ6cqFs8t3U2@mid.individual.net, "Huge" <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-29, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 1/29/15 4:42 AM, in article ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net, "Huge" >> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. >>> >>> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple >>> is essentially nowhere in corporates. And will stay that way unless they >>> do something about their server line. Of course, they might not care, but >>> they were happy enough to talk to us (I work for a very large corporate). >>> >> >> Oh, of course! >> >> That would explain the 'nick'... > > Nope. It's one letter different from my real name, and something I've > been called for over 40 years. > Speaking of LARGENESS: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/30/apple-is-0-5-of-us-gdp-0 -15-of-global-gdp/?partner=yahootix> APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS, LOL!!!
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 16:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj1pmnFj8tpU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69359 |
On 2015-01-30, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
[30 lines snipped]
> Speaking of LARGENESS:
>
><http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/30/apple-is-0-5-of-us-gdp-0
> -15-of-global-gdp/?partner=yahootix>
>
> APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS,
> LOL!!!
It used to be that Mitsubishi was responsible for ~1% of the world's
entire economic activity.
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 30th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 10:31 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <310120151031078794%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69368 |
In article <cj1pmnFj8tpU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > > [30 lines snipped] > > > Speaking of LARGENESS: > > > ><http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/30/apple-is-0-5-of-us-gdp-0 > > -15-of-global-gdp/?partner=yahootix> > > > > APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS, > > LOL!!! > > It used to be that Mitsubishi was responsible for ~1% of the world's > entire economic activity. Yeah, but Mitsubishi has fingers in many many pies: cars, washing machines, fridges, DVD players, TV recorders, etc. as well as manufacturing pieces for other big name companies to put in their devices or simply stick their badge on.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 16:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <300120151637575926%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #69374 |
In article <310120151031078794%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > > APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS, > > > LOL!!! > > > > It used to be that Mitsubishi was responsible for ~1% of the world's > > entire economic activity. > > Yeah, but Mitsubishi has fingers in many many pies: cars, washing > machines, fridges, DVD players, TV recorders, etc. as well as > manufacturing pieces for other big name companies to put in their > devices or simply stick their badge on. Same can be said for Samsung. I have a GE refrigerator; I saw a Samsung one that is virtually identical to mine. I doubt that GE made it for Samsung, though.
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 19:18 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <D0F18970.B407B%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #69377 |
On 1/30/15 5:37 PM, in article 300120151637575926%michelle@michelle.org, "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <310120151031078794%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS, >>>> LOL!!! >>> >>> It used to be that Mitsubishi was responsible for ~1% of the world's >>> entire economic activity. >> >> Yeah, but Mitsubishi has fingers in many many pies: cars, washing >> machines, fridges, DVD players, TV recorders, etc. as well as >> manufacturing pieces for other big name companies to put in their >> devices or simply stick their badge on. > > Same can be said for Samsung. I have a GE refrigerator; I saw a > Samsung one that is virtually identical to mine. I doubt that GE made > it for Samsung, though. Same with LG - all done originally by GE.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 10:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj3nfbF3mgfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69383 |
On 2015-01-31, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 1/30/15 5:37 PM, in article 300120151637575926%michelle@michelle.org, > "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> In article <310120151031078794%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS, >>>>> LOL!!! >>>> >>>> It used to be that Mitsubishi was responsible for ~1% of the world's >>>> entire economic activity. >>> >>> Yeah, but Mitsubishi has fingers in many many pies: cars, washing >>> machines, fridges, DVD players, TV recorders, etc. as well as >>> manufacturing pieces for other big name companies to put in their >>> devices or simply stick their badge on. >> >> Same can be said for Samsung. I have a GE refrigerator; I saw a >> Samsung one that is virtually identical to mine. I doubt that GE made >> it for Samsung, though. > > Same with LG - all done originally by GE. I imagine you have that bass ackwards. -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 31st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181 Fancy some more excitement in your life? I'm selling my 300 bhp/tonne Westfield SEiW. Ask me for details.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-01 10:08 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <010220151008512082%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69387 |
In article <cj3nfbF3mgfU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-31, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On 1/30/15 5:37 PM, in article 300120151637575926%michelle@michelle.org, > > "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> In article <310120151031078794%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> APPL is 1/40th of the United States GDP. Shit, THAT'S bigger than TEXAS, > >>>>> LOL!!! > >>>> > >>>> It used to be that Mitsubishi was responsible for ~1% of the world's > >>>> entire economic activity. > >>> > >>> Yeah, but Mitsubishi has fingers in many many pies: cars, washing > >>> machines, fridges, DVD players, TV recorders, etc. as well as > >>> manufacturing pieces for other big name companies to put in their > >>> devices or simply stick their badge on. > >> > >> Same can be said for Samsung. I have a GE refrigerator; I saw a > >> Samsung one that is virtually identical to mine. I doubt that GE made > >> it for Samsung, though. I currently have a Dell labelled display plugged into my computer, but with the exception of the label, it's exactly the same display as the previous Samsung oe I had (I even re-used the swivel/tilt stand that clips onto the bottom). > > Same with LG - all done originally by GE. > > I imagine you have that bass ackwards. Samsung and LG do both make a variety of electronic and household appliance products ... but Mitsubishi has an even wider net to include things like cars which are in higher price brackets. I don't know a lot about GE since they aren't really a big name down here in New Zealand.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 15:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <310120151551202334%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #69416 |
In article <010220151008512082%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > Same with LG - all done originally by GE. > > > > I imagine you have that bass ackwards. > > Samsung and LG do both make a variety of electronic and household > appliance products ... but Mitsubishi has an even wider net to include > things like cars which are in higher price brackets. Mitsubishi also owns Nikon.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 12:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54cd0ec9$0$44068$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #69383 |
On 15-01-30 20:18, George Kerby wrote: > Same with LG - all done originally by GE. I think that shipping costs start to become an issue when you are talking fridges, so it may make sense to build locally (as used to be the case in Canada with CAMCO).
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