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| Started by | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-01-28 08:53 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-01-30 10:50 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 155 — 26 participants |
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Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-28 08:53 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 14:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-01-28 08:47 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Julian Gomez <jeg@polished-pixels.com> - 2015-01-29 00:06 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-28 10:55 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-28 11:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 17:02 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 17:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 21:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-28 15:31 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 21:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-28 13:24 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 23:10 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-01-28 13:23 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 13:52 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-28 15:56 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-28 16:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 14:09 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-28 16:15 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 22:01 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 20:23 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 22:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 00:38 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:15 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-29 14:30 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 22:25 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 10:42 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 07:50 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 16:11 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 16:40 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:19 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-29 23:37 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 10:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-30 10:28 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-31 19:44 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-29 18:36 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-30 02:42 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-29 18:32 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 10:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 08:59 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 16:23 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 10:37 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:19 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 12:59 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 00:15 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 07:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:26 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 10:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 16:07 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:29 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:53 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-01 16:31 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 16:36 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-01 19:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 19:26 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 21:48 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 13:56 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-01 23:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-01 20:07 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 17:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-01 22:55 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> - 2015-02-01 23:58 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 09:37 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 11:35 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 16:53 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 13:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:27 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-02 17:12 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 23:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-03 09:14 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 16:12 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-02-03 09:36 +1100
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 18:28 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-03 13:24 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 23:56 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 22:40 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-03 17:28 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-02-04 08:32 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-05 09:13 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-01 22:28 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:15 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:13 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 01:05 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-01 09:43 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 15:49 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-01-31 09:39 +0100
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 12:37 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:25 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-31 15:14 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:31 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-30 09:03 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:31 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:47 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 15:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:36 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 16:45 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:35 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 09:09 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 16:27 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 10:31 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-30 16:37 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 19:18 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 10:01 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:08 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-31 15:51 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:20 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:18 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:26 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 17:49 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-31 16:53 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 13:56 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-01 13:01 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-30 19:17 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-31 08:52 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 13:53 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:26 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-31 15:06 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 23:35 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-01 09:20 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:54 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 19:16 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:17 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 22:21 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 00:34 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-30 23:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-30 22:00 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:24 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 10:02 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:24 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:22 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-29 19:34 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 10:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:28 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 11:02 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-01-28 13:33 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 22:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 23:05 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 23:13 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 10:50 -0500
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 15:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj1ltpFhq52U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69354 |
On 2015-01-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: >> In article <civj9eF206oU2@mid.individual.net>, >> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> >>> > On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:40:37 +0000, Jolly Roger >>> >>> Who is killfiled here because he's a twat. >> >> And yet you're responding to him. That would make you the twat. > > You can suck one another's cocks in my killfile. Enjoy. Awwww, don't go away mad, Hugo. Just go away! Hugs and kisses, you enormous wanker! : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 10:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <magigg$j0j$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #69354 |
On 2015-01-30 10:16:02 +0000, Huge said: > On 2015-01-30, D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: >> In article <civj9eF206oU2@mid.individual.net>, >> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> >>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:40:37 +0000, Jolly Roger >>> >>> Who is killfiled here because he's a twat. >> >> And yet you're responding to him. That would make you the twat. > > You can suck one another's cocks in my killfile. Enjoy. Not listening to the truth doesn't make it less true...
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| From | "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 19:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dfmanno-FC6413.19440231012015@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #69354 |
In article <cj13v2FddqvU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: > > Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:40:37 +0000, Jolly Roger > >> > >> Who is killfiled here because he's a twat. > > > > And yet you're responding to him. That would make you the twat. > > You can suck one another's cocks in my killfile. Enjoy. He can dish it out but he can't take it. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com GOP delenda est!
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 18:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-A70245.18360729012015@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69321 |
In article <madtjr$us2$3@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:40:37 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > > > > Your employer is behind the times, fighting a losing battle. I've worked > > in the tech field for 20+ years in America where many corporations are > > now supporting and purchasing Apple products, because employees all the > > way up to senior management want to use them at work. When upper > > management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT > > departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have > > no choice but to concede. > > It might work for the average guy in the cubicle, but the servers are a > different story; probably all running RH/Centos on huge RAID server > hardware. And I've discovered that Mac OS doesn't play as nice with Linux servers as I would hope. It won't authenticate with NIS unless you add the shadow map which we can't as it breaks some appliances we have. And the corporate IT environment doesn't support NIS shadow, so that leaves their AD for authentication. Luckily I don't have access to that side of the firewall to figure it out. And don't get me started on NFS mounting requiring automounter to work, which we don't use. Ugh. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-01-30 02:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmclrt1.ekh.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #69340 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> was all, like: > In article <madtjr$us2$3@dont-email.me>, > sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:40:37 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: >> >> >> > Your employer is behind the times, fighting a losing battle. I've worked >> > in the tech field for 20+ years in America where many corporations are >> > now supporting and purchasing Apple products, because employees all the >> > way up to senior management want to use them at work. When upper >> > management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT >> > departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have >> > no choice but to concede. >> >> It might work for the average guy in the cubicle, but the servers are a >> different story; probably all running RH/Centos on huge RAID server >> hardware. > And I've discovered that Mac OS doesn't play as nice with Linux servers > as I would hope. It won't authenticate with NIS unless you add the > shadow map which we can't as it breaks some appliances we have. And the > corporate IT environment doesn't support NIS shadow, so that leaves > their AD for authentication. Luckily I don't have access to that side > of the firewall to figure it out. And don't get me started on NFS > mounting requiring automounter to work, which we don't use. Ugh. They are using NIS for authentication? <checks> Do they know it's no longer the 20th century? Have they heard of LDAP? -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-29 18:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-75BCFA.18324229012015@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69316 |
In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-01-29, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > > On 2015-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> In article <ciuh42Fn5krU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge > >><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >> > >>> > Microsoft has little, if anything, that Apple needs or wants. > >>> > >>> Other than lots (and lots and lots and lots) of corporate customers. Apple > >>> is essentially nowhere in corporates. > >> > >> For Apple to take that on, Apple would have to take over the > >> development of Windows and of MS Office for Windows, and I am certain > >> that Apple doesn't want to do that, especially considering that that > >> would entail support and compatibility with hardware from Apple's > >> competitors. So Microsoft doesn't have anything that Apple needs. > > > > Want != Need > > > > Apple might be perfectly happy being a consumer company. It is, after > > all, making gargantuan amounts of money. > > The fact is Apple doesn't need Microsoft's help to gain traction in > corporations. > > > The impression I gained when we met them was that they were definitely > > interested in breaking into the corporate market, but had nothing to > > offer us, which is a pain, since we have a large, thriving and growing > > underground community of Mac users who'd like to officially use them > > at work, where they are Forbidden. > > Your employer is behind the times, fighting a losing battle. I've worked > in the tech field for 20+ years in America where many corporations are > now supporting and purchasing Apple products, because employees all the > way up to senior management want to use them at work. When upper > management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT > departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have > no choice but to concede. That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC laptops from CostCo (we're trying to collect the old PCs from the engineers but they're surprisingly resistant). I'm convinced that the majority of the software people would have quite the very day that corporate IT came by to replace their Macs with the corporate Lenovo PC running Windows 7. And even though the IT Director "does not support Macs", he's been told by a senior director to hire a Mac person for his staff. Someone told me that Cisco didn't offically support Macs when he worked there, but you could get one and use it. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-30 10:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69339 |
On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT
>> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have
>> no choice but to concede.
>
> That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I
> work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC
> laptops
We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer
us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere.
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 30th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-30 08:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9amdnZCdApagE1bJnZ2dnUU7-QednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69353 |
On 2015.01.30 05:14 , Huge wrote:
> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT
>>> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have
>>> no choice but to concede.
>>
>> That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I
>> work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC
>> laptops
>
> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer
> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere.
https://www.apple.com/ca/remotedesktop/
"First-class upgrades. Installing software or updates to your
network has never been this easy. Take an existing package, either
from Apple or a third party, and simply use the Install Package to
copy and install on your client computers. And it works with custom
install packages as well. Apple Remote Desktop will alert your
system’s users to upgrades and even restart machines remotely."
I don't know how scalable that is, however, the closing statement is:
"No Per-Client Tax Apple Remote Desktop 3 is incredibly
affordable. With the Unlimited Managed Systems edition, you can
manage any number of client computers — there is no per-client
charge."
The real issue for your 300,000 client computers is the cost of changing
software on them. Even if spread out over 3 years, it would be very
costly. Adapting custom s/w would be costly as well not to mention
transition costs.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-30 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj1pgqFj8tpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69357 |
On 2015-01-30, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.01.30 05:14 , Huge wrote:
>> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>>> In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT
>>>> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have
>>>> no choice but to concede.
>>>
>>> That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I
>>> work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC
>>> laptops
>>
>> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer
>> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere.
>
> https://www.apple.com/ca/remotedesktop/
>
> "First-class upgrades. Installing software or updates to your
> network has never been this easy. Take an existing package, either
> from Apple or a third party, and simply use the Install Package to
> copy and install on your client computers. And it works with custom
> install packages as well. Apple Remote Desktop will alert your
> system’s users to upgrades and even restart machines remotely."
>
> I don't know how scalable that is, however,
It isn't. Apple said not to use it for anything more than few dozen
machines & recommended we bought a third party product.
> The real issue for your 300,000 client computers is the cost of changing
> software on them.
No shit. The cost of the XP to W7 "upgrade" we just finished was in the
tens of millions of dollars.
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 30th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 10:37 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <310120151037502985%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69367 |
In article <cj1pgqFj8tpU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > On 2015.01.30 05:14 , Huge wrote: > >> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > >>> In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, > >>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT > >>>> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have > >>>> no choice but to concede. > >>> > >>> That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I > >>> work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC > >>> laptops > >> > >> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer > >> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. > > > > https://www.apple.com/ca/remotedesktop/ > > > > "First-class upgrades. Installing software or updates to your > > network has never been this easy. Take an existing package, either > > from Apple or a third party, and simply use the Install Package to > > copy and install on your client computers. And it works with custom > > install packages as well. Apple Remote Desktop will alert your > > system’Äôs users to upgrades and even restart machines remotely." > > > > I don't know how scalable that is, however, > > It isn't. Apple said not to use it for anything more than few dozen > machines & recommended we bought a third party product. "Apple said" or "Apple reseller said"?? Some of the resellers are rather hopeless, especially those that deal mainly in Windows PCs and have Apple simply as a extra side-line.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-30 15:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj1lo3Fhq52U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69353 |
On 2015-01-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: >> In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT >>> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have >>> no choice but to concede. >> >> That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I >> work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC >> laptops > > We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer > us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. You sound exactly like one of the aforementioned corporate IT Microsoft drones. Careful out there. The shark is circling, and your days are numbered if you can't (or won't) adapt to change. The day you are instructed by upper management to work with Macs will be your final warning. ; ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 12:59 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <310120151259436325%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69353 |
In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT > >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have > >> no choice but to concede. > > > > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I > > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC > > laptops > > We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer > us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin tool come with that. They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are yet.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 00:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj2l4fFqg7iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69378 |
On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge ><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: >> > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT >> >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have >> >> no choice but to concede. >> > >> > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I >> > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC >> > laptops >> >> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer >> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. > > Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin > tool come with that. Server is the admin tool: <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-server/id883878097?mt=12&ign-mpt=uo%3D4> > They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will > reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and > solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are > yet. You mean IBM - not HP: <https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of-IBM-MobileFirst-for-iOS-Apps.html> <http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/> -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 07:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kf6dne4dB8dCUlHJnZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69379 |
On 2015.01.30 19:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge
>> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>>>> In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT
>>>>> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have
>>>>> no choice but to concede.
>>>>
>>>> That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I
>>>> work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC
>>>> laptops
>>>
>>> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer
>>> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere.
>>
>> Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin
>> tool come with that.
>
> Server is the admin tool:
>
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-server/id883878097?mt=12&ign-mpt=uo%3D4>
>
>> They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will
>> reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and
>> solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are
>> yet.
>
> You mean IBM - not HP:
>
> <https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of-IBM-MobileFirst-for-iOS-Apps.html>
>
> <http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/>
I was going to bring that up, but as far as I can tell, Apple are not
very implicated in the apps side of this. That's the more valuable part
in the long term where "corporate" inroads are concerned. Of course it
will bolster iPad/iPhone sales which Apple are not allergic to.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj4716F7f66U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69391 |
On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015.01.30 19:15 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>> They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will >>> reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and >>> solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are >>> yet. >> >> You mean IBM - not HP: >> >> <https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of-IBM-MobileFirst-for-iOS-Apps.html> >> >> <http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/> > > I was going to bring that up, but as far as I can tell, Apple are not > very implicated in the apps side of this. Apple is providing a whole lot of technical and developer support to IBM. It's a joint effort. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 10:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1cidndHSs_GYZ1HJnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69397 |
On 2015.01.31 09:26 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.01.30 19:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will
>>>> reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and
>>>> solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are
>>>> yet.
>>>
>>> You mean IBM - not HP:
>>>
>>> <https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of-IBM-MobileFirst-for-iOS-Apps.html>
>>>
>>> <http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/>
>>
>> I was going to bring that up, but as far as I can tell, Apple are not
>> very implicated in the apps side of this.
>
> Apple is providing a whole lot of technical and developer support to
> IBM. It's a joint effort.
The bit you snipped about not being on the corporate inroads side of
this was the germane part.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 16:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj4cuqF96iqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69399 |
On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015.01.31 09:26 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>> On 2015.01.30 19:15 , Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will >>>>> reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and >>>>> solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are >>>>> yet. >>>> >>>> You mean IBM - not HP: >>>> >>>> <https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of-IBM-MobileFirst-for-iOS-Apps.html> >>>> >>>> <http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/> >>> >>> I was going to bring that up, but as far as I can tell, Apple are not >>> very implicated in the apps side of this. >> >> Apple is providing a whole lot of technical and developer support to >> IBM. It's a joint effort. > > The bit you snipped about not being on the corporate inroads side of > this was the germane part. I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring enterprise-level apps to iOS devices. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 12:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54cd1104$0$44068$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #69402 |
On 15-01-31 11:07, Jolly Roger wrote: > I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are > attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring > enterprise-level apps to iOS devices. I'll rephrase that: IBM wants to keep its corporate customers who are seeing a move to Apple products, so IBM integrates support and apps for idevices into its own ecosystem. Apple, lacking the genes to go into corporate business gets its foot in the door via IBM. But IBM is the bigger winner in this.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj4rsbFddtpU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69408 |
On 2015-01-31, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-01-31 11:07, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are >> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring >> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices. > > I'll rephrase that: IBM wants to keep its corporate customers who are > seeing a move to Apple products, so IBM integrates support and apps for > idevices into its own ecosystem. > > Apple, lacking the genes to go into corporate business gets its foot in > the door via IBM. But IBM is the bigger winner in this. That's your opinion. I'm not so sure who the bigger winner will be just yet. One could argue IBM needs it more than Apple does. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-01-31 18:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0_6dnYLjXrBy91DJnZ2dnUU7-I-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69408 |
On 2015.01.31 12:29 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 15-01-31 11:07, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are
>> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring
>> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices.
>
> I'll rephrase that: IBM wants to keep its corporate customers who are
> seeing a move to Apple products, so IBM integrates support and apps for
> idevices into its own ecosystem.
Fair enough.
>
> Apple, lacking the genes to go into corporate business gets its foot in
> the door via IBM. But IBM is the bigger winner in this.
At least in the short term. OTOH, Apple may just be content providing
the platform.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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