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Big problem with OS X

Started byWilliam Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
Last post2014-01-06 12:12 -0800
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  Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-01 18:41 -0500
      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:48 +0000
        Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-01 21:31 -0500
          Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 19:16 -0800
            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 18:08 +1300
              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:18 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:30 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-02 09:55 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:50 +0000
                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 16:52 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 17:23 +0000
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:54 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-03 13:43 -0600
                              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:36 +0000
                                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-04 19:07 -0500
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X william-wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:29 +0000
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 13:29 +1300
                                    Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-04 17:54 -0800
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 16:32 +1300
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-05 16:09 +1100
                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 19:20 +1300
                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 01:33 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 10:21 +0000
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:08 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:16 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:36 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:44 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 13:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:45 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:42 -0600
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:54 -0800
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 14:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 15:20 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:28 +0000
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:19 +0000
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 08:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-05 16:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:44 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:28 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:13 -0500
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:25 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:39 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:40 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:33 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:17 -0600
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 14:45 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:32 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:48 -0500
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:09 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:06 -0500
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:49 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-05 21:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-16 13:02 -0500
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-16 14:22 -0800
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:38 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 08:26 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 08:19 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 09:22 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 10:26 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:24 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-17 21:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-18 06:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 08:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:12 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:23 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:09 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 02:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 06:37 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:42 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 16:23 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-24 23:37 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 22:52 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 09:01 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 15:50 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 13:08 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:28 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 08:56 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:08 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 10:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:16 +1300
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 20:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:29 +1300
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:35 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:33 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:37 +0000
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-19 15:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:37 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X "William Wright" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 -0800
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:49 +1300
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-25 01:37 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-26 09:41 +1300
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-28 11:43 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-29 09:37 +1300
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 16:37 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 12:52 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 15:57 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:28 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 08:51 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 09:06 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 11:39 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:53 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 09:26 +1300
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:20 +1300
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 11:25 +1300
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 17:54 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:18 +1300
                                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:47 +1300
                                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:20 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-03 09:00 +1300
                                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 15:06 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-02 14:58 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-28 20:40 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:27 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:45 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 21:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 17:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:21 +1300
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 23:14 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 02:20 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-31 01:17 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X The 29th Earl of Grimsby <earl-of-grimsby@jwright20.plus.com> - 2014-01-31 23:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:11 -0500
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 10:11 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:17 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 09:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:31 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 16:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 09:27 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 19:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 11:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:21 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 13:25 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-17 16:46 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 22:47 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:04 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 23:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:16 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 16:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:29 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:00 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 18:18 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:01 -0700
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:24 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:32 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 18:45 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 20:05 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 03:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:27 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 20:29 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:16 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:14 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:35 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 11:29 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:29 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:05 +1300
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 12:52 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:36 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:36 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:58 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-20 18:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:38 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:38 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:20 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:14 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:56 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 17:43 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:00 -0600
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:34 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:32 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-06 12:26 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 16:22 -0500
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 13:09 +1300
                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-04 22:10 -0600
                        Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:43 -0800
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:43 -0600
                          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 19:09 +0000
                            Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:48 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 20:48 +0100
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 12:11 -0800
                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 21:14 +0100
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Imaginary <spamproof@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:46 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:41 -0600
          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:24 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 13:26 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-02 12:27 -0500
              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-03 12:09 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 10:42 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-04 14:17 -0500
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:39 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-04 19:58 -0800
                        Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:15 -0500
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 10:22 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:14 +1300
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-01 17:15 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:36 -0700
      Re: Big problem with OS X Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-02 06:25 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:09 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:08 +0000
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:12 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-01-05 01:00 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:40 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 18:17 -0500
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 07:55 +0000
          Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 04:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:15 -0800
              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 13:59 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 11:45 -0800
                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:20 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-06 20:18 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 12:12 -0800

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#55529

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-28 12:52 -0800
Message-ID<k2eh3r4ynj.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#55527
williamwright.orsk@gmail.com writes:

> On Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:41:34 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> > In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
> > 
> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> > 
> > > > In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
> > 
> > > > William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> > 
> > > > > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> > 
> > > > > >
> > 
> > > > > >
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > > > > 
> > 
> > > > > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> > 
> > > > > fanboys?
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
> > 
> > > > at an email application.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
> > 
> > trying to copy the Mac's OS.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > * Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
> > 
> > couldn't be bothered actually counting them.
> 
> And you use... MAC OS X?!? Oh, you mean the proof Apple could not
> make their own successful system from scratch and had to rely on
> UNIX?

Those who do not study UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

(See Windows 7, etc.)

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#55548

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-29 15:57 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlei974.17p6.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#55529
In message <k2eh3r4ynj.fsf@ethel.the.log> 
  Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> williamwright.orsk@gmail.com writes:

>> On Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:41:34 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
>> > In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
>> > 
>> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
>> > 
>> > > > In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
>> > 
>> > > > William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
>> > 
>> > > > > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
>> > 
>> > > > > >
>> > 
>> > > > > >
>> > 
>> > <snip>
>> > 
>> > > > > 
>> > 
>> > > > > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
>> > 
>> > > > > fanboys?
>> > 
>> > > > 
>> > 
>> > > > That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
>> > 
>> > > > at an email application.
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > > Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
>> > 
>> > trying to copy the Mac's OS.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > * Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
>> > 
>> > couldn't be bothered actually counting them.
>> 
>> And you use... MAC OS X?!? Oh, you mean the proof Apple could not
>> make their own successful system from scratch and had to rely on
>> UNIX?

> Those who do not study UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

OS X: because making UNIX user friendly was easier than fixing Windows.

-- 
LOOSE TEETH DON'T NEED MY HELP Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF16

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#55550

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-29 08:28 -0800
Message-ID<3e97d369-cc4e-4372-a00e-980fce1d1242@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55548
On Wednesday, 29 January 2014 15:57:23 UTC, Lewis  wrote:
> In message <k2eh3r4ynj.fsf@ethel.the.log> 
> 
>   Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > williamwright.orsk@gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >> On Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:41:34 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> 
> >> > In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > >
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > >
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > <snip>
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > > fanboys?
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > > at an email application.
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > trying to copy the Mac's OS.
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > * Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > couldn't be bothered actually counting them.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> And you use... MAC OS X?!? Oh, you mean the proof Apple could not
> 
> >> make their own successful system from scratch and had to rely on
> 
> >> UNIX?
> 
> 
> 
> > Those who do not study UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.
> 
> 
> 
> OS X: because making UNIX user friendly was easier than fixing Windows.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> LOOSE TEETH DON'T NEED MY HELP Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF16

Easier but not better. 

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#55551

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-29 08:51 -0800
Message-ID<afmwie20kg.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#55550
williamwright.orsk@gmail.com writes:

> On Wednesday, 29 January 2014 15:57:23 UTC, Lewis  wrote:
> > In message <k2eh3r4ynj.fsf@ethel.the.log> 
> > 
> >   Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)

> > > Those who do not study UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.
> > 
> > OS X: because making UNIX user friendly was easier than fixing Windows.
> 
> Easier but not better. 

Way better as a matter of fact.

It provides a stable user-friendly desktop experience with decades of
stable unix server software available (often for free) for users who
need that.

It provides a true multitasking environment (again, stable and well
tested), and much better security.

It is true that it disappoints the users who want crashes, viruses,
instability, shutdown under the "Start" menu, and a really ugly UI
stuck with Windows, but those users presumably _want_ Windows.

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#55552

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-29 09:06 -0800
Message-ID<b1256641-7d41-434d-963e-431a54cee17d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55551
On Wednesday, 29 January 2014 16:51:43 UTC, Doug Anderson  wrote:
> williamwright.orsk@gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > On Wednesday, 29 January 2014 15:57:23 UTC, Lewis  wrote:
> 
> > > In message <k2eh3r4ynj.fsf@ethel.the.log> 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > >   Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> (snip)
> 
> 
> 
> > > > Those who do not study UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > OS X: because making UNIX user friendly was easier than fixing Windows.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Easier but not better. 
> 
> 
> 
> Way better as a matter of fact.
> 
> 
> 
> It provides a stable user-friendly desktop experience with decades of
> 
> stable unix server software available (often for free) for users who
> 
> need that.
> 
> 
> 
> It provides a true multitasking environment (again, stable and well
> 
> tested), and much better security.
> 
> 
> 
> It is true that it disappoints the users who want crashes, viruses,
> 
> instability, shutdown under the "Start" menu, and a really ugly UI
> 
> stuck with Windows, but those users presumably _want_ Windows.

Yes but you don't get the point. APPLE COULD NOT MAKE AN OS FROM SCRATCH THAT WORKS!! 

Neither could they base themselves on PowerPC. It is a Joke! 

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#55557

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
Message-ID<290120141436229931%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55552
In article <b1256641-7d41-434d-963e-431a54cee17d@googlegroups.com>,
<williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes but you don't get the point. APPLE COULD NOT MAKE AN OS FROM SCRATCH THAT WORKS!! 

except that they already have several times.

> Neither could they base themselves on PowerPC. It is a Joke! 

the powerpc chip was not a joke.

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#55558

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-29 11:39 -0800
Message-ID<b3ebf6b9-61d4-4aba-8204-775e3a50fe68@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55557
On Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:36:22 UTC, nospam  wrote:
> In article <b1256641-7d41-434d-963e-431a54cee17d@googlegroups.com>,
> 
> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Yes but you don't get the point. APPLE COULD NOT MAKE AN OS FROM SCRATCH THAT WORKS!! 
> 
> 
> 
> except that they already have several times.
> 
> 
> 
> > Neither could they base themselves on PowerPC. It is a Joke! 
> 
> 
> 
> the powerpc chip was not a joke.

Then why did they switch to Intel? The one in all their ads they said was 'inferior' 

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#55559

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-29 14:53 -0500
Message-ID<290120141453351892%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55558
In article <b3ebf6b9-61d4-4aba-8204-775e3a50fe68@googlegroups.com>,
<williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Neither could they base themselves on PowerPC. It is a Joke! 
> > 
> > the powerpc chip was not a joke.
> 
> Then why did they switch to Intel? The one in all their ads they said was 'inferior' 

when powerpc came out, it was definitely better than intel. the problem
is that motorola and ibm weren't advancing powerpc as fast as intel was
advancing their chips. intel caught up.

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#55563

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-30 09:26 +1300
Message-ID<300120140926481558%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55558
In article <b3ebf6b9-61d4-4aba-8204-775e3a50fe68@googlegroups.com>,
<williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:36:22 UTC, nospam  wrote:
> > In article <b1256641-7d41-434d-963e-431a54cee17d@googlegroups.com>,
> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes but you don't get the point. APPLE COULD NOT MAKE AN OS FROM SCRATCH
> > > THAT WORKS!! 
> > 
> > except that they already have several times.
> > 
> > > Neither could they base themselves on PowerPC. It is a Joke! 
> > 
> > the powerpc chip was not a joke.
> 
> Then why did they switch to Intel? The one in all their ads they said was
> 'inferior' 

Mainly to stop know-nothing trolls like you whining on about the
pathetically silly "MHz race".

You do realise that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all used PowerPC for
their game consoles? The reason: it's a better chip design.

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#55564

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-01-29 16:43 -0500
Message-ID<D5qdnefYoeph6HTPnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#55563
On 2014.01.29, 15:26 , Your Name wrote:

 > XXX wrote:
>> Then why did they switch to Intel? The one in all their ads they said was
>> 'inferior'
>
> Mainly to stop know-nothing trolls like you whining on about the
> pathetically silly "MHz race".

You're stating that Apple made one of its most important business 
decisions in their history in order to stop people whining about the MHz 
race?

Really?

(Note that Apple was firmly _in_ the MHz race.
  In 2003 Jobs announced 3 GHz G5 laptops were a comin'.
  Never.  Never.  Never happened 'cause IBM/Motorola couldn't deliver.)

> You do realise that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all used PowerPC for
> their game consoles? The reason: it's a better chip design.

It appears Xbox One (MS) uses AMD actually (8 core) having abandoned PPC.

It appears PS 4 (Sony) uses AMD actually (8 core) having abandoned PPC.

(Source: Wikipedia (I have no interest in game consoles)).

The RISC advantage of PPC and like architectures began disappearing a 
decade or more ago.

In the end, RISC processors were becoming CISCier, and CISC processors 
were becoming RISCier so any advantages held over x86 were moot.  (And 
always were moot since it's what the integrated system delivers that 
counts).

Never mind issues such as the vastly expanded register set of the x86 
over time (not just in width but in special case registers).  Double 
that where HT cores are used...

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55577

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-30 13:20 +1300
Message-ID<300120141320246433%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55564
In article <D5qdnefYoeph6HTPnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.01.29, 15:26 , Your Name wrote:
> > XXX wrote:
> >> Then why did they switch to Intel? The one in all their ads they said was
> >> 'inferior'
> >
> > Mainly to stop know-nothing trolls like you whining on about the
> > pathetically silly "MHz race".
> 
> You're stating that Apple made one of its most important business 
> decisions in their history in order to stop people whining about the MHz 
> race?
> 
> Really?
> 
> (Note that Apple was firmly _in_ the MHz race.
>   In 2003 Jobs announced 3 GHz G5 laptops were a comin'.
>   Never.  Never.  Never happened 'cause IBM/Motorola couldn't deliver.)

I never said it was the only reason.



> > You do realise that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all used PowerPC for
> > their game consoles? The reason: it's a better chip design.
> 
> It appears Xbox One (MS) uses AMD actually (8 core) having abandoned PPC.
> 
> It appears PS 4 (Sony) uses AMD actually (8 core) having abandoned PPC.
> 
> (Source: Wikipedia (I have no interest in game consoles)).

I said "used" ... as in the past models. 

One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
and slow PCs at that.

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#55734

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-01 16:24 -0500
Message-ID<ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#55577
On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:

>
> One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
> to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
> what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
> and slow PCs at that.

Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools, 
validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per 
unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip 
costs.

As to performance - non-starter.  Most of the performance in gaming 
comes from the GPU's not the CPU.

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55736

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-02-02 11:25 +1300
Message-ID<020220141125556602%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55734
In article <ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:
> >
> > One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
> > to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
> > what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
> > and slow PCs at that.
> 
> Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools, 
> validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per 
> unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip 
> costs.

You missed the point, as usual. The switch from PowerPC to "normal PC"
chips means developers can make the same game more easily (relatively)
for the consoles and Windows PCs (and even Macs) than when the consoles
used PowerPC variants.

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#55738

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-01 17:54 -0500
Message-ID<sfSdneqabuGz5nDPnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#55736
On 2014.02.01, 17:25 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
>>> to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
>>> what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
>>> and slow PCs at that.
>>
>> Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools,
>> validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per
>> unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip
>> costs.
>
> You missed the point, as usual.

Not at all.

The heavy lifter (that you snipped out) is the GPU.  Irrelevant to the 
control CPU.

As mentioned elsewhere, the RISC/CISC distinction between x86 and PPC 
has all but evaporated.  They've each become more like the other.

> The switch from PowerPC to "normal PC"
> chips means developers can make the same game more easily (relatively)
> for the consoles and Windows PCs (and even Macs) than when the consoles
> used PowerPC variants.

Hardware yes (as I pointed out above - more commodity parts at lower 
prices).  So the console makers make out.

For gaming apps developers, a decided 'no'.

If you have a development base for a given architecture - you're 
cruising.  So it's a PITA when changing from one architecture to another 
as the tools change and there are always nits in compilers, bits of 
assembler that need to be re-written; debugging tools learned and 
adapted and so on - for the new CPU arch even if your HL code remains 
pretty much unchanged.

The tools used to do s/w under Windows are not the same as those for 
game consoles.  Least of all those that aren't MS based.  And those that 
are MS based don't run over Windows (the latest XBox has 3 OS' in it, 
one of which is a Win8 variant for non-gaming apps (browsing and so on) 
- but not used for gaming; a gaming OS and a virtualizer lies between 
them.  The prior Xbox had nothing at all of Windows OS in it).

So if you have stuff developed for PPC, a switch to x86 is definitely a 
PITA.  The console makers do not ask.  They impose because they will 
reap the h/w cost benefit (covering their own s/w hit in spades).

It's just business.

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55742

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-02-02 12:18 +1300
Message-ID<020220141218331163%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55738
In article <sfSdneqabuGz5nDPnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.02.01, 17:25 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:
> >>>
> >>> One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
> >>> to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
> >>> what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
> >>> and slow PCs at that.
> >>
> >> Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools,
> >> validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per
> >> unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip
> >> costs.
> >
> > You missed the point, as usual.
> 
> Not at all.
> 
> The heavy lifter (that you snipped out) is the GPU.  Irrelevant to the 
> control CPU.
> 
> As mentioned elsewhere, the RISC/CISC distinction between x86 and PPC 
> has all but evaporated.  They've each become more like the other.
> 
> > The switch from PowerPC to "normal PC"
> > chips means developers can make the same game more easily (relatively)
> > for the consoles and Windows PCs (and even Macs) than when the consoles
> > used PowerPC variants.
> 
> Hardware yes (as I pointed out above - more commodity parts at lower 
> prices).  So the console makers make out.
<snip>

WOOSH!!!!   :-\

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#55743

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-01 18:21 -0500
Message-ID<6a6dnXZ8I6X-HHDPnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#55742
On 2014.02.01, 18:18 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <sfSdneqabuGz5nDPnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.02.01, 17:25 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
>>>>> to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
>>>>> what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
>>>>> and slow PCs at that.
>>>>
>>>> Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools,
>>>> validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per
>>>> unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip
>>>> costs.
>>>
>>> You missed the point, as usual.
>>
>> Not at all.
>>
>> The heavy lifter (that you snipped out) is the GPU.  Irrelevant to the
>> control CPU.
>>
>> As mentioned elsewhere, the RISC/CISC distinction between x86 and PPC
>> has all but evaporated.  They've each become more like the other.
>>
>>> The switch from PowerPC to "normal PC"
>>> chips means developers can make the same game more easily (relatively)
>>> for the consoles and Windows PCs (and even Macs) than when the consoles
>>> used PowerPC variants.
>>
>> Hardware yes (as I pointed out above - more commodity parts at lower
>> prices).  So the console makers make out.
> <snip>
>
> WOOSH!!!!   :-\

Since you snip out everything relevant I guess it felt that way to you.


-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55745

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-02-02 12:47 +1300
Message-ID<020220141247426108%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55743
In article <6a6dnXZ8I6X-HHDPnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.02.01, 18:18 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <sfSdneqabuGz5nDPnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014.02.01, 17:25 , Your Name wrote:
> >>> In article <ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>> On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
> >>>>> to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
> >>>>> what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
> >>>>> and slow PCs at that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools,
> >>>> validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per
> >>>> unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip
> >>>> costs.
> >>>
> >>> You missed the point, as usual.
> >>
> >> Not at all.
> >>
> >> The heavy lifter (that you snipped out) is the GPU.  Irrelevant to the
> >> control CPU.
> >>
> >> As mentioned elsewhere, the RISC/CISC distinction between x86 and PPC
> >> has all but evaporated.  They've each become more like the other.
> >>
> >>> The switch from PowerPC to "normal PC"
> >>> chips means developers can make the same game more easily (relatively)
> >>> for the consoles and Windows PCs (and even Macs) than when the consoles
> >>> used PowerPC variants.
> >>
> >> Hardware yes (as I pointed out above - more commodity parts at lower
> >> prices).  So the console makers make out.
> > <snip>
> >
> > WOOSH!!!!   :-\
> 
> Since you snip out everything relevant I guess it felt that way to you.

You missed the point, as usual. I don't have the time nor the
inclination to go around the same circle yet again trying to explain
it. Game over.

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#55761

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-02 09:20 -0500
Message-ID<D9udnWBPXczVyXPPnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#55745
On 2014.02.01, 18:47 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <6a6dnXZ8I6X-HHDPnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.02.01, 18:18 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <sfSdneqabuGz5nDPnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014.02.01, 17:25 , Your Name wrote:
>>>>> In article <ksqdnRqJSfOM-3DPnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014.01.29, 19:20 , Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the main reasions (and agin not the only one) they switched was
>>>>>>> to make it easier for developers, and it wasn't only the main CPU. From
>>>>>>> what I've read the new consoles are basically PCs in a different box,
>>>>>>> and slow PCs at that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Developers didn't want a CPU switch (that means new compilers, tools,
>>>>>> validation).  The only advantage to the console maker is possibly per
>>>>>> unit cost of the processors and likely cheaper commodity peripheral chip
>>>>>> costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You missed the point, as usual.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> The heavy lifter (that you snipped out) is the GPU.  Irrelevant to the
>>>> control CPU.
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned elsewhere, the RISC/CISC distinction between x86 and PPC
>>>> has all but evaporated.  They've each become more like the other.
>>>>
>>>>> The switch from PowerPC to "normal PC"
>>>>> chips means developers can make the same game more easily (relatively)
>>>>> for the consoles and Windows PCs (and even Macs) than when the consoles
>>>>> used PowerPC variants.
>>>>
>>>> Hardware yes (as I pointed out above - more commodity parts at lower
>>>> prices).  So the console makers make out.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> WOOSH!!!!   :-\
>>
>> Since you snip out everything relevant I guess it felt that way to you.
>
> You missed the point, as usual. I don't have the time nor the
> inclination to go around the same circle yet again trying to explain
> it. Game over.

There's nothing to explain since you're talking through your hat.

In this discussion you first snipped out the inconvenient GPU point 
(what gaming is all about) and then the issues of development and change 
of development environment (big issue to 3rd party developers) and of 
course the pesky fact that game consoles do not run Windows (so no 
advantage at all there).  Even the latest Xbox which does have Win8 
amongst its 3 OS' doesn't use that for gaming but for web related activity.

So yes, best you walk off the field.

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55777

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-02-03 09:00 +1300
Message-ID<030220140900161025%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55761
In article <D9udnWBPXczVyXPPnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
<snip>
> 
> There's nothing to explain since you're talking through your hat.

Another moron with reading comprehension issues joins the killfile.  :-\

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#55779

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-02 15:06 -0500
Message-ID<zKOdnboEGs2uOHPPnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#55777
On 2014.02.02, 15:00 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <D9udnWBPXczVyXPPnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> There's nothing to explain since you're talking through your hat.
>
> Another moron with reading comprehension issues joins the killfile.  :-\

Good for me.  You can't defend your argument nor assail mine so you 
petulantly KF me (and yeah, I know you'll back peek, they always do).

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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