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| Started by | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| First post | 2013-10-28 14:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2013-10-29 10:53 +1300 |
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The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 14:08 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 15:53 +0100
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:12 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:34 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-28 16:48 +0100
Re: The Death of 10.8? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-28 16:55 +0100
Re: The Death of 10.8? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 16:24 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-28 17:33 +0100
Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 10:10 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-28 16:14 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:39 +1300
Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:23 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:54 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-28 14:50 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 19:56 +0100
Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-28 15:11 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:24 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-28 18:10 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:49 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-29 05:49 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 10:25 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-29 06:52 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 11:41 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-29 10:29 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 15:38 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:36 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:35 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:33 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:47 -0500
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 15:45 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 14:32 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 09:57 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 07:35 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 15:50 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:58 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 16:03 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:36 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 14:32 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 18:11 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-28 12:19 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 19:59 +0100
Re: The Death of 10.8? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 16:22 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:53 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 21:55 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 22:53 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-28 18:58 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:24 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 19:13 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:32 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:35 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 20:04 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 22:45 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:26 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 18:14 -0700
Re: The Death of 10.8? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:59 -0400
Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:50 +0000
Re: The Death of 10.8? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 10:53 +1300
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 14:08 +0000 |
| Subject | The Death of 10.8? |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6sru3.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
I flippantly said that Apple could drop support for 10.8 now that 10.9 is out for the same hardware at no cost. I wasn't being serious at the time, but after seeing how Apple is pushing Mavericks on the App Store I'm not so sure that they are not planning on dropping 10.8 very soon. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see it show up in Software Update sometime soon, maybe when the first security update comes out. -- Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time.
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| From | Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 15:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <526e7a6e$0$8957$c3e8da3$4e334b76@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #51046 |
On 2013-10-28 14:08:03 +0000, Lewis said: > I flippantly said that Apple could drop support for 10.8 now that 10.9 > is out for the same hardware at no cost. I wasn't being serious at the > time, but after seeing how Apple is pushing Mavericks on the App Store > I'm not so sure that they are not planning on dropping 10.8 very soon. > > Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see it show up in Software Update > sometime soon, maybe when the first security update comes out. The question is "What's wrong with this?". 10.8 has no perks whatsoever(at least I don't see them) in comparison to 10.9. Why would you want to stay on Mountain Lion? I am not talking about _now_. Of course, at the moment 10.9 is still in beta state. But after the 10.9.1 I would expect to have a nice and stable system, with improved Finder, iCloud keychain and other features.
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 15:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6t023.aah.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #51049 |
In article <526e7a6e$0$8957$c3e8da3$4e334b76@news.astraweb.com>, Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> wrote: > > I flippantly said that Apple could drop support for 10.8 now that 10.9 > > is out for the same hardware at no cost. I wasn't being serious at the > > time, but after seeing how Apple is pushing Mavericks on the App Store > > I'm not so sure that they are not planning on dropping 10.8 very soon. > > > > Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see it show up in Software Update > > sometime soon, maybe when the first security update comes out. > > The question is "What's wrong with this?". 10.8 has no perks > whatsoever(at least I don't see them) in comparison to 10.9. Why would > you want to stay on Mountain Lion? I am not talking about _now_. Of > course, at the moment 10.9 is still in beta state. But after the 10.9.1 > I would expect to have a nice and stable system, with improved Finder, > iCloud keychain and other features. "beta state"? Someone is confused about a word definition here... -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l4m05v$qvd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #51052 |
On 2013-10-28 15:12:21 +0000, Sandman said: > "beta state"? Someone is confused about a word definition here... Some people believe that any n.0 release is really a final beta, and that the real product doesn't come until the n.1 release, or maybe the n.0.1 release. -- Michelle -- I'm a year older than I was exactly one year ago.
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| From | android <here@there.was> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 16:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bd7f9jFt5o2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51060 |
In article <l4m05v$qvd$1@dont-email.me>, Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > On 2013-10-28 15:12:21 +0000, Sandman said: > > > "beta state"? Someone is confused about a word definition here... > > Some people believe that any n.0 release is really a final beta, and > that the real product doesn't come until the n.1 release, or maybe the > n.0.1 release. > > -- Michelle I'm waiting for the gamma... ;-) -- teleportation kills
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| From | android <here@there.was> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 16:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bd7fmnFt5o2U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51062 |
In article <bd7f9jFt5o2U1@mid.individual.net>, android <here@there.was> wrote: > In article <l4m05v$qvd$1@dont-email.me>, > Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 15:12:21 +0000, Sandman said: > > > > > "beta state"? Someone is confused about a word definition here... > > > > Some people believe that any n.0 release is really a final beta, and > > that the real product doesn't come until the n.1 release, or maybe the > > n.0.1 release. > > > > -- Michelle > > I'm waiting for the gamma... ;-) Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the proper release alfa.... But it isn't. -- teleportation kills
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 16:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4m341$c3k$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #51065 |
android <here@there.was> wrote: > Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: > If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the > proper release alfa.... But it isn't. I drove an Alfa once. It felt like a beta. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | android <here@there.was> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 17:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bd7hvjFtg67U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51071 |
In article <l4m341$c3k$3@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote: > android <here@there.was> wrote: > > Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: > > If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the > > proper release alfa.... But it isn't. > > I drove an Alfa once. It felt like a beta. A Spider? :-) -- teleportation kills
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 10:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2013102810100947070-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #51071 |
On 2013-10-28 16:24:34 +0000, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) said: > android <here@there.was> wrote: >> Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: >> If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the >> proper release alfa.... But it isn't. > > I drove an Alfa once. It felt like a beta. The Alfa felt like a Lancia? -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 16:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dfritzin-5DB99B.16141328102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #51071 |
In article <l4m341$c3k$3@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote: > android <here@there.was> wrote: > > Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: > > If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the > > proper release alfa.... But it isn't. > > I drove an Alfa once. It felt like a beta. I drove an Alfa Sud for almost 2 years. Great little car. Too bad about the rust...
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 09:39 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <291020130939431502%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #51094 |
In article <dfritzin-5DB99B.16141328102013@news.eternal-september.org>, David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> wrote: > In article <l4m341$c3k$3@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) > wrote: > > > android <here@there.was> wrote: > > > Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: > > > If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the > > > proper release alfa.... But it isn't. > > > > I drove an Alfa once. It felt like a beta. > > I drove an Alfa Sud for almost 2 years. Great little car. Too bad about > the rust... Alfa [Romeo] prodcued lots of models, including the Giulietta ... leading to the Shakespere-written TV advert "Alfa Romero & Giulietta". ;-)
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 14:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2013102814233511622-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #51094 |
On 2013-10-28 20:14:13 +0000, David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> said: > In article <l4m341$c3k$3@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) > wrote: > >> android <here@there.was> wrote: >>> Breaking netiquette and replying to myself;-P: >>> If commonsense ruled the world the alfa should be called gamma and the >>> proper release alfa.... But it isn't. >> >> I drove an Alfa once. It felt like a beta. > > I drove an Alfa Sud for almost 2 years. Great little car. Too bad about > the rust... The Alfa Sud was a great handling (& sounding) car, and you are correct, it was ruined by the poor quality of steel used in the body panels. Two years was the outside limit before the rust cancer hit it. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6t2hd.aeg.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #51060 |
In article <l4m05v$qvd$1@dont-email.me>, Michelle Steiner <email@michelle> wrote:
> > "beta state"? Someone is confused about a word definition here...
>
> Some people believe that any n.0 release is really a final beta, and
> that the real product doesn't come until the n.1 release, or maybe the
> n.0.1 release.
What people "believe" is of no importance here. The author of the software
gets to decide whether or not is a beta version or not. The user of the
software does not get to decide that.
Some software developers may prematurely call something the final version
and not beta, and the users may feel that the final version is of expected
"beta-quality", but that doesn't make it a beta.
As for OSX, pre-release versions are called "developer preview" ("DP"), and
the final version is called "golden master" or "GM". So you would generally
see "Mac OS X 10.9 DP3" for the third developer release, or the version
number "Mac OS X 10.9 13A598". Sometimes there is a golden master released
to developers and another golden master release publically. The public
release is the final version.
Here are the versions of Mavericks that has been released:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Mavericks#Releases
As you can see, there are five build seperating the GM from the GM2.
--
Sandman[.net]
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 14:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-1F4D98.14501928102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #51064 |
In article <slrnl6t2hd.aeg.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > Some software developers may prematurely call something the final version > and not beta, and the users may feel that the final version is of expected > "beta-quality", but that doesn't make it a beta. I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone picked up on it. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 19:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <526eb37a$0$51827$c3e8da3$efbdef2c@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #51085 |
On 2013-10-28 18:50:19 +0000, Barry Margolin said: > In article <slrnl6t2hd.aeg.mr@irc.sandman.net>, > Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > >> Some software developers may prematurely call something the final version >> and not beta, and the users may feel that the final version is of expected >> "beta-quality", but that doesn't make it a beta. > > I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he > meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone picked > up on it. Every 10.X.0 feels like beta.
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 15:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-28D991.15113528102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #51086 |
In article <526eb37a$0$51827$c3e8da3$efbdef2c@news.astraweb.com>, Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2013-10-28 18:50:19 +0000, Barry Margolin said: > > > In article <slrnl6t2hd.aeg.mr@irc.sandman.net>, > > Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > > > >> Some software developers may prematurely call something the final version > >> and not beta, and the users may feel that the final version is of expected > >> "beta-quality", but that doesn't make it a beta. > > > > I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he > > meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone picked > > up on it. > > Every 10.X.0 feels like beta. That was the poster's point. More to the point, the software industry in general seems to push products out with less testing than they perhaps should, so that all new products seem like a beta. They use the ease of sending out updates as the excuse. As a result, the prerelease testing that they call "beta" is often more like "alpha". -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 21:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6tlrd.b0i.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #51085 |
In article <barmar-1F4D98.14501928102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > Some software developers may prematurely call something the final version > > and not beta, and the users may feel that the final version is of expected > > "beta-quality", but that doesn't make it a beta. > > I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he > meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone picked > up on it. Right, but the poster hadn't used the software in question when making the claim, meaning that it was not in reference to what he considered to be "beta quality" since he couldn't know. It was a pre-concieved notion and misdirected as such. -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 18:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-58776C.18105228102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #51111 |
In article <slrnl6tlrd.b0i.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > In article <barmar-1F4D98.14501928102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry > Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > Some software developers may prematurely call something the final version > > > and not beta, and the users may feel that the final version is of > > > expected > > > "beta-quality", but that doesn't make it a beta. > > > > I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he > > meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone picked > > up on it. > > Right, but the poster hadn't used the software in question when making the > claim, meaning that it was not in reference to what he considered to be > "beta quality" since he couldn't know. It was a pre-concieved notion and > misdirected as such. Seems like he was just basing it on history: 10.x.0 is practically always effectively a beta. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 07:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6uqf2.d0e.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #51119 |
In article <barmar-58776C.18105228102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he > > > meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone picked > > > up on it. > > > > Right, but the poster hadn't used the software in question when making the > > claim, meaning that it was not in reference to what he considered to be > > "beta quality" since he couldn't know. It was a pre-concieved notion and > > misdirected as such. > > Seems like he was just basing it on history: 10.x.0 is practically > always effectively a beta. But isn't beta. And I personally disagree with that. Never had any problems with any 10.x.0 release. At least none that would make me consider it "beta". -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 05:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-DFEBF4.05492829102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #51163 |
In article <slrnl6uqf2.d0e.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > In article <barmar-58776C.18105228102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry > Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > > I think the poster expected readers to understand that this is what he > > > > meant, even though he left it implicit. Apparently, not everyone > > > > picked > > > > up on it. > > > > > > Right, but the poster hadn't used the software in question when making > > > the > > > claim, meaning that it was not in reference to what he considered to be > > > "beta quality" since he couldn't know. It was a pre-concieved notion and > > > misdirected as such. > > > > Seems like he was just basing it on history: 10.x.0 is practically > > always effectively a beta. > > But isn't beta. And I personally disagree with that. Never had any problems > with any 10.x.0 release. At least none that would make me consider it > "beta". There's almost always a software update within a month or so of the release. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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