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  Free Mavericks upgrade! M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-24 19:57 -0400
    Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-24 17:23 -0700
      Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-24 21:27 -0400
        Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 21:30 -0400
          Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-24 21:32 -0400
        Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-24 18:31 -0700
          Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-24 22:42 -0400
            Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-25 19:48 +1300
              Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-25 07:52 -0700
                Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-25 09:56 -0500
                  Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-25 09:53 -0700
                  Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:55 -0400
                    Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-25 16:13 -0500
                      Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 17:56 -0400
                        Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-25 18:34 -0400
                          Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 19:14 -0400
                            Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 13:16 +1300
                          Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 13:16 +1300
                          Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> - 2013-10-25 18:36 -0700
                            Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 17:03 +1300
                              Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 14:14 +0000
                                Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 09:13 +1300
                                  Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 09:50 +1300
                                    Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-26 17:22 -0500
                                      Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 13:55 +1300
                                        Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 14:46 +1300
                                  Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 21:21 +0000
                                    Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 13:55 +1300
                          Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-10-25 23:35 -0700
                  Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 13:16 +1300
              Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2013-10-25 15:35 +0000
    Re: Free Mavericks upgrade! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 13:26 +1300

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#50756

In message <1lbcxn7.d4beb15q31maN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
  Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:

>> In article <526af1ae$0$1899$cc2e38e6@news.uslec.net>,
>>  M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
>> 
>> > Dammit, I'm trying to get used to another newsreader and I don't like
>> > any of them except MT-NW. Of course I've been using it for almost 20
>> > years so it's a hard habit to break. But I have also never not adopted
>> > a MacOS upgrade.
>> 
>> I guess I can consider myself very lucky. I run my weather station on a
>> G4 Mac mini, and I Screen Share over there to run MT-NewsWatcher. That
>> kind of connection is plenty fast enough for Usenet.
>> 
>> I've been doing it that way since NT-NewsWatcher became so problematic
>> under Mountain Lion.

> That's a great solution, and so easily done, if a bit of an energy
> waster :-)

> You could also run older versions of OS X in virtualisation - VirtualBox
> apparently is the go-to virtualisation for this. Note I've never tried
> to virtualise unsupported versions of OS X personally. But I'm told it's
> not too difficult with VirtualBox.

Does it do System 7 so I can play Lode Runner? Or 7.x something so I
can play Prince of Persia II?

-- 
'You don't think you've had enough, do you?' he said.  I KNOW WHEN I'VE
HAD ENOUGH.  'Everyone says that, though.  I KNOW WHEN EVERYONE'S HAD
ENOUGH. --Moving Pictures

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#50796

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1lbcxn7.d4beb15q31maN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
>   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
> 
> >> In article <526af1ae$0$1899$cc2e38e6@news.uslec.net>,
> >>  M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Dammit, I'm trying to get used to another newsreader and I don't like
> >> > any of them except MT-NW. Of course I've been using it for almost 20
> >> > years so it's a hard habit to break. But I have also never not adopted
> >> > a MacOS upgrade.
> >> 
> >> I guess I can consider myself very lucky. I run my weather station on a
> >> G4 Mac mini, and I Screen Share over there to run MT-NewsWatcher. That
> >> kind of connection is plenty fast enough for Usenet.
> >> 
> >> I've been doing it that way since NT-NewsWatcher became so problematic
> >> under Mountain Lion.
> 
> > That's a great solution, and so easily done, if a bit of an energy
> > waster :-)
> 
> > You could also run older versions of OS X in virtualisation - VirtualBox
> > apparently is the go-to virtualisation for this. Note I've never tried
> > to virtualise unsupported versions of OS X personally. But I'm told it's
> > not too difficult with VirtualBox.
> 
> Does it do System 7 so I can play Lode Runner? Or 7.x something so I
> can play Prince of Persia II?

No, VirtualBox, VMWare Fusion, and Parallels all virtualise x86
environments.

While the poorly supported Mini vMac is fairly decent (emulates a Mac
Plus with 9" B&W screen, that will run System 6 well IME), other 68k and
PPC Mac emulation is generally crap and has been for over a decade, with
appallingly little progress made.

If you want to play old games I suggest finding the titles for other
platforms and running them in emulation. Emulated DOS, Apple II, C64,
Amiga, Atari 800, NES, SNES and many, many other platforms are all light
years ahead of Mac 68k and PPC emulation.

I'm a couple hundred old DOS games running great in DOSBox here. DOSBox
is truly wonderful software, and with a loader like Boxer
<http://boxerapp.com/> (contains it's own copy of DOSBox, so you'll only
need Boxer) it's almost entirely a GUI experience :-)

Though I've a bunch of old systems and consoles emulated, DOSBox takes
care of 90% of my classic non-console gaming needs, as virtually every
personal computer game of that era was ported to the PC at some stage.

Still, nothing beats running the original Apple II Lode Runner, eh?
Virtual ][ is currently top of the heap in Mac Apple II emulators.
Though I still like Catakig a lot (cause I used it throughout my classic
Mac years).

Regards,
 Jamie Kahn Genet
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50800

In article <1lbe5ty.1fu3sva19su04qN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <1lbcxn7.d4beb15q31maN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
> >   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> In article <526af1ae$0$1899$cc2e38e6@news.uslec.net>,
> > >>  M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> > Dammit, I'm trying to get used to another newsreader and I don't like
> > >> > any of them except MT-NW. Of course I've been using it for almost 20
> > >> > years so it's a hard habit to break. But I have also never not adopted
> > >> > a MacOS upgrade.
> > >> 
> > >> I guess I can consider myself very lucky. I run my weather station on a
> > >> G4 Mac mini, and I Screen Share over there to run MT-NewsWatcher. That
> > >> kind of connection is plenty fast enough for Usenet.
> > >> 
> > >> I've been doing it that way since NT-NewsWatcher became so problematic
> > >> under Mountain Lion.
> > 
> > > That's a great solution, and so easily done, if a bit of an energy
> > > waster :-)
> > 
> > > You could also run older versions of OS X in virtualisation - VirtualBox
> > > apparently is the go-to virtualisation for this. Note I've never tried
> > > to virtualise unsupported versions of OS X personally. But I'm told it's
> > > not too difficult with VirtualBox.
> > 
> > Does it do System 7 so I can play Lode Runner? Or 7.x something so I
> > can play Prince of Persia II?
> 
> No, VirtualBox, VMWare Fusion, and Parallels all virtualise x86
> environments.
> 
> While the poorly supported Mini vMac is fairly decent (emulates a Mac
> Plus with 9" B&W screen, that will run System 6 well IME), other 68k and
> PPC Mac emulation is generally crap and has been for over a decade, with
> appallingly little progress made.

I haven't tried it, but SheepShaver looked promising at one stage and
could emulate PowerPC Macs.




> If you want to play old games I suggest finding the titles for other
> platforms and running them in emulation. Emulated DOS, Apple II, C64,
> Amiga, Atari 800, NES, SNES and many, many other platforms are all light
> years ahead of Mac 68k and PPC emulation.
> 
> I'm a couple hundred old DOS games running great in DOSBox here. DOSBox
> is truly wonderful software, and with a loader like Boxer
> <http://boxerapp.com/> (contains it's own copy of DOSBox, so you'll only
> need Boxer) it's almost entirely a GUI experience :-)
> 
> Though I've a bunch of old systems and consoles emulated, DOSBox takes
> care of 90% of my classic non-console gaming needs, as virtually every
> personal computer game of that era was ported to the PC at some stage.
> 
> Still, nothing beats running the original Apple II Lode Runner, eh?
> Virtual ][ is currently top of the heap in Mac Apple II emulators.
> Though I still like Catakig a lot (cause I used it throughout my classic
> Mac years).

Yep, Lode Runner, the proper Castle Wolfenstein, etc. The good ol' days
when games were varied and actually playable ... unlike today's pile of
almost solely third-person shooter rubbish using 3D graphics (which
make me motion-sick after only a few minutes).  :-(

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#50810

On 10/26/13, 3:50 PM, Your Name wrote:
> I haven't tried it, but SheepShaver looked promising at one stage and
> could emulate PowerPC Macs.
>

I haven't used it much, but it works fine.  Supports up to OS 9.0.4, I 
believe.    Look up "emaculation forum", although the WordPerfectMac 
group is also fairly active with supporting plug-and-play packages of 
SheepShaver aimed at continuing to keep WordPerfect a going program, but 
once you have SheepShaver configured and running you can of course run 
almost any OS 9 (or older) PPC apps.

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#50839

Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> wrote:

> On 10/26/13, 3:50 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > I haven't tried it, but SheepShaver looked promising at one stage and
> > could emulate PowerPC Macs.
> >
> 
> I haven't used it much, but it works fine.  Supports up to OS 9.0.4, I
> believe.    Look up "emaculation forum", although the WordPerfectMac 
> group is also fairly active with supporting plug-and-play packages of
> SheepShaver aimed at continuing to keep WordPerfect a going program, but
> once you have SheepShaver configured and running you can of course run
> almost any OS 9 (or older) PPC apps.

SheepShaver ran well enough for WordPerfect IME. But it fell apart
trying to run games like Ambrosia's old titles, e.g. Handsome Harry and
Escape Velocity. I'm told some people got games working well enough, but
I never could. All in all it was a hugely disappointing experience for
me. One I've repeated every few years (when the desire to run old Mac
only games becomes too strong to withstand) with only failure as the
result.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50853

In article <1lbei60.1be6ze41rsd3dfN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> wrote:
> > On 10/26/13, 3:50 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > > 
> > > I haven't tried it, but SheepShaver looked promising at one stage and
> > > could emulate PowerPC Macs.
> > 
> > I haven't used it much, but it works fine.  Supports up to OS 9.0.4, I
> > believe.    Look up "emaculation forum", although the WordPerfectMac 
> > group is also fairly active with supporting plug-and-play packages of
> > SheepShaver aimed at continuing to keep WordPerfect a going program, but
> > once you have SheepShaver configured and running you can of course run
> > almost any OS 9 (or older) PPC apps.
> 
> SheepShaver ran well enough for WordPerfect IME. But it fell apart
> trying to run games like Ambrosia's old titles, e.g. Handsome Harry and
> Escape Velocity. I'm told some people got games working well enough, but
> I never could. All in all it was a hugely disappointing experience for
> me. One I've repeated every few years (when the desire to run old Mac
> only games becomes too strong to withstand) with only failure as the
> result.

Esacpe Velocity Nova is a universal binary for Mac OS X (up to at least
10.3.9), but that doesn't necessarily mean it will still work under the
newest versions of the OS of course.

I don't know what versions of the Mac and Mac OS X it runs on, but
there's also the clone of the old Elite game called "Oolite"
<http://www.oolite.org/>

Plus there's Elite 4 campaign running on KickStarter on by the original
Elite programmer David Braben
<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/posts>

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#50805

In message <1lbe5ty.1fu3sva19su04qN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
  Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> If you want to play old games I suggest finding the titles for other
> platforms and running them in emulation. Emulated DOS, Apple II, C64,
> Amiga, Atari 800, NES, SNES and many, many other platforms are all light
> years ahead of Mac 68k and PPC emulation.

I usually pull out the old SE and plug it in for a few hours of Lode
Runner goodness once or twice a decade.

> I'm a couple hundred old DOS games running great in DOSBox here. DOSBox
> is truly wonderful software, and with a loader like Boxer
> <http://boxerapp.com/> (contains it's own copy of DOSBox, so you'll only
> need Boxer) it's almost entirely a GUI experience :-)

Lode Runner was never quite right on any other platform but the Mac/A2.
Prince of Persia II was only right on the Mac and the //gs, IIRC. The
timing routines on Lode Runner were so tight on some levels that playing
on a different system would either be impossible or would require
relearning the whole level.

When they "redid" LodeRunner they fucked up the timing so badly that
almost none of the original levels were playable, including the very
first level you had to get by in Championship (it simply was not
possible to complete the first level).

> Though I've a bunch of old systems and consoles emulated, DOSBox takes
> care of 90% of my classic non-console gaming needs, as virtually every
> personal computer game of that era was ported to the PC at some stage.

Yeah, I have a lot of stuff in DosBox, which I never play. :/

> Still, nothing beats running the original Apple II Lode Runner, eh?
> Virtual ][ is currently top of the heap in Mac Apple II emulators.
> Though I still like Catakig a lot (cause I used it throughout my classic
> Mac years).

Hmm, I really haven't looked at A2 emulators. The biggest issue anymore
is that the displays are soooo much larger in pixel density that a full
sized lode runner game is about 5" across :)

-- 
Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids
built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper to
build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow one, there
were generally plenty of ancient ones around --Lords and Ladies

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#50840

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1lbe5ty.1fu3sva19su04qN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
>   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
[snip]
> > Still, nothing beats running the original Apple II Lode Runner, eh?
> > Virtual ][ is currently top of the heap in Mac Apple II emulators.
> > Though I still like Catakig a lot (cause I used it throughout my classic
> > Mac years).
> 
> Hmm, I really haven't looked at A2 emulators. The biggest issue anymore
> is that the displays are soooo much larger in pixel density that a full
> sized lode runner game is about 5" across :)

Yeah, I run many older games in a window, either at original resolution
or usually a factor of the original. Playing titles like Lemmings,
Crystal Caves or Choplifter at fullscreen on a 24" screen is just
painful, heh :-)
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50740

In article <526af1ae$0$1899$cc2e38e6@news.uslec.net>,
 M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> Dammit, I'm trying to get used to another newsreader and I don't like 
> any of them except MT-NW. Of course I've been using it for almost 20 
> years so it's a hard habit to break. But I have also never not adopted 
> a MacOS upgrade.

I feel your pain. I'm in the same boat. I figured I'd fire up slrn 
tonight and get it cooking again before upgrading. I got a "bad CPU type 
in executable" error. It appears that the last time I "had it cooking" 
was in 2005. Mutt and tin fail as well with the same error. 
So I downloaded slrn and compiled it, but it puked. It needed the slang 
library. So I did that first and got everything up and running again. 
Now, it turns out I have forgotten everything I ever knew about slrn, so 
I have to relearn simple commands.
Doing all this stuff for the first time over fifteen years ago was fun 
on DR3 MkLinux. I'm dumber now and it's less fun, but I'll "get 'er 
done". Then I'll upgrade to Mavericks. 

leo

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#50724

Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-25 14:52:31 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
> > In article <251020131948490104%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> >  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article
> >> <nospam.m-m-2353C0.22422124102013@cpe-76-190-186-198.neo.res.rr.com>,
> >> M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In article <jollyroger-75BD71.18312324102013@news.individual.net>,
> >>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> You don't really pay much attention to ongoing threads here, do you?
> >>> 
> >>> I guess I fell behind. Usenet isn't what it used to be for sure.
> >> 
> >> Yep. It used to be quite a good place to get information and help.  :-(
> >> 
> >> These days, to misquote Star War's Obi-Wan Kenobi:
> >> 
> >> "Usenet newsgroups. You will never find a more
> >> wretched hive of argumentative dimbulbs and
> >> pedantic morons. We must be cautious."
> >> 
> >> Almost all the newsgroups are over-run with juvenille 13 year old
> >> (either physically and mentally) idiots, spammers, scam artists, and
> >> lazy webstore owners.
> >> 
> >> Either leaving or the killfile / filter on a good newsreader
> >> application will be the only way to keep your sanity intact.
> > 
> > Filters are a must!
> 
> For you possibly, I hardly ever use them.

You must enjoy trolls :-) Me - I like to stamp on 'em occasionally, but
it gets old real fast.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50674

In article <251020131948490104%YourName@YourISP.com>,
Your Name  <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>In article
><nospam.m-m-2353C0.22422124102013@cpe-76-190-186-198.neo.res.rr.com>,
>M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
>
>> In article <jollyroger-75BD71.18312324102013@news.individual.net>,
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > You don't really pay much attention to ongoing threads here, do you?
>> 
>> I guess I fell behind. Usenet isn't what it used to be for sure.
>
>Yep. It used to be quite a good place to get information and help.  :-(
>
>These days, to misquote Star War's Obi-Wan Kenobi:
>
>   "Usenet newsgroups. You will never find a more 
>    wretched hive of argumentative dimbulbs and 
>    pedantic morons. We must be cautious."
>
>Almost all the newsgroups are over-run with juvenille 13 year old
>(either physically and mentally) idiots, spammers, scam artists, and
>lazy webstore owners.
>
>Either leaving or the killfile / filter on a good newsreader
>application will be the only way to keep your sanity intact.

Watch how you use your paint brush!
-- 
Member - Liberal International	This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! 
http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k  Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
23 Nov 2013 a Big day indeed

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#50612

M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> Software update says to upgrade to Mavericks for free. Over 5 GB 
> download!

You don't say? :-)
-- 
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