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  The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 08:43 -0400
    Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-09-26 13:14 +0000
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 16:43 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-27 09:24 +1200
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-09-27 09:49 +1200
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:56 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-26 19:02 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 20:20 -0400
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-26 21:52 -0400
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 07:43 -0400
    Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-26 13:53 +0000
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-09-26 08:23 -0700
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 16:55 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 17:08 -0400
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:26 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-27 09:32 +1200
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:55 -0400
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-09-26 16:08 -0700
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 20:22 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-09-26 15:54 -0700
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-26 19:23 -0400
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 19:29 -0400
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-27 19:08 +1200
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-27 03:41 -0400
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-09-27 07:44 -0700
                Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-28 09:37 +1200
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 16:51 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 17:08 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:25 -0400
    Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 10:28 -0400
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 16:52 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 17:08 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:25 -0400
    Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-26 15:51 -0400
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 15:59 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-26 16:08 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 16:16 -0400
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-09-26 13:19 -0700
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-27 09:28 +1200
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-09-26 15:47 -0700
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:22 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-09-27 11:01 +1200
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 20:19 -0400
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-26 22:09 -0400
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-09-27 16:31 +1200
                Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-27 00:54 -0400
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-09-29 20:33 +0200
            Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-09-27 14:42 +1200
              Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-09-29 21:02 +0200
                Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 01:51 -0400
                  Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:22 +1200
                  Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-01 12:45 +1300
    Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question billy@MIX.COM - 2013-09-26 22:51 +0000
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 18:55 -0400
        Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-09-29 17:02 +0200
          Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 17:44 -0400
    Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2013-09-27 08:33 +0200
      Re: The usual dumbass Migration Assistant Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 07:45 -0400

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#49073

When Adbobe announced its "cloud" buzzword-driven software subscription
offering, it was said that it would "soon" stop selling licences for
CS6. And when I called, the agent said that while no date had been set
for stop-sales, that it was expected to become end-of-sale soon.

But... looking at the Adobe web site I see this now:

##
While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for
purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or
other CS products.
##

So it looks likle they got enough complaints to keep the licensed
software up for sale along with subscription versions. My guess is that
within a year, they'll probably review their "no more upgerades"
decision once they realise how much that decision has hurt their revenues.

BTW, when I login to my Adobe account, while it shows the list of Adobe
products I have purchased over the years, (including Page Maker version
1 serial number that had been needed to upgrade from Page Maker to
InDesign), it does not show how many machines the software was activated on.

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#49074

In article <5244c1d5$0$34966$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> So it looks likle they got enough complaints to keep the licensed
> software up for sale along with subscription versions. My guess is that
> within a year, they'll probably review their "no more upgerades"
> decision once they realise how much that decision has hurt their revenues.

their revenue is not hurting and they aren't going to upgrade cs6.

they may tweak the plan options, such as price, but that's about it.

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#49090

In article <5244c1d5$0$34966$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> When Adbobe announced its "cloud" buzzword-driven software subscription
> offering, it was said that it would "soon" stop selling licences for
> CS6. And when I called, the agent said that while no date had been set
> for stop-sales, that it was expected to become end-of-sale soon.
> 
> But... looking at the Adobe web site I see this now:
> 
> ##
> While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for
> purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or
> other CS products.
> ##
> 
> So it looks likle they got enough complaints to keep the licensed
> software up for sale along with subscription versions. 

More likely it's simply a case of supporting the boxes still sitting on
reseller shelves.

Technically Adobe had stopped selling it, but I got a boxed copy of
InDesign 2 PageMaker Upgrade extremely cheaply via an auction house
selling off old boxes for a reseller (possibly even the Adobe New
Zealand distributor at that time).



> My guess is that within a year, they'll probably review their "no
> more upgerades" decision once they realise how much that decision
> has hurt their revenues.

If the subscription system fails (which is unlikely unfortunately),
they'll simply start selling boxed copies of whatever the latest
version is at the time, along with the usual upgrade deal from the most 
recent version(s).



> BTW, when I login to my Adobe account, while it shows the list of Adobe
> products I have purchased over the years, (including Page Maker version
> 1 serial number that had been needed to upgrade from Page Maker to
> InDesign), it does not show how many machines the software was activated on.

You upgraded from PageMerk *1* to InDesign?!? I would have thought the
upgrade cut-off was Pagemker 7 or maybe strecth to 6, but all the way
back to version 1 seems  extremely generous, especially for Adobe.

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#49091

On 13-09-27 03:08, Your Name wrote:

> You upgraded from PageMerk *1* to InDesign?!?

Page marker preserved the serial number from the first version you
bought. So despite having had the last version of Page Maker, my serial
number dated back to when Page Maker was on 1 diskette. The serial
number would not validate on the software, but Adobe did have it on file
and they had a "trick" to validate the number.

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#49092

On 2013-09-27 00:08:35 -0700, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:

> In article <5244c1d5$0$34966$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> When Adbobe announced its "cloud" buzzword-driven software subscription
>> offering, it was said that it would "soon" stop selling licences for
>> CS6. And when I called, the agent said that while no date had been set
>> for stop-sales, that it was expected to become end-of-sale soon.
>> 
>> But... looking at the Adobe web site I see this now:
>> 
>> ##
>> While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for
>> purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or
>> other CS products.
>> ##
>> 
>> So it looks likle they got enough complaints to keep the licensed
>> software up for sale along with subscription versions.
> 
> More likely it's simply a case of supporting the boxes still sitting on
> reseller shelves.
> 
> Technically Adobe had stopped selling it, but I got a boxed copy of
> InDesign 2 PageMaker Upgrade extremely cheaply via an auction house
> selling off old boxes for a reseller (possibly even the Adobe New
> Zealand distributor at that time).

"Adobe New Zealand"?? I don't believe there is an Adobe New Zealand. I 
thought that it was Adobe Australia that was gouging most of the 
Southern Hemisphere & SE-Asia by bumping the USA price to its customers.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#49095

In article <2013092707443742612-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-09-27 00:08:35 -0700, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> > In article <5244c1d5$0$34966$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >> When Adbobe announced its "cloud" buzzword-driven software subscription
> >> offering, it was said that it would "soon" stop selling licences for
> >> CS6. And when I called, the agent said that while no date had been set
> >> for stop-sales, that it was expected to become end-of-sale soon.
> >> 
> >> But... looking at the Adobe web site I see this now:
> >> 
> >> ##
> >> While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for
> >> purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or
> >> other CS products.
> >> ##
> >> 
> >> So it looks likle they got enough complaints to keep the licensed
> >> software up for sale along with subscription versions.
> > 
> > More likely it's simply a case of supporting the boxes still sitting on
> > reseller shelves.
> > 
> > Technically Adobe had stopped selling it, but I got a boxed copy of
> > InDesign 2 PageMaker Upgrade extremely cheaply via an auction house
> > selling off old boxes for a reseller (possibly even the Adobe New
> > Zealand distributor at that time).
> 
> "Adobe New Zealand"?? I don't believe there is an Adobe New Zealand. I 
> thought that it was Adobe Australia that was gouging most of the 
> Southern Hemisphere & SE-Asia by bumping the USA price to its customers.

Adobe products were (still are?) distributed in New Zealand by
Rennaissance, who were also the only official Apple distributor, but
both of those contracts changed a while back now.

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#49043

On 2013.09.26 09:53 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <PdCdnf7sI9icsdnPnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> New iMac should be here tomorrow.  Probably won't have time to do much
>> with it until next week.
>
>> My plan is to migrate-assist only apps and transfer user data in the BG
>> when up and running.
>
> That is not a good idea. If you don't want to copy all the user
> settings, then I would setup the new machine without any migration
> assistant use, copy the apps from the old machine, and start over.

It's not the user settings I worry about - it's not having a computer to 
use while the greater part of the data transfer (over 0.5 TB) is taking 
place.  A rough estimate of that is 1.6 - 2.0 hours based on ethernet 
speed of 800 Mb/s and disk write speeds for the 2012 iMac reported as 
107 MB/s (pretty well matched).  Even if I get higher ethernet speeds 
the disk won't be able to swallow much more.

I'll be reviewing all the user settings, and using Onyx and/or terminal 
to set those that don't have a GUI setting.  (Such as being able to see 
~/Library, turning off some OS X options that are irritating and so on).

>> - What happens to licensed s/w such as Photoshop?  Do I have to
>> de-authorize on the source and authorize on target?
>
> Knowing Adobe, this will be 1) a huge pain in the ass 2) will fuck up no
> matter what you do 3) will involve hours on the phone with Adobe.

At worst I'd reinstall PS from the DMG and do the one update that is 
needed for Bridge/DNG converter to load photos from media without hanging.

> You're ONLY hope for it working is to do a full migration assistant
> install, but I have no confidence Adobe will have gone to great lengths
> to ensure that doesn't work.

I'm not quite as pessimistic where Adobe is concerned but I do get where 
you're coming from.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49047

In article <tYednbrHjNDxA9nPnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> It's not the user settings I worry about - it's not having a computer to 
> use while the greater part of the data transfer (over 0.5 TB) is taking 
> place.  A rough estimate of that is 1.6 - 2.0 hours based on ethernet 
> speed of 800 Mb/s and disk write speeds for the 2012 iMac reported as 
> 107 MB/s (pretty well matched).  Even if I get higher ethernet speeds 
> the disk won't be able to swallow much more.

let it run overnight. 

when you wake up it will be ready to go.

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#49053

On 2013.09.26 17:08 , nospam wrote:
> In article <tYednbrHjNDxA9nPnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> It's not the user settings I worry about - it's not having a computer to
>> use while the greater part of the data transfer (over 0.5 TB) is taking
>> place.  A rough estimate of that is 1.6 - 2.0 hours based on ethernet
>> speed of 800 Mb/s and disk write speeds for the 2012 iMac reported as
>> 107 MB/s (pretty well matched).  Even if I get higher ethernet speeds
>> the disk won't be able to swallow much more.
>
> let it run overnight.
>
> when you wake up it will be ready to go.
>
That's no fun.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49034

In article <PdCdnf7sI9icsdnPnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> New iMac should be here tomorrow.  Probably won't have time to do much 
> with it until next week.
> 
> My plan is to migrate-assist only apps and transfer user data in the BG 
> when up and running.  That's the huge bulk of the machine in any case 
> and there is cruft I'd probably leave behind.  That would get me my apps 
> quickly while leaving user data for a more leisurely transfer via the 
> ethernet network (and available if needed via same) while I fool around, 
> er, carefully explore the new machine.  Comments?

migrate during initial setup. otherwise you're asking for problems.
delete whatever you don't want afterwards.

> - What happens to licensed s/w such as Photoshop?  Do I have to 
> de-authorize on the source and authorize on target?

deauthorize on the old mac, migrate, reauthorize on the new mac.

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#49044

On 2013.09.26 10:28 , nospam wrote:
> In article <PdCdnf7sI9icsdnPnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> New iMac should be here tomorrow.  Probably won't have time to do much
>> with it until next week.
>>
>> My plan is to migrate-assist only apps and transfer user data in the BG
>> when up and running.  That's the huge bulk of the machine in any case
>> and there is cruft I'd probably leave behind.  That would get me my apps
>> quickly while leaving user data for a more leisurely transfer via the
>> ethernet network (and available if needed via same) while I fool around,
>> er, carefully explore the new machine.  Comments?
>
> migrate during initial setup. otherwise you're asking for problems.
> delete whatever you don't want afterwards.

Stinks as a strategy.  "What" problems specifically?


>
>> - What happens to licensed s/w such as Photoshop?  Do I have to
>> de-authorize on the source and authorize on target?
>
> deauthorize on the old mac, migrate, reauthorize on the new mac.

OK - as I thought.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49048

In article <tYednbXHjNAbA9nPnZ2dnUVZ_ucAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> > migrate during initial setup. otherwise you're asking for problems.
> > delete whatever you don't want afterwards.
> 
> Stinks as a strategy.  "What" problems specifically?

migrating afterwards will create a new account with a new uid.

that means you are likely to have permissions issues because of the
mismatch. you can chown it, but that's a pain. 

migrating at setup will create your initial account and copy everything
to it, so there won't be a second account at all.

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#49054

On 2013.09.26 17:08 , nospam wrote:
> In article <tYednbXHjNAbA9nPnZ2dnUVZ_ucAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>> migrate during initial setup. otherwise you're asking for problems.
>>> delete whatever you don't want afterwards.
>>
>> Stinks as a strategy.  "What" problems specifically?
>
> migrating afterwards will create a new account with a new uid.
>
> that means you are likely to have permissions issues because of the
> mismatch. you can chown it, but that's a pain.
>
> migrating at setup will create your initial account and copy everything
> to it, so there won't be a second account at all.

I was afraid of that.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49037

On 13-09-26 08:43, Alan Browne wrote:

> My plan is to migrate-assist only apps and transfer user data in the BG 
> when up and running. 

If that is the case, make sure yoiur new user account on the new machine
has the same GUID UUID as on the old machine. In unix security, username
doesn't count, its the numbers behind it.

What you did not mention is whether the new machine will have same OS
version or not.

Also, will the two machines be hardwired together for the initial
transfer and then ethernet for rest, or will it be ethernet for both ?

With regards to Photoshop:

There is stuff spread around the system that may not be caught by
migration assistant. For instance in /Library/Preferences, there is a
"Flexnet" directiory which contains the authorisations for your various
adobe packages.

So after migration assistant has done its job, you can go through the
new /Library to make sure it caught everything adobe related.

If you re-install from scratch, you lose your preferences and default to
the garish look by default.


> - What happens to licensed s/w such as Photoshop?  Do I have to 
> de-authorize on the source and authorize on target?

Since Adobe no longer sells licensed software, there is not much point
in going out of your way to manage your licenses. Just copy the software.

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#49038

In article <5244905a$0$9753$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > My plan is to migrate-assist only apps and transfer user data in the BG 
> > when up and running. 
> 
> If that is the case, make sure yoiur new user account on the new machine
> has the same GUID UUID as on the old machine. In unix security, username
> doesn't count, its the numbers behind it.

that's why it's best to migrate at initial setup, not later.

> What you did not mention is whether the new machine will have same OS
> version or not.

it will probably be a version of 10.8.5 for that hardware.

> Also, will the two machines be hardwired together for the initial
> transfer and then ethernet for rest, or will it be ethernet for both ?

firewire target mode or fw800/usb3 to a time machine or clone is the
best.

> With regards to Photoshop:
> 
> There is stuff spread around the system that may not be caught by
> migration assistant. For instance in /Library/Preferences, there is a
> "Flexnet" directiory which contains the authorisations for your various
> adobe packages.

it works just fine with photoshop.

> > - What happens to licensed s/w such as Photoshop?  Do I have to 
> > de-authorize on the source and authorize on target?
> 
> Since Adobe no longer sells licensed software, there is not much point
> in going out of your way to manage your licenses. Just copy the software.

adobe absolutely does still sell licensed software.

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#49039

On 13-09-26 15:59, nospam wrote:

> adobe absolutely does still sell licensed software.

Did it change its mind to go to a subscription-only sales model ?

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#49040

In article <52449454$0$16995$c3e8da3$40d4fd75@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > adobe absolutely does still sell licensed software.
> 
> Did it change its mind to go to a subscription-only sales model ?

creative cloud is subscription based.

creative suite 6 is still available as a full purchase, no subscription.

there are also other apps, such as photoshop elements, which are only
full purchase.

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#49041

On 2013-09-26 13:08:52 -0700, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:

> On 13-09-26 15:59, nospam wrote:
> 
>> adobe absolutely does still sell licensed software.
> 
> Did it change its mind to go to a subscription-only sales model ?

Of the software currently available Adobe's "Creative Cloud", you can 
still buy Photoshop CS6 and updates to PS CS6 from CS5, Lightroom 5 and 
updates to Lightroom 5.

I bought my CS5 to CS6 update after the implementation of the CC.

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Savageduck

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#49056

In article <52449454$0$16995$c3e8da3$40d4fd75@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-09-26 15:59, nospam wrote:
> 
> > adobe absolutely does still sell licensed software.
> 
> Did it change its mind to go to a subscription-only sales model?

Yes and no. Adobe no longer sells software boxes in stores (although no
doubt some stores still have the old boxed versions), but you do still
download a licensed copy of the software to install and pay the monthly
/ annual subscription fee to be able to use it.

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#49065

On 2013-09-26 14:28:19 -0700, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:

> In article <52449454$0$16995$c3e8da3$40d4fd75@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 13-09-26 15:59, nospam wrote:
>> 
>>> adobe absolutely does still sell licensed software.
>> 
>> Did it change its mind to go to a subscription-only sales model?
> 
> Yes and no. Adobe no longer sells software boxes in stores (although no
> doubt some stores still have the old boxed versions), but you do still
> download a licensed copy of the software to install and pay the monthly
> / annual subscription fee to be able to use it.

That is true for the Creative Cloud Suite applications, but not for 
Lightroom (also included in the CC) and CS5 to CS6 upgrades.

My PS CS6 upgrade was a download as Adobe did not, and would not have a 
boxed upgrade to sell me. They have an odd download process, but it 
works and if I log in check my Adobe purchase history it is there for 
addition downloads if needed.

The biggest hoop I had to jump through was convincing customer service 
that I wanted to upgrade from CS5 to CS6, without dealing with the CC 
rental plan.


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Savageduck

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