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  how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? BakersT <nomailpls@domain.invalid> - 2014-06-26 10:41 -0400
    Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-27 02:56 +1200
      Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? BakersT <nomailpls@domain.invalid> - 2014-06-26 11:16 -0400
      Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-27 09:30 +1200
    Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 16:04 +0000
    Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-26 21:49 +0000
    Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 18:08 -0400
      Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 22:47 +0000
        Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:47 -0400
          Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 04:50 +0000
            Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:48 -0400
            Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-27 15:55 +0000
              Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 09:29 -0700
                Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-27 20:53 +0000
                  Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 18:13 -0700
                    Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-28 16:58 +0000
              Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-29 10:01 +1200
    Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-27 07:00 -0700
      Re: how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-28 22:02 +0000

#61424 — how come no comp.sys.mac.[system.]ios ?

Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I 
use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's 
"iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. I'm a newbie to iOS (having 
just purchased an iPod Touch), and while the available documentation is 
quite good, there are still times when polling "the wisdom of the group" 
of other users would be helpful...

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#61425

BakersT <nomailpls@domain.invalid> wrote:

> Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's 
> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. I'm a newbie to iOS (having
> just purchased an iPod Touch), and while the available documentation is
> quite good, there are still times when polling "the wisdom of the group"
> of other users would be helpful...

There are three separate groups which cover different categories of
devices running iOS. They were created at different times based on
slotting things into the existing hierarchy (or creating a new
subcategory in one case) so aren't particularly easy to spot:

comp.mobile.ipad
misc.phone.mobile.iphone
rec.media.players.portable.ipod

The latter is most appropriate for discussion specific to the iPod
Touch, but the iPhone group will usually overlap with the iPod Touch,
and is much more active.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#61426

In article <1lnvpcx.184i96pn5m6v4N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> BakersT <nomailpls@domain.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
> > use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's 
> > "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. I'm a newbie to iOS (having
> > just purchased an iPod Touch), and while the available documentation is
> > quite good, there are still times when polling "the wisdom of the group"
> > of other users would be helpful...
> 
> There are three separate groups which cover different categories of
> devices running iOS. They were created at different times based on
> slotting things into the existing hierarchy (or creating a new
> subcategory in one case) so aren't particularly easy to spot:
> 
> comp.mobile.ipad
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone
> rec.media.players.portable.ipod
> 
> The latter is most appropriate for discussion specific to the iPod
> Touch, but the iPhone group will usually overlap with the iPod Touch,
> and is much more active.

Thank you, David! I'll check 'em out. Cheers!

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#61436

In article <1lnvpcx.184i96pn5m6v4N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> BakersT <nomailpls@domain.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> > Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
> > use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's 
> > "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. I'm a newbie to iOS (having
> > just purchased an iPod Touch), and while the available documentation is
> > quite good, there are still times when polling "the wisdom of the group"
> > of other users would be helpful...
> 
> There are three separate groups which cover different categories of
> devices running iOS. They were created at different times based on
> slotting things into the existing hierarchy (or creating a new
> subcategory in one case) so aren't particularly easy to spot:
> 
> comp.mobile.ipad
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone
> rec.media.players.portable.ipod
> 
> The latter is most appropriate for discussion specific to the iPod
> Touch, but the iPhone group will usually overlap with the iPod Touch,
> and is much more active.

There's also "comp.mac.ipad", but it isn't really "active".

Plus a few regionalised ones for non-English users:
    de.alt.comm.iphone+ipad+co
    de.alt.fan.ipod
    free.it.musica.ipod
    it-alt.comp.sys.ipod
    fr.comp.sys.iphone
    hr.alt.cellular.gsm.iphone
    it-alt.tlc.cellulari.iphone
    it.tlc.cellulari.iphone

There may be more on other newsservers.

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#61428

Okay, so one time?  In band camp?  BakersT <nomailpls@domain.invalid> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:41:45 -0400 <nomailpls-763BF6.10414526062014@mx05.eternal-september.org>
> Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I 
> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's 
> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. I'm a newbie to iOS (having 
> just purchased an iPod Touch), and while the available documentation is 
> quite good, there are still times when polling "the wisdom of the group" 
> of other users would be helpful...

There is an iPad group and a iPhone group, but no 'ios' group.

comp.mobile.ipad
misc.phone.mobile.iphone

-- 
"Oh damn", said Maladict.

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#61437

In article <nomailpls-763BF6.10414526062014@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
BakersT  <nomailpls@domain.invalid> wrote:
>Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
>use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's
>"iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. 

If your ISP supports the "newsgroups" command, you can type these
commands at the command line:

     newsgroups ios
     newsgroups ipad
     newsgroups ipod
     newsgroups iphone


Patty

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#61438

On 2014.06.26, 10:41 , BakersT wrote:
> Perhaps a dumb question,

Not at all.

... and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's
> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch.

The evolution of newsgroups sometimes fouls neat organizational structures.

misc.phone.mobile.iphone

came into being at some point after Apple launched the iPhone - at that 
time its OS was not called iOS.

Then comp.mobile.ipad came into being after that product was launched.

I believe iOS was created (as a name) sometime before iPad and referred 
to the OS in the iPhone and iPod.

All of the above sort of prevented a hierarchically "proper" newsgroup 
naming.

David mentions rec.media.players.portable.ipod but I have no idea when 
that came into being.

(Yes, I know these things can be looked up for hysterical accuracy but, 
really ...)



-- 
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#61440

Okay, so one time?  In band camp?  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:08:27 -0400 <3ZWdna0crIpBBDHOnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>
> On 2014.06.26, 10:41 , BakersT wrote:
>> Perhaps a dumb question,

> Not at all.

> ... and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
>> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's
>> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch.

> The evolution of newsgroups sometimes fouls neat organizational structures.

> misc.phone.mobile.iphone

> came into being at some point after Apple launched the iPhone - at that 
> time its OS was not called iOS.

> Then comp.mobile.ipad came into being after that product was launched.

> I believe iOS was created (as a name) sometime before iPad and referred 
> to the OS in the iPhone and iPod.

> All of the above sort of prevented a hierarchically "proper" newsgroup 
> naming.

And it would, in no case, belong under comp.sys.mac anyway.

I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.

-- 
Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what
do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?

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#61443

On 2014.06.26, 18:47 , Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time?  In band camp?  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>   --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:08:27 -0400 <3ZWdna0crIpBBDHOnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>> On 2014.06.26, 10:41 , BakersT wrote:
>>> Perhaps a dumb question,
>
>> Not at all.
>
>> ... and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
>>> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's
>>> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch.
>
>> The evolution of newsgroups sometimes fouls neat organizational structures.
>
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone
>
>> came into being at some point after Apple launched the iPhone - at that
>> time its OS was not called iOS.
>
>> Then comp.mobile.ipad came into being after that product was launched.
>
>> I believe iOS was created (as a name) sometime before iPad and referred
>> to the OS in the iPhone and iPod.
>
>> All of the above sort of prevented a hierarchically "proper" newsgroup
>> naming.
>
> And it would, in no case, belong under comp.sys.mac anyway.

Nobody said it should  - the OP posted here so that's where the replies 
are - I'm not big on re-directs unless tolrls be about.

>
> I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.

Sure - OTOH the present hybrid of iPhone / iPad works for me.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61455

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:47:40 -0400 <gvydnXzdC8SxIjHOnZ2dnUVZ_oMAAAAA@giganews.com>
> On 2014.06.26, 18:47 , Lewis wrote:
>> Okay, so one time?  In band camp?  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>>   --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:08:27 -0400 <3ZWdna0crIpBBDHOnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>> On 2014.06.26, 10:41 , BakersT wrote:
>>>> Perhaps a dumb question,
>>
>>> Not at all.
>>
>>> ... and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
>>>> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's
>>>> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch.
>>
>>> The evolution of newsgroups sometimes fouls neat organizational structures.
>>
>>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone
>>
>>> came into being at some point after Apple launched the iPhone - at that
>>> time its OS was not called iOS.
>>
>>> Then comp.mobile.ipad came into being after that product was launched.
>>
>>> I believe iOS was created (as a name) sometime before iPad and referred
>>> to the OS in the iPhone and iPod.
>>
>>> All of the above sort of prevented a hierarchically "proper" newsgroup
>>> naming.
>>
>> And it would, in no case, belong under comp.sys.mac anyway.

> Nobody said it should 

Yes, the original poster did. It's in the subject line. Still there in
your post.

>> I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.

> Sure - OTOH the present hybrid of iPhone / iPad works for me.

There are iPhone topics, there are iPad topics, and there are iOS
topics.


-- 
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remarked upon. It is said that they can see the fall of every sparrow.
And this may be true. But there is only one who is always there when it
hits the ground. --Hogfather

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#61464

On 2014.06.27, 00:50 , Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>   --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:47:40 -0400 <gvydnXzdC8SxIjHOnZ2dnUVZ_oMAAAAA@giganews.com>
>> On 2014.06.26, 18:47 , Lewis wrote:
>>> Okay, so one time?  In band camp?  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>>>    --> 	 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:08:27 -0400 <3ZWdna0crIpBBDHOnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>> On 2014.06.26, 10:41 , BakersT wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps a dumb question,
>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>
>>>> ... and perhaps an artifact of the news server I
>>>>> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's
>>>>> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch.
>>>
>>>> The evolution of newsgroups sometimes fouls neat organizational structures.
>>>
>>>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone
>>>
>>>> came into being at some point after Apple launched the iPhone - at that
>>>> time its OS was not called iOS.
>>>
>>>> Then comp.mobile.ipad came into being after that product was launched.
>>>
>>>> I believe iOS was created (as a name) sometime before iPad and referred
>>>> to the OS in the iPhone and iPod.
>>>
>>>> All of the above sort of prevented a hierarchically "proper" newsgroup
>>>> naming.
>>>
>>> And it would, in no case, belong under comp.sys.mac anyway.
>
>> Nobody said it should
>
> Yes, the original poster did. It's in the subject line. Still there in
> your post.

I take that as a badly posited subject.

>
>>> I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.
>
>> Sure - OTOH the present hybrid of iPhone / iPad works for me.
>
> There are iPhone topics, there are iPad topics, and there are iOS
> topics.

Sure - and they are covered well enough in the 2 groups named.  If you 
want to bang your head a bit and create a big 8 group for iOS, then by 
all means...

-- 
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#61487

For your reference, records indicate that 
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like: 
> 
> >> I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.
> 
> > Sure - OTOH the present hybrid of iPhone / iPad works for me.
> 
> There are iPhone topics, there are iPad topics, and there are iOS
> topics.

All the more reason to give it a proper place in the hierarchy.  With
Apple TV and the ever-expected iWatch, or any other iOS-based devices
they might be dreaming up, now would be a good time to do some
housekeeping.

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#61489

In article <lok45m$4a2$2@dont-email.me>, Doc
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like: 
> > 
> > >> I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.
> > 
> > > Sure - OTOH the present hybrid of iPhone / iPad works for me.
> > 
> > There are iPhone topics, there are iPad topics, and there are iOS
> > topics.
> 
> All the more reason to give it a proper place in the hierarchy.  With
> Apple TV and the ever-expected iWatch, or any other iOS-based devices
> they might be dreaming up, now would be a good time to do some
> housekeeping.

Keep in mind that the iPad newsgroup was started because subscribers to
the iPhone newsgroup didn't like the fact that the iPad was being
discussed there.  So maybe the fragmentation is a good thing.  But if
you want to pursue the possibility of creating a new iOS newsgroup (and
folding the existing iPad and iPhone newsgroups into it), here's a good
start:

<http://big-8.org/articles/h/o/w/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup.htm
l>

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#61490

For your reference, records indicate that 
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <lok45m$4a2$2@dont-email.me>, Doc
> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> > All the more reason to give it a proper place in the hierarchy.  With
> > Apple TV and the ever-expected iWatch, or any other iOS-based devices
> > they might be dreaming up, now would be a good time to do some
> > housekeeping.
> 
> Keep in mind that the iPad newsgroup was started because subscribers to
> the iPhone newsgroup didn't like the fact that the iPad was being
> discussed there.  So maybe the fragmentation is a good thing.

Oh, I’m right there with you.  My suggestion was *not* to group all those
things together in one groups, but to point out that a comp.sys.ios.*
would support a number of sub-hierarchies that catered to particular iOS
interests.

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#61492

In article <loklkl$unc$1@dont-email.me>, Doc
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> Oh, I¹m right there with you.  My suggestion was *not* to group all those
> things together in one groups, but to point out that a comp.sys.ios.*
> would support a number of sub-hierarchies that catered to particular iOS
> interests.

Like these?

comp.sys.ios.ipad
comp.sys.ios.iphone
comp.sys.ios.ipodtouch
comp.sys.ios.appletv
comp.sys.ios.system

I would hazard a guess that the overwhelming majority of traffic would
be in comp.sys.ios.system.

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#61493

For your reference, records indicate that 
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> comp.sys.ios.ipad
> comp.sys.ios.iphone
> comp.sys.ios.ipodtouch
> comp.sys.ios.appletv
> comp.sys.ios.system

Based on current hierarchies, I’d say something more like:

comp.sys.ios.apps
comp.sys.ios.hardware.(device type)
comp.sys.ios.misc
comp.sys.ios.programmer

I’d skip .system in favor of .misc, because most users don’t think of
the OS per se when they’re interacting with their device.

> I would hazard a guess that the overwhelming majority of traffic would
> be in comp.sys.ios.system.

That and .apps, just like it is for the comp.sys.mac groups (and
presumably most other comp.sys sub-hierarchies).  If we really wanted
to adjust the hierarchies based on traffic, we could drop 90% of the
groups these days.

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#61502

In article <lok45m$4a2$2@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like: 
> > 
> > >> I'd support a comp.sys.ios newsgroup.
> > 
> > > Sure - OTOH the present hybrid of iPhone / iPad works for me.
> > 
> > There are iPhone topics, there are iPad topics, and there are iOS
> > topics.
> 
> All the more reason to give it a proper place in the hierarchy.  With
> Apple TV and the ever-expected iWatch, or any other iOS-based devices
> they might be dreaming up, now would be a good time to do some
> housekeeping.

Usenet is dying - it's full of spammers and know-nothing knob-heads.
It's really not worth all the hassle trying to set up new newsgroups
since the vast majority of people use web forums these days.

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#61469

On Thursday, 26 June 2014 15:41:45 UTC+1, BakersT  wrote:
> Perhaps a dumb question, and perhaps an artifact of the news server I 
> 
> use, but I'm puzzled by the lack of a group specifically for Apple's 
> 
> "iOS" system for iPhones/iPads/iPod Touch. I'm a newbie to iOS (having 
> 
> just purchased an iPod Touch), and while the available documentation is 
> 
> quite good, there are still times when polling "the wisdom of the group" 
> 
> of other users would be helpful...

The only people who use iPhones are dumb idiots who want everything to be simplistic to the extreme. And the only thing they use it for is to take their almost erotic 'selfies'

As if they want to go on newsgroups

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#61503

Okay, so one time? In band camp? williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) <588fb9a9-1619-4613-bc74-610a502c13d4@googlegroups.com>

[drivel]

Go away you fatuous troll.

-- 
Mirrors contain infinity. Infinity contains more things than you think.
Everything, for a start. Including hunger. Because there's a million
billion images, but only one soul to go around. --Witches Abroad

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