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  Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 09:55 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-26 19:25 +0200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2014-05-26 19:02 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 08:53 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:59 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:18 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 13:53 +1200
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 08:30 +0200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 19:01 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 19:34 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 10:06 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-28 09:06 +0000
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 12:30 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-29 08:58 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-03 16:59 +0200
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:24 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 08:50 +0200
                      Re: Kids react to old computers David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-04 08:11 +0100
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 19:19 +1200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 14:39 +0200
                          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 09:33 +1200
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-05 09:05 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:06 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 14:04 -0700
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-08 00:17 +0000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-08 14:36 -0600
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 01:12 +0000
                          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-08 21:22 -0400
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:40 +1200
                              Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 15:13 -0600
                                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:34 +1200
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 08:03 -0600
                              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:18 +1200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:42 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:43 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 09:17 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:44 -0400
                      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:59 +1000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 16:10 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 19:05 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:53 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 17:23 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:09 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:19 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 22:23 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers bknight@conramp.net - 2014-05-26 16:48 -0500
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 15:10 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-05-27 08:43 +1000
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:08 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 13:31 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-27 05:14 +0000
          Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-27 17:04 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 15:38 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 23:58 +0100
    Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:14 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 13:49 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 14:12 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 17:57 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 18:07 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 18:39 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 20:20 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:23 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-07 20:13 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 20:31 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-07-14 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-15 10:19 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:19 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 17:24 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 22:16 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-27 08:41 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-05-26 21:48 -0500
        Re: Kids react to old computers mortman <mortn@comcast.net> - 2014-05-26 21:12 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-26 21:00 -0500
          Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 19:35 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 16:08 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 22:00 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:06 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 18:16 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:22 -0500
            Re: Kids react to old computers Harry Mudd <Agent001@Section-31.org> - 2014-06-04 22:48 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 12:39 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-27 16:13 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 09:02 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:15 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 17:10 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-05-28 15:44 +0000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-31 07:47 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:41 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 21:50 -0700
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 18:11 +1200
      Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:20 -0500
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:17 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:18 -0500
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:17 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 09:36 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:47 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 12:27 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-27 16:40 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:25 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-31 11:12 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-01 14:45 +0000
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 09:24 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 14:45 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 19:42 +0200
      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-01 14:01 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 +0200
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-02 11:29 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 06:14 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 01:33 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-05 23:22 -0700
                  Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-06 02:36 -0400
                    Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 02:41 -0400
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:21 +0200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-06 00:00 -0700
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:20 +0200
                      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:52 +1000
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:08 +0000
                          Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:48 +1000
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 23:43 -0700
                          Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:36 +1000
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-08 03:09 -0700
                              Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:15 +1000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:18 +0200
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-07 18:03 +0100
                    Re: Kids react to old computers News <News@Group.Post> - 2014-06-07 14:08 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:51 +1000
                  Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 13:46 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-06 18:36 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:51 +1000
      Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-01 21:54 -0400
    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:05 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 06:58 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-09 07:01 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:02 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 12:24 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 18:00 +0000
            Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-09 16:01 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 16:21 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-09 13:40 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:04 -0700

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#59754

In article
<815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
, Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> >> 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> >> 
> >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > 
> > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> 
> I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
> Apple Mac did.

the apple ii is when the personal computer revolution began.

the mac changed how people interact with computers, which is also
important.

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#59758

In article <270520141239159276%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
> , Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > >>> 
> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > >> 
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > >> 
> > >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > > 
> > > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> > 
> > I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
> > Apple Mac did.
> 
> the apple ii is when the personal computer revolution began.

I think it's hard to say whether it was the Apple II or the TRS-80. They 
were both pretty significant around the same time. The TRS-80 might have 
been the game changer because Radio Shack stores were all over the 
place. I don't know how common it was, but our local store allowed a 
bunch of us to use it in the store. I never actually owned one of my own 
(but a friend I met at the store eventually did), but I spent hours 
fooling with it there (it happened to be adjacent to a Burger King that 
I had an after-school job at).

-- 
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

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#59760

In article <barmar-BCE9E0.16133227052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <270520141239159276%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
> > , Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > > >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > > >> 
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > > >> 
> > > >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > > > 
> > > > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> > > 
> > > I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
> > > Apple Mac did.
> > 
> > the apple ii is when the personal computer revolution began.
> 
> I think it's hard to say whether it was the Apple II or the TRS-80. They 
> were both pretty significant around the same time. The TRS-80 might have 
> been the game changer because Radio Shack stores were all over the 
> place. I don't know how common it was, but our local store allowed a 
> bunch of us to use it in the store. I never actually owned one of my own 
> (but a friend I met at the store eventually did), but I spent hours 
> fooling with it there (it happened to be adjacent to a Burger King that 
> I had an after-school job at).

The Apple II was launched in June 1977 (as was the Commodore PET,
although that was a "Professional Computer" rather than a "Personal
Computer"). The TRS-80, aka the Trash-80, wasn't released until two
momnths later in August 1977.

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#59765

On 14-05-27 17:02, Your Name wrote:

> The Apple II was launched in June 1977 (as was the Commodore PET,
> although that was a "Professional Computer" rather than a "Personal
> Computer"). The TRS-80, aka the Trash-80, wasn't released until two
> momnths later in August 1977.


Thanks. Answered my previous question.

BTW, the PET's first acronym had "Personal" for the P. It is only later
that it moved to "professional".

Back then, businesses had no use for these "toys", not until Visicalc
came along of the Apple ][ and some busineses started to use this
marvelous new "spreadsheet" technology that couldn't be done on a mainframe.

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#59788

In article <53850e9c$0$22151$c3e8da3$69010069@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-05-27 17:02, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> > The Apple II was launched in June 1977 (as was the Commodore PET,
> > although that was a "Professional Computer" rather than a "Personal
> > Computer"). The TRS-80, aka the Trash-80, wasn't released until two
> > momnths later in August 1977.
> 
> Thanks. Answered my previous question.
> 
> BTW, the PET's first acronym had "Personal" for the P. It is only later
> that it moved to "professional".
> 
> Back then, businesses had no use for these "toys", not until Visicalc
> came along of the Apple ][ and some busineses started to use this
> marvelous new "spreadsheet" technology that couldn't be done on a mainframe.

I took "Professional Computer" from the label on the front in a picture
of the PET, so you could be right about a change from "Personal", but
the name change adds to the fact that it wasn't really aimed at
"normal" people.

My high school had one Commodore PET the year I started there. It  was
basically just toured around classes to say "this is what a computer
looks like" and I don't think anyone actually used it for anything
properly. The only other place I've ever seen them is on old TV shows
like The Bionic Man.  :-)

The next year (after some fundraising) we had a "computer room" with
about 20 Apple II computers and a "server" for the teacher - the
biggest school computer room in the country, if not the Southern
Hempisphere, at the time. They were upgraded over the next few years to
IIe models and an Apple III. Not long after I had finished high school
they added another computer room or two with DOS / Windows PCs - thank
goodness I "missed out" on those.   :-)

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#59806

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <53850e9c$0$22151$c3e8da3$69010069@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 14-05-27 17:02, Your Name wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Apple II was launched in June 1977 (as was the Commodore PET,
>>> although that was a "Professional Computer" rather than a "Personal
>>> Computer"). The TRS-80, aka the Trash-80, wasn't released until two
>>> momnths later in August 1977.
>> 
>> Thanks. Answered my previous question.
>> 
>> BTW, the PET's first acronym had "Personal" for the P. It is only later
>> that it moved to "professional".
>> 
>> Back then, businesses had no use for these "toys", not until Visicalc
>> came along of the Apple ][ and some busineses started to use this
>> marvelous new "spreadsheet" technology that couldn't be done on a mainframe.
> 
> I took "Professional Computer" from the label on the front in a picture
> of the PET, so you could be right about a change from "Personal", but
> the name change adds to the fact that it wasn't really aimed at
> "normal" people.
> 
> My high school had one Commodore PET the year I started there. It  was
> basically just toured around classes to say "this is what a computer
> looks like" and I don't think anyone actually used it for anything
> properly. The only other place I've ever seen them is on old TV shows
> like The Bionic Man.  :-)
> 
> The next year (after some fundraising) we had a "computer room" with
> about 20 Apple II computers and a "server" for the teacher - the
> biggest school computer room in the country, if not the Southern
> Hempisphere, at the time. They were upgraded over the next few years to
> IIe models and an Apple III. Not long after I had finished high school
> they added another computer room or two with DOS / Windows PCs - thank
> goodness I "missed out" on those.   :-)

I met Apple first. The few times over the years I've had to deal with
Windoze I' ve complained bitterly!


-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#59873

It looks like we're sharing our life's computer history. Here's mine 
that I had and have: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/toys.html 
(also other electronics). ;)
-- 
"Everything tastes better at a picnic... the ants, the sand, 
everything." --unknown
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#59786

In article <280520140902125861%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-BCE9E0.16133227052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In article <270520141239159276%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
> > > , Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > > > >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > > > > 
> > > > > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that 
> > > > the
> > > > Apple Mac did.
> > > 
> > > the apple ii is when the personal computer revolution began.
> > 
> > I think it's hard to say whether it was the Apple II or the TRS-80. They 
> > were both pretty significant around the same time. The TRS-80 might have 
> > been the game changer because Radio Shack stores were all over the 
> > place. I don't know how common it was, but our local store allowed a 
> > bunch of us to use it in the store. I never actually owned one of my own 
> > (but a friend I met at the store eventually did), but I spent hours 
> > fooling with it there (it happened to be adjacent to a Burger King that 
> > I had an after-school job at).
> 
> The Apple II was launched in June 1977 (as was the Commodore PET,
> although that was a "Professional Computer" rather than a "Personal
> Computer"). The TRS-80, aka the Trash-80, wasn't released until two
> momnths later in August 1977.

Two months apart. Is that not "around the same time"? Did you think I 
meant the same time of day?

-- 
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

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#59787

In article <barmar-05F0E5.00415728052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Two months apart. Is that not "around the same time"? Did you think I 
> meant the same time of day?

Shhh.  You know whom you're talking to, right?

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#59790

In article <barmar-05F0E5.00415728052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <280520140902125861%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <barmar-BCE9E0.16133227052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > In article <270520141239159276%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> > >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
> > > > , Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > > > > >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > > > > >>> 
> > > > > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue
> > > > > that the Apple Mac did.
> > > > 
> > > > the apple ii is when the personal computer revolution began.
> > > 
> > > I think it's hard to say whether it was the Apple II or the TRS-80. They 
> > > were both pretty significant around the same time. The TRS-80 might have 
> > > been the game changer because Radio Shack stores were all over the 
> > > place. I don't know how common it was, but our local store allowed a 
> > > bunch of us to use it in the store. I never actually owned one of my own 
> > > (but a friend I met at the store eventually did), but I spent hours 
> > > fooling with it there (it happened to be adjacent to a Burger King that 
> > > I had an after-school job at).
> > 
> > The Apple II was launched in June 1977 (as was the Commodore PET,
> > although that was a "Professional Computer" rather than a "Personal
> > Computer"). The TRS-80, aka the Trash-80, wasn't released until two
> > momnths later in August 1977.
> 
> Two months apart. Is that not "around the same time"? Did you think I 
> meant the same time of day?

Two months later means the Trash-80 can't have been the start of the
"personal computer revolution".  :-\

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#59747

In article 
<chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > 
> > -- Michelle
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> 
> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg

BIG ones 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#59741

On 5/26/2014 9:55 AM PT, Michelle Steiner typed:

> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
>
Also, check out the other videos like casette tape player, rotatory 
phone, etc. :)
-- 
"... Hey. Could we do that again? I know we haven't met, but I don't 
want to be an ant. You know? I mean, it's like we go through life with 
our antennae bouncing off one another, continously on ant autopilot, 
with nothing really human required of us. 'Stop.' 'Go.' 'Walk here.' 
'Drive there.' All action basically for survival. All communication 
simply to keep this ant colony buzzing along in an efficient, polite 
manner. 'Here's your change.' 'Paper or plastic?' 'Credit or debit?"' 
'You want ketchup with that' I don't want a straw. I want real human 
moments. I want to see you. I want you to see me. I don't want to give 
that up. I don't want to be ant, you know?" "Yeah... yeah I know. I 
don't want to be an ant either. Thanks for kinda, like, josteling me 
there... I've been kinda on zombie autopilot lately. I don't feel like 
an ant in my head, but I guess I probably look like one..." --Waking 
Life movie
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#59746

In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> 
> -- Michelle
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk

Hard to believe I once used an Apple //e regularly and thought it was 
really great because it was such a step up from my manual typewriter 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#59750

In article <drache-980262.10182227052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > 
> > -- Michelle
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> 
> Hard to believe I once used an Apple //e regularly and thought it was 
> really great because it was such a step up from my manual typewriter 8-)

I thought that the Apple //e was great because it was such a step up
from an Apple ][.

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#59753

On 2014-05-27 15:18:22 +0000, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> said:

> In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>> 
>> -- Michelle
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> 
> Hard to believe I once used an Apple //e regularly and thought it was
> really great because it was such a step up from my manual typewriter 8-)

Yup! I had a Commodore 64 and an Apple ][e with duo-drives running the 
original AppleWorks, WP, DB, Spreadsheet, and for fun I had the Apple 
version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. I also went through a bunch of 
different input devices from basic joy sticks to the Koala Pad, and a 
Gibson Light Pen.
< http://www.oldmouse.com/lightpen/ >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#59755

In article <2014052709364460720-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> Yup! I had a Commodore 64 and an Apple ][e with duo-drives running the 
> original AppleWorks, WP, DB, Spreadsheet, and for fun I had the Apple 
> version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. 

SubLOGIC originally wrote That program for other computers, the first
being the Apple ][, before it was licensed to Microsoft.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Flight_Simulator>

-- Michelle

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#59757

On 2014-05-27 16:47:31 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <2014052709364460720-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yup! I had a Commodore 64 and an Apple ][e with duo-drives running the
>> original AppleWorks, WP, DB, Spreadsheet, and for fun I had the Apple
>> version of Microsoft Flight Simulator.
> 
> SubLOGIC originally wrote That program for other computers, the first
> being the Apple ][, before it was licensed to Microsoft.
> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Flight_Simulator>
> 
> -- Michelle

You are correct. The packaging, floppy, and manual I have are all 
SubLOGIC with an MS byline. It was a great simulation at the time.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#59759

On 2014.05.26, 12:55 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>
> -- Michelle
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk

Amusing - but I'd rather see these kids reacting to living life on a 
1850's farm.  1 whole year's worth.  Or even a 1950's farm.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#59784

In article <KNednUHqEr21ZRnOnZ2dnUVZ_rYAAAAA@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.05.26, 12:55 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> >
> > -- Michelle
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> 
> Amusing - but I'd rather see these kids reacting to living life on a 
> 1850's farm.  1 whole year's worth.  Or even a 1950's farm.

There was a series of PBS reality shows where they had modern families 
try to live like they did in various primitive eras: Frontier House, 
Victorian House, etc. The kids whines a lot, although the parents didn't 
enjoy it much, either -- the life of a Victorian housewife was filled 
with drudgery.

-- 
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

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#59874

On 2014.05.28, 00:25 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <KNednUHqEr21ZRnOnZ2dnUVZ_rYAAAAA@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.05.26, 12:55 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
>>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>>>
>>> -- Michelle
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
>>
>> Amusing - but I'd rather see these kids reacting to living life on a
>> 1850's farm.  1 whole year's worth.  Or even a 1950's farm.
>
> There was a series of PBS reality shows where they had modern families
> try to live like they did in various primitive eras: Frontier House,
> Victorian House, etc. The kids whines a lot, although the parents didn't
> enjoy it much, either -- the life of a Victorian housewife was filled
> with drudgery.

I'll try to find those.

There's a series of British series such as "Tales from the Green Valley" 
(1620), "Edwardian Farm", "Tudor Monastery Farm" and so on.  Each is 12 
episodes (except for some side stories) - one for each month of the farm 
annual cycle - while the cast lives on the farm (in one case they can't 
sleep at the farm due to labour health laws).

Very nitty-gritty.

No children in the core production, but some on some episodes where 
there are gatherings of some kind or another.

You can watch all of them on YouTube.

I found them fascinating and educational.  Whether the do-or-die of a 
1620 farm or the emerging technology of the 1800's, very interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Green_Valley

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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