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Has Apple's software quality declined?

Started bynmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello)
First post2014-12-22 12:24 -0700
Last post2014-12-26 14:00 +1300
Articles 4 on this page of 84 — 22 participants

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  Has Apple's software quality declined? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2014-12-22 12:24 -0700
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 15:11 -0500
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-22 20:12 +0000
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 16:04 -0500
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-22 22:50 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 19:07 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 04:49 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-22 22:51 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 04:46 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-23 00:43 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 14:39 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-26 19:39 -0500
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-27 01:44 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-12-23 04:37 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:03 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-12-23 17:46 -0800
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 04:36 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 14:39 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 13:56 -0800
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 22:09 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-24 18:40 -0500
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 15:09 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-25 09:33 -0700
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 16:38 +0000
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-25 09:46 -0700
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 09:19 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 02:42 +1300
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-28 15:35 +0100
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 10:57 +1300
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-28 07:43 -0800
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 08:49 -0700
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-28 11:26 -0800
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-28 20:11 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-28 19:35 +0000
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 13:05 -0700
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 10:57 +1300
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-28 17:23 -0500
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-29 22:59 -0500
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 09:42 +0000
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-30 12:44 +0100
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-30 14:09 -0500
                          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-30 20:51 +0100
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-28 17:55 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 13:03 -0800
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-30 22:20 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-31 20:42 -0800
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-31 01:16 +0000
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-12-31 15:33 -0600
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:01 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-25 11:34 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 21:59 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-25 17:07 -0500
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 22:38 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-26 09:05 -0500
                  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-26 17:01 +0000
                    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-26 15:32 -0500
                      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-26 21:16 +0000
                        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-26 17:33 -0500
                          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-26 23:41 +0000
                            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-26 22:48 -0500
                          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-12-26 23:22 -0800
                            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-27 04:26 -0500
                            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-27 14:45 +0000
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-12-23 19:19 -0800
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 04:34 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-23 23:46 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 05:22 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-24 07:55 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 16:20 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:06 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 14:46 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-12-24 23:19 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:09 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 03:04 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-12-25 09:20 -0800
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 17:29 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-22 23:44 -0800
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 00:42 -0800
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-24 03:58 -0500
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 13:52 -0800
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:11 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:00 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-12-25 18:41 +0100
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-26 14:00 +1300

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#67813

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-12-25 00:11 +0000
Message-ID<slrnm9mlhs.ps.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#67794
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> was all, like:
> On 2014-12-22 19:24:30 +0000, Neill Massello said:

>> Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
>> with Apple's recent OS releases.
>> 
>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-software-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/> 

> Forget about iOS, OS X has seen more and more new technology, but the 
> older underlying stuff has grown stale and some crap never worked right 
> in the first place.  OS X Server is an unmitigated disaster, for 
> example.  Even from a fresh install it is likely to get itself 
> completely hosed in very short order.

This is utter crap. You make vague unfounded assertions with no basis in
fact, no evidence at all, and ignore the many people who run OS X Server
all the time.

> Other problems are found with UNIX system administration.  There are 
> lots of new processes (especially since 10.8) that are poorly 
> documented and which can really chew up the CPU.  What are they doing?  

Again, utter shit. Do they have medication for your verbal diarrhea?


-- 
"How good bad music and bad reasons sound when we march against an
enemy." -  Friedrich Nietzsche

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#67808

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-12-25 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnm9mksr.ps.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#67754
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> was all, like:
> Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
> with Apple's recent OS releases. 

> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-software-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/>

Based on the name of the link there is 0% chance that is a pretty good
article. Or even a kind of good article. Or even an article. It's
clickbait bullshit.



-- 
OS X 10.5 is going to have spots?

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#67859

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-12-25 18:41 +0100
Message-ID<hqutmb-3lb.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#67754
On 2014-12-22, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
> with Apple's recent OS releases. 
>
><http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-software-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/>
>

My initial response before reading that article is that more than once
during the upgrade to Yosemite I did wonder how well my Mac systems
would run Linux.

That's not to say I thought of migrating any time soon, but the idea was
born.

-- 
Merry Humbug All!

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#67863

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-12-26 14:00 +1300
Message-ID<261220141400552019%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#67859
In article <hqutmb-3lb.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture
<nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2014-12-22, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Anthony Wing Kosner has a pretty good article at Forbes about problems
> > with Apple's recent OS releases. 
> >
> >><http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2014/12/22/declining-apple-softwa
> >re-quality-imperils-future-growth-and-retention/>
> 
> My initial response before reading that article is that more than once
> during the upgrade to Yosemite I did wonder how well my Mac systems
> would run Linux.
> 
> That's not to say I thought of migrating any time soon, but the idea was
> born.

Part of the problem is stupidly letting a hardware designer muck about
with the software.  :-(

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