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Another Preview Question

Started bySavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
First post2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
Last post2013-11-28 13:45 +1300
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  Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
    Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000
      Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000
        Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800
                  Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300
                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
                    Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <email@domain.com> - 2013-11-29 22:04 +0000
                    Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <email@domain.com> - 2013-11-29 22:05 +0000
                    Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <email@domain.com> - 2013-11-29 22:09 +0000
                    Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <rabsgiarc@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 22:10 +0000
                    Re: Another Preview Question Craig Harrison <rabsgiarc@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 22:19 +0000
                      Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-30 12:16 +1300
                        Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:36 -0800
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-01 19:13 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-12-01 00:28 -0800
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-02 00:51 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-01 18:44 +0000
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-02 11:36 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-02 09:06 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-12-06 17:44 +0100
                                Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-06 17:55 +0000
                                  Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-06 13:03 -0500
                                  Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-07 08:37 -0700
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-08 03:33 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000
                  Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300
                    Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-28 17:29 +0000
                  Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:37 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:33 +0000
        Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 07:24 -0700
          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:18 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 21:12 -0700
              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:19 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 07:41 -0700
              Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-27 19:54 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 13:51 -0700
                  Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:40 -0800
                    Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:22 +0000
                      Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:52 -0500
                      Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-28 05:17 +0000
                        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 19:17 +1300
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
                        Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 08:18 +0000
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:38 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 14:32 +0000
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:45 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:24 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
                                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                                    Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-28 18:47 -0500
                                      Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:33 +1300
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-12-01 09:55 -0500
                                      Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-01 15:05 -0500
                                  Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 21:19 -0500
                                Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                              Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:16 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 23:09 +0000
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 15:41 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:24 +1300
                                      Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 23:36 +0000
                          Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:23 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500
                  Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800
                    Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500
                      Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
                        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300
                          Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000
                  Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000
    Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300
      Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
        Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
              Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
    Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
      Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
        Re: Another Preview Question <henry@att.net> - 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> - 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
              Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300

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#52694

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
Message-ID<261120130853045358%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#52692
In article <2013112607445497142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of choice 
> remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A trackpad does not 
> provide the precision and ease of interaction of those devices, and I 
> have no interest in learning a bizarre set of gestures.

They're not bizarre at all.  ;)

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#52704

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
Message-ID<2013112609482441515-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#52694
On 2013-11-26 15:53:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> said:

> In article <2013112607445497142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of choice
>> remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A trackpad does not
>> provide the precision and ease of interaction of those devices, and I
>> have no interest in learning a bizarre set of gestures.
> 
> They're not bizarre at all.  ;)

What!!
Apple is discriminating against the "digitally" impaired. I was never 
able to (or truly wanted to) engage in Vulcan salutes, or stand on my 
head while moving my big toe in concert with my left ring finger and 
nose across a trackpad to perform a task which has been simple to 
execute in the past.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52705

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
Message-ID<261120131101519010%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#52704
In article <2013112609482441515-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of
> >> choice remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A
> >> trackpad does not provide the precision and ease of interaction of
> >> those devices, and I have no interest in learning a bizarre set of
> >> gestures.
> > 
> > They're not bizarre at all.  ;)
> 
> What!! Apple is discriminating against the "digitally" impaired. I
> was never able to (or truly wanted to) engage in Vulcan salutes, or
> stand on my head while moving my big toe in concert with my left ring
> finger and nose across a trackpad to perform a task which has been
> simple to execute in the past.

Me neither, but I am able to swipe one, two, three, or even four
fingers across a track pad, and I'm able to even move my thumb and
forefinger together or apart.  I can even tap the pad with my
forefinger and middle finger simultaneously.

No need for head standing, nor use of toes or noses.

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#52709

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
Message-ID<gmafma-t091.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#52657
Savageduck wrote:

> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll 
> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even 
> that option is gone.

Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
PDF.

The first time this happened I couldn't get to a vital piece of
information at the bottom of a document until I reopened it in
PDFpenPro.

Yes, Preview's new behaviour stinks.

And no, I'm not buying a Trackpad at that silly price.  I can get
a backup keyboard and a couple or three meeces for that amount.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#52713

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
Message-ID<5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#52709
On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:

> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
> PDF.


Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?

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#52715

From<henry@att.net>
Date2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
Message-ID<261120131235062610%henry@att.net>
In reply to#52713
In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
> 
> > Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
> > PDF.
> 
> 
> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
> 

System Preferences / General 

Show scroll bars

1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
2. When Scrolling
3. Always

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#52719

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
Message-ID<2013112614153176938-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#52715
On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:

> In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
>> 
>>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
>>> PDF.
>> 
>> 
>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
>> 
> 
> System Preferences / General
> 
> Show scroll bars
> 
> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
> 2. When Scrolling
> 3. Always

Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies 
to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the 
scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52727

FromJoe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com>
Date2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
Message-ID<l73a0g$dp3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#52719
 >>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
>>>
>>
>> System Preferences / General
>>
>> Show scroll bars
>>
>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
>> 2. When Scrolling
>> 3. Always
>
> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.

They appear here with a zoomed PDF, with "Always" checked. Preview 7, 10.9

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#52734

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
Message-ID<2013112618075410723-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#52727
On 2013-11-26 23:14:26 +0000, Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> said:

>  >>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> System Preferences / General
>>> 
>>> Show scroll bars
>>> 
>>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
>>> 2. When Scrolling
>>> 3. Always
>> 
>> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
>> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
>> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.
> 
> They appear here with a zoomed PDF, with "Always" checked. Preview 7, 10.9

Well that is not the result I get with "Always" checked in OSX 10.9;
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_412.jpg >

...and with a zoomed PDF open in Preview 7.0;
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_411.jpg >

No scroll bar to be found.

I've shown you mine why don't you show me yours? ;-)

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52728

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
Message-ID<1lcztl7.1yrz1izfp0y30N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#52719
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:
> 
> > In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
> >>> PDF.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
> >> 
> > 
> > System Preferences / General
> > 
> > Show scroll bars
> > 
> > 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
> > 2. When Scrolling
> > 3. Always
> 
> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.

Works fine here. I have "Always" selected, and Preview is showing a
vertical scroll bar even if I zoom out far enough to see the entire
document. If I change the setting in System Preferences, the scroll bars
appear or disappear immediately in Preview, Finder and most other
applications. In older applications (including MacSOUP), the scroll bars
are always there no matter which setting I use.

On the other hand, Preview (in OS X 10.9) does NOT have a horizontal
scroll bar under any setting or scroll activity.
-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#52735

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
Message-ID<2013112618165184470-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#52728
On 2013-11-26 23:21:08 +0000, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:

> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:
>> 
>>> In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
>>>>> PDF.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> System Preferences / General
>>> 
>>> Show scroll bars
>>> 
>>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
>>> 2. When Scrolling
>>> 3. Always
>> 
>> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
>> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
>> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.
> 
> Works fine here. I have "Always" selected, and Preview is showing a
> vertical scroll bar even if I zoom out far enough to see the entire
> document. If I change the setting in System Preferences, the scroll bars
> appear or disappear immediately in Preview, Finder and most other
> applications. In older applications (including MacSOUP), the scroll bars
> are always there no matter which setting I use.
> 
> On the other hand, Preview (in OS X 10.9) does NOT have a horizontal
> scroll bar under any setting or scroll activity.

With a JPEG zoomed over window size I get both vertical & horizontal 
scroll bars in OSX 10.9 & Preview 7.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_413.jpg >

...but not so with a PDF, with that there are no scroll bars.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_411.jpg >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52778

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2013-11-28 13:45 +1300
Message-ID<1ld1lzx.1qjn3b7y8zokgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#52735
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-11-26 23:21:08 +0000, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:
> 
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:
> >> 
> >>> In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> >>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
> >>>>> PDF.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> System Preferences / General
> >>> 
> >>> Show scroll bars
> >>> 
> >>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
> >>> 2. When Scrolling
> >>> 3. Always
> >> 
> >> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
> >> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
> >> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.
> > 
> > Works fine here. I have "Always" selected, and Preview is showing a
> > vertical scroll bar even if I zoom out far enough to see the entire
> > document. If I change the setting in System Preferences, the scroll bars
> > appear or disappear immediately in Preview, Finder and most other
> > applications. In older applications (including MacSOUP), the scroll bars
> > are always there no matter which setting I use.
> > 
> > On the other hand, Preview (in OS X 10.9) does NOT have a horizontal
> > scroll bar under any setting or scroll activity.
> 
> With a JPEG zoomed over window size I get both vertical & horizontal 
> scroll bars in OSX 10.9 & Preview 7.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_413.jpg >

Same here - I was trying a PDF, didn't think to try an image file like
JPEG.

> ...but not so with a PDF, with that there are no scroll bars.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_411.jpg >

Is it only affecting some PDFs or are you not getting scroll bars on any
PDF? I get a vertical scroll bar on single and multi-page PDFs at all
zoom levels.

I found a PDF I had which wasn't a standard paper size, and on that PDF
I don't get a vertical scroll bar in Preview, unless I resize the window
vertically at certain zoom levels.

Most of my PDFs are A4 (21 x 29.71 cm), and several are US Letter (21.59
x 27.94 cm).

The particular one which didn't have scroll bars in the initial view was
17.05 x 25.4 cm, and it was a single page.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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