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  Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-25 17:21 -0700
    Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-25 19:06 -0700
      Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 09:16 -0700
        Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 10:02 -0700
          Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 11:12 -0700
            Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 19:17 +0100
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-26 11:21 -0700
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-26 19:26 +0100
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 17:18 -0700
                  Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-26 20:22 -0700
                    Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 23:22 -0700
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 11:47 -0700
            Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-26 11:19 -0700
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 17:19 -0700
            Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 11:43 -0700
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 17:22 -0700
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-26 20:21 -0700
            Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 19:19 +0000
    Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-25 22:50 -0400
      Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-26 09:18 -0700
        Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 16:57 +0000
    Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 11:51 -0400
      Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 10:22 -0700
        Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 13:57 -0400
          Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 11:26 -0700
            Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 18:05 -0400
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 18:17 -0400
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 15:40 -0700
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 19:18 -0400
          Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 13:34 -0700
            Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 18:12 -0400
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 15:21 -0700
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 18:32 -0400
                  Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-04 23:37 +0100
                  Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 15:52 -0700
                    Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-04 19:23 -0400
                      Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 16:43 -0700
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 15:42 -0700
                  Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 15:53 -0700
                    Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 16:30 -0700
                      Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 16:44 -0700
                        Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 18:44 -0700
                          Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-04 19:02 -0700
              Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-04 23:30 +0100
                Re: Startup for Pages, Numbers gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 16:25 -0700

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#74079 — Startup for Pages, Numbers

I note that under Yosemite (10.10.3) and using the newest versions of 
either Pages (5.5.3) or Numbers (3.5.3), when I run the programs they 
open first with a file selector.  I almost never want a file selector 
first, instead preferring a new blank template as identified in 
preferences, for my default activity.  Somewhere through the last 
version of these apps and/or the update of Yosemite, this new default 
activity has started up.

Does anyone know a way to avoid it?

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#74082

In article <201504251721018948-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> I note that under Yosemite (10.10.3) and using the newest versions of 
> either Pages (5.5.3) or Numbers (3.5.3), when I run the programs they 
> open first with a file selector.  I almost never want a file selector 
> first, instead preferring a new blank template as identified in 
> preferences, for my default activity.  Somewhere through the last 
> version of these apps and/or the update of Yosemite, this new default 
> activity has started up.
> 
> Does anyone know a way to avoid it?

Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
get a blank template.

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#74157

On 2015-04-26 02:06:49 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <201504251721018948-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> I note that under Yosemite (10.10.3) and using the newest versions of
>> either Pages (5.5.3) or Numbers (3.5.3), when I run the programs they
>> open first with a file selector.  I almost never want a file selector
>> first, instead preferring a new blank template as identified in
>> preferences, for my default activity.  Somewhere through the last
>> version of these apps and/or the update of Yosemite, this new default
>> activity has started up.
>> 
>> Does anyone know a way to avoid it?
> 
> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
> get a blank template.

That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a 
file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank" 
template.

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#74162

In article <2015042609163381248-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2015-04-26 02:06:49 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
> > In article <201504251721018948-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > 
> >> I note that under Yosemite (10.10.3) and using the newest versions of
> >> either Pages (5.5.3) or Numbers (3.5.3), when I run the programs they
> >> open first with a file selector.  I almost never want a file selector
> >> first, instead preferring a new blank template as identified in
> >> preferences, for my default activity.  Somewhere through the last
> >> version of these apps and/or the update of Yosemite, this new default
> >> activity has started up.
> >> 
> >> Does anyone know a way to avoid it?
> > 
> > Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
> > template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
> > get a blank template.
> 
> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a 
> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank" 
> template.

Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
it saves a step from what you're now doing.

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#74167

On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>> get a blank template.
>> 
>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>> template.
> 
> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
> it saves a step from what you're now doing.

Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.

Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ⌘N is quicker.

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#74169

In article <2015042611125444252-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>
>>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>>> get a blank template.
>>> 
>>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>>> template.
>> 
>> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
>> it saves a step from what you're now doing.
>
>Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
>would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
>quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
>inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.
>
>Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
>grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ?N is quicker.

Is all this to do with the latest Pages (I'm still on Pages 09)? 99% of
the time I want to go straight to File -> Open Recent. Is this
available at application open, or do you have to dismiss the Open File
dialog first? If so, *that* would be irritating.

-- 
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without 
evidence."
-- Christopher Hitchens

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#74171

On 2015-04-26 18:17:42 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> In article <2015042611125444252-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>> 
>>>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>>>> get a blank template.
>>>> 
>>>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>>>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>>>> template.
>>> 
>>> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
>>> it saves a step from what you're now doing.
>> 
>> Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
>> would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
>> quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
>> inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.
>> 
>> Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
>> grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ?N is quicker.
> 
> Is all this to do with the latest Pages (I'm still on Pages 09)? 99% of
> the time I want to go straight to File -> Open Recent. Is this
> available at application open, or do you have to dismiss the Open File
> dialog first? If so, *that* would be irritating.

Open Recent is available...

...as is New...

...there is no need to dismiss the Open dialog; just select New or Open 
Recent and get busy.

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#74173

In article <mhjabv$ima$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<email@domain.com> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 18:17:42 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>
>> In article <2015042611125444252-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>>> 
>>>>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>>>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>>>>> get a blank template.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>>>>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>>>>> template.
>>>> 
>>>> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
>>>> it saves a step from what you're now doing.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
>>> would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
>>> quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
>>> inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.
>>> 
>>> Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
>>> grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ?N is quicker.
>> 
>> Is all this to do with the latest Pages (I'm still on Pages 09)? 99% of
>> the time I want to go straight to File -> Open Recent. Is this
>> available at application open, or do you have to dismiss the Open File
>> dialog first? If so, *that* would be irritating.
>
>Open Recent is available...
>
>...as is New...
>
>...there is no need to dismiss the Open dialog; just select New or Open 
>Recent and get busy.

Righto - thanks.

-- 
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#74238

On 2015-04-26 18:21:52 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> ...there is no need to dismiss the Open dialog; just select New or Open 
> Recent and get busy.

I want a blank template and don't like fishing for a mouse--I like 
opening blanks the way I always have.

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#74273

On 2015-04-27 00:18:45 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-04-26 18:21:52 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> 
>> ...there is no need to dismiss the Open dialog; just select New or Open 
>> Recent and get busy.
> 
> I want a blank template and don't like fishing for a mouse--I like 
> opening blanks the way I always have.

Right.

So set the template to "Blank" in the Preferences, then hit Command-N 
when you launch the app.

Where in that (besides once when you set the preferences) do you need 
to "fish for the mouse"?

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#74287

On 2015-04-27 03:22:07 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> Where in that (besides once when you set the preferences) do you need 
> to "fish for the mouse"?

You got to the party late; read upstream.

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#74176

In article <260420151917425516%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> Is all this to do with the latest Pages (I'm still on Pages 09)? 99% of
> the time I want to go straight to File -> Open Recent. Is this
> available at application open, or do you have to dismiss the Open File
> dialog first? If so, *that* would be irritating.

The dialog is not modal, so you do not have to dismiss/close it before
using the Open Recent menu.

But in my experience, the document I want to edit is in the dialog to
begin with.

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#74170

On 2015-04-26 18:12:54 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
>>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>>> get a blank template.
>>> 
>>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>>> template.
>> 
>> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
>> it saves a step from what you're now doing.
> 
> Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
> would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
> quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
> inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.
> 
> Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
> grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ⌘N is quicker.

Just Command-N is quicker still.

Launch Pages, see Open dialog box, type Command-N.

Done.

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#74239

On 2015-04-26 18:19:28 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> On 2015-04-26 18:12:54 +0000, gtr said:
> 
>> On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>> 
>>>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>>>> get a blank template.
>>>> 
>>>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>>>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>>>> template.
>>> 
>>> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
>>> it saves a step from what you're now doing.
>> 
>> Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
>> would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
>> quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
>> inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.
>> 
>> Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
>> grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ⌘N is quicker.
> 
> Just Command-N is quicker still.
> 
> Launch Pages, see Open dialog box, type Command-N.
> 
> Done.

Okay--that's easy enough.  Thanks.

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#74175

In article <2015042611125444252-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> > Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
> > it saves a step from what you're now doing.
> 
> Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
> would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
> quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
> inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.
> 
> Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
> grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ?N is quicker.

Actually, you can just command-N in that dialog instead of clicking the
button.  I didn't realize that when I wrote the previous message, but I
tried it just now.

Personally, I find the current way more useful because I edit existing
documents more often than creating new ones, so it saves me a step.

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#74241

On 2015-04-26 18:43:38 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> Personally, I find the current way more useful because I edit existing
> documents more often than creating new ones, so it saves me a step.

Sure--that's the way I do it to from time to time and so it's sometimes 
handy.  But even "reload" circumstance I don't keep all my "existing 
documents" in any one folder. So the directory is still rarely useful.  
If I'm editing existing docs while that folder is open, I can simply 
double click them from the Finder, and that's usually what I do with 
serial editing.

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#74272

On 2015-04-27 00:22:17 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-04-26 18:43:38 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
>> Personally, I find the current way more useful because I edit existing
>> documents more often than creating new ones, so it saves me a step.
> 
> Sure--that's the way I do it to from time to time and so it's sometimes 
> handy.  But even "reload" circumstance I don't keep all my "existing 
> documents" in any one folder. So the directory is still rarely useful.  
> If I'm editing existing docs while that folder is open, I can simply 
> double click them from the Finder, and that's usually what I do with 
> serial editing.

And the "Open Recent" sub-menu is available WHILE that dialog is open...

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#74185

In message <2015042611125444252-xxx@yyyzzz> 
  gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2015-04-26 17:02:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

>>>> Preferences --> General --> Use Template; then choose "Blank" from the
>>>> template chooser.  After that, every time you open the app, you will
>>>> get a blank template.
>>> 
>>> That's exactly how it is set up now.  As I sad above.  It opens to a
>>> file selector, I hit esc, then issue a apple-N, it opens a new "Blank"
>>> template.
>> 
>> Lower left corner, click "New Document".  It's not what you want, but
>> it saves a step from what you're now doing.

> Oh, I see.:They were *making things more convenient*.  That sucks.  It 
> would seem that the simplest things, like starting the program, 
> quitting and opening files; these would be the things they'd be most 
> inclined to leave the hell along.  Oh well.

> Actually it saves a numeric step, but is more inconvenient; I have to 
> grab a mouse use my arm and shoulder.  Esc, ⌘N is quicker.

No need for escape.

-- 
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is
possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is
impossible, he is probably wrong.

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#74083

gtr:

> I note that under Yosemite (10.10.3) and using the newest versions of 
> either Pages (5.5.3) or Numbers (3.5.3), when I run the programs they 
> open first with a file selector.  I almost never want a file selector 
> first, instead preferring a new blank template as identified in 
> preferences, for my default activity.  Somewhere through the last 
> version of these apps and/or the update of Yosemite, this new default 
> activity has started up.
> 
> Does anyone know a way to avoid it?

Here's what worked for me in both apps. Go to Preferences > General >
For New Documents and click the radio button "Use template:" and then
choose a default template with the "Change Template" button. Clicking
"Use template" will de-select the "Show Template Chooser" radio button.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#74158

On 2015-04-26 02:50:05 +0000, Davoud said:

> gtr:
> 
>> I note that under Yosemite (10.10.3) and using the newest versions of
>> either Pages (5.5.3) or Numbers (3.5.3), when I run the programs they
>> open first with a file selector.  I almost never want a file selector
>> first, instead preferring a new blank template as identified in
>> preferences, for my default activity.  Somewhere through the last
>> version of these apps and/or the update of Yosemite, this new default
>> activity has started up.
>> 
>> Does anyone know a way to avoid it?
> 
> Here's what worked for me in both apps. Go to Preferences > General >
> For New Documents and click the radio button "Use template:" and then
> choose a default template with the "Change Template" button. Clicking
> "Use template" will de-select the "Show Template Chooser" radio button.

Jesus--did nobody read my post?  That doesn't work more.

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