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  For geeks only Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-24 12:24 -0700
    Re: For geeks only sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-24 20:12 +0000
    Re: For geeks only Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-24 20:48 +0000
      Re: For geeks only tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-24 22:43 +0000
        Re: For geeks only Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-24 22:57 +0000
          Re: For geeks only tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-25 04:05 +0000
      Re: For geeks only Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-24 15:51 -0700
    Re: For geeks only Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 21:17 +0000
      Re: For geeks only Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-24 22:01 +0000
        Re: For geeks only Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-25 00:57 +0000
          Re: For geeks only John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-24 18:41 -0700
            Re: For geeks only Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-24 20:06 -0700
              Re: For geeks only Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-25 06:18 +0000
                Re: For geeks only Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-24 23:39 -0700
                  Re: For geeks only Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-25 09:44 +0000
                    Re: For geeks only Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-25 08:35 -0700
    Re: For geeks only me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-25 13:09 +0000
      Re: For geeks only Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-25 13:35 +0000
      Re: For geeks only Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-25 08:36 -0700
        Re: For geeks only super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2015-03-28 16:09 -0500

#72007 — For geeks only

"Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"

<http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12
228/mac-plus-modern-web/>

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#72011

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:24:46 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
> 
> <http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12
> 228/mac-plus-modern-web/>

LOVE! getting old hardware/software to work in today's world! That is why 
I keep an old IBM PS/2, running OS/2 Warp Connect(still "new" at 1994), 
but I do have an old DOS laptop, a real powerhouse Packard-Bell 486 with 
12megs of ram.  It was my daughter's in college in the middle 90's.  It 
still has all of her old school work on it!  I added a 250meg HDD for her 
school work, and it is running PC-DOS 6.1/WfWG 3.11.
I remember those type of Macs at my school, where the teacher down the 
hall had a Mac class(this was 1987-94).  She had Apple printers and 
everything!  I had a hard time teaching English with the whirring of 
printers and clicking of keyboards coming out of the doors next door!

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#72013

On 2015-03-24, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
>
><http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12
> 228/mac-plus-modern-web/>

Fun stuff. : )

This seems to be a good opportunity to plug Zippy:

<http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>

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#72020

On 2015-03-24, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Fun stuff. : )
>
> This seems to be a good opportunity to plug Zippy:
>
><http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>
>

SO cool that you still have that running.  I love that.

Seriously - people getting this older Macs still working and doing fun stuff
like web browsing.. it's like keeping that old classic car you love still
running.

-- 
It is through symbols that man consciously or unconsciously lives, works
and has his being.
		-- Thomas Carlyle

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#72022

On 2015-03-24, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-24, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Fun stuff. : )
>>
>> This seems to be a good opportunity to plug Zippy:
>>
>><http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>
>
> SO cool that you still have that running.  I love that.
>
> Seriously - people getting this older Macs still working and doing fun stuff
> like web browsing.. it's like keeping that old classic car you love still
> running.

I get a kick out of it. : ) Old Macs bring back lots of good memories.
Before that, most computers were all textual and boring in comparison
(though I admit, I have never really found myself bored with any
technology - even my old TRS-80s : ).

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#72033

On 2015-03-24, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I get a kick out of it. : ) Old Macs bring back lots of good memories.
> Before that, most computers were all textual and boring in comparison
> (though I admit, I have never really found myself bored with any
> technology - even my old TRS-80s : ).
>

Oh I remember.. my first was a Sinclair ZX81 and my second was a //e . 

Couldn't afford one of the earlier Macs back then tho.. :-/

-- 
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means maybe, but don't bet on it.

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#72021

On 3/24/2015 1:48 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-24, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
>>
>> <http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12
>> 228/mac-plus-modern-web/>
>
> Fun stuff. : )
>
> This seems to be a good opportunity to plug Zippy:
>
> <http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>

I see my data! :D
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#72015

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"

> <http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/>

I am surprised at the lack of speed. I know the serial port is slow on
the MacPlus, but still getting text from a web page shouldn't take
minutes. I wonder if there is an issue with the proxy they set up?

I thought about doing something like that for the Mac SE I have, but
then I decided that no, I didn't want to do that.

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#72018

On 2015-03-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
>> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
>
>> <http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/>
>
> I am surprised at the lack of speed. I know the serial port is slow on
> the MacPlus, but still getting text from a web page shouldn't take
> minutes. I wonder if there is an issue with the proxy they set up?

Almost certainly. They are using more than one proxy, and running them
on a slow system at that. 

> I thought about doing something like that for the Mac SE I have, but
> then I decided that no, I didn't want to do that.

I have an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card in my Mac SE/30, and
it's plenty fast, all things considered.

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#72029

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like:
> On 2015-03-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
>>> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
>>
>>> <http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/>
>>
>> I am surprised at the lack of speed. I know the serial port is slow on
>> the MacPlus, but still getting text from a web page shouldn't take
>> minutes. I wonder if there is an issue with the proxy they set up?

> Almost certainly. They are using more than one proxy, and running them
> on a slow system at that. 

>> I thought about doing something like that for the Mac SE I have, but
>> then I decided that no, I didn't want to do that.

> I have an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card in my Mac SE/30, and
> it's plenty fast, all things considered.

Right, but your SE/30 is a MUCH better computer than a MacPlus AND it
has a slot you can add a card. Oh, and it suports much more than 4MB of
RAM.

The SE/30 was Apple's best computer for many many years.

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Hey, baby, I've got just the cure for that penis envy back at my
apartment...

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#72030

On 3/24/15   PDT 5:57 PM, Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like:
>> On 2015-03-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
>>>> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
>>>
>>>> <http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/>
>>>
>>> I am surprised at the lack of speed. I know the serial port is slow on
>>> the MacPlus, but still getting text from a web page shouldn't take
>>> minutes. I wonder if there is an issue with the proxy they set up?
>
>> Almost certainly. They are using more than one proxy, and running them
>> on a slow system at that.
>
>>> I thought about doing something like that for the Mac SE I have, but
>>> then I decided that no, I didn't want to do that.
>
>> I have an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card in my Mac SE/30, and
>> it's plenty fast, all things considered.
>
> Right, but your SE/30 is a MUCH better computer than a MacPlus AND it
> has a slot you can add a card. Oh, and it suports much more than 4MB of
> RAM.
>
> The SE/30 was Apple's best computer for many many years.

I had one, not sure if it had another letter, or they all had them,  but 
it had dual slot drives! Hot machine! Now you could back up your entire 
system and files with ease!

Unfortunately it was the victim of burglars.

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#72031

In article <met3lp$tj1$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Right, but your SE/30 is a MUCH better computer than a MacPlus AND it
> > has a slot you can add a card. Oh, and it suports much more than 4MB of
> > RAM.
> >
> > The SE/30 was Apple's best computer for many many years.
> 
> I had one, not sure if it had another letter, or they all had them,  but 
> it had dual slot drives! Hot machine! Now you could back up your entire 
> system and files with ease!

There were two varieties of the SE/30; one had two floppies, and the
other had one floppy and hone hard drive.

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#72037

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
> In article <met3lp$tj1$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

>> > Right, but your SE/30 is a MUCH better computer than a MacPlus AND it
>> > has a slot you can add a card. Oh, and it suports much more than 4MB of
>> > RAM.
>> >
>> > The SE/30 was Apple's best computer for many many years.
>> 
>> I had one, not sure if it had another letter, or they all had them,  but 
>> it had dual slot drives! Hot machine! Now you could back up your entire 
>> system and files with ease!

> There were two varieties of the SE/30; one had two floppies, and the
> other had one floppy and hone hard drive.

I never had a SE/30. We had a SE FDHD and the SE/30 was too expensive.
By the time I could afford one, I bought a Quadra 660av with a geoport
modem.

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#72040

In article <slrnmh4kqt.50u.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> I never had a SE/30. We had a SE FDHD and the SE/30 was too expensive.
> By the time I could afford one, I bought a Quadra 660av with a geoport
> modem.

I started with a 128K mac, which got upgraded to a 512K and then a Mac
plus.  I bought a 512Ke as a 2nd Mac, and then a used Mac SE from my
employer at the time (Claris) when it was selling off excess equipment. 
When Claris was spun back into Apple, and I became an Apple employee, I
bought a Macintosh IIfx under the employee purchase program.

Further on, I bout a 7100, which I upgraded to a 7600 a few years
later, and bought a 7300 for my then spouse.

My next purchase was a grape iMac (and over time, sold all the others I
had), which I kept until I bought an iMac G4 (the "Pixar" model), and
kept it until I got the first Intel based iMac.  When that one bit the
dust, I got a late 2006 iMac, which I kept until I got a a late 2012
iMac because the 2006 model wouldn't run 10.8.

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#72042

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like:
> In article <slrnmh4kqt.50u.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> I never had a SE/30. We had a SE FDHD and the SE/30 was too expensive.
>> By the time I could afford one, I bought a Quadra 660av with a geoport
>> modem.

> I started with a 128K mac, which got upgraded to a 512K and then a Mac
> plus.  I bought a 512Ke as a 2nd Mac, and then a used Mac SE from my
> employer at the time (Claris) when it was selling off excess equipment. 
> When Claris was spun back into Apple, and I became an Apple employee, I
> bought a Macintosh IIfx under the employee purchase program.

The first computer I bought with my own money was an Apple //e and then a
//gs later which I had until late 2003. My first Mac that I bought was
the Quadra 660av, but the Mac SE had been a family computer for many
years at that point. I loved he 660av and held on to it for several
years past its useful life as I made the move to PowerPC machines.

I used an education discount to buy my first G3 tower, and I upgraded
the crap out of that machine, and the G4 Gigabit Ethernet that followed.

> Further on, I bout a 7100, which I upgraded to a 7600 a few years
> later, and bought a 7300 for my then spouse.

During that period I was trawling the low end performas since I had very
little money.  I found that I could do a rolling purchase where I bought
a, for example, 6400, and then sold it for nearly what I'd paid for it
when the next new shiny thing came along.

> My next purchase was a grape iMac (and over time, sold all the others I
> had), which I kept until I bought an iMac G4 (the "Pixar" model), and
> kept it until I got the first Intel based iMac.  When that one bit the
> dust, I got a late 2006 iMac, which I kept until I got a a late 2012
> iMac because the 2006 model wouldn't run 10.8.

My iLamp iMac was, as it turned out, the most expensive computer I ever
bought because it "forced" to to upgrade every CRT I owned. I remember
one night I had the iMac connected to the 32" Sony Trinitron and was
mirroring a movie to it and I was watching the movie on the iMac's
screen instead.

I bought a 720p projector and a screen and a whole bunch of flat panels
for my computers and basically have avoided CRTs ever since.

I did recently have to find a 15" CRT to put in the rack at the office
because I didn't want to spend any money at all on a flat screen that I
would use once or twice a year. I got the CRT for $5 at Goodwill or ARC,
and then it was half price day.

Right now, I 'own' more computers than I ever have before. A 2012 iMac,
4 minis of various vintages, a 2009 iMac (or maybe 2010, I forget), two
MacBooks, Two Macbook Pros, 3 white box Pcs and one quad core i7
Wintendo. And I just ordered a new MacBook Pro so... That's 15? Oh, and
the chromebook.

I say 'own' because technically I bought one iMac for the kid and the
older iMac is not technically mine, but it's in the house and I'm in
charge of it completely, so...

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It was where the city kept all those things it occasionally needed but
was uneasy about, like the Watch-house, the theatres, the prison and the
publishers. It was the place for all those things which might go off
bang in unexpected ways.

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#72049

In article <slrnmh50ud.5v4.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > I started with a 128K mac, which got upgraded to a 512K and then a Mac
> > plus.  I bought a 512Ke as a 2nd Mac, and then a used Mac SE from my
> > employer at the time (Claris) when it was selling off excess equipment. 
> > When Claris was spun back into Apple, and I became an Apple employee, I
> > bought a Macintosh IIfx under the employee purchase program.
> 
> The first computer I bought with my own money was an Apple //e and then a
> //gs later which I had until late 2003. 

My first-ever computer was an Apple ][; for some unknown reason, I
remember the date I purchased it:  October 13, 1978.  I got a loan from
the local credit union to buy it; it was the firs loan they ever made
for the purpose of buying a personal computer.  I upgraded it to a ][+.
and later sold it and bought a //e.  Subsequent to that, I won a //c in
a sales contest, and traded the //e for store credit at a comic-book
store.

Then I bought the Mac 128K.

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#72046

In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm

You left out the good folks at comp.sys.mac.vintage. They would looooove 
this.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#72047

On 2015-03-25, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
> Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
>
> You left out the good folks at comp.sys.mac.vintage. They would looooove 
> this.

True, that.

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#72050

In article <meuc2q$ms9$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > "Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web"
> 
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
> Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
> 
> You left out the good folks at comp.sys.mac.vintage. They would looooove 
> this.

I didn't even know that such a newsgroup existed.  You may forward that
message there if you like.

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#72258

LC (1991) --> IIsi (1997) --> PowerMac 5400 (2001) --> iMac Snow (2006) 
--> Power Mac G4 M8573LL (2013-present) (still a slow adapter, lol).

I had that PowerMac 5400 logging on to the Net as recent as about 4 
years ago until the ISP finally quit supporting the FreePPP software.

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