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  Next update of Mac Mini? "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2014-03-22 16:07 -0500
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-22 23:02 +0000
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-23 12:09 +1200
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-23 12:11 -0400
        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-23 21:10 -0400
          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-24 16:09 +1200
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-23 09:06 -0400
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-03-23 19:00 -0400
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2014-03-24 20:46 -0500
        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 11:02 -0400
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-03-23 19:30 -0400
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-24 13:11 +1200
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:40 +0000
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-24 13:27 +1300
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-23 22:55 -0400
        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-23 20:12 -0700
          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-24 04:42 -0400
            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 09:01 +1200
              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-25 09:28 +1300
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 13:24 +1200
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-25 13:56 +1300
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:03 +0000
                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-26 13:34 +1300
              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-24 17:01 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-24 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-24 19:15 -0400
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 13:31 +1200
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:10 +0000
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 13:18 +1200
            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 18:16 +1200
              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-25 05:14 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-25 10:19 +0000
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:05 +0000
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 11:14 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 11:11 -0400
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:01 +0000
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 19:37 -0400
                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 08:30 -0400
                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-03-26 09:04 -0400
                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 09:33 -0400
                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-26 16:20 -0400
                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 19:31 -0400
                            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-26 19:59 -0400
                              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-26 20:22 -0400
                                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-26 20:30 -0400
                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 20:35 -0400
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-27 13:52 +1200
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:46 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-27 13:45 +0000
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-27 18:27 +0000
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 15:07 -0400
                                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 15:41 -0400
                                            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 06:06 +0000
                                              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-28 09:28 -0400
                                                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:50 +0000
                                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-28 10:08 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-27 17:30 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-27 21:59 +0000
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-02 23:14 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-03 16:37 +1200
                                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 12:47 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-03 06:22 +0000
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:59 -0400
                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:57 -0400
                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:57 -0400
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:44 -0400
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 15:03 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-27 17:31 -0400
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-27 17:28 -0400
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 19:49 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-26 08:20 +1200

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#58070 — Next update of Mac Mini?

Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.

Thanks

-- 
Ed H.

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#58071

In message <220320141607023474%fake@notreal.net> 
  Ed H. <fake@notreal.net> wrote:

> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> Mini?

Sure, assuming you are not counting on it. There is no certainty that
there will be a new Mac mini this year. Or ever.

-- 
And she was lying in the grass
And she could hear the highway breathing
And she could see a nearby factory
She's making sure she is not dreaming

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#58072

In article <220320141607023474%fake@notreal.net>, Ed H.
<fake@notreal.net> wrote:
>
> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.
> 
> Thanks

Nobody (or at least nobody who can tell you) knows when the next update
will be, but the Mac Mini is overdue for an update - it was last
updated in October 2012 and is a bit behind the other Mac models in
being updated to Haswell chips..

There was a rumour of an update by the end of February, but that
obviously didn't happen. *If* that was based on some fact, then it may
have been delayed due to over-stocking of the existing model or some
technical issue*, and the update may happen "soon".

* It's probably doubtful it will see any major change to its design,
although a switch to SSD and an even thinner case is a possibility.

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#58084

On 2014.03.22, 20:09 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <220320141607023474%fake@notreal.net>, Ed H.
> <fake@notreal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
>> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Nobody (or at least nobody who can tell you) knows when the next update
> will be, but the Mac Mini is overdue for an update - it was last
> updated in October 2012 and is a bit behind the other Mac models in
> being updated to Haswell chips..
>
> There was a rumour of an update by the end of February, but that
> obviously didn't happen. *If* that was based on some fact, then it may
> have been delayed due to over-stocking of the existing model or some
> technical issue*, and the update may happen "soon".
>
> * It's probably doubtful it will see any major change to its design,
> although a switch to SSD and an even thinner case is a possibility.

- SSD is all but certain as a sole option - may even be PCIe
- Elimination of Firewire - likely
- dual Thunderbolt ports - likely
- fewer USB 3.0 ports - possible
- elimination of the SDXC slot - possible

Integrated "Apple TV" mode (s/w) - possible

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   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
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#58092

On 14-03-23 12:11, Alan Browne wrote:

> - SSD is all but certain as a sole option - may even be PCIe
> - Elimination of Firewire - likely
> - dual Thunderbolt ports - likely
> - fewer USB 3.0 ports - possible
> - elimination of the SDXC slot - possible
> 
> Integrated "Apple TV" mode (s/w) - possible


The timing of release would depend on the timing of Intel making
available a new chip in volume.

If Apple doesn't intend up upgrade a model every year, then upgrades
will try to catch the latest Intel chip to give the model a longer life.
So if delaying release by a couple of months means they get a newer
chip, then they will wait.

It also depends on what role/market Apple wants for the Mini.  That
would dictate the features and types of plugs available on it. (server
vs desktop).

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#58096

In article <532f860e$0$33583$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-03-23 12:11, Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> > - SSD is all but certain as a sole option - may even be PCIe
> > - Elimination of Firewire - likely
> > - dual Thunderbolt ports - likely
> > - fewer USB 3.0 ports - possible
> > - elimination of the SDXC slot - possible
> > 
> > Integrated "Apple TV" mode (s/w) - possible
> 
> The timing of release would depend on the timing of Intel making
> available a new chip in volume.
> 
> If Apple doesn't intend up upgrade a model every year, then upgrades
> will try to catch the latest Intel chip to give the model a longer life.
> So if delaying release by a couple of months means they get a newer
> chip, then they will wait.
> 
> It also depends on what role/market Apple wants for the Mini.  That
> would dictate the features and types of plugs available on it. (server
> vs desktop).

At the moment the Mac Mini is placed in both the server and desktop
categories. Apple has been quietly pushing the Server version (with two
hard drives installed) as the replacement for the discontinued XServe.

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#58075

In article <220320141607023474%fake@notreal.net>, Ed H.
<fake@notreal.net> wrote:

> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.

the mac mini is long overdue for an update (it's still not haswell), so
it can be any time. people have been expecting an update since *last*
wwdc.

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#58087

On 3/22/14, 5:07 PM, Ed H. wrote:
>
> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.
>
> Thanks
>
MacRumors has been saying that since the middle of last year. I made the 
mistake of taking their advice. I waited, and waited, and waited....

Finally I decided I needed the Mini more than I needed the next version 
of the Mini. I got one. It does what I need. I only wish I had gotten it 
sooner. That way I would have had the use of it for several more months 
before it will inevitably become obsolete.

YMMV.

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#58115

In article <nZGdnebL9u0F-rLOnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ed Anson
<EdAnson@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 3/22/14, 5:07 PM, Ed H. wrote:
> >
> > Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> > Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> MacRumors has been saying that since the middle of last year. I made the 
> mistake of taking their advice. I waited, and waited, and waited....
> 
> Finally I decided I needed the Mini more than I needed the next version 
> of the Mini. I got one. It does what I need. I only wish I had gotten it 
> sooner. That way I would have had the use of it for several more months 
> before it will inevitably become obsolete.
> 
> YMMV.

I might end up doing the same thing.

-- 
Ed H.

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#58126

On 2014.03.24, 21:46 , Ed H. wrote:
> In article <nZGdnebL9u0F-rLOnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ed Anson
> <EdAnson@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/14, 5:07 PM, Ed H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
>>> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>> MacRumors has been saying that since the middle of last year. I made the
>> mistake of taking their advice. I waited, and waited, and waited....
>>
>> Finally I decided I needed the Mini more than I needed the next version
>> of the Mini. I got one. It does what I need. I only wish I had gotten it
>> sooner. That way I would have had the use of it for several more months
>> before it will inevitably become obsolete.
>>
>> YMMV.
>
> I might end up doing the same thing.

Unless you have a pressing need, I'd wait. This is against the CW but I 
suspect the next Mac Mini will be exceptionally high

- value / $
- performance / litre
- performance / Kg
- performance / watt.

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
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#58088

On 3/22/14 5:07 PM, Ed H. wrote:
> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.

I'm going to -guess- that Apple might have originally begun 
development of the Haswell-based Mini, then decided that the 
resulting product wouldn't be "enough of a step forward" 
from the current (i.e., "late 2012) one. So, they set their 
sights on a "Broadwell version" of the Mini, but hasn't the 
Broadwell release timeline been pushed back a bit?

I hope they don't try to "shrink" the Mini's form factor to 
anything smaller than it is now. To do so, looks to me like 
they'd have to start "dropping ports" from the design.

Also, since the Mini has gained acceptance for many server 
setups, seems to me they need to keep it somewhat "user 
accessible" and also provide for user-changeable drives and 
memory -- to suit server administrators.

I would expect that the upcoming Mini would drop the 
firewire port in favor of two thunderbolt ports. Although I 
-prefer- the direct firewire port on the late-2012, as I 
still have a number of things that can connect to it.

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#58089

In article <532f6e79$0$14062$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 3/22/14 5:07 PM, Ed H. wrote:
> > Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> > Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.
> 
> I'm going to -guess- that Apple might have originally begun 
> development of the Haswell-based Mini, then decided that the 
> resulting product wouldn't be "enough of a step forward" 
> from the current (i.e., "late 2012) one. So, they set their 
> sights on a "Broadwell version" of the Mini, but hasn't the 
> Broadwell release timeline been pushed back a bit?
> 
> I hope they don't try to "shrink" the Mini's form factor to 
> anything smaller than it is now. To do so, looks to me like 
> they'd have to start "dropping ports" from the design.
> 
> Also, since the Mini has gained acceptance for many server 
> setups, seems to me they need to keep it somewhat "user 
> accessible" and also provide for user-changeable drives and 
> memory -- to suit server administrators.
> 
> I would expect that the upcoming Mini would drop the 
> firewire port in favor of two thunderbolt ports. Although I 
> -prefer- the direct firewire port on the late-2012, as I 
> still have a number of things that can connect to it.

They could make a new Mac Mini based on the Apple TV and call it the
"Mac Micro", or perhaps take it back to the Apple I kitset-style roots
and call it the "Apple Pi".  ;-)

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#58093

In message <532f6e79$0$14062$862e30e2@ngroups.net> 
  John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> On 3/22/14 5:07 PM, Ed H. wrote:
>> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
>> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.

> I'm going to -guess- that Apple might have originally begun 
> development of the Haswell-based Mini, then decided that the 
> resulting product wouldn't be "enough of a step forward" 
> from the current (i.e., "late 2012) one. So, they set their 
> sights on a "Broadwell version" of the Mini, but hasn't the 
> Broadwell release timeline been pushed back a bit?

Oh, I very much doubt that Broadwell has anything to do with the mini.

> I hope they don't try to "shrink" the Mini's form factor to 
> anything smaller than it is now. To do so, looks to me like 
> they'd have to start "dropping ports" from the design.

They will probably make it a little smaller, possibly be eliminating one
USB port and the SD card.

> Also, since the Mini has gained acceptance for many server 
> setups, seems to me they need to keep it somewhat "user 
> accessible" and also provide for user-changeable drives and 
> memory -- to suit server administrators.

Why would they do that?

> I would expect that the upcoming Mini would drop the 
> firewire port in favor of two thunderbolt ports. Although I 
> -prefer- the direct firewire port on the late-2012, as I 
> still have a number of things that can connect to it.

The mini has HDMI and Thunderbolt AND FW800. I could see them leaving
these ports alone, but I could also see them going to HDMI and two
thunderbolts or even two thunderbolts and a FW800.

-- 
One by one the bulbs burned out, like long lives come to their expected
ends.

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#58090

Ed H. <fake@notreal.net> wrote:

> Is the WWDC in June the most likely time for an announced update to the
> Mini? I'm wanting to buy one but MacRumors says to wait.

I'm of the opinion that the Mini is skipping a generation, like it did
in 2008, and the next model is still a few months away.

In the Intel era, when the Mac Mini is updated it has happened within
about a month of an iMac update (if not on the same day). There was no
Mac Mini update around late 2013 (when the iMac was last updated), so an
update to the Mac Mini around now would be a break in the pattern,
unless Apple were to do a minor spec bump iMac update at the same time.

Early 2006: iMac (Jan), Mac Mini (Feb)
Late 2006: iMac (Sep), Mac Mini (Sep)
Mid 2007: iMac (Aug), Mac Mini (Aug)
Early 2008: iMac (Apr), no update of Mac Mini
Early 2009: iMac (Mar), Mac Mini (Mar)
Late 2009: iMac (Oct), Mac Mini (Oct)
Mid 2010: iMac (Jul), Mac Mini (Jun)
Mid 2011: iMac (May), Mac Mini (Jul)
Late 2012: iMac (Oct), Mac Mini (Oct)
Late 2013: iMac (Sep), no update of Mac Mini (now six months late)

In addition, the core architecture of the Mini since the Late 2009
series has been based on the preceding 13" MacBook Pro: the design work
was already done for what was the most popular Mac model, and some of
that design work could be reused for the cheapest Mac model.

There hasn't been an update to the non-retina MacBook Pro since Mid
2012, so there hasn't been an updated core architecture on which to base
a newer Mac Mini since Late 2012, unless Apple uses a different notebook
model as the basis for the next Mac Mini.

I'm expecting no Mac Mini update until around the next iMac update,
which will probably be Late 2014. That should be late enough that Apple
will have already released the next MacBook Air and MacBook Pro (using
Broadwell processors), and a Late 2014 Mac Mini could be based on the
architecture of the next 13" MacBook Pro with Retina Display, e.g. using
a PCIe SSD module instead of 2.5" SSD, which might mean dropping one of
the 2.5" drive bays and changing the body design.

If Apple were to release a Mac Mini before Late 2014, it is more likely
to be a minor refresh with Haswell processors instead of Ivy Bridge,
with only minor if any changes to the body. This would be a badly timed
update, since Haswell has been available for at least six months, and
Broadwell is coming soon. The only significant benefits of such an
update would be better integrated graphics, and probably Thunderbolt 2.

Broadwell's main benefit is likely to be even better graphics and/or
lower power consumption, which could allow the Mini to be redesigned
even smaller (but the internal power supply and space required for the
connectors are limiting factors).

In either scenario, I would not be surprised to see the demise of the
Firewire port (replacing it with a second Thunderbolt port), so if you
want Firewire, there is an advantage to getting the current Mini rather
than waiting for the next one.

I wouldn't expect either possible variant of the next Mini to be worthy
of a media event. It would just be available for purchase and be
mentioned in a press release. Therefore don't expect any particular
timing (such as WWDC).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#58094

On 14-03-23 20:27, David Empson wrote:

> I wouldn't expect either possible variant of the next Mini to be worthy
> of a media event. It would just be available for purchase and be
> mentioned in a press release. Therefore don't expect any particular
> timing (such as WWDC).

If the Mini has had lacklustre sales and serves just a niche, a
incremental upgrade will get the treatment as above.

But it is also posisble that Apple will want to re-invent/re-task the
Mac Mini, at which point it would be part of a major announcement.

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#58097

In article <532f9e9c$0$46367$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> But it is also posisble that Apple will want to re-invent/re-task the
> Mac Mini, at which point it would be part of a major announcement.

It's also possible that Apple will upgrade the mini and cancel the
iMac, letting the mini fill that slot in Apple's product lineup.

Improbable, you say?  So is your possibility.

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#58098

On 14-03-23 23:12, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Improbable, you say?  So is your possibility.

People were saying the Xserve sales were good. Jobs decided they were
not and killed the server business.

So if Apple isn't happy with the future of Mac Mini, they could do what
they did to the Xserve and just exit that market.


Remember that Apple has its own idea of what the future will be like and
forges ahead with that idea. (getting rid of optical media, getting rid
of servers, firewire etc etc)

What if the Mac Mini is not part of Apple's vision for the future ?


On the other hand, they let the Mac Pro languish for years and brought
it back, albeit as an diskless appliance.


Personally, what I think is missing from Apple's "diskless" lineup is a
central file server. Mac Nini doesn't have the physical size to be a
storage engine. Having a file server product would complement the now
diskless Mac Pro and the iMacs that are going SSDs.

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#58099

In article <532fefd9$0$61371$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
> ... Mac Nini ...

Is that a cross between a Mac Mini and a Mac Nano?? 
Or is it a Mac for stupid users (ninnies)??  ;-)




> ... doesn't have the physical size to be a storage engine.
> Having a file server product would complement the now diskless Mac 
> Pro and the iMacs that are going SSDs.

The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.

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#58100

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <532fefd9$0$61371$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> <snip>
> > ... doesn't have the physical size to be a storage engine.
> > Having a file server product would complement the now diskless Mac 
> > Pro and the iMacs that are going SSDs.
> 
> The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
> may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.

Not really.

Drive replacement in the Mac Mini is not a task for which Apple has
supplied instructions so their intention is that drive replacement is
only done by authorised service agents.

The process of extracting the drives in the current body requires some
disassembly for the first drive and substantial disassembly for the
second drive.

There is limited scope for upgrading to bigger drives as the Mac Mini
uses 2.5" drive mechanisms. Capacity increases for 2.5" drives seem to
be taking a long time. The current Mac Mini came with 1 TB drives about
18 months ago, and I can only find one larger capacity drive available
now as a bare mechanism: Hitachi has a 1.5 TB drive. Everyone else still
maxes out at 1 TB (ignoring WD's hybrid Black2, which doesn't support
Macs, and is only 1 TB HD + 120 MB SSD so the main benefit is speed).

The obvious method of expanding storage for a Mac Mini Server is to
connect an external multi-drive bay, same as every other current Mac.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#58110

In article <1lj2402.1yxtq771vwwymjN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David
Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <532fefd9$0$61371$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > 
> > <snip>
> > > ... doesn't have the physical size to be a storage engine.
> > > Having a file server product would complement the now diskless Mac 
> > > Pro and the iMacs that are going SSDs.
> > 
> > The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
> > may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.
> 
> Not really.
> 
> Drive replacement in the Mac Mini is not a task for which Apple has
> supplied instructions so their intention is that drive replacement is
> only done by authorised service agents.
> 
> The process of extracting the drives in the current body requires some
> disassembly for the first drive and substantial disassembly for the
> second drive.
> 
> There is limited scope for upgrading to bigger drives as the Mac Mini
> uses 2.5" drive mechanisms. Capacity increases for 2.5" drives seem to
> be taking a long time. The current Mac Mini came with 1 TB drives about
> 18 months ago, and I can only find one larger capacity drive available
> now as a bare mechanism: Hitachi has a 1.5 TB drive. Everyone else still
> maxes out at 1 TB (ignoring WD's hybrid Black2, which doesn't support
> Macs, and is only 1 TB HD + 120 MB SSD so the main benefit is speed).
> 
> The obvious method of expanding storage for a Mac Mini Server is to
> connect an external multi-drive bay, same as every other current Mac.

I'm not sure where you're looking, but a quick Google search turns up
quite a few 2TB 2.5" hard drives from Western Digital, Seagate, and
others ... whether they all "support Macs" and heppily would work in a
Mac Mini is a different question though.

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