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  old laser printer question jt august <starsabre@att.net> - 2013-11-23 11:27 -0600
    Re: old laser printer question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-23 17:54 +0000
      Re: old laser printer question Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-23 13:17 -0500
      Re: old laser printer question Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-23 11:21 -0800
    Re: old laser printer question Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-23 11:17 -0800
      Re: old laser printer question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-02 22:59 +1300
    Re: old laser printer question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-23 17:52 -0700
      Re: old laser printer question jt august <starsabre@att.net> - 2013-11-30 20:52 -0600
    Re: old laser printer question Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> - 2013-12-01 15:04 -0800
      Re: old laser printer question "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-12-02 07:34 +0000
        Re: old laser printer question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-03 11:20 +1300
          Re: old laser printer question "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-12-03 04:44 +0000
      Re: old laser printer question christian130530@ghanart.org (Christian) - 2013-12-02 19:18 +0100
    Re: old laser printer question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-12-02 20:47 +1300

#52543 — old laser printer question

I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.

I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
good.

jt

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#52545

On 2013-11-23, jt august <starsabre@att.net> wrote:
> I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
>
> I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> good.

Ask the folks in comp.sys.mac.vintage. No doubt someone will want to take
them off your hands. You might also check in these groups:

comp.sys.mac.printing
comp.sys.mac.wanted
comp.sys.mac.misc
comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc

Whatever you do, please don't just chuck them into the garbage. Someone
out there can and will gladly use them!

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#52548

On 11-23-2013, 12:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Whatever you do, please don't just chuck them into the garbage. Someone
> out there can and will gladly use them!

And dependent on the laxity of enforcement in your area, you could be 
prosecuted for "improper disposal of hazardous materials."

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “But, Professor! I didn't plagiarize! I paid someone to
    write the essay for me, and that person plagiarized!"
               — from http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com

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#52553

In article <bfc8faFpl7tU4@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-11-23, jt august <starsabre@att.net> wrote:
> > I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> > other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> >
> > I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> > these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> > real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> > good.
> 
> Ask the folks in comp.sys.mac.vintage. No doubt someone will want to take
> them off your hands. You might also check in these groups:
> 
> comp.sys.mac.printing
> comp.sys.mac.wanted
> comp.sys.mac.misc
> comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc
> 
> Whatever you do, please don't just chuck them into the garbage. Someone
> out there can and will gladly use them!

OTOH, My LaserWriter Pro that I finally dumped was because it not be 
fixed (no one made the rubber rollers any more to rehab the entire 
internals of the printer, according to Apple).  I'd gotten 7 years out 
of it, so I wasn't complaining.  It weighed a good 70 lbs. and would 
have cost more to ship anywhere than to just take it to recycling.  
Apparently Apple prepays for all their stuff to be recycled.

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#52552

In article <starsabre-7A9304.11270823112013@news.solani.org>,
 jt august <starsabre@att.net> wrote:

> I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> 
> I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> good.
> 
> jt

Recycle them.  The last version of MacOS that could use AppleTalk (not 
AppleTalk over Ethernet) was 10.5, according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk

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#52915

Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <starsabre-7A9304.11270823112013@news.solani.org>,
>  jt august <starsabre@att.net> wrote:
> 
> > I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the
> > other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> > 
> > I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate
> > these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only
> > real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of
> > good.
> > 
> > jt
> 
> Recycle them.  The last version of MacOS that could use AppleTalk (not
> AppleTalk over Ethernet) was 10.5, according to Wikipedia.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk

If one really wants to use them, though, it's no stretch to have an
older version of OS X on any spare Mac to share the printer from. Waste
not, want not I say :-)
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52570

In article <starsabre-7A9304.11270823112013@news.solani.org>, jt august
<starsabre@att.net> wrote:

> I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> 
> I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> good.
> 
> jt

www.freecycle.org

-- Michelle

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#52880

In article <231120131752405316%foo@bar.com>,
 Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:

> In article <starsabre-7A9304.11270823112013@news.solani.org>, jt august
> <starsabre@att.net> wrote:
> 
> > I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> > other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> > 
> > I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> > these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> > real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> > good.
> > 
> > jt
> 
> www.freecycle.org

The person who gave them to me offered them on FreeCycle four times 
before he offered them to me directly.  FreeCycle is good for many 
things, but even it has its limits.

I was hoping someone had a great idea I had not thought of in this 
forum.  Guess these are just spent.  Pity.

I'll try the vintage group before I give up the ghost.

jt

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#52907

If you are near an Apple Store, you might call them and see if they will 
accept the devices for recycling.  Apple has a program for recycling 
their old products, but I don't know if it includes things this old.

You might also check into local charities like Salvation Army, etc.  
I've donated old computers to a local non-profit. This is "Real Change" 
in Seattle, which publishes a weekly newspaper, staffed by homeless 
people.  They use donated equipment to produce the paper, and also to 
train their staff in repair work, retail, and other job skills.

It's a pity to throw out those old Apple LaserWriters.  I ran a 
LaserWriter 600 for many years.  It had a genuine Adobe PostScript 
engine, and produced better looking type and graphics than the H-P 
LaserJet that replaced it.  But the old machines are slow compared to 
recent ones.

I wonder if you could still use an ethernet-to-LocalTalk adapter to run 
the old LaserWriters.  They still show up on the web, for example:

http://www.amazon.com/Asante-Talk-Ethernet-LocalTalk-Bridge/dp/B00004VUFW

You probably won't find a custom driver that will work on OS X.  But if 
they have PostScript, maybe they can be run as a generic PostScript 
device.

In article <starsabre-7A9304.11270823112013@news.solani.org>,
 jt august <starsabre@att.net> wrote:

> I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> 
> I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> good.

-- 
Julian Vrieslander

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#52912

Julian Vrieslander wrote:
>
> I wonder if you could still use an ethernet-to-LocalTalk adapter to run 
> the old LaserWriters.  They still show up on the web, for example:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Asante-Talk-Ethernet-LocalTalk-Bridge/dp/B00004VUFW
>
> You probably won't find a custom driver that will work on OS X.  But if 
> they have PostScript, maybe they can be run as a generic PostScript 
> device.


I don't have one to test, but this probably would work.

1. Get a Mac with both LocalTalk and ethernet ports.

2. Run the bridge software that used to be available to bridge the 
   networks. There were two versions, an expensive one which did 
   general ip over localtalk routing, and one specific for laserwriters.
   Obvioulsy I have forgotten the name, someone else may remember it.

3. Set up a linux system running Netatalk, and CUPS.

Print to the printer from really old Macs, using localtalk.

Print to the printer on newer Macs using ethernet based AppleTalk.

Print to the printer using Netatalk, from Linux, Windows, and modern Macs.

Geoff.

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#52921

Geoffrey S. Mendelson <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

> Julian Vrieslander wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if you could still use an ethernet-to-LocalTalk adapter to run
> > the old LaserWriters.  They still show up on the web, for example:
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Asante-Talk-Ethernet-LocalTalk-Bridge/dp/B00004VUFW
> >
> > You probably won't find a custom driver that will work on OS X.  But if
> > they have PostScript, maybe they can be run as a generic PostScript
> > device.
> 
> 
> I don't have one to test, but this probably would work.
> 
> 1. Get a Mac with both LocalTalk and ethernet ports.
> 
> 2. Run the bridge software that used to be available to bridge the 
>    networks. There were two versions, an expensive one which did 
>    general ip over localtalk routing, and one specific for laserwriters.
>    Obvioulsy I have forgotten the name, someone else may remember it.

LaserWriter Bridge was the printer-only variant, LocalTalk Bridge the
fully featured version.

> 3. Set up a linux system running Netatalk, and CUPS.
> 
> Print to the printer from really old Macs, using localtalk.
> 
> Print to the printer on newer Macs using ethernet based AppleTalk.

That works up to Mac OS X 10.5, since later versions dropped all
remaining support for the AppleTalk protocol stack.

(10.5 dropped file sharing over AppleTalk but still supporting printing
over AppleTalk.)

> Print to the printer using Netatalk, from Linux, Windows, and modern Macs.

Did you mean to say CUPS rather than Netatalk there?

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#52928

David Empson wrote:
>> Print to the printer using Netatalk, from Linux, Windows, and modern Macs.
>
> Did you mean to say CUPS rather than Netatalk there?
>

New Mac --> CUPS --> Netstalk --> bridge --> printer.

CUPS and Netatalk run on the same Linux system. 

You still need Netstalk to speak to the printer.

Geoff.
-- 
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#52916

Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> wrote:

> I wonder if you could still use an ethernet-to-LocalTalk adapter to run
> the old LaserWriters.  They still show up on the web, for example:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Asante-Talk-Ethernet-LocalTalk-Bridge/dp/B00004VUFW

No, this on't work with any of the newer OS X versions. It converts
"EtherTalk" to "LocalTalk" and does not understand TCP/IP. Since Apple
dropped EtherTalk in OS X 10.6, no chance to use it on anything higher
than 10.5.

The LaserWriter has a serial connector which you may be able to use in
later OS X versions. Try to get a printserver which can translate TCP/IP
to serial, and a cable to connect the printserver's serial port (PC
style) to Apple's miniDIN style port. I am not sure whether such
printservers are at all available used or new nowadays. 

Christian 

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#52913

jt august <starsabre@att.net> wrote:

> I was recently given two old Apple LaserWriters.  One is an NT, the 
> other a Personal 320.  Neither have ethernet ports, just localTalk.
> 
> I can't use them.  Does anyone know of anyplace I can give or donate 
> these where they can actually be used, or is tech recycling the only 
> real option.  They seem to work fine, they just don't do me a bit of 
> good.
> 
> jt

I'm in NZ so I can't help you, but those are two old workhorses that
still do a fine job today, if you can find a working localtalk to
ethernet adaptor or old Mac to run them from (and don't mind associated
hassles in getting the print job where it needs to go, now old
communication protocols have been removed from newer versions of OS X).
But I'm only telling you what you already know. I just wanted to express
how much I like those old LaserWriters. They built them to last, it
seems. A rare thing nowadays in tech.
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