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  Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 13:47 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:28 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 15:23 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:49 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 16:36 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:53 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:26 -0500
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:05 +0200
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 16:10 +1200
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:50 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 01:10 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 01:49 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:40 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 19:01 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:20 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:09 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:26 -0400
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-22 10:25 +0100
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:06 +1000
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 15:15 -0700
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:35 +1000
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-24 07:57 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 16:53 -0400
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 14:01 -0700
                    iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 15:13 -0700
                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:27 -0700
                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 19:08 -0400
                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple   High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 16:54 -0700
                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:45 -0400
                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:30 -0700
                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:57 -0400
                            Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:17 -0700
                              Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:47 -0400
                                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:55 -0700
                                  Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:08 -0400
                                    Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 11:44 -0700
                                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 15:31 -0400
                                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:46 -0700
                                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 19:23 -0400
                                            Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 19:53 -0700
                                              Re: Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-28 19:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-23 21:10 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:42 -0700
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-23 14:39 -0700
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:32 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:51 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-24 16:46 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:12 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-24 17:16 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:13 -0400
                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 09:41 -0700
                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:00 -0400
                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 10:47 -0700
                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:12 -0400
                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 11:16 -0700
                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:51 -0400
                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:37 -0400
                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:51 -0400
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-25 16:56 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:13 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:12 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:17 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-26 18:20 -0700
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:48 -0700
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 17:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 18:14 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 22:23 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 19:53 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 12:58 +1000
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 20:28 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 13:20 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 13:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:05 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:19 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:37 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-25 23:18 +0100
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 09:57 +1000
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-26 13:27 +0100
                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:33 -0400
                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:53 -0400
                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 17:48 -0700
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:23 -0400
                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-25 20:23 -0700
                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:48 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:31 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 21:59 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-22 16:03 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-23 01:50 +0000
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 15:37 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:48 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:00 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:38 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:51 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:58 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 17:13 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 19:24 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> - 2012-08-20 18:52 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:42 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:34 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:44 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:15 +0200
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-21 07:54 -0600
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:08 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:30 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-22 13:09 +1200
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:04 -0500
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> - 2012-08-20 19:19 -0500
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 15:54 +0100
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 13:59 -0400

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#29778 — Apple High End DSLR?

Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?

August 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
Yes, I'd buy one
 27.27%  (945 votes)
 
No, iPhone's camera is good enough
 53.59%  (1,857 votes)
 
Other/See comments
 3.87%  (134 votes)
 
Yes! but I'm happy with what I have.
 15.27%  (529 votes)
 
Total Votes: 3,465

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iLounge reported in May that Apple is allegedly working on a “standalone 
digital camera, specifically a point-and-shoot model.” The website further 
said the device would deliver an image quality far beyond what the iPhone 
and iPad could deliver and attributed its information to 
sources, camera-related job openings at Apple, a re-trademarked iSight 
filing, and Walter Isaacson’s biography on Apple’s late cofounder. 
According to Isaacson, Steve Jobs named photography as one of three 
industries that he wanted to transform.
With that said, a camera would be a decidedly high-end market that Apple is 
seen exiting post haste (see Mac Pro, etc.). A REAL CAMERA with iOS camera 
apps would seem cool, but Apple does not take this type of high-volume 
market seriously. Most people are perfectly content with the amazing iPhone 
camera…and the new iPhone’s camera can only get better.

Read more at 
http://9to5mac.com/2012/08/20/should-apple-build-an-ios-high-end-point-and-s
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#29782

On 2012-08-20 16:47 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?

P&S and "prosumer" DSLR are two different domains entirely.

That said I could see Apple making a P&S - even a very good one as long 
as they choose a good optics package.

I can's see them making a DSLR.  That is a whole different beast where 
the optics are far more important than anything else.  OTOH if they 
teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that 
could get traction ...

... as long as the camera function dominated the operation of the 
device, that is.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29789

In article <692dnZxJFpV-Nq_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> > Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?
> 
> P&S and "prosumer" DSLR are two different domains entirely.
> 
> That said I could see Apple making a P&S - even a very good one as long 
> as they choose a good optics package.

it's possible. there's already talk of android based cameras. apple
really needs to partner with established camera companies though.

> I can's see them making a DSLR.  That is a whole different beast where 
> the optics are far more important than anything else.  OTOH if they 
> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that 
> could get traction ...

there's no way they can make a successful dslr unless they partner with
canon or nikon, and ideally both. if apple were to introduce an slr
with yet another lens mount, it will be a dismal failure. 

even sony couldn't gain that much slr market share, and they had an
established userbase from when they bought konica-minolta.

> ... as long as the camera function dominated the operation of the 
> device, that is.

right. 

if it's claim to fame is auto-upload to icloud, forget it.

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#29793

On 2012-08-20 18:23 , nospam wrote:
> In article <692dnZxJFpV-Nq_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>> Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?
>>
>> P&S and "prosumer" DSLR are two different domains entirely.
>>
>> That said I could see Apple making a P&S - even a very good one as long
>> as they choose a good optics package.
>
> it's possible. there's already talk of android based cameras. apple
> really needs to partner with established camera companies though.
>
>> I can's see them making a DSLR.  That is a whole different beast where
>> the optics are far more important than anything else.  OTOH if they
>> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
>> could get traction ...
>
> there's no way they can make a successful dslr unless they partner with
> canon or nikon,

Uh yeah.  What part of "if they team with, eg, Canon" did you have 
trouble reading.

There's no way it would be both.

I doubt it will be any SLR maker - cause it won't be an SLR and it won't 
be a team effort.  It will be Apple period (with news accounts saying 
where they get the optics (say Zeiss design manufactured by Sony)).
-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29799

In article <UqadnVvaY9B9I6_NnZ2dnUVZ_qwAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >> I can's see them making a DSLR.  That is a whole different beast where
> >> the optics are far more important than anything else.  OTOH if they
> >> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
> >> could get traction ...
> >
> > there's no way they can make a successful dslr unless they partner with
> > canon or nikon,
> 
> Uh yeah.  What part of "if they team with, eg, Canon" did you have 
> trouble reading.

i was agreeing with it.

> There's no way it would be both.

then it will likely fail. 

some users might switch from nikon to canon or vice versa for an apple
slr, but not that many because of the hassles and expense of replacing
lenses.

licensing both would get them about 80% of slr users who would just
need to buy a new body. no need to replace lenses. 

sony users will have to switch but they're probably already considering
that anyway.

> I doubt it will be any SLR maker - cause it won't be an SLR and it won't 
> be a team effort.  It will be Apple period (with news accounts saying 
> where they get the optics (say Zeiss design manufactured by Sony)).

it's unlikely to be an slr because apple no doubt is looking to the
future when mechanical cameras are mostly history, assuming this is
more than just a rumour.

or they might pursue lytro. supposedly steve jobs talked to them.

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#29803

On 2012-08-20 19:36 , nospam wrote:
> In article <UqadnVvaY9B9I6_NnZ2dnUVZ_qwAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> I can's see them making a DSLR.  That is a whole different beast where
>>>> the optics are far more important than anything else.  OTOH if they
>>>> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
>>>> could get traction ...
>>>
>>> there's no way they can make a successful dslr unless they partner with
>>> canon or nikon,
>>
>> Uh yeah.  What part of "if they team with, eg, Canon" did you have
>> trouble reading.
>
> i was agreeing with it.
>
>> There's no way it would be both.
>
> then it will likely fail.

It isn't happening period.  P&S.  High end perhaps.  But P&S.


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"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29798

On 8/20/12 5:23 PM, in article 200820121523435624%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <692dnZxJFpV-Nq_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>>> Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?
>> 
>> P&S and "prosumer" DSLR are two different domains entirely.
>> 
>> That said I could see Apple making a P&S - even a very good one as long
>> as they choose a good optics package.
> 
> it's possible. there's already talk of android based cameras. apple
> really needs to partner with established camera companies though.
> 
>> I can's see them making a DSLR.  That is a whole different beast where
>> the optics are far more important than anything else.  OTOH if they
>> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
>> could get traction ...
> 
> there's no way they can make a successful dslr unless they partner with
> canon or nikon, and ideally both. if apple were to introduce an slr
> with yet another lens mount, it will be a dismal failure.
> 

Exactly. Even for the biggest company in the history of the world, it would
be a dismal failure.

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#29823

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:23:43 -0700, nospam wrote:

> In article <692dnZxJFpV-Nq_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> there's no way they can make a successful dslr unless they partner with
> canon or nikon, and ideally both.

Probably true.

> if apple were to introduce an slr with
> yet another lens mount, it will be a dismal failure.

Aaarrrrgggghhh!

> even sony couldn't gain that much slr market share, and they had an
> established userbase from when they bought konica-minolta.

I didn't realise they had bought Konica-Minolta.  They would have done 
better keeping those brand names IMHO.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29816

In article <692dnZxJFpV-Nq_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> P&S and "prosumer" DSLR are two different domains entirely.

True, although there a slowly growing number of cameras that are blurring
that distinction.

Apple started the digital camera way back with the QuickTake, but dropped
out of that sector of devices. I doubt they've got much interest in going
back there now.

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#29845

On 2012-08-21 00:10 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <692dnZxJFpV-Nq_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> P&S and "prosumer" DSLR are two different domains entirely.
>
> True, although there a slowly growing number of cameras that are blurring
> that distinction.

To a photographer (amateur or pro) there are distinct features that are 
necessary to a SLR/DSLR.  It is true that things like pellicle mirrors 
and EVF's are beginning to make their mark but they don't subtract from 
the essentials of a SLR/DSLR.  (Pellicle's are not new to SLR's, but are 
making a return in some cameras).

Some pros (city-beat journalists) could use a good P&S with a good 
attached flash - that's all they really need for a lot of their shots - 
esp. in the web driven era.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29818

Alan Browne:
> ...
> OTOH if they 
> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that 
> could get traction ...

Canon doesn't need Apple or iOS to make great cameras. The same can be
said for Nikon, Sony, Olympus, and a host of other camera makers. At
the moment Canon's high-end DSLRs integrate nicely with the Mac OS with
Canon's own software. I'm sure this is true of other camera makers as
well. Professional DSLRs have a lot of electronics and a lot of menu
choices on them now; I don't know what the limit is before the camera
becomes too complex to allow for flexible and rapid operation, but 12
pages of iOS apps would probably stretch things beyond the breaking
point.

There may be gadgets beyond iPhone and iPad that Apple could persuade
pro photographers to buy, but a camera, be it a compact model or a
high-end pro DSLR, is probably not one of them. Yes, many, if not most,
pro photographers carry compact cameras alongside their high-end stuff
on certain assignments. Yes, they sometimes make pro-grade, marketable
photos with their compact cameras. I hesitate to say point-and-shoot
because that implies full automation. Pros tend not to go for that. But
there are some excellent compact cameras that incorporate both the
manual control that pros require and the automatic operation that the
lower-end consumer market demands.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#29819

Davoud wrote:

> There may be gadgets beyond iPhone and iPad that Apple could persuade
> pro photographers to buy, but a camera, be it a compact model or a
> high-end pro DSLR, is probably not one of them. 


Forget pro photographers. Apple is a mass market consumer electronics
company. They are not into "hobbies".

pro DSLRs are not mass market.

My guess is that Apple would produce an iShoot which is basically an
iPhone in a camera physical form factor with good lens.

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#29820

In article <5033217d$0$1546$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Forget pro photographers. Apple is a mass market consumer electronics
> company. They are not into "hobbies".

apple has repeatedly called apple tv a hobby.

> pro DSLRs are not mass market.

pro slrs aren't, but entry level slrs certainly are. nikon sold nearly
5 million slrs & mirrorless last year. 

> My guess is that Apple would produce an iShoot which is basically an
> iPhone in a camera physical form factor with good lens.

probably, although likely without a cellular radio, as that would be
yet another device for which to pay access fees.

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#29847

On 2012-08-21 01:10 , Davoud wrote:
> Alan Browne:
>> ...
>> OTOH if they
>> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
>> could get traction ...
>
> Canon doesn't need Apple or iOS to make great cameras.

No shit?

The main point is that Apple will likely do a P&S and for that they 
don't need Canon or Nikon - but they do need good optics.

As to Canon and Nikon, they don't need Apple to make great cameras as 
long as they are DSLR's.  But here P&S is concerned it appears that 
Nikon have already gone to the dark side:

http://9to5google.com/2012/08/20/leaked-press-shots-tease-nikons-android-powered-coolpix-s800c-camera-photos/

Most P&S's have pretty lame UI's and very little flexibility where 
interfacing to other devices is concerned.  An iOS (or Android) UI and 
interface ability could make managing images a lot easier.

When it's not the silly assed 4-step Apple way, in any case.

My camera:
1. Plug camera or card into computer.
2. Copy photos to computer


Apple way:
1. Plug iPhone into computer (can't WiFi this AFAICT)
2. Run iPhoto
3. Import photos to iPhoto
4. Export photos from iPhoto to a folder on the computer

That is something Apple could make a lot simpler - and w/o the stinkin' 
iCould.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29849

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> On 2012-08-21 01:10 , Davoud wrote:
> > Alan Browne:
> >> ...
> >> OTOH if they
> >> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
> >> could get traction ...
> >
> > Canon doesn't need Apple or iOS to make great cameras.
> 
> No shit?
> 
> The main point is that Apple will likely do a P&S and for that they
> don't need Canon or Nikon - but they do need good optics.
> 
> As to Canon and Nikon, they don't need Apple to make great cameras as
> long as they are DSLR's.  But here P&S is concerned it appears that
> Nikon have already gone to the dark side:
> 
> http://9to5google.com/2012/08/20/leaked-press-shots-tease-nikons-android-powered-coolpix-s800c-camera-photos/
> 
> Most P&S's have pretty lame UI's and very little flexibility where
> interfacing to other devices is concerned.  An iOS (or Android) UI and
> interface ability could make managing images a lot easier.
> 
> When it's not the silly assed 4-step Apple way, in any case.
> 
> My camera:
> 1. Plug camera or card into computer.
> 2. Copy photos to computer
> 
> 
> Apple way:
> 1. Plug iPhone into computer (can't WiFi this AFAICT)
> 2. Run iPhoto
> 3. Import photos to iPhoto
> 4. Export photos from iPhoto to a folder on the computer
> 
> That is something Apple could make a lot simpler - and w/o the
> stinkin' iCould.

It isn't the Apple way you are talking about - it's the iPhone way.  I
can do the two-step process you describe with my camera on my Mac.

And the 4-step process you describe for the iPhone is really a 2-step
process if you _want_ to use iPhoto to organize your pictures, and
need be no more than a 3-step process if you don't want to use iPhoto
to organize your pictures.

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#29867

On 2012-08-21 19:08 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
>
>> On 2012-08-21 01:10 , Davoud wrote:
>>> Alan Browne:
>>>> ...
>>>> OTOH if they
>>>> teamed with, eg, Canon to integrate iOS into a Canon DSLR then that
>>>> could get traction ...
>>>
>>> Canon doesn't need Apple or iOS to make great cameras.
>>
>> No shit?
>>
>> The main point is that Apple will likely do a P&S and for that they
>> don't need Canon or Nikon - but they do need good optics.
>>
>> As to Canon and Nikon, they don't need Apple to make great cameras as
>> long as they are DSLR's.  But here P&S is concerned it appears that
>> Nikon have already gone to the dark side:
>>
>> http://9to5google.com/2012/08/20/leaked-press-shots-tease-nikons-android-powered-coolpix-s800c-camera-photos/
>>
>> Most P&S's have pretty lame UI's and very little flexibility where
>> interfacing to other devices is concerned.  An iOS (or Android) UI and
>> interface ability could make managing images a lot easier.
>>
>> When it's not the silly assed 4-step Apple way, in any case.
>>
>> My camera:
>> 1. Plug camera or card into computer.
>> 2. Copy photos to computer
>>
>>
>> Apple way:
>> 1. Plug iPhone into computer (can't WiFi this AFAICT)
>> 2. Run iPhoto
>> 3. Import photos to iPhoto
>> 4. Export photos from iPhoto to a folder on the computer
>>
>> That is something Apple could make a lot simpler - and w/o the
>> stinkin' iCould.
>
> It isn't the Apple way you are talking about - it's the iPhone way.  I
> can do the two-step process you describe with my camera on my Mac.

I know.  I do what I describe on a Mac.  The iPhone way is the Apple way.

> And the 4-step process you describe for the iPhone is really a 2-step
> process if you _want_ to use iPhoto to organize your pictures, and
> need be no more than a 3-step process if you don't want to use iPhoto
> to organize your pictures.

It's still 4 step because iPhoto is a bucket of shit in the bilges of a 
tramp steamer on the Borneo coast.

99%+ of my photos are with a DSLR.  So when I occasionally make a grab 
shot with my iPhone, the incredibly idiotic machinations that Apple make 
me go through set my teeth on edge.  Indeed photos will fester on my 
phone for weeks or month before there are enough to bother with the 
stupid Apple 4 step.

Written on a Mac.  It makes sense at least.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29851

In article <camdnWq6uJfWjqnNnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> When it's not the silly assed 4-step Apple way, in any case.
> 
> My camera:
> 1. Plug camera or card into computer.
> 2. Copy photos to computer
> 
> Apple way:
> 1. Plug iPhone into computer (can't WiFi this AFAICT)
> 2. Run iPhoto
> 3. Import photos to iPhoto
> 4. Export photos from iPhoto to a folder on the computer

there's no need to run iphoto. an iphone shows up as a standard digital
camera, which means *any* app that can copy images from a camera will
work, including lightroom.

in other words, it's the exact same two steps as your camera or any
other camera. 

or, you can use icloud and they're already on your computer in zero
steps.

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#29869 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012-08-21 19:09 , nospam wrote:
> In article <camdnWq6uJfWjqnNnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> When it's not the silly assed 4-step Apple way, in any case.
>>
>> My camera:
>> 1. Plug camera or card into computer.
>> 2. Copy photos to computer
>>
>> Apple way:
>> 1. Plug iPhone into computer (can't WiFi this AFAICT)
>> 2. Run iPhoto
>> 3. Import photos to iPhoto
>> 4. Export photos from iPhoto to a folder on the computer
>
> there's no need to run iphoto. an iphone shows up as a standard digital
> camera, which means *any* app that can copy images from a camera will
> work, including lightroom.
>
> in other words, it's the exact same two steps as your camera or any
> other camera.

BLOW ME DOWN!

There are my iPhone photos in Bridge!

Nospam - this is the thrid time in two years you've actually said 
something useful!

I can custom re-name, number, tag, etc. all in one shot while importing.

THANK YOU NOSPAM!!!

(Of course I'd still prefer to just see them in Finder, but the above is 
a vast improvement over the Apple 4 step).

> or, you can use icloud and they're already on your computer in zero
> steps.

I don't do iCloud.  Won't do iCloud.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29879 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <qKSdnVIYjNWoqKnNnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> (Of course I'd still prefer to just see them in Finder, but the above is 
> a vast improvement over the Apple 4 step).

many cameras no longer show up in finder. apple isn't unique about
that. 

nikon started doing that a while ago. not that it matters, because it's
easier to just pop the card out of the camera and into a card reader.

oddly enough, an iphone shows up in windows explorer.

> > or, you can use icloud and they're already on your computer in zero
> > steps.
> 
> I don't do iCloud.  Won't do iCloud.

you might not, but others do and with icloud, it's zero steps.

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#29904 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <210820121929062896%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <qKSdnVIYjNWoqKnNnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > (Of course I'd still prefer to just see them in Finder, but the above is 
> > a vast improvement over the Apple 4 step).
> 
> many cameras no longer show up in finder. apple isn't unique about
> that. 
> 
> nikon started doing that a while ago. not that it matters, because it's
> easier to just pop the card out of the camera and into a card reader.

Or have, as we do, an SD card that you fold in half and then it's a USB 
stick.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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