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  Encourating Others to Backup! TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-19 20:20 -0500
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:57 -0700
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 18:35 +1200
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 08:03 -0400
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 03:19 +0000
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-06-20 05:23 +0000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 17:47 +1000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-20 07:25 -0500
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-20 16:11 +0000
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:09 +1200
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 12:00 +0200
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:18 +0000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 19:28 +0000
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2014-06-20 19:44 +0000
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-21 01:12 +0000
              Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 12:48 +0200
                Re: Encourating Others to Backup! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-22 02:05 +1200
                Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-21 13:20 -0400
                  Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-21 18:22 +0100
                    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-21 13:26 -0400
                      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-21 21:53 +0100
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 10:06 +0200
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> - 2014-06-20 09:39 -0400
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:30 -0700
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:13 -0700
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 12:50 +0200
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 07:08 -0700
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:12 +1200
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:14 -0700
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:15 -0400
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-21 06:43 -0700
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-22 10:36 +1200
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> - 2014-06-21 20:05 -0400
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:18 +0200
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:17 +0000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-20 16:46 +0000
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 17:01 +0000
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-06-21 01:40 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 14:07 +1200
              Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-06-21 19:52 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:39 +0000
              Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-06-21 20:06 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-06-21 12:28 -0400
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-20 12:31 -0400
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:39 -0500
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:14 +1200
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:33 -0700

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#61279

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-zlGSMkzUH8ni@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:01:49 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
> > On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
> > > Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > >>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> > >>> sister in this regard.
> > >>
> > >>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
> > >>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
> > >
> > > Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
> > > price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.
> > 
> > Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
> > no-brainer for most Mac users.
>  
> I can think of one: if she regularly uses a laptop while sitting in 
> her easy chair, then it takes some time and effort to hook up an 
> external drive and make a backup. Of course she could get a Time 
> Capsule, but then that's no longer such a cheap solution.

Some wireless modem / routers have the ability to plug in a USB drive
or printer which can then be used wirelessly. Reports of such a
wireless drive system working with Time Machine are conflicting, but
you could always use other automated syncing software to make the
backup / back up / back-up.  :-)

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#61339

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:07:12 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-zlGSMkzUH8ni@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:01:49 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
> > > > Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > >>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> > > >>> sister in this regard.
> > > >>
> > > >>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
> > > >>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
> > > >
> > > > Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
> > > > price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.
> > > 
> > > Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
> > > no-brainer for most Mac users.
> >  
> > I can think of one: if she regularly uses a laptop while sitting in 
> > her easy chair, then it takes some time and effort to hook up an 
> > external drive and make a backup. Of course she could get a Time 
> > Capsule, but then that's no longer such a cheap solution.
> 
> Some wireless modem / routers have the ability to plug in a USB drive
> or printer which can then be used wirelessly. Reports of such a
> wireless drive system working with Time Machine are conflicting, but
> you could always use other automated syncing software to make the
> backup / back up / back-up.  :-)

I actually tried that for my wife's Macbook Pro. I don't recall the 
details, but it didn't work well and I abandoned it for a directly 
connected drive.

-- 
John Varela

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#61281

On 2014-06-21, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:01:49 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
>> > Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
>> >>> sister in this regard.
>> >>
>> >>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
>> >>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
>> >
>> > Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
>> > price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.
>> 
>> Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
>> no-brainer for most Mac users.
>  
> I can think of one: if she regularly uses a laptop while sitting in 
> her easy chair, then it takes some time and effort to hook up an 
> external drive and make a backup.

Not much time at all. As much time as connecting a display, or
mouse/keyboard. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#61341

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 04:39:15 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> On 2014-06-21, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:01:49 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
> >> > Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> >> >>> sister in this regard.
> >> >>
> >> >>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
> >> >>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
> >> >
> >> > Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
> >> > price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.
> >> 
> >> Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
> >> no-brainer for most Mac users.
> >  
> > I can think of one: if she regularly uses a laptop while sitting in 
> > her easy chair, then it takes some time and effort to hook up an 
> > external drive and make a backup.
> 
> Not much time at all. As much time as connecting a display, or
> mouse/keyboard. 

The user has to get up, carry the laptop to wherever the drive is, 
plug it in, tell Time Machine to back up now, and either not use the
computer or use it in a less desireable location until the backup is
complete. In Mavericks the Time Machine icon on the menu bar does 
not rotate when a backup is in progress so, if she wants to know 
when the backup completes, she has to keep the Finder open. And if 
the OP's sister is anything like my wife she doesn't know what the 
Finder is.

-- 
John Varela

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#61323

On 6/20/14, 9:40 PM, John Varela wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:01:49 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
>>>>> sister in this regard.
>>>>
>>>> Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
>>>> the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
>>>
>>> Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
>>> price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.
>>
>> Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
>> no-brainer for most Mac users.
>
> I can think of one: if she regularly uses a laptop while sitting in
> her easy chair, then it takes some time and effort to hook up an
> external drive and make a backup. Of course she could get a Time
> Capsule, but then that's no longer such a cheap solution.
>
A little pricey but Newegg is listing a PNY 256gb USB 3 stick for $109 
(there's a PNY $10 rebate as well).  Still a slight pain sticking out of 
a laptop that you're using but way better than an attached external 
drive.  I've been using one and it seems to work out alright.  I really 
should test the backup though.

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#61206

On 6/19/14, 9:20 p, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
> not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
> of the value of backing up?
>
> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
> sister in this regard.

"There are only two kinds of computer users in the world:  Those who 
have lost data and those who will."

-- 
Entropy ALWAYS wins.

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#61241

On 6/20/14 11:31 AM, in article lo1nl2$akc$1@dont-email.me, "Fred Moore"
<fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> On 6/19/14, 9:20 p, TaliesinSoft wrote:
>> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
>> not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
>> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
>> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
>> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
>> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
>> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
>> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
>> of the value of backing up?
>> 
>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
>> sister in this regard.
> 
> "There are only two kinds of computer users in the world:  Those who
> have lost data and those who will."

The IRS sure wants you to believe that. It's SO convenient!!!

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#61268

In article <CFCA1448.ACD4A%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/20/14 11:31 AM, in article lo1nl2$akc$1@dont-email.me, "Fred Moore"
> <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 6/19/14, 9:20 p, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> >> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
> >> not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
> >> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
> >> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
> >> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
> >> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
> >> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
> >> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
> >> of the value of backing up?
> >> 
> >> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
> >> sister in this regard.
> > 
> > "There are only two kinds of computer users in the world:  Those who
> > have lost data and those who will."
> 
> The IRS sure wants you to believe that. It's SO convenient!!!

The IRS's version is ...
   "There are only two kinds of people in the world:  
    Those who have paid tax and those who will."

;-)

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#61276

Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> writes:

> On 6/19/14, 9:20 p, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> > I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
> > not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
> > convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
> > Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
> > and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
> > specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
> > that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
> > catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
> > of the value of backing up?
> >
> > I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
> > sister in this regard.
> 
> "There are only two kinds of computer users in the world:  Those who 
> have lost data and those who will."

If only that were true, since the implication is that those two kinds
are exclusive.

Martin

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