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Big problem with OS X

Started byWilliam Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
Last post2014-01-06 12:12 -0800
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  Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-01 18:41 -0500
      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:48 +0000
        Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-01 21:31 -0500
          Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 19:16 -0800
            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 18:08 +1300
              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:18 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:30 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-02 09:55 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:50 +0000
                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 16:52 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 17:23 +0000
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:54 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-03 13:43 -0600
                              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:36 +0000
                                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-04 19:07 -0500
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X william-wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:29 +0000
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 13:29 +1300
                                    Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-04 17:54 -0800
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 16:32 +1300
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-05 16:09 +1100
                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 19:20 +1300
                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 01:33 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 10:21 +0000
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:08 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:16 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:36 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:44 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 13:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:45 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:42 -0600
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:54 -0800
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 14:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 15:20 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:28 +0000
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:19 +0000
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 08:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-05 16:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:44 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:28 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:13 -0500
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:25 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:39 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:40 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:33 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:17 -0600
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 14:45 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:32 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:48 -0500
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:09 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:06 -0500
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:49 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-05 21:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-16 13:02 -0500
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-16 14:22 -0800
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:38 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 08:26 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 08:19 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 09:22 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 10:26 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:24 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-17 21:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-18 06:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 08:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:12 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:23 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:09 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 02:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 06:37 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:42 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 16:23 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-24 23:37 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 22:52 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 09:01 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 15:50 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 13:08 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:28 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 08:56 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:08 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 10:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:16 +1300
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 20:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:29 +1300
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:35 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:33 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:37 +0000
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-19 15:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:37 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X "William Wright" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 -0800
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:49 +1300
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-25 01:37 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-26 09:41 +1300
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-28 11:43 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-29 09:37 +1300
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 16:37 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 12:52 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 15:57 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:28 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 08:51 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 09:06 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 11:39 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:53 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 09:26 +1300
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:20 +1300
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 11:25 +1300
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 17:54 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:18 +1300
                                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:47 +1300
                                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:20 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-03 09:00 +1300
                                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 15:06 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-02 14:58 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-28 20:40 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:27 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:45 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 21:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 17:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:21 +1300
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 23:14 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 02:20 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-31 01:17 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X The 29th Earl of Grimsby <earl-of-grimsby@jwright20.plus.com> - 2014-01-31 23:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:11 -0500
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 10:11 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:17 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 09:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:31 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 16:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 09:27 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 19:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 11:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:21 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 13:25 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-17 16:46 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 22:47 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:04 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 23:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:16 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 16:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:29 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:00 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 18:18 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:01 -0700
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:24 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:32 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 18:45 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 20:05 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 03:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:27 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 20:29 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:16 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:14 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:35 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 11:29 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:29 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:05 +1300
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 12:52 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:36 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:36 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:58 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-20 18:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:38 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:38 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:20 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:14 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:56 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 17:43 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:00 -0600
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:34 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:32 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-06 12:26 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 16:22 -0500
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 13:09 +1300
                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-04 22:10 -0600
                        Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:43 -0800
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:43 -0600
                          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 19:09 +0000
                            Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:48 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 20:48 +0100
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 12:11 -0800
                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 21:14 +0100
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Imaginary <spamproof@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:46 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:41 -0600
          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:24 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 13:26 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-02 12:27 -0500
              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-03 12:09 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 10:42 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-04 14:17 -0500
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:39 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-04 19:58 -0800
                        Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:15 -0500
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 10:22 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:14 +1300
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-01 17:15 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:36 -0700
      Re: Big problem with OS X Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-02 06:25 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:09 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:08 +0000
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:12 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-01-05 01:00 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:40 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 18:17 -0500
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 07:55 +0000
          Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 04:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:15 -0800
              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 13:59 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 11:45 -0800
                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:20 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-06 20:18 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 12:12 -0800

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#54974

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-19 10:08 -0800
Message-ID<20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54969
On 2014-01-19 17:36:23 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <ds2dndeRvYRplUHPnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
>> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound an
>> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> 
> There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
> 
> You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately.  Most
> firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.

If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put 
it in the nightstand drawer.

> Even if you do wound someone, he's usually still able to shoot back.

Never say you only shot to wound, or just fired a warning shot. your 
only justification to shoot is to stop a deadly threat, either to 
yourself or to another person. Law Enforcement doesn't train to kill, 
wound, or fire warning shots, they train to stop the threat. That 
usually means shooting at center of mass, a double tap from most of the 
usual duty weapons (38 SP, 357Mag, 9mm, or 45 ACP, along with some of 
the modern rounds available) to the chest will do a pretty good job of 
stopping any threat.
A warning shot is a miss. A wound is dumb luck, or evidence of a 
healthy constitution for the assailant.

Forget about the Hollywood shot to wound, or to the head (a moving head 
is tough to hit) and if the assailant is carrying a blade don't let 
them get closer than 15-20 feet.

So, shoot to stop the threat. once that is done stop shooting. If the 
assailant is running from you don't shoot, there is no threat. If the 
assailant is down and wounded, don't finish him/her off. If you do you 
will be dealing with a D.A..

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54996

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-19 21:38 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldoheh.123t.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#54974
In message <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> So, shoot to stop the threat. once that is done stop shooting. If the 
> assailant is running from you don't shoot, there is no threat. If the 
> assailant is down and wounded, don't finish him/her off. If you do you 
> will be dealing with a D.A..

If you empty your gun, you're in good company with the vast majority of
self-defense shootings, so empty your gun.



-- 
Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don'tcha think?

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#55036

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-19 22:29 -0700
Message-ID<190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54974
In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
> >> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound an
> >> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> > 
> > There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
> > 
> > You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately.  Most
> > firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> 
> If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put 
> it in the nightstand drawer.

Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
understand that simple principle.

> > Even if you do wound someone, he's usually still able to shoot back.
> 
> Never say you only shot to wound, or just fired a warning shot. your 
> only justification to shoot is to stop a deadly threat, either to 
> yourself or to another person. 

Again, fully agree.

> if the assailant is carrying a blade don't let them get closer than
> 15-20 feet.

And if they do get close and you don't have a firearm, get inside the
danger radius before trying to fight back.

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#55049

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-20 10:01 +0000
Message-ID<200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#55036
In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
> > >> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound an
> > >> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> > > 
> > > There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
> > > 
> > > You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately.  Most
> > > firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> > 
> > If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put 
> > it in the nightstand drawer.
> 
> Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
> understand that simple principle.

What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?

Actually what happens is that all these brave people with guns keep
them by the front door. Then the poor lost tourist or traveller whose
car has broken down, who knocks on the door seeking help, can just be
shot through the door with no further ado.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#55068

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-21 09:16 +1300
Message-ID<210120140916478816%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55049
In article <200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
> > > >> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound
> > > >> an
> > > >> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> > > > 
> > > > There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
> > > > 
> > > > You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately.  Most
> > > > firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> > > 
> > > If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put 
> > > it in the nightstand drawer.
> > 
> > Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
> > understand that simple principle.
> 
> What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?

Small cabinet / table next to the bed (in may case it's actually a
small bookcase without any drawers). For double beds they are sold as a
set of two matching cabinets. Sometimes they are built-in as part of
the headboard. These days many people don't have them at all.

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#55075

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-20 20:43 +0000
Message-ID<200120142043469275%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#55068
In article <210120140916478816%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
> > > > >> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound
> > > > >> an
> > > > >> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately. 
> > > > > Most
> > > > > firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> > > > 
> > > > If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put 
> > > > it in the nightstand drawer.
> > > 
> > > Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
> > > understand that simple principle.
> > 
> > What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?
> 
> Small cabinet / table next to the bed (in may case it's actually a
> small bookcase without any drawers). For double beds they are sold as a
> set of two matching cabinets. Sometimes they are built-in as part of
> the headboard. These days many people don't have them at all.

So, a bedside cabinet then - or do yours vanish during the day?

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#55110

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-21 13:29 +1300
Message-ID<210120141329352885%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55075
In article <200120142043469275%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <210120140916478816%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> > > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > > > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you
> > > > > >> wound
> > > > > >> an
> > > > > >> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to
> > > > > > wound.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately. 
> > > > > > Most
> > > > > > firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put 
> > > > > it in the nightstand drawer.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
> > > > understand that simple principle.
> > > 
> > > What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?
> > 
> > Small cabinet / table next to the bed (in may case it's actually a
> > small bookcase without any drawers). For double beds they are sold as a
> > set of two matching cabinets. Sometimes they are built-in as part of
> > the headboard. These days many people don't have them at all.
> 
> So, a bedside cabinet then - or do yours vanish during the day?

Depends if you have a foldaway bed that disappears into a wall caviy. 
;-)

The term "nightstand" probably comes from ye olde days when it was used
as a place to "stand" objects ready for the morning (glasses, false
teeth) or for use during the night (a glass of water). Often there was
a cupboard or drawer in the bottom to store the potty as well, so your
first reply was partially correct.

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#55156

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-21 10:35 +0000
Message-ID<210120141035172793%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#55110
In article <210120141329352885%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <200120142043469275%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > In article <210120140916478816%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > In article <200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> > > > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > > In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > > > > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're
> going
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you
> > > > > > >> wound
> > > > > > >> an
> > > > > > >> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to
> > > > > > > wound.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately. 
> > > > > > > Most
> > > > > > > firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just
> > > > > > put 
> > > > > > it in the nightstand drawer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
> > > > > understand that simple principle.
> > > > 
> > > > What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?
> > > 
> > > Small cabinet / table next to the bed (in may case it's actually a
> > > small bookcase without any drawers). For double beds they are sold as a
> > > set of two matching cabinets. Sometimes they are built-in as part of
> > > the headboard. These days many people don't have them at all.
> > 
> > So, a bedside cabinet then - or do yours vanish during the day?
> 
> Depends if you have a foldaway bed that disappears into a wall caviy. 
> ;-)
> 
> The term "nightstand" probably comes from ye olde days when it was used
> as a place to "stand" objects ready for the morning (glasses, false
> teeth) or for use during the night (a glass of water). Often there was
> a cupboard or drawer in the bottom to store the potty as well, so your
> first reply was partially correct.

On mine is a stack of books, a telephone (the only wired one in the
house, useful during power cuts), a radio (we always wake up to the
Today programme), and a bottle of water.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#55122

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 19:33 -0600
Message-ID<CF032A96.A693F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#55049


On 1/20/14 4:01 AM, in article 200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net,
"Tim Streater" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
>>>>> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound an
>>>>> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
>>>> 
>>>> There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
>>>> 
>>>> You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately.  Most
>>>> firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
>>> 
>>> If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put
>>> it in the nightstand drawer.
>> 
>> Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
>> understand that simple principle.
> 
> What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?
> 
Yeah. That's why they have drawers to piss in. You familiar with pissing in
your drawers?

> Actually what happens is that all these brave people with guns keep
> them by the front door. Then the poor lost tourist or traveller whose
> car has broken down, who knocks on the door seeking help, can just be
> shot through the door with no further ado.

No. That was the current VEEP of the USA. He like to fire indiscreetly at
everything and tells others to do so...

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHZ7zXLvOkY>

Which resulted in this...

<http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/07/18/man-cites-joe-bidens-s
hotgun-advice-after-using-it-and-being-arrested-n1643551>

And improperly trained women experiencing interesting results...

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0IVSGctQIg>


So, I would suggest that you wash your nightstand....


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#55157

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-21 10:37 +0000
Message-ID<210120141037029076%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#55122
In article <CF032A96.A693F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/20/14 4:01 AM, in article 200120141001226597%timstreater@greenbee.net,
> "Tim Streater" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <190120142229274065%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <20140119100806752-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>>> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to
> >>>>> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound an
> >>>>> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.
> >>>> 
> >>>> There are at least two other concerns/problems with shooting to wound.
> >>>> 
> >>>> You have to be a damned good shot to wound a person deliberately.  Most
> >>>> firearms owners just aren't that good of a shot.
> >>> 
> >>> If you own a handgun for defense, train, train, train. Don't just put
> >>> it in the nightstand drawer.
> >> 
> >> Oh, I fully agree; unfortunately, all too many firearms owners don't
> >> understand that simple principle.
> > 
> > What's a nightstand? Something for you to piss into during the night?
> > 
> Yeah. That's why they have drawers to piss in. You familiar with pissing in
> your drawers?

No. But +1 for trying, George. Oh, you *are* called George. How bout
that then.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#54995

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-19 21:36 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldohad.123t.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#54967
In message <ds2dndeRvYRplUHPnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.01.19, 11:56 , Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2014-01-19 15:28:44 +0000, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>>
>>> On 2014.01.18, 15:50 , JF Mezei wrote:
>>>> On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before t
>>> he
>>>>> first shot was fired.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in
>>> a
>>>> uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
>>>> garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
>>>>
>>>> And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
>>>
>>>> need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
>>>> should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
>>>
>>> Shooting real people doesn't happen to many people at all.
>>
>> Correct. There are only a handful of Law Enforcement officers who are
>> compelled to fire their duty weapons while on the job for other than
>> punching paper when going through annual & quarterly qualifying.
>>
>> Firing for any reason when not on the range is unusual and has to be
>> explained (in California anyway) as a use of force. That is for just
>> firing the weapon. If you actually hit somebody with one of your bullets
>> there is a completely different level of scrutiny. After 25+ years in
>> Law enforcement I have never had to fire my duty weapon at another
>> person. I have used my duty weapon to euthanize 2 deer, one wild pig,
>> one raccoon badly injured by vehicles. I personally know of 7 of those I
>> worked with who have had to shoot a person while on duty, two of those
>> were fatal shootings.
>>
>> It is a much rarer event than some folks might believe. Of course just
>> drawing your weapon to secure a situation, provide coverage during an
>> incident, or effecting an arrest happens much more frequently.
>>
>>>   And when it does, that other person usually doesn't want to be shot.
>>> If you scare them off, you've done as much as is actually needed.
>>
>> That is why verbal commands are considered part of the escalation of
>> "use of force". It is also why the racking sound of a pump shotgun has
>> stopped and cleared many situations.

>>>   If they keep coming it's easier and easier to hit as they get closer
>>> - assuming you haven't sprayed all your clip away and you don't panic.
>>
>> It is never easy. Adrenaline plays a big part. Training and discipline
>> are key for all gun owners.
>>
>> BTW: never say you just fired a warning shot. When it comes to
>> justification for firing a weapon and escalating to a use of deadly
>> force, you shoot to stop a threat or attack which a reasonable person
>> would believe would result in death or serious injury.
>> Hit a bystander or anybody, and say that you "just fired a warning shot"
>> it is time for you to find a criminal defense attorney.

> I've heard justice department people here say that if you're going to 
> fire only shoot kill shots.  The civil case that results if you wound an 
> assailant is not worth merely wounding them.

That's true for everyone. If you are going to carry a gun, you have to
be willing to draw it. If you draw a gun, you have to be willing to
shoot it. If you shoot it, *always* shoot for kill. "Wounding" is a
hollywoodism.

-- 
"Getting married for sex is like buying a 747 for the free peanuts." -
Jeff Foxworthy

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#54991

From"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
Date2014-01-19 15:46 -0500
Message-ID<lbhdie$hmg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54957
On 1/19/14, 10:28 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2014.01.18, 15:50 , JF Mezei wrote:
>> On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
>>
>>> Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before the
>>> first shot was fired.
>>
>>
>> Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in a
>> uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
>> garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
>>
>> And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
>> need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
>> should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
>
> Shooting real people doesn't happen to many people at all.  And when it
> does, that other person usually doesn't want to be shot.  If you scare
> them off, you've done as much as is actually needed.  If they keep
> coming it's easier and easier to hit as they get closer - assuming you
> haven't sprayed all your clip away and you don't panic.
>
> CW is the defender has the odds-on advantage, but reality is that most
> people are never ready when it actually happens.
>
Sorry to be thick but what does CW stand for?

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#55016

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-01-19 19:37 -0500
Message-ID<HsGdnVGQBJYy8kHPnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#54991
On 2014.01.19, 15:46 , M. John Matlaw wrote:
> On 1/19/14, 10:28 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2014.01.18, 15:50 , JF Mezei wrote:
>>> On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before
>>>> the
>>>> first shot was fired.
>>>
>>>
>>> Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in a
>>> uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
>>> garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
>>>
>>> And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
>>> need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
>>> should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
>>
>> Shooting real people doesn't happen to many people at all.  And when it
>> does, that other person usually doesn't want to be shot.  If you scare
>> them off, you've done as much as is actually needed.  If they keep
>> coming it's easier and easier to hit as they get closer - assuming you
>> haven't sprayed all your clip away and you don't panic.
>>
>> CW is the defender has the odds-on advantage, but reality is that most
>> people are never ready when it actually happens.
>>
> Sorry to be thick but what does CW stand for?

"Conventional Wisdom".

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55194

From"William Wright" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-22 09:11 -0800
Message-ID<52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#54897
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
>
> > Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before the
> > first shot was fired.
>
>
> Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in a
> uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
> garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
>
> And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
> need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
> should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
>
>
Calm Down darling!

I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
fanboys?

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#55195

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-23 08:49 +1300
Message-ID<230120140849007672%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55194
In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> > On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
> >
> > > Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before the
> > > first shot was fired.
> >
> >
> > Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in a
> > uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
> > garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
> >
> > And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
> > need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
> > should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
> 
> Calm Down darling!
> 
> I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> fanboys?

That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
at an email application.

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#55319

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-25 01:37 -0800
Message-ID<8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55195
On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
> 
> William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> 
> > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> 
> > > On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > > Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before the
> 
> > > > first shot was fired.
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in a
> 
> > > uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
> 
> > > garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
> 
> > >
> 
> > > And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
> 
> > > need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
> 
> > > should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
> 
> > 
> 
> > Calm Down darling!
> 
> > 
> 
> > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> 
> > fanboys?
> 
> 
> 
> That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
> 
> at an email application.

Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!

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#55349

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-26 09:41 +1300
Message-ID<260120140941341976%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55319
In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
<williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> > In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
> > William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> > > >
> > > >
<snip>
> > > 
> > > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> > > fanboys?
> > 
> > That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
> > at an email application.
> 
> Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!

Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
trying to copy the Mac's OS.


* Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
couldn't be bothered actually counting them.

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#55527

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-28 11:43 -0800
Message-ID<3dea638d-39fd-459e-bf9c-6ecff29ed2f8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55349
On Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:41:34 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
> 
> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> 
> > > In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
> 
> > > William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> 
> > > > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> 
> > > > >
> 
> > > > >
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > > > 
> 
> > > > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> 
> > > > fanboys?
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
> 
> > > at an email application.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!
> 
> 
> 
> Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
> 
> trying to copy the Mac's OS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
> 
> couldn't be bothered actually counting them.

And you use... MAC OS X?!? Oh, you mean the proof Apple could not make their own successful system from scratch and had to rely on UNIX? 

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#55528

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-29 09:37 +1300
Message-ID<290120140937462864%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55527
In article <3dea638d-39fd-459e-bf9c-6ecff29ed2f8@googlegroups.com>,
<williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:41:34 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> > In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
> > > > In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
> > > > William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
> > > > > 
> > <snip>
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
> > > > > fanboys?
> > > > 
> > > > That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
> > > > at an email application.
> > > 
> > > Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!
> > 
> > Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
> > trying to copy the Mac's OS.
> > 
> > * Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
> > couldn't be bothered actually counting them.
> 
> And you use... MAC OS X?!? Oh, you mean the proof Apple could not make 
> their own successful system from scratch and had to rely on UNIX? 

Apple did make their own, which in many ways is STILL better than Mac
OS X ... the problem is that the morons in charge got scared and
thought it wasn't "good enough", and instead moved to Mac OS X which
for the first few releases was a horrible backwards step of a mess and
looks like the newer releases are going back there with lots of added
unnecessary silliness. Mac OS X 10.10 is reportedly going to be
"flatter" (although not as "flat" as iOS) thanks to Jonny Ive's
complete incomptenece when it comes to software design.  :-(

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#55530

From"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
Date2014-01-28 16:37 -0500
Message-ID<lc97vl$hpv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55528
On 1/28/14, 3:37 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <3dea638d-39fd-459e-bf9c-6ecff29ed2f8@googlegroups.com>,
> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:41:34 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
>>> In article <8f023a73-c6f3-4942-9836-5f93fd09f3c5@googlegroups.com>,
>>> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 19:49:00 UTC, Your Name  wrote:
>>>>> In article <52dffba5$0$16515$c3e8da3$e3f2c276@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>> William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:52dae907$0$61353$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've finally got a "Real Newsreader". Is Outlook Express fine for you
>>>>>> fanboys?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not a real newsreader. It's Microsoft's lame and buggy attempt
>>>>> at an email application.
>>>>
>>>> Lies, all lies. WINDOWS 98 RULES!!
>>>
>>> Windows 98?!? Oh, you mean Microsoft's lame and buggy fifth* attempt at
>>> trying to copy the Mac's OS.
>>>
>>> * Yes, I know it's probably not the fifth version of Windows, but I
>>> couldn't be bothered actually counting them.
>>
>> And you use... MAC OS X?!? Oh, you mean the proof Apple could not make
>> their own successful system from scratch and had to rely on UNIX?
>
> Apple did make their own, which in many ways is STILL better than Mac
> OS X ... the problem is that the morons in charge got scared and
> thought it wasn't "good enough", and instead moved to Mac OS X which
> for the first few releases was a horrible backwards step of a mess and
> looks like the newer releases are going back there with lots of added
> unnecessary silliness. Mac OS X 10.10 is reportedly going to be
> "flatter" (although not as "flat" as iOS) thanks to Jonny Ive's
> complete incomptenece when it comes to software design.  :-(
>
Can't figure out whether that's a wry, deliberate typo or not.

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