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| Started by | Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> |
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| First post | 2016-10-03 15:35 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-10-04 14:51 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 185 — 25 participants |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-10-03 15:35 +0000
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-03 16:12 +0000
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 12:26 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 12:36 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 12:59 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 13:16 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Anonymous <nobody@roance.net> - 2016-10-03 17:30 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 15:22 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:20 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:51 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 23:56 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-04 10:04 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 14:21 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 22:14 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 23:14 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 16:06 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:29 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:12 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-10-04 10:03 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 10:17 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 09:44 -0500
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 16:08 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 16:31 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 16:46 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 18:26 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:25 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 21:08 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:24 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 14:22 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-05 01:40 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 11:05 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:18 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 22:45 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:50 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 16:53 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:15 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-06 09:22 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:50 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:07 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 17:08 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:17 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:22 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:05 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:07 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:22 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:44 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:47 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:08 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-06 15:07 +0100
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:08 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 10:33 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 16:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 14:56 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:53 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:04 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:59 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:08 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:31 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-07 00:44 +0100
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 06:40 -0500
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 19:45 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:12 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:25 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 19:09 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:18 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:21 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:34 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:42 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:53 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:17 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 18:26 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:45 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:09 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 15:22 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:34 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:02 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:32 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-05 19:03 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:30 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:46 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:58 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:54 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:57 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:14 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 16:56 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:24 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:54 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:13 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 23:49 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:00 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-07 00:05 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:31 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:15 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 00:01 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:28 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:23 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2016-10-05 16:40 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-10-05 20:29 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:02 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:19 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 16:51 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:04 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 17:05 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:16 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:16 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:10 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:21 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:27 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:00 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:09 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:36 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:42 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:20 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:31 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:43 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-05 22:07 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:22 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 10:36 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:32 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:01 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:42 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:20 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:28 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-10-06 21:03 -0500
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2016-10-06 19:18 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-06 19:27 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:33 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-07 20:41 +0200
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 13:37 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 00:00 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 22:32 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:42 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 15:59 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:16 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:51 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 23:51 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 23:55 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:21 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:29 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 10:26 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:09 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 11:19 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:27 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 11:35 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:56 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 11:59 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 15:01 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 12:07 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 15:35 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 12:43 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 15:36 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 12:45 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 20:54 +0000
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 17:17 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 16:48 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 22:55 +0000
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 19:04 -0400
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 23:17 +0000
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 19:30 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-03 16:01 -0600
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-17 10:00 -0700
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 20:16 +0100
Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 14:51 -0500
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nsv97u$ajc$3@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #95212 |
On 2016-10-03 7:29 PM, Wolf K wrote: > On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: > [...] >> What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not >> otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? > [...] > > A whore solicits customers. > And? Failure answer the question.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 09:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <UUNIz.14490$SE2.12638@fx20.iad> |
| In reply to | #95221 |
On 2016-10-03 23:55, Alan Baker wrote: > On 2016-10-03 7:29 PM, Wolf K wrote: >> On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: >> [...] >>> What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not >>> otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? >> [...] >> >> A whore solicits customers. >> > > And? > > Failure answer the question. You used "accept". A whore solicits. -- Best, Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
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| From | PAS <abc@doremi.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 10:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nt0cr8$gn0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95212 |
On 10/3/2016 10:29 PM, Wolf K wrote: > On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: > [...] >> What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not >> otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? > [...] > > A whore solicits customers. > Are you equating the government to whores? That's an insult to whores.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 10:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MROIz.12045$jF2.1049@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #95240 |
On 2016-10-04 10:03, PAS wrote: > On 10/3/2016 10:29 PM, Wolf K wrote: >> On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: >> [...] >>> What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not >>> otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? >> [...] >> >> A whore solicits customers. >> > Are you equating the government to whores? That's an insult to whores. Touche. :-) -- Best, Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 09:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <g1g7vbddghq699hvp2jj5njsgiah3g6r1f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #95240 |
PAS wrote: >On 10/3/2016 10:29 PM, Wolf K wrote: >> On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: >> [...] >>> What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not >>> otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? >> [...] >> >> A whore solicits customers. >> > Are you equating the government to whores? That's an insult to whores. +1 -- "Hey, we don't call it Apelanta for nothing. If you're coming here, I apologize in advance if any screeching jigs make your visit unpleasant." - "DFS"
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| From | "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 16:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nsudqt$1oc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95108 |
"nospam" wrote in message news:031020161236327686%nospam@nospam.invalid... In article <nsu0rv$ei6$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: > > $300 > >million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18 > >billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine in > >a > >couple days. Big deal. > > Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. >apple pays a shitload of taxes. But not their fair share. > >Laughably lame troll brought to you by Fritz Wuehler. Try c.s.m.a. next > >time, dummy. > > Confused, fangurl This is CSMA. Try not to worry so much. We know the > courts decision was a blow to you. >it isn't. To you, maybe not, but to him a huge blow. And I'm happy for you. Maybe you can get an audience with Tim Cook for all your undying loyalty. Maybe he will take you out to dinner.
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 16:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nsuf7g$64d$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95134 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-03 4:08 PM, Mongoose wrote: > > > "nospam" wrote in message > news:031020161236327686%nospam@nospam.invalid... > > In article <nsu0rv$ei6$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose > <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: > >>> $300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes >>> in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in >>> profit to pay this >> fine in >a >>> couple days. Big deal. >> >> Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. > >> apple pays a shitload of taxes. > > But not their fair share. > >>> Laughably lame troll brought to you by Fritz Wuehler. Try >>> c.s.m.a. next time, dummy. >> >> Confused, fangurl This is CSMA. Try not to worry so much. We >> know the courts decision was a blow to you. > >> it isn't. > > To you, maybe not, but to him a huge blow. And I'm happy for you. > Maybe you can get an audience with Tim Cook for all your undying > loyalty. Maybe he will take you out to dinner. Tim Cook would invite him up for coffee, actually. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX8sA+AAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uiuEH/iT6xe5Z+tuV+rKKWctPv4ZD SPUco+cG/pCCqV2AXCxbj1r94SGEy7aZPflaPpi3RgagAOuhUZWLeg0kNKpbF1Gn 43+yxnijsDsHmeyQQ7wuJ0RZODzwKl2ramE42eQ3BTdJJyvceZHOetLTdNfeWcp7 /ZlxUjm74BZLFjv5xoyXYZ/5OyX7mG6PRqZiwbAJXWKvLY9xLPmzyQC7QPSCpbmz vSMBQoPbxoHKG+RVmeqskMzateL8h2O0N87enpaGy7bpXYtEdDN9KoYodj6Hxr+s aSKC0qDdU05mxHylKywAb+EHPnCDL4INQRsURbGYVyaWLH7IOeK1er48BIs3HrI= =sFUq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 16:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <031020161646468484%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #95134 |
In article <nsudqt$1oc$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: > > > > Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. > > >apple pays a shitload of taxes. > > But not their fair share. wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. google, microsoft, facebook, intel and many others use the same tax code in the same way, but as is typical with haters, they get a free pass.
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| From | "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 18:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nsulu7$ver$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95138 |
"nospam" wrote in message news:031020161646468484%nospam@nospam.invalid... In article <nsudqt$1oc$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: > > > > Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. > > >apple pays a shitload of taxes. > > But not their fair share. >wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. At the expense of US taxpayers. >google, microsoft, facebook, intel and many others use the same tax >code in the same way, but as is typical with haters, they get a free >pass. The only haters here are Appholes like you. No one really cares about google, microsoft, facebook, intel. Only you Appholes make it your lifes work to defend an uncaring corporate entity. Something must be lacking in your life. Buy another Apple toy, it might assuage your discontent.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <031020161838069212%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #95149 |
In article <nsulu7$ver$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: > "nospam" wrote in message news:031020161646468484%nospam@nospam.invalid... > > > > Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. > > > > >apple pays a shitload of taxes. > > > > But not their fair share. > > >wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. > > At the expense of US taxpayers. nope. > >google, microsoft, facebook, intel and many others use the same tax > >code in the same way, but as is typical with haters, they get a free > >pass. > > The only haters here are Appholes like you. No one really cares about > google, microsoft, facebook, intel. exactly my point. <http://www.taxjusticeblog.org/archive/2016/05/google_and_tax_avoidance_ from.php> You may have heard about Google Inc.¹s restructuring last year, which resulted in the technology company becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of a new Delaware corporation called Alphabet Inc. What you may not know is how this restructuring can help the company potentially avoid millions in state taxes. ... As of the end of 2015, Google had $58.3 billion in offshore ³permanently reinvested² profits on which it pays no U.S. taxes, up from $47.4 billion in 2014. > Only you Appholes make it your lifes > work to defend an uncaring corporate entity. Something must be lacking in > your life. Buy another Apple toy, it might assuage your discontent. i'm not defending anything. i'm just pointing out how much of a hypocrite you and your ilk are. apple is doing *nothing* illegal, and ireland is on *apple's* side, appealing the eu decision.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 22:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <uqEIz.46340$Vf2.3746@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #95153 |
On 2016-10-03 18:38, nospam wrote: > In article <nsulu7$ver$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose > <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: > >> > "nospam" wrote in message news:031020161646468484%nospam@nospam.invalid... >> > >>>> > > > Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. >>> > > >>>> > > >apple pays a shitload of taxes. >>> > > >>> > > But not their fair share. >> > >>> > >wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. >> > >> > At the expense of US taxpayers. > nope. [etc] Those who arrange for loopholes to be opened up for them by "the best legislature that money can buy" increase the tax burden on the rest of us. Public goods cost money. Of course everyone pays sales taxes, excise taxes, etc, but income tax is still the fairest way to tax people. If you get a lot from the community, you owe a lot to that community. Why? Because without them you'd get nothing at all. Have a good day, -- Best, Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 21:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nsv9vr$cbe$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #95210 |
On 2016-10-03 7:25 PM, Wolf K wrote: > On 2016-10-03 18:38, nospam wrote: >> In article <nsulu7$ver$1@dont-email.me>, Mongoose >> <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> wrote: >> >>> > "nospam" wrote in message >>> news:031020161646468484%nospam@nospam.invalid... >>> > >>>>> > > > Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. >>>> > > >>>>> > > >apple pays a shitload of taxes. >>>> > > >>>> > > But not their fair share. >>> > >>>> > >wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. >>> > >>> > At the expense of US taxpayers. >> nope. [etc] > > Those who arrange for loopholes to be opened up for them by "the best > legislature that money can buy" increase the tax burden on the rest of > us. Public goods cost money. Of course everyone pays sales taxes, excise > taxes, etc, but income tax is still the fairest way to tax people. If > you get a lot from the community, you owe a lot to that community. Why? > Because without them you'd get nothing at all. > > Have a good day, > > The fact that Apple is extremely successful DECREASES the tax burden on everyone else in the country. But just like everyone else, they are free to organize their affairs to minimize the taxes they have to pay.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 09:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <M4OIz.16375$tB2.10796@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #95224 |
On 2016-10-04 00:08, Alan Baker wrote: > The fact that Apple is extremely successful DECREASES the tax burden on > everyone else in the country. Especially when they pay 1% or less of their income. More here: http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2016/08/30/apples-irish-tax-bill-at-a-glance/ Enjoy. -- Best, Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
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| From | GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 14:22 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nt131m$2t5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95224 |
On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote: <snip> Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet? If so, did it speed up any?
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 01:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nt2e9a$8mb$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #95255 |
On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote: > <snip> > > Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet? > > If so, did it speed up any? > No, not yet. I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to adopt the latest thing. :-)
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| From | GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 11:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nt3bsm$oei$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95278 |
On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote: > On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >> On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote: >> <snip> >> >> Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet? >> >> If so, did it speed up any? >> > > No, not yet. > > I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to adopt the > latest thing. > > :-) That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow. Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or a big SSD. BTW, when you receive email with a photo attached, and then you select the photo for printout, does the preview pane show only a portion of the photo? We're having this problem on and off since last spring. Could it be tied to the HP printer driver?
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 16:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nt3n6r$2o2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95280 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-05 1:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote: >> On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>> On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote: <snip> >>> >>> Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet? >>> >>> If so, did it speed up any? >>> >> >> No, not yet. >> >> I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to >> adopt the latest thing. >> >> :-) > > That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow. > Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or > a big SSD. Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it. Apple is happy to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_ from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience would be fantastic. Maybe things will change once the filesystem is replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less implement. < snip > - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX9WAqAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uyAIH/2f2FK9T78iYbJ7eCnkwed5i hKR4N/PJe62396uIbBxc8RUfxi8c3RZWjMRD08Jydtv/BXGgxM5Iws8v9Vo4idVY /bFPEkbYyo2dQVtMRVBJVo0+uMdRRqa4oJLDpFCb9maGvpi2U1lBNyLbHXS3g4HH e7S/xrCSziIdgWUh0gMB+oiFBB8WgmiyIxnEy2hvUweQO6R4/EIBgx/+Ph4y6Cf6 TPnQCwnRvNPKEjafG1jybhu7iND5eUQIVhUwcpaXxcdamt+K9hFkhHxPs6aA+ejc v4eAbAxcEt8VpsUN1tYeTlylbHQlseOhs2IjzgmtU4a0fFs9A9sXfacsvd8PFz8= =rSit -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 22:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20161005224506.5ecd6c61@maxa-pc.cpe.bvcom.net> |
| In reply to | #95281 |
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 16:18:50 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2016-10-05 1:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > > On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote: > >> On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > >>> On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote: <snip> > >>> > >>> Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet? > >>> > >>> If so, did it speed up any? > >>> > >> > >> No, not yet. > >> > >> I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to > >> adopt the latest thing. > >> > >> :-) > > > > That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow. > > Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or > > a big SSD. > > Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what > kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it. Apple is happy > to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I > recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini > to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even > that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or > Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_ > from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience > would be fantastic. Maybe things will change once the filesystem is > replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is > something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less > implement. OSX does not have dreaded Windows Update... with 8GB of RAM it runs pretty decent.... not that I didn't tried heavy processing on it, nor I need that... -- press any key to continue or any other to quit
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 16:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nt3p1q$9mj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95283 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-05 4:45 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 16:18:50 -0400 Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 2016-10-05 1:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>> On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>>>> On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote: <snip> >>>>> >>>>> Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra >>>>> yet? >>>>> >>>>> If so, did it speed up any? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, not yet. >>>> >>>> I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush >>>> to adopt the latest thing. >>>> >>>> :-) >>> >>> That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow. >>> Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard >>> drive or a big SSD. >> >> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter >> what kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it. Apple >> is happy to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing >> at all. I recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on >> their Mac Mini to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD >> in there but even that kind of old technology would work >> relatively well with Linux or Windows on it. On the Mac? >> Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_ from 4GB to 8GB despiet >> assurances from zealots that the experience would be fantastic. >> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is replaced (did it >> happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is something absolutely >> no one at Apple can even spell much less implement. > > OSX does not have dreaded Windows Update... with 8GB of RAM it > runs pretty decent.... not that I didn't tried heavy processing on > it, nor I need that... Windows 10 runs OK on 1GB of RAM on a 10 year-old computer. I know this because I did it for a student. 2GB gives you a better experience so your 2007-2008 machine is still well-served. 4GB and it's quite good whereas OS X chugs along like molasses. 8GB and you have an excellent experience whereas OS X still just chugs along like molasses. I can't imagine why Apple users would be ready and willing to accept such abhorrent performance from a modern, expensive machine. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX9WeJAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uEoMH/1BcLb7mocTysBjwivkpVGHb xhjgOW6u4T2HB6TliiOmk3mMd0jdM4e50veuDoSMlC5RFShR0MAb3OJ2IJBL77bs RYtybc6P5FkoVQAg1uYEyYUPIx2AOw56bxZ8aVOuFkTlE79ZBiRNPfSTjmz0eQ6p s44XOQNzbqKzF9kb7Wzg4LUw3iI2KDYED63TCtJOClexGsbuTl1AeUyO7DH5PkAa PHb2CzpTFkfB4WYPuG6AwmqEwvfGbrRxmXPL/ROZETCNtvahbZdbaYXW5XT8rKyJ UqhN+nXFn0fP6Vpy4YnE41GfCTBkQLkmF1dvHM8htfwtaLmMx6Ts40De8Ae8BVA= =H0CE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-05 16:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051020161653270022%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #95284 |
In article <nt3p1q$9mj$1@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote: > Windows 10 runs OK on 1GB of RAM on a 10 year-old computer. no it doesn't. i have it on a 7 year old computer and it redefines the meaning of slow. > I know > this because I did it for a student. 2GB gives you a better experience > so your 2007-2008 machine is still well-served. 4GB and it's quite > good whereas OS X chugs along like molasses. 8GB and you have an > excellent experience whereas OS X still just chugs along like > molasses. I can't imagine why Apple users would be ready and willing > to accept such abhorrent performance from a modern, expensive machine. nonsense.
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