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  A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.  Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-08 20:31 -0500
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 18:59 -0700
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2015-04-09 02:41 +0000
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 20:12 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-09 01:18 -0400
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 22:31 -0700
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 14:00 +0000
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 08:53 -0700
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:24 +0000
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 10:48 -0700
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-09 14:39 -0400
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 23:01 +0000
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:59 +0000
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:08 -0400
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 15:22 +0000
                            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 11:58 -0400
                              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:27 +0000
                                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 09:21 -0400
                                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 10:42 -0400
                                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 15:39 +0000
                                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 13:01 -0400
                                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
                                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 21:57 +0000
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 13:39 +0000
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 08:51 -0700
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:21 +0000
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 13:27 -0400
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:53 +0000
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:12 -0400
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-10 20:00 -0700
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-10 09:22 -0400
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 15:19 +0000
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-10 13:46 -0400
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:24 +0000
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 10:39 -0700
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:54 +0000
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-08 21:30 -0700
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 21:52 -0700
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-09 10:58 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 09:00 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-09 12:02 -0400
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 09:16 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:34 +0000
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-09 18:46 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:31 +0000
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-09 12:17 -0700
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 12:35 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-09 17:30 -0700
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 18:17 -0700
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-09 18:54 -0700
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:08 -0400
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 22:10 +0100
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:11 -0400
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 23:06 +0100
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-10 00:48 -0400
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 11:55 +0000
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-04-10 10:59 -0400
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-19 08:33 +1200
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-04-19 17:33 -0400
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-19 16:53 -0500
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 22:59 +0100
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 15:24 -0700
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:21 -0500
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 14:44 -0500
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 16:18 -0500
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-21 19:00 -0500
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-20 10:51 +1200
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-19 16:59 -0700
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-20 03:26 +0000
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:20 -0500
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-20 03:40 +0000
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:15 -0500
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-20 10:23 -0700
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 13:49 -0500
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-10 00:41 -0400
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-09 14:06 +1200
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-09 12:00 -0400
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 12:50 +0000
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 10:19 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 10:41 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:17 +0000
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-04-10 07:34 -0400
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:14 -0400
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-20 19:31 -0700
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-20 23:53 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 09:45 -0400
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 07:14 -0400
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-21 18:46 -0500

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#72934

On 4/9/15, 12:00 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>> Different experience here. I upgraded to 10.10.3 this morning. I just
>> checked, and iPhoto is still there.
>
> Not on my Mac after the update.

I wonder.... Did you have anything in your iPhotos library?

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#72936

On 2015-04-09 16:02:20 +0000, J Burns said:

> On 4/9/15, 12:00 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> Different experience here. I upgraded to 10.10.3 this morning. I just
>>> checked, and iPhoto is still there.
>> 
>> Not on my Mac after the update.
> 
> I wonder.... Did you have anything in your iPhotos library?

Come to think of it, not on this Mac. I certainly have some on my 
antique G4, and my old MBP.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#72942

In message <2015040909000236134-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2015-04-09 14:58:22 +0000, David Fritzinger said:

>> Different experience here. I upgraded to 10.10.3 this morning. I just 
>> checked, and iPhoto is still there.

> Not on my Mac after the update.

Yes, but you appear to be the only person who had iPhoto deleted.

-- 
"Making music should not be left to the professionals." -  Michelle
Shocked

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#72954

On 2015-04-09 16:00:02 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2015-04-09 14:58:22 +0000, David Fritzinger said:
> 
>> On 2015-04-09 01:59:54 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>> On 2015-04-09 01:31:54 +0000, Juan I. Cahis said:
>>> 
>>>> Dear friends:
>>>> 
>>>> I understand that Yosemite today's update replaces Aperture and iPhoto by a
>>>> new Apple product.
>>>> 
>>>> But are Aperture or iPhoto *deleted* from the Mac's hard disk whenti
>>>> upgrading? Or can both products be used after upgrading?
>>>> 
>>>> If you did the upgrade, could you check this issue for me?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks a lot again.
>>> 
>>> I never installed Aperture as I have a Lightroom-Photoshop workflow. 
>>> However, I had iPhoto, unused, in mothballs, and gathering dust in my 
>>> Applications folder. It has vanished since my update to OSX 10.10.3, 
>>> and seems to have gone off to that wasteland for End of Life apps.
>>> I imagine that since Aperture was payware Apple cannot arbitarily 
>>> remove it from an owner's hard drive. It can just make it inoperable 
>>> with future OSX updates.
>> 
>> Different experience here. I upgraded to 10.10.3 this morning. I just 
>> checked, and iPhoto is still there.
> 
> Not on my Mac after the update.
> 
>> By the way, I've only played with it a bit, but it looks as if Photos 
>> removed the event titles, given events in iPhoto. Am I missing 
>> something?
> 
> Nope. Events is like iPhoto & Aperture, history. It is a simplified 
> editor/photo manager to make iOS users feel comfortable.
> Photos is not a case of less is more. Sometimes minimalism sucks.

Agreed. I have been relying on the event titles to remind me of what I 
was photographing, and sometimes where and who was in it. Now, all that 
information is lost. IMHO, someone at Apple screwed up, big time.

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#72941

In message <mg640n$2pd$1@dont-email.me> 
  David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> wrote:
> By the way, I've only played with it a bit, but it looks as if Photos 
> removed the event titles, given events in iPhoto. Am I missing 
> something? 

The whole events structure is gone. Photos are automatically sorted to
various levels of granularity based on the location and time.

And I was wrong in my previous post, one thing that is still better in
iPhoto is searching. For example, I don't think there is anyway to
search *in Photos* for "images that are 1920x1080".

Of course, you can do that search in the Finder, so ...


-- 
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming in
terror like his passengers.

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#72946

On 2015-04-09 01:59:54 +0000, Savageduck said:

> It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.

I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.

What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.

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#72947

On 2015-04-09 19:17:13 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:

> On 2015-04-09 01:59:54 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
>> It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
> 
> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
> 
> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.

Probably not, but we have no way of knowing what the future will bring, 
and what incompatibilities will arise. That has happened in the past.

...but lets just say that you have an image file asset library of 
40,000 -100,000 RAW files. Would you take the gamble to use an end of 
life application, with no support to manage those assets?
I chose to go with the aplication which won that battle, Lightroom.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#72961

On 2015-04-09 19:35:46 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2015-04-09 19:17:13 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:
> 
>> On 2015-04-09 01:59:54 +0000, Savageduck said:
>> 
>>> It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
>> 
>> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
>> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
>> 
>> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
>> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.
> 
> Probably not, but we have no way of knowing what the future will bring, 
> and what incompatibilities will arise. That has happened in the past.
> 
> ...but lets just say that you have an image file asset library of 
> 40,000 -100,000 RAW files. Would you take the gamble to use an end of 
> life application, with no support to manage those assets?
> I chose to go with the aplication which won that battle, Lightroom.

I will never again purchase any Adobe software - if it is even possible 
to "purchase" it in the future.

If I have to use Aperture on an OS that no longer receives regular 
updates, that is fine by me.

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#72964

On 2015-04-10 00:30:05 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:

> On 2015-04-09 19:35:46 +0000, Savageduck said:
>> On 2015-04-09 19:17:13 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:
>>> On 2015-04-09 01:59:54 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>> 
>>>> It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
>>> 
>>> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
>>> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
>>> 
>>> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
>>> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.
>> 
>> Probably not, but we have no way of knowing what the future will bring, 
>> and what incompatibilities will arise. That has happened in the past.
>> 
>> ...but lets just say that you have an image file asset library of 
>> 40,000 -100,000 RAW files. Would you take the gamble to use an end of 
>> life application, with no support to manage those assets?
>> I chose to go with the aplication which won that battle, Lightroom.
> 
> I will never again purchase any Adobe software

That is your decision to make, I am not going to ask why.

> - if it is even possible to "purchase" it in the future.

Certainly not any of the latest Adobe applications, those are all in 
the subscription model Creative Cloud. However, Lightroom is available 
for purchase either as a box version, or via download, as is Photoshop 
Elements.

> If I have to use Aperture on an OS that no longer receives regular 
> updates, that is fine by me.

Then that seems to be your best option. Though for now it appears that 
Aperture will function under OSX10.10.3, just be wary of future OS 
updates.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#72968

On 2015-04-10 00:30:05 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:

> I will never again purchase any Adobe software - if it is even possible 
> to "purchase" it in the future.

+1

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#72973

In article <mg75gl$7cg$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex
<bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I will never again purchase any Adobe software - if it is even possible 
> to "purchase" it in the future.

your loss.

> If I have to use Aperture on an OS that no longer receives regular 
> updates, that is fine by me.

up until you want to run an app that requires a newer os or your old
hardware croaks and you have little choice but to upgrade.

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#72949

In article <mg6j61$3js$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex
<bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
> 
> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
> 
> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.

correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
and there won't be any fixes.

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#72950

In article <090420151708182159%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <mg6j61$3js$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex
><bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
>> 
>> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
>> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
>> 
>> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
>> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.
>
>correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
>and there won't be any fixes.

Nothing stops you running an older OS in a VM. That's the point at
which you take action.

-- 
"Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your 
intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, 
and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. 
I want to know what the evidence shows."             -- Richard Dawkins

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#72951

In article <090420152210080584%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> >> > It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
> >> 
> >> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
> >> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
> >> 
> >> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
> >> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.
> >
> >correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
> >and there won't be any fixes.
> 
> Nothing stops you running an older OS in a VM. That's the point at
> which you take action.

true but that's a pain in the ass.

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#72953

In article <090420151711404315%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <090420152210080584%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> >> > It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
>> >> 
>> >> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
>> >> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
>> >> 
>> >> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
>> >> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.
>> >
>> >correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
>> >and there won't be any fixes.
>> 
>> Nothing stops you running an older OS in a VM. That's the point at
>> which you take action.
>
>true but that's a pain in the ass.

Do it now or do it later - it's a pain in the donkey either way.
Applications, and their file formats, seem to be time limited.

-- 
"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then 
 quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)

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#72972

In article <090420152306273337%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> >> >> > It can just make it inoperable with future OSX updates.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I doubt they will even go that far.  iWeb and WebObjects still work 
> >> >> fine on 10.10 despite being abandoned for years.
> >> >> 
> >> >> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
> >> >> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.
> >> >
> >> >correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
> >> >and there won't be any fixes.
> >> 
> >> Nothing stops you running an older OS in a VM. That's the point at
> >> which you take action.
> >
> >true but that's a pain in the ass.
> 
> Do it now or do it later - it's a pain in the donkey either way.
> Applications, and their file formats, seem to be time limited.

it doesn't affect me at all. 

aperture always lagged lightroom from the start. it was always an
afterthought for apple.

there had always been ongoing rumours that it was going to be cancelled
and most recently with several years of no significant updates, the
writing was on the wall that it was dead.

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#72978

On 15-04-09 17:08, nospam wrote:

> correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
> and there won't be any fixes.

Standard practice for any app which is no longer supported.

MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
making a number of apps no longer functional. It could happen sometime
in the futiure for some framework used by iPhoto.

On the other hand, Apple specifically disabled Server Monitor/Admin apps
from launching, so this was an active decision to prohobit those apps
from running.


There may come a time where using iPhotos could corrupt the image
inventory that is expected by Photos, at which point, Apple might decide
to disable iPhotos alltogether.  Only time will tell.

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#72986

In message <55275623$0$41581$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-09 17:08, nospam wrote:

>> correct. all apple is saying is that at some point aperture may break
>> and there won't be any fixes.

> Standard practice for any app which is no longer supported.

> MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
> making a number of apps no longer functional.

Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.

-- 
she [Esk] was already learning that if you ignore the rules people will,
half the time, quietly rewrite them so they don't apply to you. --Equal
Rites

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#73000

In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
> > making a number of apps no longer functional.
> 
> Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
> deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.

How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?

-- 
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com

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#73417

M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:

> In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
> > > making a number of apps no longer functional.
> > 
> > Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
> > deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
> 
> How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?

The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
(Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
going away at some point.

Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
concerned.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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