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Unwanted Focus switches

Started byAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
First post2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
Last post2014-06-27 18:26 +1000
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  Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:25 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:31 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:44 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:51 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:24 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 12:49 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:10 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 13:22 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:39 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 22:24 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 19:32 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:08 +0000
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:59 -0400
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:05 +1000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:27 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:15 +0100
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:00 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 00:16 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 22:03 +0100
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:23 +0100
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:07 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 23:18 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:49 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:26 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:10 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:01 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 16:14 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:20 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:53 -0400
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 22:54 -0400
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:41 +0000
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:46 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:51 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:05 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:33 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 16:48 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:27 +0200
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:39 +0200
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:44 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +1200
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:30 +0200
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:12 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-19 23:47 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:00 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 17:09 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:39 +0200
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:32 +0200
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:20 +0000
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:29 -0700
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:54 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 02:29 -0700
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:28 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 19:34 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 15:59 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:06 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:26 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:52 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:48 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:57 +0200
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:45 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:08 -0700
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:12 +0200
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 10:36 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-22 16:20 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:22 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 20:24 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:24 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 23:15 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:39 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:00 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:09 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:43 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-24 15:35 +0200
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:42 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-23 14:41 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 07:46 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-24 12:06 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 18:40 -0400
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 03:16 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:19 -0400
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 21:16 +0000
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 06:52 -0400
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 15:59 +0000
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 17:25 -0400
                                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 22:45 +0000
                                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:47 -0400
                                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:50 -0400
                                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:43 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-20 17:50 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:15 +0200
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:03 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:21 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-25 07:41 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 17:25 +0000
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-25 18:34 +0100
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 14:51 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 19:55 +0000
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 15:32 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 20:02 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-26 17:27 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-26 19:08 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 04:41 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 04:48 +0000
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:20 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 22:04 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:36 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 10:34 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-29 15:11 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:59 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:27 +0000
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 07:59 -0700
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 22:08 -0400
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:11 -0400
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-28 22:22 -0700
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 14:46 -0400
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:01 -0700
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:36 +0000
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:46 -0700
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 23:13 +0000
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 21:54 +0000
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 21:40 -0400
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 02:12 +0000
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-30 02:27 +0000
                                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 13:52 -0400
                                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 19:51 +0000
                                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 16:07 -0400
                                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:52 +0000
                                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:08 +0000
                                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-01 13:16 -0400
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 08:19 -0400
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:12 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 04:19 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-28 20:35 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-26 14:42 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000

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#61165

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-06-19 21:54 -0400
Message-ID<barmar-DEF315.21545519062014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#61163
In article <myoaxocqs7.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
 Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu 
 <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:

> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
> 
> > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome 
> > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of 
> > the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the 
> > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as 
> > I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
> > 
> > Irritating.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> > 
> > Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
> 
> I see this sort of thing a few times every day while I'm using X11,
> often when I'm not typing or touching anything.  I don't recall ever
> seeing this happen when I was using an app other than X11.

I was going to ask if any of the other people seeing this bug were using 
X11. This is a longstanding bug in the XQuartz server:

http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/58

I don't use X11 much, but I occasinally use Wireshark and it's REALLY 
ANNOYING when it does this.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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#61185

FromMartin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid>
Date2014-06-20 02:29 -0700
Message-ID<my61jwvshn.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
In reply to#61165
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> In article <myoaxocqs7.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
>  Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu 
>  <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
> > 
> > > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome 
> > > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of 
> > > the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the 
> > > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as 
> > > I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
> > > 
> > > Irritating.
> > > 
> > > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> > > 
> > > Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
> > 
> > I see this sort of thing a few times every day while I'm using X11,
> > often when I'm not typing or touching anything.  I don't recall ever
> > seeing this happen when I was using an app other than X11.
> 
> I was going to ask if any of the other people seeing this bug were using 
> X11. This is a longstanding bug in the XQuartz server:
> 
> http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/58

As I said, I've seen this problem for years.  

Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
this problem for me.  

I thought I had avoided Google Software Update long ago but clearly
not.  Now it is uninstalled along with a couple of Google apps I never
use.  We'll see if there are other causes of X11 losing focus briefly.
Many people report various programs causing the problem.

Martin

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#61205

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-20 16:28 +0000
Message-ID<c0j5q7F2sr8U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61185
On 2014-06-20, Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
> script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
> discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
> this problem for me.  

You mean it's not the result of "a longstanding bug in osx"? Imagine
that. 

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#61214

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Message-ID<200620141317151453%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61205
In article <c0j5q7F2sr8U7@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
> > script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
> > discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
> > this problem for me.  
> 
> You mean it's not the result of "a longstanding bug in osx"? Imagine
> that.

google software update may exacerbate it, but the bug is in the os and
can affect *any* app.

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#61223

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-20 19:34 +0000
Message-ID<c0jgmkF4re6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61214
On 2014-06-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c0j5q7F2sr8U7@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
>> > script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
>> > discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
>> > this problem for me.  
>> 
>> You mean it's not the result of "a longstanding bug in osx"? Imagine
>> that.
>
> google software update may exacerbate it, but the bug is in the os and
> can affect *any* app.

...still waiting for a shred of evidence supporting your assertion.

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#61226

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-20 15:59 -0400
Message-ID<200620141559567078%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61223
In article <c0jgmkF4re6U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
> >> > script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
> >> > discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
> >> > this problem for me.  
> >> 
> >> You mean it's not the result of "a longstanding bug in osx"? Imagine
> >> that.
> >
> > google software update may exacerbate it, but the bug is in the os and
> > can affect *any* app.
> 
> ...still waiting for a shred of evidence supporting your assertion.

already provided.

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#61229

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-20 20:06 +0000
Message-ID<c0jihiF5op2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61226
On 2014-06-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c0jgmkF4re6U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
>> >> > script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
>> >> > discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
>> >> > this problem for me.  
>> >> 
>> >> You mean it's not the result of "a longstanding bug in osx"? Imagine
>> >> that.
>> >
>> > google software update may exacerbate it, but the bug is in the os and
>> > can affect *any* app.
>> 
>> ...still waiting for a shred of evidence supporting your assertion.
>
> already provided.

simply saying it doesn't make it true.

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#61305

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-21 08:26 -0400
Message-ID<26OdnRhm_5Wa5zjOnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61185
On 2014.06.20, 05:29 , Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu wrote:
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
>
>> In article <myoaxocqs7.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
>>   Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu
>>   <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>>>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>>>> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>>>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>>>> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>>>
>>>> Irritating.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>>>
>>>> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>>>
>>> I see this sort of thing a few times every day while I'm using X11,
>>> often when I'm not typing or touching anything.  I don't recall ever
>>> seeing this happen when I was using an app other than X11.
>>
>> I was going to ask if any of the other people seeing this bug were using
>> X11. This is a longstanding bug in the XQuartz server:
>>
>> http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/58
>
> As I said, I've seen this problem for years.
>
> Thanks for posting the above link, as that page contains a python
> script that watches for program activations.  With that I was able to
> discover that Google Software Update has been at least one cause of
> this problem for me.
>
> I thought I had avoided Google Software Update long ago but clearly
> not.  Now it is uninstalled along with a couple of Google apps I never
> use.  We'll see if there are other causes of X11 losing focus briefly.
> Many people report various programs causing the problem.
>
> Martin
>


Running - thanks.  We'll see if that helps.



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#61188

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-20 07:52 -0400
Message-ID<0uqdnYbZoaH_vTnOnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61163
On 2014.06.19, 21:29 , Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
>
>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>
>> Irritating.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>
>> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>
> I see this sort of thing a few times every day while I'm using X11,
> often when I'm not typing or touching anything.  I don't recall ever
> seeing this happen when I was using an app other than X11.
>
> As you say, the RYG lights go off and if I'm typing at the time, an
> error bong occurs for each key typed.  X11 continues to be the app
> listed in the Menubar, but no other X11 window gets its RYG lights
> turned on.  The cursor stays where it was (in my current X11 window).
> No windows are raised or lowered.
>
> If I wait about 6-8 seconds, the focus comes back, the RYG lights go
> back on, and the cursor in the X11 window becomes solid again (instead
> of an outline).
>
> I can short circuit the 6-8 second wait by clicking in my window to
> get the focus back immediately.
>
> This is under Mavericks but was happening in at least Mountain Lion,
> Snow Leopard and Leopard (and maybe before Leopard as well).


Pretty much what I'm seeing (though I don't use X11 unless I've got 
inkscape loaded (not often)).  I've never had the focus return by itself 
- OTOH maybe I'm too quick to mouse back for such to occur automatically.


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#61217

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
Message-ID<53a485dd$0$7241$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#61188
On 14-06-20 07:52, Alan Browne wrote:

> Pretty much what I'm seeing (though I don't use X11 unless I've got 
> inkscape loaded (not often)).  I've never had the focus return by itself 
> - OTOH maybe I'm too quick to mouse back for such to occur automatically.


X11 has options with regards to treatment of focus. You can specify that
focus be on last place clicked (active window) or follows the mouse.

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#61234

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-06-20 16:48 -0400
Message-ID<barmar-F69A2A.16483020062014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#61217
In article <53a485dd$0$7241$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-06-20 07:52, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
> > Pretty much what I'm seeing (though I don't use X11 unless I've got 
> > inkscape loaded (not often)).  I've never had the focus return by itself 
> > - OTOH maybe I'm too quick to mouse back for such to occur automatically.
> 
> 
> X11 has options with regards to treatment of focus. You can specify that
> focus be on last place clicked (active window) or follows the mouse.

That's a feature of the X11 Window Manager. When you use XQuartz, you're 
using the OS X Window Manager, not the X11 Window Manager.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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#61292

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-06-21 08:57 +0200
Message-ID<60nf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#61217
On 2014-06-20, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-06-20 07:52, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Pretty much what I'm seeing (though I don't use X11 unless I've got 
>> inkscape loaded (not often)).  I've never had the focus return by itself 
>> - OTOH maybe I'm too quick to mouse back for such to occur automatically.
>
>
> X11 has options with regards to treatment of focus. You can specify that
> focus be on last place clicked (active window) or follows the mouse.

It would only take a subtle bug in the "Focus follows mouse" code to
activate it when it's supposed to be switched off.  Perhaps that's the area
to look at to resolve this bug?

-- 
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#61307

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-21 08:45 -0400
Message-ID<FPGdndGbV5ge4zjOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61217
On 2014.06.20, 15:05 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 14-06-20 07:52, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Pretty much what I'm seeing (though I don't use X11 unless I've got
>> inkscape loaded (not often)).  I've never had the focus return by itself
>> - OTOH maybe I'm too quick to mouse back for such to occur automatically.
>
>
> X11 has options with regards to treatment of focus. You can specify that
> focus be on last place clicked (active window) or follows the mouse.

I don't give a crap about X11 - the focus switches occur in a variety of 
apps when I'm not using X11 at all.  (And did not occur during a 1 hour 
or so inkscape session yesterday...)


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#61272

FromMartin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid>
Date2014-06-20 18:08 -0700
Message-ID<mywqcb133s.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
In reply to#61188
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> On 2014.06.19, 21:29 , Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu wrote:
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
> >
> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
> >>
> >> Irritating.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> >>
> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
> >
> > I see this sort of thing a few times every day while I'm using X11,
> > often when I'm not typing or touching anything.  I don't recall ever
> > seeing this happen when I was using an app other than X11.
> >
> > As you say, the RYG lights go off and if I'm typing at the time, an
> > error bong occurs for each key typed.  X11 continues to be the app
> > listed in the Menubar, but no other X11 window gets its RYG lights
> > turned on.  The cursor stays where it was (in my current X11 window).
> > No windows are raised or lowered.
> >
> > If I wait about 6-8 seconds, the focus comes back, the RYG lights go
> > back on, and the cursor in the X11 window becomes solid again (instead
> > of an outline).
> >
> > I can short circuit the 6-8 second wait by clicking in my window to
> > get the focus back immediately.
> >
> > This is under Mavericks but was happening in at least Mountain Lion,
> > Snow Leopard and Leopard (and maybe before Leopard as well).
> 
> 
> Pretty much what I'm seeing (though I don't use X11 unless I've got 
> inkscape loaded (not often)).  I've never had the focus return by itself 
> - OTOH maybe I'm too quick to mouse back for such to occur automatically.

I recommend grabbing the python script watch_activations.py mentioned
here (the script has nothing to do with X11, so anyone can use it):

  http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/58

Run that script continuously in some terminal window.  When the focus
changes, the script will show what caused the focus to change.

There can be many causes, such as Google Software Updater (in my case)
or Calendar, etc.  Some you may not be able to do away with, but
perhaps some you can.

I've eliminated Google Software Updater and I haven't seen the focus
problem since (in 7-8 hours of Mac usage).

Martin

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#61293

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-06-21 09:12 +0200
Message-ID<esnf7b-u17.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#61272
On 2014-06-21, Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> I recommend grabbing the python script watch_activations.py mentioned
> here (the script has nothing to do with X11, so anyone can use it):
>
>   http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/58
>
> Run that script continuously in some terminal window.  When the focus
> changes, the script will show what caused the focus to change.

Having wasted a bit of time locating it, the attachment is to be found at
the top of the thread, in the "Attachments" section.

> There can be many causes, such as Google Software Updater (in my case)
> or Calendar, etc.  Some you may not be able to do away with, but
> perhaps some you can.
>
> I've eliminated Google Software Updater and I haven't seen the focus
> problem since (in 7-8 hours of Mac usage).

I recall Google Software Updater misbehaviour from several years ago
(something to do with an early release of Google Video, before they bought
Youtube IIRC.  It or some associated software would keep files open on
an external disk and prevent it from dismounting, which caused a lot of
cussing at the time).

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#61202

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Message-ID<2014062009272254679-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#61121
On 2014-06-19 15:18:44 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> 
> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the 
> Chrome address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly 
> out of the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app 
> (on the menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error 
> bings as I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to 
> continue.
> 
> Irritating.
> 
> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> 
> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?

I can't say that I have experienced the issue as you have described it.

I also recall that you use a touchpad, I don't. So I wonder if perhaps 
your issue might somehow be touchpad related.

That said I use multiple Desktop spaces (4) for different apps. So I 
have found I don't have the problem of unwanted windows (at the moment) 
coming unacceptably to the front (or perhaps changing focus).
For example, I have a desktop space for photo editing apps (PS, LR, 
etc.), another for browser (Chrome or Safari & Mail), a third desktop 
for my usenet client, and a fourth for all other stuff. That way I 
don't have a stack of unnecessarily or unrelated open windows on any 
one desktop space.

< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_746.jpg >



-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#61356

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-22 10:36 -0400
Message-ID<b7KdnVHn1ONqdDvOnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61202
On 2014.06.20, 12:27 , Savageduck wrote:
> On 2014-06-19 15:18:44 +0000, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>
>>
>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the
>> Chrome address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly
>> out of the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app
>> (on the menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error
>> bings as I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to
>> continue.
>>
>> Irritating.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>
>> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>
> I can't say that I have experienced the issue as you have described it.
>
> I also recall that you use a touchpad, I don't. So I wonder if perhaps
> your issue might somehow be touchpad related.

It could be, OTOH, the foreground app remains the one I'm in - just it's 
window is no longer the focus.  It wasn't like this before either - I've 
had the trackpad for a couple years.

>
> That said I use multiple Desktop spaces (4) for different apps. So I
> have found I don't have the problem of unwanted windows (at the moment)
> coming unacceptably to the front (or perhaps changing focus).

Again, the app I'm in remains FG - just the window I'm in is not the 
focus - nothing seems to be the focus.


> For example, I have a desktop space for photo editing apps (PS, LR,
> etc.), another for browser (Chrome or Safari & Mail), a third desktop
> for my usenet client, and a fourth for all other stuff. That way I don't
> have a stack of unnecessarily or unrelated open windows on any one
> desktop space.
>
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_746.jpg >
>
>
>


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#61357

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-06-22 16:20 +0000
Message-ID<lo6vno$8kg$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#61356
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes:

> Again, the app I'm in remains FG - just the window I'm in is not the 
> focus - nothing seems to be the focus.

Have you looked underneath it when this happens?  If you hover the
mouse cursor over the red-yellow-green buttons (upper left corner)
do they illuminate?  If you click the yellow button to minimize the
window, that should happen without bringing the input focus back
to it.  Perhaps you'll see something then.  Maybe.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#61360

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-22 17:22 -0400
Message-ID<5vydnR6dZJ-X1DrOnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61357
On 2014.06.22, 12:20 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes:
>
>> Again, the app I'm in remains FG - just the window I'm in is not the
>> focus - nothing seems to be the focus.
>
> Have you looked underneath it when this happens?  If you hover the
> mouse cursor over the red-yellow-green buttons (upper left corner)
> do they illuminate?  If you click the yellow button to minimize the
> window, that should happen without bringing the input focus back
> to it.  Perhaps you'll see something then.  Maybe.
>
> Billy Y..

I'll keep that in mind.  Naturally, since I posted the issue here it 
hasn't happened at all.  Maybe running the pythin script that Martin 
proposed scares the system into good behaviour...


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#61359

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-06-22 20:24 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlqees2.1ol1.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#61356
In message <b7KdnVHn1ONqdDvOnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> Again, the app I'm in remains FG - just the window I'm in is not the 
> focus - nothing seems to be the focus.

Have you told us if you are running Google Drive or have Google Chrome
installed? Or any Google software?

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