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  Yosemite Test Release TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-19 20:08 -0500
    Re: Yosemite Test Release billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 02:12 +0000
      Re: Yosemite Test Release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 03:18 +0000
    Re: Yosemite Test Release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 03:17 +0000
    Re: Yosemite Test Release Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 18:40 +1200
      Re: Yosemite Test Release dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 20:59 +1200
        Re: Yosemite Test Release Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 10:46 +0100
          Re: Yosemite Test Release Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 06:57 -0700
            Re: Yosemite Test Release Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 17:59 +0100
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 10:07 -0700
                Re: Yosemite Test Release Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-20 17:47 +0000
                Re: Yosemite Test Release Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:44 +0200
                  Re: Yosemite Test Release Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:13 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite Test Release JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:18 -0400
            Re: Yosemite Test Release nathalie_n <news@junk.com.invalid> - 2014-06-21 08:42 +0200
            Re: Yosemite Test Release Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-21 08:18 +0100
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-21 01:57 -0700
          Re: Yosemite Test Release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 19:24 +0000
            Re: Yosemite Test Release JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 16:30 -0400
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 14:31 -0700
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 22:08 +0000
            Re: Yosemite Test Release Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 22:27 +0100
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 14:46 -0700
                Re: Yosemite Test Release Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 22:56 +0100
                  Re: Yosemite Test Release Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 18:38 -0700
                Re: Yosemite Test Release Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:18 +1200
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 22:15 +0000
                Re: Yosemite Test Release Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 23:22 +0100
              Re: Yosemite Test Release Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:50 +0200
                Re: Yosemite Test Release Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:14 -0400
            Re: Yosemite Test Release Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:00 -0400
          Re: Yosemite Test Release Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:35 +0200
            Re: Yosemite Test Release Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-07-02 11:36 +0000
    Re: Yosemite Test Release Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:55 -0400
    Re: Yosemite Test Release Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:16 +0200
      Re: Yosemite Test Release Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:27 +0200

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#61161 — Yosemite Test Release

On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who 
tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be 
made?

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#61172

TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> writes:

> On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who 
> tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
> Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
> there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be 
> made?

From a mailing list published by the owner of Small Dog on 6 June -

| As a developer, I have access to the beta versions of this software
| [Yosemite] and I am the official Small Dog guinea pig. I will be able
| to report over the next several weeks on my experiences. If you sign
| up at Apple's website, you could be a part of the public beta program
| that will be coming this summer. Suffice it to say, at this point,
| the first releases of the software are very buggy and Apple has work
| to do. On the other hand, the new features that I have have been
| checking out are very cool.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#61175

In message <lo059g$pfb$2@reader2.panix.com> 
  billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> writes:

>> On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who 
>> tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
>> Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
>> there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be 
>> made?

> From a mailing list published by the owner of Small Dog on 6 June -

>| As a developer, I have access to the beta versions of this software
>| [Yosemite] and I am the official Small Dog guinea pig. I will be able
>| to report over the next several weeks on my experiences. If you sign
>| up at Apple's website, you could be a part of the public beta program
>| that will be coming this summer. Suffice it to say, at this point,
>| the first releases of the software are very buggy and Apple has work
>| to do. On the other hand, the new features that I have have been
>| checking out are very cool.

I agree with him. It is cool. There's much crashiness. So far, I am only
running Apple software, Mac App Store software, and the various CLI
tools I already had installed. I haven't even put Launchbar 6 on yet.


-- 
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glance like sunlight. 'That's what people say when the voiceless speak.'

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#61173

In message <c0hfsnFmodmU1@mid.individual.net> 
  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who 
> tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
> Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
> there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be 
> made?

No.

But I can guess that it will not come much before the end of the month
if it comes in this month at all. I would not be at all surprised to see
several developer releases before it goes into beta.

Generally, Apple releases a new build about every two weeks.

Generally.

About.

-- 
"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.." -
Oscar Wilde

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#61181

In article <c0hfsnFmodmU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
<taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who 
> tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
> Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
> there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be 
> made?

I think the official OS release was said to be "Fall" / Autumn, but no
specific date was given, as usual. The public test will be for the
final few beta versions, so could be a little while away yet - late
July or some time in August, or even early September, that would still
leave them time for the official release in late September.

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#61184

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <c0hfsnFmodmU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> > On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who
> > tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
> > Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
> > there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be
> > made?
> 
> I think the official OS release was said to be "Fall" / Autumn, but no
> specific date was given, as usual. The public test will be for the
> final few beta versions, so could be a little while away yet - late
> July or some time in August, or even early September, that would still
> leave them time for the official release in late September.

At the keynote, Craig Federighi said the public beta would be in
"Summer". Based on Apple's normal definitions, that is most likely to be
July or maybe August, but it shouldn't be as late as September.

The public release is scheduled for "Fall", which would be somewhere in
September to November, probably aiming for late October (a year after
Mavericks).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#61186

In article <1lnk4go.sjc7ki1lvkyo0N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <c0hfsnFmodmU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> > <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who
> > > tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
> > > Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
> > > there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be
> > > made?
> > 
> > I think the official OS release was said to be "Fall" / Autumn, but no
> > specific date was given, as usual. The public test will be for the
> > final few beta versions, so could be a little while away yet - late
> > July or some time in August, or even early September, that would still
> > leave them time for the official release in late September.
> 
> At the keynote, Craig Federighi said the public beta would be in
> "Summer". Based on Apple's normal definitions, that is most likely to be
> July or maybe August, but it shouldn't be as late as September.
> 
> The public release is scheduled for "Fall", which would be somewhere in
> September to November, probably aiming for late October (a year after
> Mavericks).

On the UK site it says "Coming this Autumn".

I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
distraction. I also note that the bloke who wrote Eudora should be
happy now: with the new, flat, look, he can now remove the option to
"Waste CPU cycles with trendy 3D junk".

Still, one plus is that they've at last defined what the green traffic
light does.

-- 
"If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling 
that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't 
ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid
tripping your hair-trigger insecurities."                  - D M Procida, UCSM

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#61193

In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
> distraction. 

Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".

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#61208

In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
> > distraction. 
> 
> Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".

What, in Yosemite? That'd be good.

Apropos, why don't they call it El Capitan? The images I've seen appear
to feature it.

-- 
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nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#61210

In article <200620141759478761%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
> > > distraction. 
> > 
> > Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".
> 
> What, in Yosemite? That'd be good.

<http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23514/20140619/mac-os-x-yosemite-
beta-download-ios.htm>

> Apropos, why don't they call it El Capitan? The images I've seen appear
> to feature it.

Because El Capitan is not a location; it is a thing.

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#61215

In article <200620141007500105%michelle@michelle.org>,
Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <200620141759478761%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> Apropos, why don't they call it El Capitan? The images I've seen appear
>> to feature it.
>
>Because El Capitan is not a location; it is a thing.

Good point. Besides, Apple isn't only featuring El Cap; a bunch of
the new publicity shots feature Half Dome wallpaper:

http://www.apple.com/osx/preview/mac-and-ios/

And I think that might be Tenaya Lake behind the email windows.


Patty

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#61297

On 2014-06-20, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <200620141759478761%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
>> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
>> > > distraction. 
>> > 
>> > Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".
>> 
>> What, in Yosemite? That'd be good.
>
><http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23514/20140619/mac-os-x-yosemite-
> beta-download-ios.htm>

But that's a dark theme.  I hate dark themes.  I just want a checkbox that
tells translucency to go away.

-- 
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.

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#61310

On 2014.06.21, 03:44 , Paul Sture wrote:
> On 2014-06-20, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> In article <200620141759478761%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
>>>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
>>>>> distraction.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".
>>>
>>> What, in Yosemite? That'd be good.
>>
>> <http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23514/20140619/mac-os-x-yosemite-
>> beta-download-ios.htm>
>
> But that's a dark theme.  I hate dark themes.  I just want a checkbox that
> tells translucency to go away.

That's simple.

But implementing a Sys Prefs display option (in "General" I guess), to 
control it is an ugly complication of the kind that Apple despise.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61338

On 14-06-21 09:13, Alan Browne wrote:

> But implementing a Sys Prefs display option (in "General" I guess), to 
> control it is an ugly complication of the kind that Apple despise.

Sorry, but Apple must provide a switch to turn off undesirable features
that are only used during keynote addresses as marketing gimmicks. That
fits quite well within the system preferences.

Apple could have a single switch "turn off marketing gimmicks" which
would revert the OS back to Snow Leopard without any of the undesirable
features added since then :-)

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#61290

In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
> > distraction. 
> 
> Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".


There is also an option in System Preferences > Accessibility that
allows to turn off transparency both in menu bar and windows sides.

-- 
nathalie
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#61291

In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
> > distraction. 
> 
> Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".

Not "duck" mode, then.

<ducks>

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#61300

On 2014-06-21 07:18:27 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:

> In article <200620140657385350%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> In article <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
>> > distraction.
>> Apparently there is; it's been referred to as "dark mode".
> 
> Not "duck" mode, then.
> 
> <ducks>

Whew!

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#61221

In message <200620141046268728%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <1lnk4go.sjc7ki1lvkyo0N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <c0hfsnFmodmU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
>> > <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > On the day Yosemite was announced by Apple I signed up to be one who
>> > > tested beta releases. Since then I haven't had any indication from 
>> > > Apple as to when such a release for testing would be available. Is 
>> > > there anyone out there that perhaps knows when such a release will be
>> > > made?
>> > 
>> > I think the official OS release was said to be "Fall" / Autumn, but no
>> > specific date was given, as usual. The public test will be for the
>> > final few beta versions, so could be a little while away yet - late
>> > July or some time in August, or even early September, that would still
>> > leave them time for the official release in late September.
>> 
>> At the keynote, Craig Federighi said the public beta would be in
>> "Summer". Based on Apple's normal definitions, that is most likely to be
>> July or maybe August, but it shouldn't be as late as September.
>> 
>> The public release is scheduled for "Fall", which would be somewhere in
>> September to November, probably aiming for late October (a year after
>> Mavericks).

> On the UK site it says "Coming this Autumn".

> I hope there's a way to turn off this blasted translucency; it's just a
> distraction.

Actually, it is not. It is 1) subtle 2) distinguishes active and
inactive windows 3) highlights content areas. It's good. It'll be
EXCELLENT on a retina display.

-- 
Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all
the time might start to think.

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#61233

On 14-06-20 15:24, Lewis wrote:

> Actually, it is not. It is 1) subtle 2) distinguishes active and
> inactive windows 3) highlights content areas. It's good. It'll be
> EXCELLENT on a retina display.


Incredible. I don't think most Apple employees are convinced of this
translucency lunacy, yet, you manage to find some way to spin this as a
good thing.

Are you related to Jony Ive per chance ? Seems to me it would be the
only explanation for you defending a feature that is not only unwanted,
but which actually hinders readability.

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#61238

In article <53a499ef$0$47963$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-06-20 15:24, Lewis wrote:
> 
> > Actually, it is not. It is 1) subtle 2) distinguishes active and
> > inactive windows 3) highlights content areas. It's good. It'll be
> > EXCELLENT on a retina display.
> 
> 
> Incredible. I don't think most Apple employees are convinced of this
> translucency lunacy, yet, you manage to find some way to spin this as a
> good thing.
> 
> Are you related to Jony Ive per chance ? Seems to me it would be the
> only explanation for you defending a feature that is not only unwanted,
> but which actually hinders readability.

There are a lot of people who are not adversely affected by
translucency.  I, for one, don't mind it, except in the menu bar, and
I've turned it off there.  I suspect that with other desktop pictures,
I wouldn't mind having it, but not with the one I have now.

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