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media reliability

Started byFrank <gno52@windstream.net>
First post2015-02-18 04:00 -0800
Last post2015-02-24 09:13 +1300
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  media reliability Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-02-18 04:00 -0800
    Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 08:15 -0500
      Re: media reliability Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-18 09:24 -0500
        Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 13:03 -0500
          Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-19 00:03 +0000
            Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-19 04:59 +0000
              Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-19 12:53 +0000
                Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 02:51 +0000
              Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 08:44 -0500
                Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 03:23 +0000
                  Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 07:42 -0500
                    Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-21 06:05 +0000
                Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-20 04:51 +0000
              Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-19 08:49 -0500
            Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 08:38 -0500
            Re: media reliability Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-19 17:12 +0000
              Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-19 11:45 -0800
                Re: media reliability Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-19 22:24 +0000
                Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 13:10 +1300
                  Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-19 17:14 -0800
                    Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 20:41 -0500
                      Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-19 18:11 -0800
                        Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 18:15 +1300
                      Re: media reliability David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-02-19 20:32 -0600
                        Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 07:36 -0500
                          Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 07:51 -0500
                      Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 03:33 +0000
                        Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-19 19:57 -0800
                          Re: media reliability Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-20 09:44 +0000
                            Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-21 06:10 +0000
                              Re: media reliability Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-21 10:23 +0000
                              Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-21 10:33 -0500
                                Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-22 15:33 +0000
                              Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-22 09:51 +1300
                                Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-21 13:09 -0800
                                  Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-22 03:30 +0000
      Re: media reliability isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-02-18 09:40 -0800
        Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-19 05:06 +0000
      Re: media reliability Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2015-02-18 19:31 -0500
        Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-18 19:38 -0500
        Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-19 13:55 +1300
          Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-19 05:17 +0000
            Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-19 19:02 +1300
              Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 09:09 -0500
                Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 09:12 +1300
        Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 08:57 -0500
    Re: media reliability Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-18 09:24 -0500
    Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-18 19:20 -0500
      Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-19 05:33 +0000
        Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-19 19:15 +1300
          Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-18 23:22 -0800
          Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-19 08:39 -0500
            Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 03:21 +0000
              Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 18:46 +1300
                Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-21 06:04 +0000
                  Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-21 10:36 -0500
                    Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-22 15:32 +0000
                  Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-22 09:48 +1300
                    Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-21 13:08 -0800
                    Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-22 03:40 +0000
                      Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-22 17:42 +1300
        Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-19 08:36 -0500
          Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 03:10 +0000
            Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-20 08:19 -0500
        Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 09:15 -0500
          Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 09:19 +1300
            Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 03:28 +0000
            Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-21 11:01 -0500
              Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-21 15:03 -0500
                Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-22 09:57 +1300
                  Re: media reliability Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-21 19:33 -0500
      Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-19 13:02 +0000
        Re: media reliability John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-02-20 02:56 +0000
          Re: media reliability Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-20 04:43 +0000
    Re: media reliability Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-02-22 03:24 -0800
      Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-23 09:36 +1300
        Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 18:36 -0500
          Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-23 13:24 +1300
          Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-22 17:23 -0800
            Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 21:24 -0500
              Re: media reliability Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-22 19:13 -0800
                Re: media reliability Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 23:13 -0500
              Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-23 18:03 +1300
    Re: media reliability Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-02-23 02:59 -0800
      Re: media reliability John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-02-23 07:00 -0800
        Re: media reliability Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-24 09:13 +1300

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#70125

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2015-02-22 19:13 -0800
Message-ID<mce5o0$g93$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70124
In article <54ea8f74$0$42993$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <mcdv8o$vrr$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Plug any USB item in upside down, and nothing will happen. This is 
> > because of how the connector is laid out. Electrically speaking, it'll 
> > be exactly the same as plugging in a piece of cardboard. Someone MAY be 
> > able to jam it into the socket (whether right side up or upside down) in 
> > such a way as to cause physical damage, but a USB plug can only make 
> > electrical connection with the socket it's being plugged into when the 
> > plug is "right side up".
> 
> Fair enough, but some of them are metal -- can plugging it in upside 
> down cause a short of some kind? 

In a word, no. The connectors are "keyed" such that they can only be 
connected one way. Trying to plug it in any way other than "the right 
way" is impossible unless one or both of the connectors are physically 
damaged. One of the design goals of the USB spec was making it 
impossible to connect a USB device "improperly". 

Technically, the "naked connector" type thumb-drives that MIGHT be 
"upside down pluggable" aren't "USB" devices at all, since they don't 
strictly adhere to the USB specification. Any device that doesn't 
conform to the spec is forbidden to be sold as a "USB" device - The 
"USB" name and mark is trademarked/copyrighted/whatever, and to be able 
to use it, you have to submit a sample of your device to the folks who 
license its use. They'll check it out, and if it's close enough to the 
spec to satisfy them, they'll give you a license to use the "USB" 
labeling. If your device is rejected for whatever reason, they'll deny 
you the license to use the labeling. Use the labeling without their OK, 
and you're in for some serious legal hurt for infringement. Last I 
heard, they were still being *VERY* anal about it.

-- 
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

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#70126

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2015-02-22 23:13 -0500
Message-ID<54eaa8dd$0$24508$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#70125
In article <mce5o0$g93$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
wrote:

> Technically, the "naked connector" type thumb-drives that MIGHT be 
> "upside down pluggable" aren't "USB" devices at all, since they don't 
> strictly adhere to the USB specification. Any device that doesn't 
> conform to the spec is forbidden to be sold as a "USB" device - The 
> "USB" name and mark is trademarked/copyrighted/whatever, and to be able 
> to use it, you have to submit a sample of your device to the folks who 
> license its use. They'll check it out, and if it's close enough to the 
> spec to satisfy them, they'll give you a license to use the "USB" 
> labeling. If your device is rejected for whatever reason, they'll deny 
> you the license to use the labeling. Use the labeling without their OK, 
> and you're in for some serious legal hurt for infringement. Last I 
> heard, they were still being *VERY* anal about it.

That's interesting, thanks. I wasn't aware of that.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70127

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2015-02-23 18:03 +1300
Message-ID<230220151803101925%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#70124
In article <54ea8f74$0$42993$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <mcdv8o$vrr$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Plug any USB item in upside down, and nothing will happen. This is 
> > because of how the connector is laid out. Electrically speaking, it'll 
> > be exactly the same as plugging in a piece of cardboard. Someone MAY be 
> > able to jam it into the socket (whether right side up or upside down) in 
> > such a way as to cause physical damage, but a USB plug can only make 
> > electrical connection with the socket it's being plugged into when the 
> > plug is "right side up".
> 
> Fair enough, but some of them are metal -- can plugging it in upside 
> down cause a short of some kind? I know that sounds uninformed, but I've 
> still never really come to terms with "hot-swapping" (even though I do 
> it).

The "metal" of the USB drive (usually they're plastic) won't be a
conductive metal ... if it was, then the USB drive wouldn't work since
the normal connectors would short across the "metal" holding them.

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#70131

FromFrank <gno52@windstream.net>
Date2015-02-23 02:59 -0800
Message-ID<1cee49bf-e3ea-4c4e-8439-dde53e71fe46@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#69887
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> have  windows7 OS on Dell and OS-X v 10.9.5 on mac mini
> 
> Too many unsatisfactory experiences on both with reliability of CD and DVD disks.  Should I just discard remaining unformatted disks and use only flash drives?   Never have had one of them to fail;  weak link with them seems to hubs rather than the media.

Which is more likely to fail... flash drive itself or the slot into which it is plugged?

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#70134

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-02-23 07:00 -0800
Message-ID<mcff8f$ovv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70131
On 2/23/15   PDT 2:59 AM, Frank wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
>> have  windows7 OS on Dell and OS-X v 10.9.5 on mac mini
>>
>> Too many unsatisfactory experiences on both with reliability of CD and DVD disks.  Should I just discard remaining unformatted disks and use only flash drives?   Never have had one of them to fail;  weak link with them seems to hubs rather than the media.
>
> Which is more likely to fail... flash drive itself or the slot into which it is plugged?
>
My vote is the slot/port.

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#70150

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2015-02-24 09:13 +1300
Message-ID<240220150913469235%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#70134
In article <mcff8f$ovv$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 2/23/15   PDT 2:59 AM, Frank wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> >> have  windows7 OS on Dell and OS-X v 10.9.5 on mac mini
> >>
> >> Too many unsatisfactory experiences on both with reliability of CD and DVD
> >> disks.  Should I just discard remaining unformatted disks and use only
> >> flash drives?   Never have had one of them to fail;  weak link with them
> >> seems to hubs rather than the media.
> >
> > Which is more likely to fail... flash drive itself or the slot into which
> > it is plugged?
> 
> My vote is the slot/port.

Depends on the design of the USB drive ... some of them are so thin and
flimsy that they easily bend and break.

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