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Writer Needs Help

Started byAlek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
First post2014-05-16 20:02 -0400
Last post2014-05-16 22:04 -0400
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  Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-16 20:02 -0400
    Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-16 20:20 -0400
    Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-17 12:57 +1200
      Re: Writer Needs Help Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-16 20:24 -0700
        Re: Writer Needs Help Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-16 20:29 -0700
    Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-16 21:09 -0400
      Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-16 21:31 -0400
        Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 12:34 -0400
          Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 10:33 +1200
            Re: Writer Needs Help Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-17 23:39 +0100
              Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 10:50 +1200
                Re: Writer Needs Help Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-17 23:54 +0100
                  Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 19:09 -0400
              Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 19:06 -0400
                Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 19:09 -0400
                  Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 19:21 -0400
                    Re: Writer Needs Help Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-18 00:36 +0100
                      Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 14:08 +1200
                        Re: Writer Needs Help Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-18 09:45 +0100
                      Re: Writer Needs Help dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-05-24 08:10 +1000
                        Re: Writer Needs Help Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-24 13:04 +0100
                          Re: Writer Needs Help dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-05-25 08:32 +1000
                Re: Writer Needs Help Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-17 16:43 -0700
                  Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-18 14:09 -0400
                Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 13:58 +1200
            Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 19:06 -0400
              Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 19:08 -0400
                Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 19:25 -0400
                  Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 13:56 +1200
              Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 13:50 +1200
                Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-18 14:10 -0400
                  Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 14:26 -0400
                    Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-18 15:21 -0400
                      Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 15:37 -0400
                        Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-18 15:56 -0400
                          Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 16:07 -0400
                            Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-18 19:31 -0400
                              Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 19:48 -0400
                                Re: Writer Needs Help Alek Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2014-05-18 20:44 -0400
                                  Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 21:07 -0400
                                  Re: Writer Needs Help J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-05-18 23:42 -0400
                  Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-19 09:38 +1200
      Re: Writer Needs Help Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-17 13:43 +1200
        Re: Writer Needs Help nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-16 22:04 -0400

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#59505

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-05-18 23:42 -0400
Message-ID<llbuia$s5f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#59498
On 5/18/14, 8:44 PM, Alek Trishan wrote:
> nospam has written on 5/18/2014 7:48 PM:
>> In article <llbfso$iet$1@dont-email.me>, Alek Trishan
>> <alek.trishan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't she run the 17" without a battery, from (as you would say) the
>>>>>>>>> mains?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> she can but it will be roughly half its normal speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? What causes that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> according to apple,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    If the battery is removed from a MacBook or MacBook Pro, the
>>>>>>    computer will automatically reduce the processor speed. This prevents
>>>>>>    the computer from shutting down if it demands more power than the A/C
>>>>>>    adapter alone can provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the AC adapter is deliberately crippled so they can sell more
>>>>> batteries???
>>>>
>>>> how do you get that?
>>>>
>>>> normally, the power consumption of the macbook is well under what the
>>>> power adapter can provide. however, it's possible that a peak burst
>>>> could momentarily push it beyond, in which case the battery will fill
>>>> the void until it drops back down. it's just a brief spike.
>>>
>>> I never heard of that with a PC. Apparently, either PC OSes operate
>>> differently or the PC laptop manufacturers supply an adapter that can
>>> handle anything thrown at it.
>>
>> apparently they don't.
>>
>> <http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?DocID=HT075965>
>>    Newer ThinkPads make use of high performance CPUs that may require
>>    more power than what the 65W adapter can provide while also
>>    supporting USB, Optical and other attached devices, especially in
>>    docked configurations.  To prevent the potential for sudden system
>>    shut down if the power demand exceeds what the adapter can supply,
>>    the maximum clock speed may be limited when the system is operated on
>>    the 65W AC adapter and no battery is installed.
>
>  From the same source:
>
> "Solution: If maximum frequency operation is preferred in such
> situations, a 90W AC adapter should be used. "
>
>>> Can you tell me what kind of program might cause a spike in power needed?
>>
>> 3d gaming.
>
> I can assure you that she will never ever if-she-lives-to-be-150 be a 3D
> gamer. :-)
>
> Any others?
>
The CPU use of my 2012 Mini is normally under 10%, but some system 
housekeeping will make it spike much higher.  Handbrake, which converts 
videos to MP4, will hold it at 100%. It amazes me that in 20 minutes, 
this doesn't heat the CPU enough for the fan to speed up.

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#59491

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-05-19 09:38 +1200
Message-ID<190520140938093038%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#59480
In article <llat25$bph$2@dont-email.me>, Alek Trishan
<alek.trishan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your Name has written on 5/17/2014 9:50 PM:
> >> 
> >> Wouldn't check and repair be more cost-effective than buying a
> >> replacement unit???
> > 
> > Depends on how much damage has been done - if the battery has damaged
> > the connectors on the motherboard, the case structure, etc., then it's
> > possible that it's almost cheaper to just buy a good second-hand or
> > even new laptop, especially once you total up the cost of the parts and
> > the labour.
> 
> Can't she run the 17" without a battery, from (as you would say) the mains?

Probably, but again it depends on exactly what damage may have been
done internally and need fixing.

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#59400

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-05-17 13:43 +1200
Message-ID<170520141343454173%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#59396
In article <ll6cse$ij4$2@dont-email.me>, Alek Trishan
<alek.trishan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alek Trishan has written on 5/16/2014 8:02 PM:
> > A writer friend of mine wrote:
> > 
> > "The battery just swelled up and popped out of my old computer. I just
> > noticed it. I donít know that that can be fixed. I donít know that itís
> > worth it to try. Itís seven years old. Maybe I should just let it go.
> > But it still works. Itís working now, even with the battery popped out.
> > I called my insurance company to see if theyíll pay for it to be
> > repaired. Will let you know. Thatís my backup. I need a backup!"
> > 
> > And then, when I asked her about replacing the battery, she wrote,
> > 
> > "I think it needs more than a battery. Thereís some metal stuff that has
> > exploded in it. More than the battery has exploded. I donít know the
> > model number. I only know the serial number, which wouldnít help you.
> > Itís a MacBook Pro, 17 inch. Theyíre not made anymore."
> > 
> > Is there any help for her computer?
> > 
> > How does she find the model designation?
> > 
> > Disclaimer: the only thing I personally know about Macs in particular is
> > that they are marketed by Apple.
> 
> I forgot to mention that she also has a 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display.

In that case, just transfer any user files (the easiest way is to us a
USB stick or email them to herself) and throw away the broken laptop -
wipe or remove the hard drive first though.

Someone may even buy the broken laptop on eBay, CraigsList, or similar
for parts.

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#59401

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-16 22:04 -0400
Message-ID<160520142204598255%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#59400
In article <170520141343454173%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > I forgot to mention that she also has a 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display.
> 
> In that case, just transfer any user files (the easiest way is to us a
> USB stick or email them to herself) and throw away the broken laptop -
> wipe or remove the hard drive first though.

no, the easiest way is using wifi or ethernet.

> Someone may even buy the broken laptop on eBay, CraigsList, or similar
> for parts.

they definitely will and for a surprisingly good price.

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