Groups > comp.sys.mac.system > #73487 > unrolled thread

How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
Last post	2015-04-22 09:09 -0700
Articles	20 on this page of 379 — 28 participants

Back to article view | Back to comp.sys.mac.system

Page 3 of 19 — ← Prev page 1 2 [3] 4 5 … 19 Next page →

#73707

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-20 08:00 -0400
Message-ID	<200420150800514569%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73622

In article <mh25ug$i5o$30@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> We wanted the file to be portable, and we couldn't just save the web page 
> (since we'd have to extensively edit out tons of unnecessary formatting).

rtf is a standard format and portable.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73625

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:28 +0000
Message-ID	<mh26b8$i5o$31@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73618

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
alpine.OSX.2.20.1504192353040.57809@mako.ath.cx

> TextEdit may be the default GUI rich/plain test editor, packaged with
> the OS X, it's still far more powerful than Notepad, packaged with
> Windows.  OS X is not Windows.

I use "vim" on Windows, which, while unintuitive, is far more powerful
than Notepad.

The reason I use vim is historical, since I started with "vi" on Sun OS & 
Solaris, when, in those days, the only editor you could rely upon being 
on all the machines was the default text editor vi.

I'm using "vi" right now to type this missive. With hand memory and a 
good ~/.exrc, nothing is more powerful (IMHO) than vi.

But, if someone were to ask me what *they* should use as a platform-
independent text editor, I wouldn't recommend vi for them. For me, it's 
too late to learn another text editor since none will ever be as powerful 
as vi is with regular expressions.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73692

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2015-04-20 10:17 +0100
Message-ID	<200420151017048672%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#73625

In article <mh26b8$i5o$31@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>alpine.OSX.2.20.1504192353040.57809@mako.ath.cx
>
>> TextEdit may be the default GUI rich/plain test editor, packaged with
>> the OS X, it's still far more powerful than Notepad, packaged with
>> Windows.  OS X is not Windows.
>
>I use "vim" on Windows, which, while unintuitive, is far more powerful
>than Notepad.
>
>The reason I use vim is historical, since I started with "vi" on Sun OS & 
>Solaris, when, in those days, the only editor you could rely upon being 
>on all the machines was the default text editor vi.
>
>I'm using "vi" right now to type this missive. With hand memory and a 
>good ~/.exrc, nothing is more powerful (IMHO) than vi.
>
>But, if someone were to ask me what *they* should use as a platform-
>independent text editor, I wouldn't recommend vi for them. For me, it's 
>too late to learn another text editor since none will ever be as powerful 
>as vi is with regular expressions.

You can use vim under OS X if you really must (in a Terminal window);
it's supplied with the OS.

Personally I use TextWrangler for all my software development.

-- 
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73709

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-20 08:00 -0400
Message-ID	<200420150800524613%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73625

In article <mh26b8$i5o$31@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I use "vim" on Windows, which, while unintuitive, is far more powerful
> than Notepad.

you can use vim on a mac too.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73518

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:30 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1obs$3dm$7@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73498

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj5qcF5p92U3@mid.individual.net

> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
> steps.

I don't care what default program I use to create the ASCII text file.
This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
comes with the operating system.

If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of 
these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73850

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-21 18:33 -0700
Message-ID	<mh6tp4$2or$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#73518

On 2015-04-20 02:30:21 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5qcF5p92U3@mid.individual.net
> 
>> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
>> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
>> steps.
> 
> I don't care what default program I use to create the ASCII text file.
> This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
> comes with the operating system.
> 
> If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
> these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

"Make Plain Text".

> 
> If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
> I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
> magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73824

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Date	2015-04-21 10:24 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmjc9ag.307.howard@foxtrot.local>
In reply to	#73498

On 2015-04-20, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> The reason it takes *you* that many steps (and you still fail) is
> because you insist on doing things like you would do them on Linux or

It works fine if you use it like Linux.  Terminal and "cat" or "touch"
or "vi", or whatever.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73502

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:11 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1n92$3dm$4@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73495

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org

> But that is what the OP wanted to create.

I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.

I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the 
ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose 
and it contains just the text I want to be in it.

It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something 
as simple and mundane as this.

It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
text document.

I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way, 
because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73504

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:22 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152222191866%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73502

In article <mh1n92$3dm$4@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something 
> as simple and mundane as this.
> 
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.

it takes 3 steps:
launch app 
paste
save

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73509

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:30 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73504

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152222191866nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> it takes 3 steps:
> launch app 
> paste
> save

And that saves an ASCII text file?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73517

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:33 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152233070791%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73509

In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > it takes 3 steps:
> > launch app 
> > paste
> > save
> 
> And that saves an ASCII text file?

if you set the app to text it does.

are you even reading what people write??

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73525

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:36 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj71bF5p92U9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#73517

On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> > it takes 3 steps:
>> > launch app 
>> > paste
>> > save
>> 
>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>
> if you set the app to text it does.
>
> are you even reading what people write??

Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73642

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36wmf.g6ck13tf9cd0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73525

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> ><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > it takes 3 steps:
> >> > launch app 
> >> > paste
> >> > save
> >> 
> >> And that saves an ASCII text file?
> >
> > if you set the app to text it does.
> >
> > are you even reading what people write??
> 
> Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
> as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.

A classic case of someone making life hard for himself and blaming
everyone but himself.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73662

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:17 +0000
Message-ID	<mh295e$i5o$48@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73642

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36wmf.g6ck13tf9cd0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> A classic case of someone making life hard for himself and blaming
> everyone but himself.

Let's be clear here.
I am *not* a macintosh expert and never once said or implied that I was.
I was simply helping someone else create a plain text file and populate 
it.

Since I didn't know what the default text editor was on a Macintosh, and 
since none was in the desktop menu, I had figured it would launch if I 
could create an empty plain text file.

Failing at creating an empty plain text file, I then searched for plain 
text files to launch but could only find (IIRC) what turned out to be RTF 
files I think (I don't remember what files I actually copied).

I then struggled a bit with the unintuitive (to me) multi-step method of 
copying a file from one location to where I needed it to be but 
eventually I was able to paste the desired information into a file of the 
desired name in the desired location.

It turned out that to save a *new* file to ASCII versus as the other 
formats required two very different menu sequences.

The problem was that all this is unintuitive to someone who is well 
accustomed to the default text editor on the other two common desktop/
server operating systems.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73677

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:12 +1200
Message-ID	<1m370j7.1uw13bz1k9xlxyN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73662

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36wmf.g6ck13tf9cd0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > A classic case of someone making life hard for himself and blaming
> > everyone but himself.
> 
> Let's be clear here.
> I am *not* a macintosh expert and never once said or implied that I was.
> I was simply helping someone else create a plain text file and populate
> it.
> 
> Since I didn't know what the default text editor was on a Macintosh, and
> since none was in the desktop menu, I had figured it would launch if I
> could create an empty plain text file.

So you're that foolish you never bothered to learn enough about the Mac
to know where applications are located? And you say you 'help' other Mac
users?

> Failing at creating an empty plain text file, I then searched for plain
> text files to launch but could only find (IIRC) what turned out to be RTF
> files I think (I don't remember what files I actually copied).
> 
> I then struggled a bit with the unintuitive (to me) multi-step method of
> copying a file from one location to where I needed it to be but 
> eventually I was able to paste the desired information into a file of the
> desired name in the desired location.

How is it a "multi-step method" to copy a file? :-D

> It turned out that to save a *new* file to ASCII versus as the other 
> formats required two very different menu sequences.
> 
> The problem was that all this is unintuitive to someone who is well 
> accustomed to the default text editor on the other two common desktop/
> server operating systems.

Yes, it's so very hard to take the 30 seconds maximum it requies to look
through all of TextEdit's menus and Preferences. You make life extremely
hard for yourself, and worse you inflict your idiocy upon others.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73729

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:15 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150715485321%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73662

In article <mh295e$i5o$48@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36wmf.g6ck13tf9cd0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > A classic case of someone making life hard for himself and blaming
> > everyone but himself.
> 
> Let's be clear here.
> I am *not* a macintosh expert and never once said or implied that I was.
> I was simply helping someone else create a plain text file and populate 
> it.

Tell the person whom you are trying to help that you don't understand
the Macintosh and to find someone who does understand it; that's the
only way he can get help.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73529

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:44 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1p75$3dm$14@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73517

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152233070791nospamospam@nospam.invalid

>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
> 
> if you set the app to text it does.
> 
> are you even reading what people write??

Everyone says that TextEdit can save ASCII text.
I'm fine with that.

If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.

Which of these options is the TextEdit ASCII text option?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73532

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:46 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152246500172%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73529

In article <mh1p75$3dm$14@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.

it's been answered several times.

once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
the save panel.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73552

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 03:31 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1rud$i5o$5@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73532

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152246500172nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
> the save panel.

It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
save ASCII text, but it's done.

I don't have the Macintosh in front of me, so I will have to check tomorrow
if turning on the ability for the default text editor to save ASCII text
then turns off the ability for that same editor to "Save As" other formats
(which would be weird, if that's the case).

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#73558

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-19 20:37 -0700
Message-ID	<190420152037478396%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73552

In article <mh1rud$i5o$5@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
> > the save panel.
> 
> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
> to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
> save ASCII text, but it's done.

You don't lose anything.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 3 of 19 — ← Prev page 1 2 [3] 4 5 … 19 Next page →

csiph-web

How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Contents

#73707

#73625

#73692

#73709

#73518

#73850

#73824

#73502

#73504

#73509

#73517

#73525

#73642

#73662

#73677

#73729

#73529

#73532

#73552

#73558