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  new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 07:33 -0700
    Re: new iMac Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-06-18 17:20 +0200
      Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 08:31 -0700
        Re: new iMac gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-18 08:43 -0700
          Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 16:54 +0100
        Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 16:54 +0100
          Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 09:03 -0700
            Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 18:10 +0100
            Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-18 14:49 -0400
            Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 05:20 +0200
        Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-18 14:44 -0400
        Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 05:15 +0200
          Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 16:04 +1200
          Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-19 16:29 +1200
            Re: new iMac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:40 -0400
              Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:07 +0000
          Re: new iMac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-06-18 22:35 -0700
      Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 05:02 +0200
        Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-19 16:29 +1200
          Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 10:47 +0200
            Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 12:04 +1200
              Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 13:46 +1200
          Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 20:59 +1200
            Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 10:46 +1200
    Re: new iMac Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-18 11:38 -0400
      Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-18 15:23 -0400
    Re: new iMac Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-18 16:42 +0000
      Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:07 -0500
      Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-18 19:41 +0000
        Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-18 18:24 -0400
          Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 23:30 +0100
          Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 15:52 -0700
          Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 01:17 +0000
            Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 12:57 -0400
              Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:09 +0000
                Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 15:46 -0400
                  Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:17 +0000
                    Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 22:30 +0100
                    Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:43 -0500
                      Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 15:27 -0700
                        Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 18:43 -0400
                          Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 17:05 -0700
                            Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 19:49 -0500
                              Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 18:29 -0700
                              Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:10 -0400
                    Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 18:42 -0400
                      Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:55 +0000
                      Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 17:07 -0700
                        Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:07 -0400
                          Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-21 14:22 -0700
                    Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:08 -0400
                  Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 14:35 -0700
                    Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:44 -0500
                    Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 22:23 +0000
                      Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:12 -0400
                  Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:42 -0500
                    Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 15:24 -0700
                      Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 19:42 -0500
    Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 11:16 -0500
      Re: new iMac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-18 13:38 -0400
        Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:59 -0500
      Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 09:32 +1200
        Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-18 18:16 -0400
    Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-18 19:39 +0000
      Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 15:06 -0500
      Re: new iMac Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-18 21:56 +0000
      Re: new iMac Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-08-11 16:19 -0400
    Re: new iMac Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-18 21:19 -0500
      Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 03:06 +0000
        Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:04 +0000
      Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 16:08 +1200
    Re: new iMac "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 06:22 -0700
      Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-19 07:12 -0700
        Re: new iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:46 -0400
        Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:08 +0000
          Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 12:04 +1200
    Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 07:31 -0400
      Re: new iMac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:16 -0400
        Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 17:59 -0400
      Re: new iMac Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-08-11 16:40 -0400
        Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-12 18:52 +1200

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#61073 — new iMac

There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former
bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac).

New            Former
$1099          $1299

1.4GHz         2.7GHz
dual-core      quad-core
i5             i5

500GB          1TB
hard drive     hard drive

Intel HD       Intel Iris Pro
Graphics 5000  Graphics

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#61074

In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former
> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac).
> 
> New            Former
> $1099          $1299
> 
> 1.4GHz         2.7GHz
> dual-core      quad-core
> i5             i5
> 
> 500GB          1TB
> hard drive     hard drive
> 
> Intel HD       Intel Iris Pro
> Graphics 5000  Graphics

Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02

https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/

-- 
Steve

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#61075

In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02

Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.

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#61077

On 2014-06-18 15:31:34 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
>> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
>> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> 
> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.

Yeah, but you don't "need" that. Actually all you need is a crayon and 
some cardboard--same thing!

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#61079

In article <2014061808430959492-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2014-06-18 15:31:34 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > 
> >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
> >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> > 
> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
> 
> Yeah, but you don't "need" that. Actually all you need is a crayon and 
> some cardboard--same thing!

And for permanent storage a bar magnet and magnifying glass, so you can
write the bits directly to the disk.

-- 
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#61078

In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> 
> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.

No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini.

-- 
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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#61080

In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > 
> > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> > 
> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
> 
> No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini.

But a first-time buyer would not.

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#61083

In article <180620140903330581%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> > > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> > > 
> > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
> > 
> > No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini.
> 
> But a first-time buyer would not.

Agreed, at that point there is a one-time cost to add for those items.
But once your on that hoss, just keep rolling along.

-- 
"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a
friend.... if you have one." - GB Shaw to Churchill "Cannot possibly
attend first night, will attend second...  if there is one." - Winston
Churchill, in response.

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#61087

On 2014.06.18, 12:03 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
>>>> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>>>
>>> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
>>
>> No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini.
>
> But a first-time buyer would not.

A windows switcher would.


-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61109

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.system.]
On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
>> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
>> > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>> > 
>> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
>> 
>> No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini.
>
> But a first-time buyer would not.

But a first time *Mac* buyer might.

The only snag I see is that those folks looking to upgrade Windows XP vintage
systems might have VGA style plugs on their monitors, and a suitable
converter doesn't come in the Mac mini box.

-- 
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.

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#61086

On 2014.06.18, 11:31 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
>> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>
> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
                    ^
                    |
                    +----- very GOOD monitor.  Not some $99 bit
                           of Best Buy trash.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61108

On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
>> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>
> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.

The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor.
Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that you could
use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route still works.

The 1.4GHz processor speed on new the entry level iMac seems a hefty drop in
performance from the other models, but it depends what "Turbo Boost up
to 2.7GHz" means in practice.  That model also has *shared* rather than
dedicated L3 cache and the RAM is "LPDDR3 onboard memory", whatever those
means for performance.

-- 
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.

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#61110

In article <l61a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture
<nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> >
> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
> 
> The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor.
<snip>

Fixed it for you: 
    The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for 
    a (usually) cheap 'n' nasty, low quality third party
    monitor, keyboard, mouse, webcam, ...

;-)



> Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that
> you could use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route 
> still works.

Of course it does, if you already have one, but the point was that the
price of the iMac includes the extra hardware. It's incredibly silly to
say the iMac is more expensive than the Mac Mini, and just ignore the
fact that the iMac includes extra hardware, less cabling mess (although
only slightly if using wireless keyboard and mouse), etc. It's the same
sort of silliness as the anti-Apple nutters comparing an iMac to a
cheap no-name Windoze box.

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#61112

Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
> >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> >
> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
> 
> The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor.
> Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that you could
> use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route still works.
> 
> The 1.4GHz processor speed on new the entry level iMac seems a hefty drop in
> performance from the other models, but it depends what "Turbo Boost up
> to 2.7GHz" means in practice.

The entry level iMac is using the same processor as the default one in
the Early 2014 MacBook Air: Intel Core i5-4260U.

Because the iMac body has more substantial heat management (designed for
higher power processors), I expect this means the entry level iMac will
be able to operate its processor in "turbo boost" mode much longer than
can be achieved in the MacBook Air, possibly all of the time. For this
processor, that means it should be running at 2.7 GHz with one core
active, or 2.4 GHz with both cores active.

Geekbench scores put this iMac model at 97% of the performance of the
US$1299 iMac for single core tasks, but only 59% for multi-core (mostly
due to having two instead of four cores).

That suggests this entry level iMac is fine for simple uses (e.g. light
business use, or a home user who mostly does web browsing and email),
but not for more advanced applications which would benefit significantly
from having more CPU cores or a better GPU.

It should outperform an entry level Late 2009 iMac, and is probably
similar to an entry level Mid 2010 iMac, but has technical advantages
over both due to newer hardware features such as Thunderbolt, USB 3.0,
Bluetooth 4.0 and 802.11ac.

Geekbench has it just beating the 3.4 GHz 27" Mid 2011 iMac for
single-core tasks, but slower than the entry level 2.5 GHz 21.5" Mid
2011 iMac for multi-core (due to 2 vs 4 cores).

> That model also has *shared* rather than dedicated L3 cache

That will be worse for two cores running different code, but a dual core
workload which is sharing the same code won't be as badly affected
(assuming the code fits within the smaller L3 cache).

> and the RAM is "LPDDR3 onboard memory", whatever those means for
> performance.

Again, same as the MacBook Air. LPDDR3 should be 16 MT/s, which is the
same as DDR3. This is really just a voltage and mounting difference: the
RAM is soldered onto the logic board for the entry level iMac and is
fixed at 8 GB (no BTO option for more RAM, no subsequent upgrade
possible).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#61131

On 14-06-19 00:29, David Empson wrote:

> higher power processors), I expect this means the entry level iMac will
> be able to operate its processor in "turbo boost" mode much longer than
> can be achieved in the MacBook Air, possibly all of the time.


Alas, when people make decisions by looking at specs, they will see the
1.6ghz CPU speed, compare it with wintel boxes which will get you higher
clock rates and see the imac has a very slow and expensive box.

Same with memory and disk.

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#61135

On 2014-06-19, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-06-19 00:29, David Empson wrote:
>
>> higher power processors), I expect this means the entry level iMac will
>> be able to operate its processor in "turbo boost" mode much longer than
>> can be achieved in the MacBook Air, possibly all of the time.
>
>
> Alas, when people make decisions by looking at specs, they will see the
> 1.6ghz CPU speed, compare it with wintel boxes which will get you higher
> clock rates and see the imac has a very slow and expensive box.
>
> Same with memory and disk.

No different from the millions of idiots who already purchase solely
based on specifications rather than actual return on investment. Good
riddance.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#61114

In article <l61a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> >
> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
> 
> The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor.
> Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that you could
> use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route still works.
> 
> The 1.4GHz processor speed on new the entry level iMac seems a hefty drop in
> performance from the other models, but it depends what "Turbo Boost up
> to 2.7GHz" means in practice.  That model also has *shared* rather than
> dedicated L3 cache and the RAM is "LPDDR3 onboard memory", whatever those
> means for performance.

The software team lead dropped a Mac Mini Server on my desk and asked me 
to set it up for them.  They had laundry list of stuff they wanted on it 
for software compiles using the brew package manager and Xcode.  They 
also wanted it integrated with the NFS file servers in the company, 
which I've never done before.  So that was a fun project.

Anyway, I just hooked my Samsung 24" monitor into the HDMI port, plugged 
in a spare Mac keyboard and mouse I had from home (they only have 
Logitech windows keyboards at work, so they'll have to order a couple 
along with 16GB of memory).  The monitor worked like a charm and is 
cheaper than my current Mac Cinema display, which Apple doesn't make any 
more.  The Samsung is about $180 on Amazon.  That's 4x less than what I 
paid for the Cinema Display originally.  It doesn't have the additional 
FW and USB ports, but I can live with that.

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#61107

On 2014-06-18, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former
>> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac).
>> 
>> New            Former
>> $1099          $1299
>> 
>> 1.4GHz         2.7GHz
>> dual-core      quad-core
>> i5             i5
>> 
>> 500GB          1TB
>> hard drive     hard drive
>> 
>> Intel HD       Intel Iris Pro
>> Graphics 5000  Graphics
>
> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest 
> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>
> https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/

The latest Mac mini has the Intel HD Graphics 4000 card.  I don't know how
much of a performance gain the 5000 version quoted above brings.

I've just looked up the price in the Swiss Apple Store and the Mac mini
has come down 20 Swiss Francs since I last looked (now CHF 679 rather than 699).

It looks as though there might be a stock clearance on Mac minis at the
moment.  Earlier this year one of my local discount places had a time limited
offer at CHF 599.  When they did that again at Easter I bit.

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#61113

Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-06-18, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>,
> >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> >> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former
> >> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac).
> >> 
> >> New            Former
> >> $1099          $1299
> >> 
> >> 1.4GHz         2.7GHz
> >> dual-core      quad-core
> >> i5             i5
> >> 
> >> 500GB          1TB
> >> hard drive     hard drive
> >> 
> >> Intel HD       Intel Iris Pro
> >> Graphics 5000  Graphics
> >
> > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
> > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> >
> > https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/
> 
> The latest Mac mini has the Intel HD Graphics 4000 card.  I don't know how
> much of a performance gain the 5000 version quoted above brings.
> 
> I've just looked up the price in the Swiss Apple Store and the Mac mini
> has come down 20 Swiss Francs since I last looked (now CHF 679 rather than
> 699).
> 
> It looks as though there might be a stock clearance on Mac minis at the
> moment.  Earlier this year one of my local discount places had a time limited
> offer at CHF 599.  When they did that again at Easter I bit.

The price drop on the Mac Mini (and previously existing iMac models, and
the Apple TV) is only known to be occurring in Europe (including the
UK). It is just an exchange rate adjustment across a class of related
models, not evidence of clearing out old models.

For the recent MacBook Air update, New Zealand had a more significant
price drop on MacBook Pro models at the same time. Again, this was just
an exchange rate correction. NZ didn't get any changed prices for the
iMac, Mac Mini or Apple TV this time, and neither did the US.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#61115

On 2014-06-19, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-18, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> > In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>,
>> >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former
>> >> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac).
>> >> 
>> >> New            Former
>> >> $1099          $1299
>> >> 
>> >> 1.4GHz         2.7GHz
>> >> dual-core      quad-core
>> >> i5             i5
>> >> 
>> >> 500GB          1TB
>> >> hard drive     hard drive
>> >> 
>> >> Intel HD       Intel Iris Pro
>> >> Graphics 5000  Graphics
>> >
>> > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
>> > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>> >
>> > https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/
>> 
>> The latest Mac mini has the Intel HD Graphics 4000 card.  I don't know how
>> much of a performance gain the 5000 version quoted above brings.
>> 
>> I've just looked up the price in the Swiss Apple Store and the Mac mini
>> has come down 20 Swiss Francs since I last looked (now CHF 679 rather than
>> 699).
>> 
>> It looks as though there might be a stock clearance on Mac minis at the
>> moment.  Earlier this year one of my local discount places had a time limited
>> offer at CHF 599.  When they did that again at Easter I bit.
>
> The price drop on the Mac Mini (and previously existing iMac models, and
> the Apple TV) is only known to be occurring in Europe (including the
> UK). It is just an exchange rate adjustment across a class of related
> models, not evidence of clearing out old models.

Agreed that the Apple Store price change is an exchange rate adjustment, but
this year is the first time I have seen dealers offering discounts of more
than 10 or 20 bucks (and some of those would charge for delivery where
Apple does not, so you would be back to square one).

The discounter I bought from has only started selling Apple kit within the
last year pr 18 months, and another largish one became an Apple distributor
a couple of months ago.  The second of those discounters definitely has
corporate customers.

This appears to me to be a shift in Apple's distribution policy: neither of
the two distributors have retail outlets kitted out like Apple dealers; they
don't really need them since their operations are mainly mail order based.

> For the recent MacBook Air update, New Zealand had a more significant
> price drop on MacBook Pro models at the same time. Again, this was just
> an exchange rate correction. NZ didn't get any changed prices for the
> iMac, Mac Mini or Apple TV this time, and neither did the US.


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