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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2014-06-18 07:33 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-08-12 18:52 +1200 |
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new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 07:33 -0700
Re: new iMac Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-06-18 17:20 +0200
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 08:31 -0700
Re: new iMac gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-18 08:43 -0700
Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 16:54 +0100
Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 16:54 +0100
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 09:03 -0700
Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 18:10 +0100
Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-18 14:49 -0400
Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 05:20 +0200
Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-18 14:44 -0400
Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 05:15 +0200
Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 16:04 +1200
Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-19 16:29 +1200
Re: new iMac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:40 -0400
Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:07 +0000
Re: new iMac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-06-18 22:35 -0700
Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 05:02 +0200
Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-19 16:29 +1200
Re: new iMac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-19 10:47 +0200
Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 12:04 +1200
Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 13:46 +1200
Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 20:59 +1200
Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 10:46 +1200
Re: new iMac Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-18 11:38 -0400
Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-18 15:23 -0400
Re: new iMac Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-18 16:42 +0000
Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:07 -0500
Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-18 19:41 +0000
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-18 18:24 -0400
Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-18 23:30 +0100
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-18 15:52 -0700
Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 01:17 +0000
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 12:57 -0400
Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:09 +0000
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 15:46 -0400
Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:17 +0000
Re: new iMac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-20 22:30 +0100
Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:43 -0500
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 15:27 -0700
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 18:43 -0400
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 17:05 -0700
Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 19:49 -0500
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 18:29 -0700
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:10 -0400
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 18:42 -0400
Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:55 +0000
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 17:07 -0700
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:07 -0400
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-21 14:22 -0700
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:08 -0400
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 14:35 -0700
Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:44 -0500
Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 22:23 +0000
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 13:12 -0400
Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:42 -0500
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-20 15:24 -0700
Re: new iMac George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 19:42 -0500
Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 11:16 -0500
Re: new iMac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-18 13:38 -0400
Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:59 -0500
Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 09:32 +1200
Re: new iMac "Mr. Jo Jo" <josephjohns@gmail.com> - 2014-06-18 18:16 -0400
Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-18 19:39 +0000
Re: new iMac Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 15:06 -0500
Re: new iMac Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-18 21:56 +0000
Re: new iMac Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-08-11 16:19 -0400
Re: new iMac Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-18 21:19 -0500
Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 03:06 +0000
Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:04 +0000
Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 16:08 +1200
Re: new iMac "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 06:22 -0700
Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-19 07:12 -0700
Re: new iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:46 -0400
Re: new iMac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:08 +0000
Re: new iMac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-20 12:04 +1200
Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 07:31 -0400
Re: new iMac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:16 -0400
Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 17:59 -0400
Re: new iMac Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-08-11 16:40 -0400
Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-12 18:52 +1200
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 07:33 -0700 |
| Subject | new iMac |
| Message-ID | <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org> |
There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac). New Former $1099 $1299 1.4GHz 2.7GHz dual-core quad-core i5 i5 500GB 1TB hard drive hard drive Intel HD Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5000 Graphics
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| From | Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #61073 |
In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former > bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac). > > New Former > $1099 $1299 > > 1.4GHz 2.7GHz > dual-core quad-core > i5 i5 > > 500GB 1TB > hard drive hard drive > > Intel HD Intel Iris Pro > Graphics 5000 Graphics Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/ -- Steve
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 08:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #61074 |
In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 08:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014061808430959492-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #61075 |
On 2014-06-18 15:31:34 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. Yeah, but you don't "need" that. Actually all you need is a crayon and some cardboard--same thing!
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 16:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <180620141654567184%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #61077 |
In article <2014061808430959492-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2014-06-18 15:31:34 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > > > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. > > Yeah, but you don't "need" that. Actually all you need is a crayon and > some cardboard--same thing! And for permanent storage a bar magnet and magnifying glass, so you can write the bits directly to the disk. -- "People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 16:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #61075 |
In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini. -- "Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 09:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <180620140903330581%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #61078 |
In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. > > No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini. But a first-time buyer would not.
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 18:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <180620141810530595%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #61080 |
In article <180620140903330581%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner > > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > > > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > > > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > > > > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. > > > > No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini. > > But a first-time buyer would not. Agreed, at that point there is a one-time cost to add for those items. But once your on that hoss, just keep rolling along. -- "I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend.... if you have one." - GB Shaw to Churchill "Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if there is one." - Winston Churchill, in response.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 14:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <u62dnZAPVZ6-QjzOnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61080 |
On 2014.06.18, 12:03 , Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >> In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner >> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >> >>> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, >>> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest >>>> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 >>> >>> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. >> >> No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini. > > But a first-time buyer would not. A windows switcher would. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 05:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <dg1a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61080 |
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.system.] On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <180620141654003823%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater ><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >> In article <180620140831345423%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner >> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >> >> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, >> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: >> > >> > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest >> > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 >> > >> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. >> >> No, I've already got those. I just move them to the new Mini. > > But a first-time buyer would not. But a first time *Mac* buyer might. The only snag I see is that those folks looking to upgrade Windows XP vintage systems might have VGA style plugs on their monitors, and a suitable converter doesn't come in the Mac mini box. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 14:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kO2dnaEiULODQzzOnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61075 |
On 2014.06.18, 11:31 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
>> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
>
> Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
^
|
+----- very GOOD monitor. Not some $99 bit
of Best Buy trash.
--
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 05:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l61a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61075 |
On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor. Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that you could use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route still works. The 1.4GHz processor speed on new the entry level iMac seems a hefty drop in performance from the other models, but it depends what "Turbo Boost up to 2.7GHz" means in practice. That model also has *shared* rather than dedicated L3 cache and the RAM is "LPDDR3 onboard memory", whatever those means for performance. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 16:04 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <190620141604092209%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #61108 |
In article <l61a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture
<nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>,
> > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest
> >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02
> >
> > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that.
>
> The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor.
<snip>
Fixed it for you:
The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for
a (usually) cheap 'n' nasty, low quality third party
monitor, keyboard, mouse, webcam, ...
;-)
> Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that
> you could use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route
> still works.
Of course it does, if you already have one, but the point was that the
price of the iMac includes the extra hardware. It's incredibly silly to
say the iMac is more expensive than the Mac Mini, and just ignore the
fact that the iMac includes extra hardware, less cabling mess (although
only slightly if using wireless keyboard and mouse), etc. It's the same
sort of silliness as the anti-Apple nutters comparing an iMac to a
cheap no-name Windoze box.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 16:29 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lnhw6h.1atzh1e1pnx1qxN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #61108 |
Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. > > The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor. > Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that you could > use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route still works. > > The 1.4GHz processor speed on new the entry level iMac seems a hefty drop in > performance from the other models, but it depends what "Turbo Boost up > to 2.7GHz" means in practice. The entry level iMac is using the same processor as the default one in the Early 2014 MacBook Air: Intel Core i5-4260U. Because the iMac body has more substantial heat management (designed for higher power processors), I expect this means the entry level iMac will be able to operate its processor in "turbo boost" mode much longer than can be achieved in the MacBook Air, possibly all of the time. For this processor, that means it should be running at 2.7 GHz with one core active, or 2.4 GHz with both cores active. Geekbench scores put this iMac model at 97% of the performance of the US$1299 iMac for single core tasks, but only 59% for multi-core (mostly due to having two instead of four cores). That suggests this entry level iMac is fine for simple uses (e.g. light business use, or a home user who mostly does web browsing and email), but not for more advanced applications which would benefit significantly from having more CPU cores or a better GPU. It should outperform an entry level Late 2009 iMac, and is probably similar to an entry level Mid 2010 iMac, but has technical advantages over both due to newer hardware features such as Thunderbolt, USB 3.0, Bluetooth 4.0 and 802.11ac. Geekbench has it just beating the 3.4 GHz 27" Mid 2011 iMac for single-core tasks, but slower than the entry level 2.5 GHz 21.5" Mid 2011 iMac for multi-core (due to 2 vs 4 cores). > That model also has *shared* rather than dedicated L3 cache That will be worse for two cores running different code, but a dual core workload which is sharing the same code won't be as badly affected (assuming the code fits within the smaller L3 cache). > and the RAM is "LPDDR3 onboard memory", whatever those means for > performance. Again, same as the MacBook Air. LPDDR3 should be 16 MT/s, which is the same as DDR3. This is really just a voltage and mounting difference: the RAM is soldered onto the logic board for the entry level iMac and is fixed at 8 GB (no BTO option for more RAM, no subsequent upgrade possible). -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 12:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53a31263$0$10317$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #61112 |
On 14-06-19 00:29, David Empson wrote: > higher power processors), I expect this means the entry level iMac will > be able to operate its processor in "turbo boost" mode much longer than > can be achieved in the MacBook Air, possibly all of the time. Alas, when people make decisions by looking at specs, they will see the 1.6ghz CPU speed, compare it with wintel boxes which will get you higher clock rates and see the imac has a very slow and expensive box. Same with memory and disk.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 17:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0gjlmFh164U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61131 |
On 2014-06-19, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-06-19 00:29, David Empson wrote: > >> higher power processors), I expect this means the entry level iMac will >> be able to operate its processor in "turbo boost" mode much longer than >> can be achieved in the MacBook Air, possibly all of the time. > > > Alas, when people make decisions by looking at specs, they will see the > 1.6ghz CPU speed, compare it with wintel boxes which will get you higher > clock rates and see the imac has a very slow and expensive box. > > Same with memory and disk. No different from the millions of idiots who already purchase solely based on specifications rather than actual return on investment. Good riddance. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 22:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-833FFE.22355918062014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61108 |
In article <l61a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-06-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <gratefuldead-C281FE.17203118062014@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, > > Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > >> Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > >> model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > > > Add the cost of a monitor, keyboard and mouse or trackpad to that. > > The Mac mini is still cheaper as long as you go for a third party monitor. > Let's not forget that the original idea of the Mac mini was that you could > use existing monitor, keyboard and mouse, and that route still works. > > The 1.4GHz processor speed on new the entry level iMac seems a hefty drop in > performance from the other models, but it depends what "Turbo Boost up > to 2.7GHz" means in practice. That model also has *shared* rather than > dedicated L3 cache and the RAM is "LPDDR3 onboard memory", whatever those > means for performance. The software team lead dropped a Mac Mini Server on my desk and asked me to set it up for them. They had laundry list of stuff they wanted on it for software compiles using the brew package manager and Xcode. They also wanted it integrated with the NFS file servers in the company, which I've never done before. So that was a fun project. Anyway, I just hooked my Samsung 24" monitor into the HDMI port, plugged in a spare Mac keyboard and mouse I had from home (they only have Logitech windows keyboards at work, so they'll have to order a couple along with 16GB of memory). The monitor worked like a charm and is cheaper than my current Mac Cinema display, which Apple doesn't make any more. The Samsung is about $180 on Amazon. That's 4x less than what I paid for the Cinema Display originally. It doesn't have the additional FW and USB ports, but I can live with that. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 05:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ue0a7b-r561.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61074 |
On 2014-06-18, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>, > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former >> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac). >> >> New Former >> $1099 $1299 >> >> 1.4GHz 2.7GHz >> dual-core quad-core >> i5 i5 >> >> 500GB 1TB >> hard drive hard drive >> >> Intel HD Intel Iris Pro >> Graphics 5000 Graphics > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/ The latest Mac mini has the Intel HD Graphics 4000 card. I don't know how much of a performance gain the 5000 version quoted above brings. I've just looked up the price in the Swiss Apple Store and the Mac mini has come down 20 Swiss Francs since I last looked (now CHF 679 rather than 699). It looks as though there might be a stock clearance on Mac minis at the moment. Earlier this year one of my local discount places had a time limited offer at CHF 599. When they did that again at Easter I bit. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 16:29 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lnhxnb.k4e8481gnz07bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #61107 |
Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-06-18, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>, > > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > >> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former > >> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac). > >> > >> New Former > >> $1099 $1299 > >> > >> 1.4GHz 2.7GHz > >> dual-core quad-core > >> i5 i5 > >> > >> 500GB 1TB > >> hard drive hard drive > >> > >> Intel HD Intel Iris Pro > >> Graphics 5000 Graphics > > > > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest > > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 > > > > https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/ > > The latest Mac mini has the Intel HD Graphics 4000 card. I don't know how > much of a performance gain the 5000 version quoted above brings. > > I've just looked up the price in the Swiss Apple Store and the Mac mini > has come down 20 Swiss Francs since I last looked (now CHF 679 rather than > 699). > > It looks as though there might be a stock clearance on Mac minis at the > moment. Earlier this year one of my local discount places had a time limited > offer at CHF 599. When they did that again at Easter I bit. The price drop on the Mac Mini (and previously existing iMac models, and the Apple TV) is only known to be occurring in Europe (including the UK). It is just an exchange rate adjustment across a class of related models, not evidence of clearing out old models. For the recent MacBook Air update, New Zealand had a more significant price drop on MacBook Pro models at the same time. Again, this was just an exchange rate correction. NZ didn't get any changed prices for the iMac, Mac Mini or Apple TV this time, and neither did the US. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 10:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6lka7b-97r1.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61113 |
On 2014-06-19, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > >> On 2014-06-18, Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: >> > In article <180620140733336542%michelle@michelle.org>, >> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >> > >> >> There's a new, lower-cost iMac; here's a comparison with the former >> >> bottom-end iMac (which is still available as the middle iMac). >> >> >> >> New Former >> >> $1099 $1299 >> >> >> >> 1.4GHz 2.7GHz >> >> dual-core quad-core >> >> i5 i5 >> >> >> >> 500GB 1TB >> >> hard drive hard drive >> >> >> >> Intel HD Intel Iris Pro >> >> Graphics 5000 Graphics >> > >> > Still way too expensive. My 2009 Mac Mini cost 499,- euro. The latest >> > model 619,-, which is all you need. My $0.02 >> > >> > https://www.apple.com/nl/mac-mini/ >> >> The latest Mac mini has the Intel HD Graphics 4000 card. I don't know how >> much of a performance gain the 5000 version quoted above brings. >> >> I've just looked up the price in the Swiss Apple Store and the Mac mini >> has come down 20 Swiss Francs since I last looked (now CHF 679 rather than >> 699). >> >> It looks as though there might be a stock clearance on Mac minis at the >> moment. Earlier this year one of my local discount places had a time limited >> offer at CHF 599. When they did that again at Easter I bit. > > The price drop on the Mac Mini (and previously existing iMac models, and > the Apple TV) is only known to be occurring in Europe (including the > UK). It is just an exchange rate adjustment across a class of related > models, not evidence of clearing out old models. Agreed that the Apple Store price change is an exchange rate adjustment, but this year is the first time I have seen dealers offering discounts of more than 10 or 20 bucks (and some of those would charge for delivery where Apple does not, so you would be back to square one). The discounter I bought from has only started selling Apple kit within the last year pr 18 months, and another largish one became an Apple distributor a couple of months ago. The second of those discounters definitely has corporate customers. This appears to me to be a shift in Apple's distribution policy: neither of the two distributors have retail outlets kitted out like Apple dealers; they don't really need them since their operations are mainly mail order based. > For the recent MacBook Air update, New Zealand had a more significant > price drop on MacBook Pro models at the same time. Again, this was just > an exchange rate correction. NZ didn't get any changed prices for the > iMac, Mac Mini or Apple TV this time, and neither did the US. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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