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| Started by | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| First post | 2015-03-16 15:24 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-03-20 03:42 +0000 |
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Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:24 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 11:29 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 15:39 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:57 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:21 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-17 08:23 +1200
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:32 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:05 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:26 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 21:46 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:04 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:04 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 11:38 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:34 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-18 07:48 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 18:45 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 09:07 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comte <electrc-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:00 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:22 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-03-16 09:45 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:03 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:58 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:02 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:47 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:54 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:01 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:53 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:26 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-18 11:11 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-16 12:06 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 19:30 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:51 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:36 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 16:14 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 16:24 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:41 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:01 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:52 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:06 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:14 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:06 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 20:17 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 23:16 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:47 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:51 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:05 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:04 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:35 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-17 17:52 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:31 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:07 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:08 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:18 +0100
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 16:20 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:23 +0100
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:05 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:59 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:47 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 12:28 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:56 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:44 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 22:01 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:48 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:31 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:45 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:37 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:59 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:34 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:11 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:14 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:24 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:44 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:53 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:09 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:38 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:41 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:42 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:13 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:40 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:05 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-19 10:18 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:13 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:14 +0100
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:04 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:33 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:41 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:20 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:09 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:42 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:25 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 07:13 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:43 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:48 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:56 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:22 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:20 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:56 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 13:55 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 17:57 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:32 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:25 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:29 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:40 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 14:19 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:21 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 10:46 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:53 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:18 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 15:44 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:56 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 16:10 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 12:58 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:21 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 12:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 12:53 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 18:30 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 15:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 23:27 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:17 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:10 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 02:40 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:36 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:51 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 17:08 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 17:39 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-19 17:00 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:39 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-20 00:44 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:42 +0000
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| From | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 17:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <me9opg$bkm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71358 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:45:43 -0400, nospam wrote: > In article <me9ju1$mss$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> > wrote: > > >> > The big difference is that OS X works as a desktop system and >> > Linux... >> > Doesn't. Never has, no signs it ever will. >> >> Well, I beg to differ. I have run Linux as my main desktop since >> leaving OS/2 in 2008. Started with Ubuntu 8.10/GNOME 2 and now am >> running Scientific Linux 6.6/GNOME 2. My wife has used Linux as a >> desktop since 2009, when she gave up Windows 2000. > > ..and have had a substandard user experience with extremely limited > software choices, both in number of options and in quality/performance. I have everything that I need, but I am getting a refurbed iMac i3 or i5 for my iTunes and music libraries. I am not getting OSX for Safari or Mail, as I have Chrome/Firefox/Thunderbird on Linux, also a good NNTP reader, Pan, so will not have to use my old Hogwasher that is on my G4. I do not do graphics, photography or desktop publishing, so do not need all that glitz.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmrbrkFjeu5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71361 |
On 2015-03-17, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:45:43 -0400, nospam wrote: > >> In article <me9ju1$mss$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>> > The big difference is that OS X works as a desktop system and >>> > Linux... >>> > Doesn't. Never has, no signs it ever will. >>> >>> Well, I beg to differ. I have run Linux as my main desktop since >>> leaving OS/2 in 2008. Started with Ubuntu 8.10/GNOME 2 and now am >>> running Scientific Linux 6.6/GNOME 2. My wife has used Linux as a >>> desktop since 2009, when she gave up Windows 2000. >> >> ..and have had a substandard user experience with extremely limited >> software choices, both in number of options and in quality/performance. > > I have everything that I need ... The typical Linux zealot's refrain: but it does what I need, and I don't need anything more, really, I don't. Anything Linux doesn't do, I don't really need. Really, I don't. Anything more is all just glitzy rubbish! Uh huh... Keep your head in the sand. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 21:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mea846$akd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71394 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:59:01 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2015-03-17, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:45:43 -0400, nospam wrote: >> >>> In article <me9ju1$mss$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 >>> <sctvguy1@invalid.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> > The big difference is that OS X works as a desktop system and >>>> > Linux... >>>> > Doesn't. Never has, no signs it ever will. >>>> >>>> Well, I beg to differ. I have run Linux as my main desktop since >>>> leaving OS/2 in 2008. Started with Ubuntu 8.10/GNOME 2 and now am >>>> running Scientific Linux 6.6/GNOME 2. My wife has used Linux as a >>>> desktop since 2009, when she gave up Windows 2000. >>> >>> ..and have had a substandard user experience with extremely limited >>> software choices, both in number of options and in >>> quality/performance. >> >> I have everything that I need > > ... The typical Linux zealot's refrain: but it does what I need, and I > don't need anything more, really, I don't. Anything Linux doesn't do, I > don't really need. Really, I don't. Anything more is all just glitzy > rubbish! > > Uh huh... Keep your head in the sand. I'm definitely not a zealot, well, maybe I was about OS/2, ran it from 1994 to 2008 and got involved in the "Steve Bartko" newsgroup rants! I am retired and don't do all the stuff you apparently do. I only just today got a smartphone, a Moto E! I don't even use my old digital camera hardly at all, and don't really take pictures with my phone. I do have a bunch of old photos taken off of SD card in my G4 iPhoto program,but just save them there, don't manipulate them, enhance them, etc. I still have an old IBM PS/2 running OS/2 Warp Connect, and am finding myself going back to that simple machine more and more. Even getting sick of youtube. My old IBM NewsReader/2 is text only, and am finding it just as easy as Pan or even easier than Hogwasher or the Thoth that I bought many years ago. I am not an operating system zealot/advocate, and yes, I guess i do have everything that I need, except for that refurbed iMac that will be ordered in a few days!
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 22:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmrog2Fmv3lU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71433 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:59:01 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> ... The typical Linux zealot's refrain: but it does what I need, and I
> don't need anything more, really, I don't. Anything Linux doesn't do, I
> don't really need. Really, I don't. Anything more is all just glitzy
> rubbish!
>
> Uh huh... Keep your head in the sand.
Better in the sand than up your arse. Where yours is.
--
Today is Sweetmorn, the 3rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmrqm5Fn7cnU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71436 |
On 2015-03-17, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:59:01 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> ... The typical Linux zealot's refrain: but it does what I need, and I >> don't need anything more, really, I don't. Anything Linux doesn't do, I >> don't really need. Really, I don't. Anything more is all just glitzy >> rubbish! >> >> Uh huh... Keep your head in the sand. > > Better in the sand than up your arse. Where yours is. Let me know when you have anything at all meaningful to add to this conversation. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 23:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmrqk4Fn7cnU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71433 |
On 2015-03-17, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > > I'm definitely not a zealot, well, maybe I was about OS/2, ran it from > 1994 to 2008 and got involved in the "Steve Bartko" newsgroup rants! Well that's good to hear. We seem to have one or two that are regulars here, and more of them isn't what the world needs! : ) > I am retired and don't do all the stuff you apparently do. I only > just today got a smartphone, a Moto E! I don't even use my old > digital camera hardly at all, and don't really take pictures with my > phone. I do have a bunch of old photos taken off of SD card in my G4 > iPhoto program,but just save them there, don't manipulate them, > enhance them, etc. Yeah, that's very different from my usage. > I still have an old IBM PS/2 running OS/2 Warp Connect, and am finding > myself going back to that simple machine more and more. Even getting > sick of youtube. You aren't alone in that! With all the mandatory ads and broken videos of late, Youtube has really gone downhill. > My old IBM NewsReader/2 is text only, and am finding it > just as easy as Pan or even easier than Hogwasher or the Thoth that I > bought many years ago. I'm using slrn and love it. But then I'm at home in a terminal window. > I am not an operating system zealot/advocate, and yes, I guess i do have > everything that I need, except for that refurbed iMac that will be > ordered in a few days! I take it back, then. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 00:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <meag0e$bhu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71442 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 23:11:00 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2015-03-17, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: >> >> I'm definitely not a zealot, well, maybe I was about OS/2, ran it from >> 1994 to 2008 and got involved in the "Steve Bartko" newsgroup rants! > > Well that's good to hear. We seem to have one or two that are regulars > here, and more of them isn't what the world needs! : ) Do you remember him? That damned Microsoft shill who was trolling the newsgroups back in the 90's and putting down OS/2! He was exposed as an employee of MS and it brought down a lot of crap in those days! I really hated John Dvorak for his waffling about OS/2 and his shilling for MS in the days of PC Magazine. >> I am not an operating system zealot/advocate, and yes, I guess i do >> have everything that I need, except for that refurbed iMac that will be >> ordered in a few days! > > I take it back, then. : ) No problem! Just loving life here in Cedar Park, TX!
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 00:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmruu1Fn7cnU12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71460 |
On 2015-03-18, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 23:11:00 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> On 2015-03-17, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: >>> >>> I'm definitely not a zealot, well, maybe I was about OS/2, ran it from >>> 1994 to 2008 and got involved in the "Steve Bartko" newsgroup rants! >> >> Well that's good to hear. We seem to have one or two that are regulars >> here, and more of them isn't what the world needs! : ) > > Do you remember him? That damned Microsoft shill who was trolling the > newsgroups back in the 90's and putting down OS/2! He was exposed as an > employee of MS and it brought down a lot of crap in those days! I really > hated John Dvorak for his waffling about OS/2 and his shilling for MS in > the days of PC Magazine. > > >>> I am not an operating system zealot/advocate, and yes, I guess i do >>> have everything that I need, except for that refurbed iMac that will be >>> ordered in a few days! >> >> I take it back, then. : ) > > No problem! Just loving life here in Cedar Park, TX! That's actually where I lived - off Parmer. Small world. : ) I don't miss a few things about Austin: the heat, the Williamson County police, the nutty drivers, the endless oversized monster trucks and petite women in huge SUVs, or the cowboys. : D -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmroehFmv3lU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71361 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:45:43 -0400, nospam wrote:
> In article <me9ju1$mss$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> > The big difference is that OS X works as a desktop system and
>> > Linux...
>> > Doesn't. Never has, no signs it ever will.
>>
>> Well, I beg to differ. I have run Linux as my main desktop since
>> leaving OS/2 in 2008. Started with Ubuntu 8.10/GNOME 2 and now am
>> running Scientific Linux 6.6/GNOME 2. My wife has used Linux as a
>> desktop since 2009, when she gave up Windows 2000.
>
> ..and have had a substandard user experience with extremely limited
> software choices, both in number of options and in quality/performance.
Ooh, looky, another dribbler.
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Today is Sweetmorn, the 3rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 10:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <me9p5o$ce2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71358 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:45:43 -0400 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > ..and have had a substandard user experience with extremely limited > software choices, both in number of options and in > quality/performance. Be specific, name a few things
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <170320151405483291%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #71365 |
In article <me9p5o$ce2$2@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote: > > ..and have had a substandard user experience with extremely limited > > software choices, both in number of options and in > > quality/performance. > > Be specific, name a few things photoshop and the rest of the adobe creative suite, lightroom, microsoft office, final cut pro, imovie, 1password, itunes, ios device support, garmin gps device support, other hardware device support, along with zillions of other apps that will never, ever run on linux. also, driver support for hardware is often a no-go on linux, sometimes buggy open source crap which has zero support if anything goes wrong. linux is great for servers, but for a desktop system it's horrible.
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| From | Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 11:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <me9ta3$ce2$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71377 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:05:48 -0400 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > photoshop and the rest of the adobe creative suite, lightroom, > microsoft office, final cut pro, imovie, 1password, itunes, ios device > support, garmin gps device support, other hardware device support, > along with zillions of other apps that will never, ever run on linux. That's not much and I know there are analogues on linux and in fact the BIG special effects houses write their own on linux all the time because of the large community of software devs that use/know linux they can get things done quickly and can modify the program if they find bugs. IOW they can be more productive then waiting on a vendor. oh I use my garming gps on linux > also, driver support for hardware is often a no-go on linux, sometimes > buggy open source crap which has zero support if anything goes wrong. You're not talking from experience, driver support in linux is unbelievable and astonishing really > linux is great for servers, but for a desktop system it's horrible. These are old anachronisms that you're just chanting it really is cult-like behavior at least most linux people are completely fine with criticisms but apple/aapl people seem to react like cornered animals it's not a good stance
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <170320151507446238%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #71392 |
In article <me9ta3$ce2$15@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote: > > photoshop and the rest of the adobe creative suite, lightroom, > > microsoft office, final cut pro, imovie, 1password, itunes, ios device > > support, garmin gps device support, other hardware device support, > > along with zillions of other apps that will never, ever run on linux. > > That's not much yes it is > and I know there are analogues on linux none that are anywhere near as good. the gimp, for instance, is roughly where photoshop was 10 years ago. > and in fact > the BIG special effects houses write their own on linux all the time they use linux as a render farm. on the desktop, they use mac or windows with final cut pro, avid, etc., which that pushes a job to the render farm. > because of the large community of software devs that use/know linux > they can get things done quickly and can modify the program if they > find bugs. IOW they can be more productive then waiting on a vendor. wrong. > oh I use my garming gps on linux garmin does not support linux. none of their software runs on linux. whatever you did to get it to work was effort that mac/win users did not need to do. > > also, driver support for hardware is often a no-go on linux, sometimes > > buggy open source crap which has zero support if anything goes wrong. > > You're not talking from experience, driver support in linux is > unbelievable and astonishing really unbelievable and astonishingly bad, you mean. lots of products do not have drivers at all, which means support is someone's hack based on limited information of the hardware if it exists at all. for instance, there is no ios support other than a crappy driver that doesn't work very well. > > linux is great for servers, but for a desktop system it's horrible. > > These are old anachronisms that you're just chanting > it really is cult-like behavior > at least most linux people are completely fine with criticisms so are apple people. nothing is perfect and everything has limitations. what people are not ok with is bullshit and outright lies. > but apple/aapl people seem to react like cornered animals > it's not a good stance you have that backwards. linux people react when reality is stuffed int their face.
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| From | Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 21:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <medkoi$bbu$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71399 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 15:07:44 -0400 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > the gimp, for instance, is roughly where photoshop was 10 years ago. I just installed that I don't know photoshop but gimp is great so far and there's one for macosx > they use linux as a render farm. They use it for their entire workflow > on the desktop, they use mac or windows with final cut pro, avid, > etc., which that pushes a job to the render farm. you don't know what you're taling about, obviously just 'nother strange aapl-cult chanter type > whatever you did to get it to work was effort that mac/win users did > not need to do. talking without knowledge of the talk also reminder that if garmin doesn't write for linux that's their choice, but why would any publically traded company limit their market share Wonder what the shareholders have to say about Garmin not supporting linux > unbelievable and astonishingly bad, you mean. no examples <shrug> > for instance, there is no ios support other than a crappy driver that > doesn't work very well. that's aapl's choice so why blame linux most linux users don't want a creepy proprietary iphone anyway though Aapl doesn't care about supporting linux users who have an iphone because they don't have to Wonder what the shareholders have to say about aapl not supporting linux I mean why limit market share penetration should be paramount someone needs to talk to aapl execs
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190320150107570918%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #71558 |
In article <medkoi$bbu$7@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote: > > the gimp, for instance, is roughly where photoshop was 10 years ago. > > I just installed that I don't know photoshop but gimp is great so > far and there's one for macosx photoshop elements, which is about $50 street price, does much more than the gimp ever will and substantially faster too. the gimp is not even worth free, it's that bad. > also reminder that if garmin doesn't write for linux that's their > choice, but why would any publically traded company limit their > market share because there are so few linux users that it's not worth the effort. they'll *never* recover their engineering and support costs. that's why just about every company doesn't bother with linux. > Wonder what the shareholders have to say about Garmin not supporting > linux they're happy and quite possibly insist on it, because otherwise garmin would be in worse shape than they currently are.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 22:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <180320152209122553%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #71558 |
In article <medkoi$bbu$7@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote: > also reminder that if garmin doesn't write for linux that's their > choice, but why would any publically traded company limit their > market share > > Wonder what the shareholders have to say about Garmin not supporting > linux They would applaud Garmin for not wasting money to try to support such a minuscule market segment. > > for instance, there is no ios support other than a crappy driver that > > doesn't work very well. > > that's aapl's choice so why blame linux It's Linus' fault, not Apple's. > Wonder what the shareholders have to say about aapl not supporting > linux I mean why limit market share > penetration should be paramount > someone needs to talk to aapl execs They say the same thing that Garmin shareholders say; they applaud Apple for not wasting money to try to support such an insignificant market share. linux users think that linux is hot shit; well, that's true only if the computer overheats.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 19:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmre61Fjeu5U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71392 |
On 2015-03-17, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote: > > You're not talking from experience, driver support in linux is > unbelievable and astonishing really Nope, as a Linux software developer I can say OSS drivers are generally pretty crappy. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 21:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <medk1m$bbu$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71416 |
On 17 Mar 2015 19:38:41 GMT Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > Nope, as a Linux software developer I can say OSS drivers are > generally pretty crappy. Give examples
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-19 13:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cn0226FpqvdU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71557 |
On 2015-03-19, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote: > On 17 Mar 2015 19:38:41 GMT > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> Nope, as a Linux software developer I can say OSS drivers are >> generally pretty crappy. > > Give examples I have nothing to prove to you. Now scurry back to the CSMA roach motel, where you belong. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 00:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmghgq5.1c9.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #71392 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> was all, like: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:05:48 -0400 > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> photoshop and the rest of the adobe creative suite, lightroom, >> microsoft office, final cut pro, imovie, 1password, itunes, ios device >> support, garmin gps device support, other hardware device support, >> along with zillions of other apps that will never, ever run on linux. > That's not much Yes, it is a lot. > and I know there are analogues on linux and in fact > the BIG special effects houses write their own on linux all the time You are a delusions numpty moron. > oh I use my garming gps on linux That's nice. It's not supported, often does NOT work, and you have no recourse when it breaks. >> also, driver support for hardware is often a no-go on linux, sometimes >> buggy open source crap which has zero support if anything goes wrong. > You're not talking from experience, driver support in linux is > unbelievable and astonishing really No, it's utter crap. Heck, just in print drivers you are looking at weird gneeric drivers that generally support none of a printer's features (like duplex, for example). >> linux is great for servers, but for a desktop system it's horrible. > These are old anachronisms that you're just chanting Nope. Just keeping an ubuntu system up-to-date on Firefox and VLC is an arduous process that takes fucking forever and fails all the damn time. I know, there's an old guy at my coffee shop who was given a laptop with Ubuntu on it. Anytime he tries to update Firefox, it breaks his system. So now he doesn't update at all, so his security is shit. I usually try to get with him every month or three to update some critical stuff, but it is a fucking clusterfuck. The last lovely time he had was when the updates completely disabled his wifi. He had to get someone else (not me) to reinstall all the wifi stuff, which wiped all his wifi passwords. Lovely desktop experience. Fuck, Windows 95 is a better choice. -- http://2blog.kreme.com "The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid".
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