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  Mail app question Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-17 17:39 -0600
    Re: Mail app question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-17 19:17 -0500
      Re: Mail app question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-17 22:54 -0700
        Re: Mail app question dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-18 20:04 +1100
          Re: Mail app question Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-18 08:54 -0600
        Re: Mail app question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-18 18:20 -0500
          Re: Mail app question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-18 18:32 -0700
          Re: Mail app question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 02:10 +0000
            Re: Mail app question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-18 20:27 -0700
              Re: Mail app question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 04:29 +0000
          Re: Mail app question Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-18 21:14 -0600
    Re: Mail app question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 01:03 +0000
    Re: Mail app question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-17 17:20 -0800
      Re: Mail app question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 05:12 +0000
        Re: Mail app question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 00:37 -0800
        Re: Mail app question Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-18 08:57 -0600
          Re: Mail app question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-18 08:12 -0700
            Re: Mail app question Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-18 21:03 -0600
            Re: Mail app question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:08 +0000
          Re: Mail app question Ian Hartley <Contact.News@sky.com> - 2014-02-18 20:09 +0000
            Re: Mail app question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 20:16 +0000
            Re: Mail app question Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-18 21:09 -0600
              Re: Mail app question Ian Hartley <Contact.News@sky.com> - 2014-02-19 10:26 +0000
        Re: Mail app question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-18 18:21 -0500
          Re: Mail app question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 02:11 +0000

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#56633 — Mail app question

When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way 
to stop that behavior?

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#56635

On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am
> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way

In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?

Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window 
pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#56647

In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> > When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am
> > replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way
> 
> In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
> 
> Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window 
> pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.

On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window,
replying to it changes the window to the reply window.

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#56651

In article <170220142254147415%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> > > When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am
> > > replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way
> > 
> > In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
> > 
> > Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window 
> > pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.
> 
> On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window,
> replying to it changes the window to the reply window.


Quite. Even on Snow Leopard.

The OP should hold down the option key when hitting the reply button 
if he is doing so to an email that opens in it's own separate window. 
The email he is replying to will remain, he might need to move his 
reply window aside to see it, it will certainly be there when he 
finishes replying.

-- 
dorayme

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#56653

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:04:21 +1100, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> 
wrote:
> In article <170220142254147415%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
>> > > When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
>> > > replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there 
>> > > any way
>> > 
>> > In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
>> > 
>> > Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with 
>> > window pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.
>> 
>> On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window, 
>> replying to it changes the window to the reply window.
>
>
> Quite. Even on Snow Leopard.
>
> The OP should hold down the option key when hitting the reply button 
> if he is doing so to an email that opens in it's own separate window. 
> The email he is replying to will remain, he might need to move his 
> reply window aside to see it, it will certainly be there when he 
> finishes replying.

Thank you, I will give that a try.  Most of the time it doesn't matter 
but sometimes it's pesky, such as when I have to write different replies 
to different people for the same e-mail.

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#56682

On 2014.02.18, 00:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am
>>> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way
>>
>> In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
>>
>> Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window
>> pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.
>
> On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window,
> replying to it changes the window to the reply window.

Fine.  And when the reply is "sent" the prior message remains visible 
whether in a separately opened window to read it or in the message pane 
of the mail app.

-- 
   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#56684

In article <-u2dnfwySMAyd57OnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.02.18, 00:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> >>> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am
> >>> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way
> >>
> >> In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
> >>
> >> Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window
> >> pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.
> >
> > On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window,
> > replying to it changes the window to the reply window.
> 
> Fine.  And when the reply is "sent" the prior message remains visible 
> whether in a separately opened window to read it or in the message pane 
> of the mail app.

It's visible only in the message pane, not in a separate window.

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#56687

On 2014-02-18, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.18, 00:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am
>>>> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way
>>>
>>> In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
>>>
>>> Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window
>>> pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.
>>
>> On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window,
>> replying to it changes the window to the reply window.
>
> Fine.  And when the reply is "sent" the prior message remains visible 
> whether in a separately opened window to read it or in the message pane 
> of the mail app.

Not here, it doesn't - not when it's open in a separate window. Here's
the sequence I observe:

1. I open a message in its own window.
2. I type ⌘ R to reply.
3. The original message window closes.
4. A new reply window appears in the same location on the screen.
5. I click the Send button.
6. The reply window closes and the message is sent.

The original message window never re-appears.

Mac OS X 10.9.1 with Mail 7.1.

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#56698

In article <bmii3uFi6mfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Not here, it doesn't - not when it's open in a separate window. Here's
> the sequence I observe:
> 
> 1. I open a message in its own window.
> 2. I type ? R to reply.
> 3. The original message window closes.
> 4. A new reply window appears in the same location on the screen.
> 5. I click the Send button.
> 6. The reply window closes and the message is sent.
> 
> The original message window never re-appears.
> 
> Mac OS X 10.9.1 with Mail 7.1.

Same thing here, but it appears to he that in steps 3 and 4 in your
narrative, I don't see a window closing or one opening; i.e., there are
no associated animations‹it looks like the window's content changes.

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#56702

On 2014-02-19, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <bmii3uFi6mfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Not here, it doesn't - not when it's open in a separate window. Here's
>> the sequence I observe:
>> 
>> 1. I open a message in its own window.
>> 2. I type ? R to reply.
>> 3. The original message window closes.
>> 4. A new reply window appears in the same location on the screen.
>> 5. I click the Send button.
>> 6. The reply window closes and the message is sent.
>> 
>> The original message window never re-appears.
>> 
>> Mac OS X 10.9.1 with Mail 7.1.
>
> Same thing here, but it appears to he that in steps 3 and 4 in your
> narrative, I don't see a window closing or one opening; i.e., there are
> no associated animations‹it looks like the window's content changes.

Possibly. We can agree the end result is the same, though.

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JR

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#56697

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0500, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.18, 00:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article <9tqdnc2ZLZI_O5_OnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan 
>> Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014.02.17, 18:39 , Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
>>>> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any 
>>>> way
>>>
>>> In Apple Mail?  On a Mac?
>>>
>>> Not here.  Message remains open whether in the list view with window 
>>> pane or an opened separate window after replying to it.
>>
>> On My machine, if the incoming message is open in a separate window,
>> replying to it changes the window to the reply window.
>
> Fine.  And when the reply is "sent" the prior message remains visible 
> whether in a separately opened window to read it or in the message pane 
> of the mail app.

Cool.  I wish that would happen automagically with Mail on any OS X 
install I have ever used... but it doesn't and it never has in any 
version of Mail I have used going back to 10.0.3.  When I reply, Mail 
closes the original message window and opens the window for the reply; 
when I send the reply and it closes, I am looking the message list window 
and have to reopen the message to read it or reply to it again.

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#56637

On 2014-02-17, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way 
> to stop that behavior?

That's the behavior I see as well (Mac OS X 10.9.1 with Mail 7.1
(1827)). It appears if you hold down the Option key while choosing
Message > Reply (or pressing ⌘ R), the original message window is not
closed.

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#56639

Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:

> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way 
> to stop that behavior?

There must be a way to stop it because it doesn't happen to me.

Let me be more specific.  When I'm reading mail from my inbox and I
hit reply, my inbox remains the same (displaying the mail I was
reading) but a new window with the reply opens up on top of my inbox.

So I gather something different happens for you?

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#56645

On 2014-02-18, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:
>
>> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
>> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way 
>> to stop that behavior?
>
> There must be a way to stop it because it doesn't happen to me.
>
> Let me be more specific.  When I'm reading mail from my inbox and I
> hit reply, my inbox remains the same (displaying the mail I was
> reading) but a new window with the reply opens up on top of my inbox.
>
> So I gather something different happens for you?

I believe he's talking about when you open a message in a separate
window and reply to it, as opposed to viewing a message in the preview
pane and replying to it. The behavior he describes is the way it works
for me when I reply to a message displayed in a separate window.

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#56650

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

> On 2014-02-18, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:
> >
> >> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
> >> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any way 
> >> to stop that behavior?
> >
> > There must be a way to stop it because it doesn't happen to me.
> >
> > Let me be more specific.  When I'm reading mail from my inbox and I
> > hit reply, my inbox remains the same (displaying the mail I was
> > reading) but a new window with the reply opens up on top of my inbox.
> >
> > So I gather something different happens for you?
> 
> I believe he's talking about when you open a message in a separate
> window and reply to it, as opposed to viewing a message in the preview
> pane and replying to it. The behavior he describes is the way it works
> for me when I reply to a message displayed in a separate window.

Ah - that makes sense.  I essentially never do that, so I hadn't
noticed that phenomenon.


"Don't hold it that way?"

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#56654

On 18 Feb 2014 05:12:44 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-18, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:
>>
>>> When I reply to an e-mail, Mail closes the e-mail to which I am 
>>> replying.  There are times I don't want it to do that; is there any 
>>> way to stop that behavior?
>>
>> There must be a way to stop it because it doesn't happen to me.
>>
>> Let me be more specific.  When I'm reading mail from my inbox and I 
>> hit reply, my inbox remains the same (displaying the mail I was 
>> reading) but a new window with the reply opens up on top of my inbox.
>>
>> So I gather something different happens for you?
>
> I believe he's talking about when you open a message in a separate 
> window and reply to it, as opposed to viewing a message in the preview 
> pane and replying to it. The behavior he describes is the way it works 
> for me when I reply to a message displayed in a separate window.

Exactly.  I dislke the Outlook style three pane window for viewing 
messages.  It feels claustrophobic to me, so I always open e-mails in a 
new window to read them (this is also one of the reasons I don't like 
Thunderbird as a newsreader).  Apple's switch to a "conversational" view 
of threads when one does that is something I find that I like.

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#56655

In article <slrnlg6t7o.1coi.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> Exactly.  I dislke the Outlook style three pane window for viewing 
> messages.  It feels claustrophobic to me, so I always open e-mails in a 
> new window to read them (this is also one of the reasons I don't like 
> Thunderbird as a newsreader).  Apple's switch to a "conversational" view 
> of threads when one does that is something I find that I like.

I prefer the new window approach too, but don't use it with mail.app
because when I delete a message it doesn't automatically open the next
message (in its own window) in the queue like Claris Emailer did.  So I
use the three-pane system because having the next message opened is
more important to me.

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#56695

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:12:31 -0700, Michelle Steiner 
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <slrnlg6t7o.1coi.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
><timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  I dislke the Outlook style three pane window for viewing 
>> messages.  It feels claustrophobic to me, so I always open e-mails in 
>> a new window to read them (this is also one of the reasons I don't 
>> like Thunderbird as a newsreader).  Apple's switch to a 
>> "conversational" view of threads when one does that is something I 
>> find that I like.
>
> I prefer the new window approach too, but don't use it with mail.app 
> because when I delete a message it doesn't automatically open the next 
> message (in its own window) in the queue like Claris Emailer did.  So I 
> use the three-pane system because having the next message opened is 
> more important to me.

Yes, I know what you mean.  Basically, I want Mail to operate in some 
ways like MT-NewsWatcher did now that I think about it.  I'd like to be 
able to space bar my way through the mail queue, too.

Well, it's all about compromises and finding the best ones that work for 
our particular style.

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#56747

In message <180220140812317320%michelle@michelle.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <slrnlg6t7o.1coi.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

>> Exactly.  I dislke the Outlook style three pane window for viewing 
>> messages.  It feels claustrophobic to me, so I always open e-mails in a 
>> new window to read them (this is also one of the reasons I don't like 
>> Thunderbird as a newsreader).  Apple's switch to a "conversational" view 
>> of threads when one does that is something I find that I like.

> I prefer the new window approach too, but don't use it with mail.app
> because when I delete a message it doesn't automatically open the next
> message (in its own window) in the queue like Claris Emailer did.  So I
> use the three-pane system because having the next message opened is
> more important to me.

It also will not move on to the next thread (sorry, conversation") when
you get to the end of the current one.

It's a shame, because I also don't like the three-pain¹ view, but
getting through email quickly is more important.

¹ That is not a tyop.

-- 
The Germans wore gray, you wore blue.

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#56668

On 18/02/2014 14:57, Tim McNamara wrote:
> Exactly.  I dislke the Outlook style three pane window for viewing
> messages.  It feels claustrophobic to me, so I always open e-mails in a
> new window to read them (this is also one of the reasons I don't like
> Thunderbird as a newsreader).

Easy to do in TB just shrink the message pane and double click the message.

Ian

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