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Big problem with OS X

Started byWilliam Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
Last post2014-01-06 12:12 -0800
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  Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-01 18:41 -0500
      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:48 +0000
        Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-01 21:31 -0500
          Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 19:16 -0800
            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 18:08 +1300
              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:18 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:30 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-02 09:55 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:50 +0000
                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 16:52 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 17:23 +0000
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:54 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-03 13:43 -0600
                              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:36 +0000
                                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-04 19:07 -0500
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X william-wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:29 +0000
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 13:29 +1300
                                    Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-04 17:54 -0800
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 16:32 +1300
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-05 16:09 +1100
                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 19:20 +1300
                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 01:33 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 10:21 +0000
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:08 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:16 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:36 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:44 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 13:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:45 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:42 -0600
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:54 -0800
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 14:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 15:20 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:28 +0000
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:19 +0000
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 08:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-05 16:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:44 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:28 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:13 -0500
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:25 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:39 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:40 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:33 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:17 -0600
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 14:45 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:32 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:48 -0500
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:09 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:06 -0500
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:49 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-05 21:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-16 13:02 -0500
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-16 14:22 -0800
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:38 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 08:26 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 08:19 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 09:22 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 10:26 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:24 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-17 21:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-18 06:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 08:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:12 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:23 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:09 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 02:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 06:37 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:42 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 16:23 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-24 23:37 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 22:52 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 09:01 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 15:50 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 13:08 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:28 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 08:56 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:08 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 10:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:16 +1300
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 20:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:29 +1300
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:35 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:33 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:37 +0000
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-19 15:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:37 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X "William Wright" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 -0800
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:49 +1300
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-25 01:37 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-26 09:41 +1300
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-28 11:43 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-29 09:37 +1300
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 16:37 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 12:52 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 15:57 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:28 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 08:51 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 09:06 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 11:39 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:53 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 09:26 +1300
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:20 +1300
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 11:25 +1300
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 17:54 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:18 +1300
                                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:47 +1300
                                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:20 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-03 09:00 +1300
                                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 15:06 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-02 14:58 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-28 20:40 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:27 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:45 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 21:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 17:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:21 +1300
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 23:14 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 02:20 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-31 01:17 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X The 29th Earl of Grimsby <earl-of-grimsby@jwright20.plus.com> - 2014-01-31 23:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:11 -0500
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 10:11 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:17 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 09:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:31 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 16:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 09:27 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 19:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 11:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:21 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 13:25 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-17 16:46 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 22:47 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:04 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 23:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:16 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 16:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:29 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:00 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 18:18 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:01 -0700
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:24 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:32 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 18:45 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 20:05 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 03:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:27 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 20:29 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:16 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:14 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:35 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 11:29 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:29 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:05 +1300
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 12:52 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:36 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:36 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:58 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-20 18:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:38 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:38 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:20 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:14 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:56 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 17:43 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:00 -0600
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:34 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:32 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-06 12:26 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 16:22 -0500
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 13:09 +1300
                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-04 22:10 -0600
                        Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:43 -0800
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:43 -0600
                          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 19:09 +0000
                            Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:48 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 20:48 +0100
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 12:11 -0800
                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 21:14 +0100
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Imaginary <spamproof@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:46 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:41 -0600
          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:24 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 13:26 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-02 12:27 -0500
              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-03 12:09 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 10:42 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-04 14:17 -0500
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:39 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-04 19:58 -0800
                        Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:15 -0500
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 10:22 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:14 +1300
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-01 17:15 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:36 -0700
      Re: Big problem with OS X Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-02 06:25 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:09 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:08 +0000
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:12 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-01-05 01:00 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:40 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 18:17 -0500
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 07:55 +0000
          Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 04:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:15 -0800
              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 13:59 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 11:45 -0800
                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:20 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-06 20:18 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 12:12 -0800

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#55014

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
Message-ID<200120141324369280%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#54999
In article <52dc53ca$0$49688$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-01-19 10:52, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
> > Absolutely.  Since that would involve solving the "time travel" problem 
> > there's a good chance the >>> FTL problem would be solved as well (since 
> > it was in a "galaxy far, far away").
> 
> Planet Tatooine is not that far. You can get there by jet aircraft. From
> east coast of USA, probably about 10 hours of flying including connections.
> 
> Hint: It's in Tunisia :-)
> 
> And a "long long time ago" actual refers to the late 1970s when it
> really happened. Time is quite relative. To some, that was a millenia
> ago, to others it was only 45 years ago :-)  To some, Tunisia is far far
> away, to others, it is just half a day away by plane :-)

Unfortunately not for much longer. The desert is slowly covering up the
sets they used for Star Wars, and short of spend bazillions of dollars
trying to move and block the moving dunes, there's no way to stop it
:-(




> And the moon of Endor where the Ewoks live is actually in California, in
> a National park (redwood as I recall).
> 
> Star Wars is really not that far away :-)
> 
> There is some confusion on the Birth Place of Darth Vader though. Some
> say he was born in Bristol England, with more recent reports have him
> born in Canada. (yeah, Canada produces some odd ones like Justin Bieber
> and Darth Vader :-)
> 
> Note that the British born Vader was born that way. The canadian born
> Vader was actually born as Anakin Skywalker and transformed into Vader
> by Senator Palpatine. (Another reason Canada should reform its senate).

There's at least four Darth Vaders, and that's in the movies alone:

     - David Prowse (the actor who played the role in
       Original Trilogy)

     - Sebastian Shaw (in the scene where the mask was 
       removed in Return of the Jedi)

     - James Earl Jones (voice in all the movies)

     - Hayden Christiansen (who became Vader in 
       Revenge of the Sith)



> I also have it on good authority that stories of Sasquatch are true.
> They are actually Wookies, and the most famous one, Chewbacca, was born
> in London.
> 
> The things you learn on IMDB :-)

Yep, Han Solo died when he crashed the Millennium Falcon on Earth in a
North American forest. Chewbacca survived the crash and for many years
roamed the forest in mourning, which the Native Americans called
Sasquatch / Bigfoot. Plus, many years later Indianna Jones found the
wreckage of the Falcon.  :-)

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#55021

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
Message-ID<52dc774e$0$59817$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#55014
On 14-01-19 19:24, Your Name wrote:

>      - James Earl Jones (voice in all the movies)
> 
>      - Hayden Christiansen (who became Vader in 
>        Revenge of the Sith)

In the final installement (3rd volume), hayden becomes Darth before
being fitted with the suit. And once fitted with the black suit with
helmet, doesn't he voice Darth ? Or is it done by J E Jones ?

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#55025

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
Message-ID<200120141636258012%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55021
In article <52dc774e$0$59817$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-01-19 19:24, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> >      - James Earl Jones (voice in all the movies)
> > 
> >      - Hayden Christiansen (who became Vader in 
> >        Revenge of the Sith)
> 
> In the final installement (3rd volume), hayden becomes Darth before
> being fitted with the suit. And once fitted with the black suit with
> helmet, doesn't he voice Darth ? Or is it done by J E Jones ?

Hayden Christensen wore the black suit at the end of Episode III:
Revenge of the Sith, but James Earl Jones provided the voice once the
mask was in place.

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#54851

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
Message-ID<52da0494$0$47931$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#54845
On 14-01-17 22:39, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Do you understand the difference between Princess Leia and Carry Fisher?

Princess Lea lived a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Her
dad was Darth Vader although she didn't know it until well into adulthood.

Carry Fisher is on earth in present time and has written some pretty
kinky sex books. She has also done some work in Hollywood.

A better question is the difference beteween Princess Lea and Princess
Vespa of planet Druidia.

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#54852

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
Message-ID<2014011720513571215-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54851
On 2014-01-18 04:35:31 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:

> On 14-01-17 22:39, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Do you understand the difference between Princess Leia and Carry Fisher?
> 
> Princess Lea lived a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Her
> dad was Darth Vader although she didn't know it until well into adulthood.
> 
> Carry Fisher is on earth in present time and has written some pretty
> kinky sex books. She has also done some work in Hollywood.
> 
> A better question is the difference beteween Princess Lea and Princess
> Vespa of planet Druidia.

Yup! Satire works much better than fantasy.  Why not Princess Lambretta 
of Milan?


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54846

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
Message-ID<lbct1b$s4m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54842
On 1/17/14, 9:45 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2014-01-18 02:26:39 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>
>> On 2014-01-18, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-18 00:01:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner
>>> <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <2014011715203973861-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Are you mad? A coat that's a cross between a Tardis and an
>>>>>> invisibility
>>>>>> cloak? People'd kill for one of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and end up looking as dorkish as any clown who identifies with
>>>>> sci-fi characters from Dr. Who, Star Trek, or Star Wars.
>>>>
>>>> Oh my!
>>>
>>> Please don't tell me you do the Princess Leia thing.
>>
>> I'd do Princess Leia...
>
> Do you understand that Carrie Fisher has, ...er, moved on since those
> Princess Leia days?
> <
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/File_Carrie_Fisher_at_WonderCon_2009_4.jpg
>
>>
>
Her elocution is music to my ears.  Is she available on text-to-speech?

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#54860

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldkn5n.p5q.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#54842
In message <2014011718451591218-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-18 02:26:39 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:

>> On 2014-01-18, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-18 00:01:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>> 
>>>> In article <2014011715203973861-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you mad? A coat that's a cross between a Tardis and an invisibility
>>>>>> cloak? People'd kill for one of those.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...and end up looking as dorkish as any clown who identifies with
>>>>> sci-fi characters from Dr. Who, Star Trek, or Star Wars.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh my!
>>> 
>>> Please don't tell me you do the Princess Leia thing.
>> 
>> I'd do Princess Leia...

> Do you understand that Carrie Fisher has, ...er, moved on since those 
> Princess Leia days?

We were not talking about Carrie Fisher, we were talking about Princess
Leia.


-- 
Generalizations are always inaccurate.

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#54859

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldkn37.p5q.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#54841
In message <bju72vFkdujU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-18, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-01-18 00:01:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>
>>> In article <2014011715203973861-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Are you mad? A coat that's a cross between a Tardis and an invisibility
>>>>> cloak? People'd kill for one of those.
>>>> 
>>>> ...and end up looking as dorkish as any clown who identifies with
>>>> sci-fi characters from Dr. Who, Star Trek, or Star Wars.
>>> 
>>> Oh my!
>>
>> Please don't tell me you do the Princess Leia thing.

> I'd do Princess Leia...

Slave Leia, sure. Cinnamon-bun eared Leia?

Well, yeah, her too.

:)


-- 
sometimes ascii is the best use of bandwidth... Tonya Engst

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#54858

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldkmt9.p5q.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#54821
In message <2014011715203973861-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-17 22:47:29 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:

>> In article <2014011711442419479-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2014-01-17 19:36:52 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
>>> 
>>> > In article <170120141216399433%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>>> > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> > >> In article <2014011709275571775-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>> >> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> > > I think:
>>> >> > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_16_inch_Mk_I_naval_gun>
>>> >> > > > > or something like it is much better. Should allow me to keep any
>>> >> > > > > uppity
>>> >> > > neighbours in line.
>>> >> > > That is a tad tough to deal with when it comes to carry.
>>> >> >> Especially concealed carry.
>>> > > I have one of those long coats with big inside pockets as favoured by
>>> > shooters in various westerns.
>>> 
>>> So you don't mind looking like a dork?
>> 
>> Are you mad? A coat that's a cross between a Tardis and an invisibility
>> cloak? People'd kill for one of those.

> ...and end up looking as dorkish as any clown who identifies with 
> sci-fi characters from Dr. Who, Star Trek, or Star Wars.

I think we've all identified the dork.

-- 
"There's a light that shines on everything & everyone. And it shines so
bright - brighter even than the sun". That's what Minnie thinks as she
walks to meet her brother, who is nearly two years older on a Saturday
night. He's DJ-ing at some do on the edge of town on the night that
Minnie Timperley died.

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#54844

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
Message-ID<lbcsgj$q47$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54797
On 1/17/14, 11:36 AM, Tim Streater wrote:

>
> I think:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_16_inch_Mk_I_naval_gun>
>
> or something like it is much better. Should allow me to keep any uppity
> neighbours in line.
>
Mattel advertised a navel gun for children in 1959.  It was recalled due 
to injuries.

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#54872

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
Message-ID<CF000083.A678B%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#54792


On 1/17/14 9:26 AM, in article 170120140826502063%michelle@michelle.org,
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
>> fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...
> 
> The NRA and its adherents believe that anyone who wants to put any
> restrictions, no matter how minor, on firearm possession and/or use are
> gun control fanatics.
> 
> The Brady Campaign and its adherents believe that anyone who owns a gun
> or shoots one is a gun nut.
> 
> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
> will probably be this one:
> 
> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>

Expensive taste there. Hell, if you are looking for a large no-conceal
revolver get the six inch barrel. Better long-range target practice.

BTW: With the price of ammo these days, who can afford much, LOL!?!

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#54879

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
Message-ID<lbebe4$p9v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54872
In article <CF000083.A678B%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/17/14 9:26 AM, in article 170120140826502063%michelle@michelle.org,
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> > <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
> >> fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...
> > 
> > The NRA and its adherents believe that anyone who wants to put any
> > restrictions, no matter how minor, on firearm possession and/or use are
> > gun control fanatics.
> > 
> > The Brady Campaign and its adherents believe that anyone who owns a gun
> > or shoots one is a gun nut.
> > 
> > Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
> > those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
> > rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
> > will probably be this one:
> > 
> > <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
> > 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
> 
> Expensive taste there. Hell, if you are looking for a large no-conceal
> revolver get the six inch barrel. Better long-range target practice.
> 
> BTW: With the price of ammo these days, who can afford much, LOL!?!

Afford?

AFFORD???

First worry about *FINDING* some - *IF* you manage that, start worrying 
about affording it!

 .38 special (+P or not) is practically mythical around here. .22lr is 
just as bad. You can find 12 gauge skeet loads by the crate, but good 
luck finding buckshot or slugs. The only stuff that seems to be 
plentiful are oddball stuff that only "collector" type folks would be 
interested in - Goofy oversized ultra-super-mega-magnums that nobody in 
his right mind is going to use anywhere but on an african elephant hunt, 
and "mouse-gun" loads are everywhere, but simple .308, .30-06, .22lr, 
.38 special, .357 and .44 mag - All of those are damn near impossible to 
find locally, and if you do find somebody that has some on the shelf, 
it's "one box per customer per day" and the price is jacked beyond 
ridiculous.

-- 
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

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#54883

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
Message-ID<16udnfyr_8nSKkfPnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#54879
On 2014.01.18, 11:51 , Don Bruder wrote:

>   .38 special (+P or not) is practically mythical around here. .22lr is
> just as bad. You can find 12 gauge skeet loads by the crate, but good
> luck finding buckshot or slugs. The only stuff that seems to be
> plentiful are oddball stuff that only "collector" type folks would be
> interested in - Goofy oversized ultra-super-mega-magnums that nobody in
> his right mind is going to use anywhere but on an african elephant hunt,
> and "mouse-gun" loads are everywhere, but simple .308, .30-06, .22lr,

I was in Wal*Merde the other day and there was plenty of classic rifle 
rounds.  Nothing for handguns (other than .22/LR) of course here in 
heavily restricted handgun Canada.

At the local hunting place, they have tons of everything.

(No idea on prices - I don't follow it all that much anymore).

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#54907

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
Message-ID<180120141436196469%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54879
In article <lbebe4$p9v$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
wrote:

> .38 special (+P or not) is practically mythical around here. 

By the way what does the "+P" mean?

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#54921

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
Message-ID<2014011814324741168-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54907
On 2014-01-18 21:36:19 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <lbebe4$p9v$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> .38 special (+P or not) is practically mythical around here.
> 
> By the way what does the "+P" mean?

"+P" designates overpressure ammunition load. That is "overpressure" 
relative to the standard load range for a particular ammunition. The 
result is a round with a higher muzzle velocity and energy.
In the case of a .38 Special compare with a .357 Magnum, both have a 
caliber of .357'' (.38 is misleading). However, the Magnum has a 
slightly longer cartridge case and can therefore take a heavier powder 
load than the standard .38 Special. So a typical 38 Special has a 
typical standard pressure load of about 17,000 psi, the (+P) is about 
10% higher. This means that a more powerful load can be fired in a 
firearm not designed for magnum loads.

Usually (+P) ammo is not advised for use in older pistols or revolvers 
not certified for (+P) ammo. For example, pre-WWII M1911 .45 ACP and 
early 38 Specials should not have (+P) ammo fired in them as they have 
not been proofed for those higher pressures and catastrophic failures 
have been known to happen. Some, but not all (+P) ammo is restricted to 
Law Enforcement sales, but gun shows have made many of those 
restrictions redundant.

Firing (+P) ammo in most Magnum revolvers designed to take higher 
pressures, and many of the newer (but not all) pistol/revolver designs 
can deal with the extra punch. Always check the specifications.

The most drastic use of (+P) can be found in the .45 Colt Long, made 
famous in the Colt 1875 SAA "Peacemaker". That cartridge case is so 
large it allows for an overpressure load increase of 96% going from a 
standard pressure of 14,000 psi to 27,500 psi. Revolvers not designed 
for those pressures have had cylinder failures. So, you have to be 
careful where you use (+P) ammo.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54928

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
Message-ID<180120141624235559%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54921
In article <2014011814324741168-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> "+P" designates overpressure ammunition load. That is "overpressure" 
> relative to the standard load range for a particular ammunition.

Thanks.

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#54939

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
Message-ID<lbfhp4$n1s$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#54907
In article <180120141436196469%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <lbebe4$p9v$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > .38 special (+P or not) is practically mythical around here. 
> 
> By the way what does the "+P" mean?

It's a higher pressure, therefore higher velocity (in a long enough 
barrel) loading of .38 special. Not every .38 special ought to be 
shooting it. Some of the older guns quite literally go kaboom on it, and 
feeding it to a snubby is a waste unless what you're looking for is that 
cool hollywood muzzle flash. Two local smiths tell me I'm safe using it 
as carry ammo in my older-than-me S&W Model 15 (which I do - Hornady 
critical defense in +P) but for range time, I ought to stick to "plain" 
if I want the gun to stay functional. I tend to agree with them. Why 
beat it up? Never mind the usually higher price of +P ammo versus 
"plain".

For a .357 mag shooter, even the .38 special +P+ (Even higher 
pressure/velocity than +P) is a no-issues load. It can cheerfully eat 
'em all day long - or as long as whoever is pulling the trigger feels 
like throwing away the extra $$.

-- 
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

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#54954

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
Message-ID<06c9567f-c54d-4196-bcfd-141a62e929b1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#54939
On Sunday, 19 January 2014 03:45:59 UTC, Don Bruder  wrote:
> In article <180120141436196469%michelle@michelle.org>,
> 
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > In article <lbebe4$p9v$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> 
> > wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > .38 special (+P or not) is practically mythical around here. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > By the way what does the "+P" mean?
> 
> 
> 
> It's a higher pressure, therefore higher velocity (in a long enough 
> 
> barrel) loading of .38 special. Not every .38 special ought to be 
> 
> shooting it. Some of the older guns quite literally go kaboom on it, and 
> 
> feeding it to a snubby is a waste unless what you're looking for is that 
> 
> cool hollywood muzzle flash. Two local smiths tell me I'm safe using it 
> 
> as carry ammo in my older-than-me S&W Model 15 (which I do - Hornady 
> 
> critical defense in +P) but for range time, I ought to stick to "plain" 
> 
> if I want the gun to stay functional. I tend to agree with them. Why 
> 
> beat it up? Never mind the usually higher price of +P ammo versus 
> 
> "plain".
> 
> 
> 
> For a .357 mag shooter, even the .38 special +P+ (Even higher 
> 
> pressure/velocity than +P) is a no-issues load. It can cheerfully eat 
> 
> 'em all day long - or as long as whoever is pulling the trigger feels 
> 
> like throwing away the extra $$.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

I stated earlier that people on this thread were getting quite worked up about this. I stand by my statement! 

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#54885

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
Message-ID<2014011809225691375-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54872
On 2014-01-18 15:57:23 +0000, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> said:

> 
> 
> 
> On 1/17/14 9:26 AM, in article 170120140826502063%michelle@michelle.org,
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> In article <CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
>>> fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...
>> 
>> The NRA and its adherents believe that anyone who wants to put any
>> restrictions, no matter how minor, on firearm possession and/or use are
>> gun control fanatics.
>> 
>> The Brady Campaign and its adherents believe that anyone who owns a gun
>> or shoots one is a gun nut.
>> 
>> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
>> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
>> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
>> will probably be this one:
>> 
>> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
>> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
> 
> Expensive taste there. Hell, if you are looking for a large no-conceal
> revolver get the six inch barrel. Better long-range target practice.

What do you call long range with a pistol, or long range target practice?
Olympic Free Pistol is shot at 50 meters.

When it comes to defensive and/or combat shooting ranges vary from 
contact to about 25 yards at most, usually in the 10 foot to 15 yard 
range. For most defense/combat handguns in the higher calibers, a 
4''-5'' barrel with a 5'' to 6'' sight radius is more than good enough. 
This makes the weapon a little easier to handle and is actually better 
in a stress situation.
A long barrel hand gun with a long sight radius (8''-12''), might be 
inherently more accurate, but it is less forgiving, magnifying the 
smallest errors. It takes a lot of practice and training to wring the 
best out of a long sight radius target weapon. When I was shooting 
competition I would fire about 10,000 rounds a year, and that was not 
under combat stress.

> BTW: With the price of ammo these days, who can afford much, LOL!?!

Agreed, even with reloading it is not as affordable as it once was. 
When I did reload I was only reloading 38 SP for target shooting. Those 
were fed into my S&W model 52.

Bricks of .22 LR can still be had at reasonable prices. I still buy a 
fair amount of .38 SP mid-range, and .40 S&W 165 gr. FMJ and .45 ACP 
230 gr. FMJ,  for practice, usually in the Winchester 100 round value 
packs around $30 for the .40 S&W, and $38 for the .45 ACP. 38SP reloads 
run about $24 for a 100.

Carry rounds are a different matter. 50 Federal Premium (Law 
Enforcement) Tactical .45 (+P) 185 gr. JHP runs me about $28, and a 
similar price for .40 S&W 155 gr JHP.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54902

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
Message-ID<CF004B1F.A67B3%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#54885


On 1/18/14 11:22 AM, in article
2014011809225691375-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-18 15:57:23 +0000, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> said:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/17/14 9:26 AM, in article 170120140826502063%michelle@michelle.org,
>> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
>>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
>>>> fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...
>>> 
>>> The NRA and its adherents believe that anyone who wants to put any
>>> restrictions, no matter how minor, on firearm possession and/or use are
>>> gun control fanatics.
>>> 
>>> The Brady Campaign and its adherents believe that anyone who owns a gun
>>> or shoots one is a gun nut.
>>> 
>>> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
>>> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
>>> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
>>> will probably be this one:
>>> 
>>> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
>>> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
>> 
>> Expensive taste there. Hell, if you are looking for a large no-conceal
>> revolver get the six inch barrel. Better long-range target practice.
> 
> What do you call long range with a pistol, or long range target practice?
> Olympic Free Pistol is shot at 50 meters.
> 
> When it comes to defensive and/or combat shooting ranges vary from
> contact to about 25 yards at most, usually in the 10 foot to 15 yard
> range. For most defense/combat handguns in the higher calibers, a
> 4''-5'' barrel with a 5'' to 6'' sight radius is more than good enough.
> This makes the weapon a little easier to handle and is actually better
> in a stress situation.
> A long barrel hand gun with a long sight radius (8''-12''), might be
> inherently more accurate, but it is less forgiving, magnifying the
> smallest errors. It takes a lot of practice and training to wring the
> best out of a long sight radius target weapon. When I was shooting
> competition I would fire about 10,000 rounds a year, and that was not
> under combat stress.
> 

Hey, Duck, since you are mentioning range and such, have you ever thought
about the newest 'fad', laser sights? Just curious.

>> BTW: With the price of ammo these days, who can afford much, LOL!?!
> 
> Agreed, even with reloading it is not as affordable as it once was.
> When I did reload I was only reloading 38 SP for target shooting. Those
> were fed into my S&W model 52.
> 

Yep, I used to reload shotgun shells, not because of the expense, but a
friend did so and taught it to me. Don't have the equipment anymore but I
seem to recall having a bunch of empty 12ga cartridges around here
somewhere.

> Bricks of .22 LR can still be had at reasonable prices. I still buy a
> fair amount of .38 SP mid-range, and .40 S&W 165 gr. FMJ and .45 ACP
> 230 gr. FMJ,  for practice, usually in the Winchester 100 round value
> packs around $30 for the .40 S&W, and $38 for the .45 ACP. 38SP reloads
> run about $24 for a 100.
> 
> Carry rounds are a different matter. 50 Federal Premium (Law
> Enforcement) Tactical .45 (+P) 185 gr. JHP runs me about $28, and a
> similar price for .40 S&W 155 gr JHP.
> 

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