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Newsreaders

Started byMichelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org>
First post2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Last post2014-02-09 17:41 -0700
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  Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-16 15:20 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 10:09 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 13:20 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 14:04 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:10 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 14:35 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:39 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 15:30 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:35 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-27 22:10 -0400
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:59 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:37 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:16 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:38 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:49 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 18:59 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:01 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 02:59 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:50 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 04:16 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:36 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:34 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:04 +1300
            Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:18 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:34 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:48 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:50 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:57 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 16:04 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 23:24 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 12:41 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 15:51 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:28 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:55 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 17:01 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:53 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:27 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 04:50 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:04 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-30 12:11 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:27 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:56 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 19:28 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:56 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:07 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:29 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 16:01 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 21:37 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:17 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:20 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:01 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:27 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 21:25 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:41 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-29 00:36 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:00 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:14 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:42 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:49 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 22:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 13:56 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 14:24 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:19 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:30 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 17:37 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 23:00 +0100
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 18:36 -0400
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:32 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-01 10:39 -0500
                                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-02 10:00 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-01 16:43 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 11:02 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 16:23 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 10:41 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 17:09 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 11:02 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:34 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:13 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:14 -0700
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 14:08 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:33 +0000
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 19:26 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:32 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:06 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 07:45 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:48 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 13:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 15:05 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 13:00 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:36 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 13:18 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:09 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 20:51 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:29 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 22:07 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 12:07 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 11:17 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 11:40 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 16:12 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-31 16:42 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders =?UTF-8?Q?=21=C2=A1=21?= Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 16:41 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡!? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 11:55 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-11-02 13:22 +1100
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 05:41 +0100
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 14:23 +0100
                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 13:48 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 10:58 -0500
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:49 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:49 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 17:08 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 13:21 -0500
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:27 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:47 -0400
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 23:01 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 23:16 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:36 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 21:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:33 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 18:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 20:48 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:54 -0400
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 21:19 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-04 12:20 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 04:39 -0400
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 19:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 03:43 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 00:53 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:14 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-08 16:28 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-09 04:13 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-10 08:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-11 09:02 +0100
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:52 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:56 -0800
                                                  Re: Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-12 09:00 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:54 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 09:21 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-12 14:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-12 14:27 -0800
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-12 17:04 -0600
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:15 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-14 12:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:38 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:32 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:41 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:00 -0500
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-17 17:14 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-11 22:37 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 03:59 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:31 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:37 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-12 21:47 -0600
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 16:58 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:37 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-14 09:24 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:23 -0600
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 13:18 +1300
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:34 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Martin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 05:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-16 11:07 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 08:26 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 19:40 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 00:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 13:36 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 02:59 +1300
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:11 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 11:49 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-14 02:03 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:30 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 05:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-15 18:23 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:36 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 21:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 04:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 13:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:19 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 07:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 17:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-15 12:21 -0800
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:32 -0600
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:30 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-15 13:26 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 22:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:48 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 03:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 07:59 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:54 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:21 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:09 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-11-16 13:33 -0600
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:47 +0100
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:49 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-18 06:52 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-16 07:58 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 11:10 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:50 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 17:48 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 05:37 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-17 15:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:16 +1300
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:09 +1300
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:23 +0100
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:27 +1300
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¬°! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 15:44 +1300
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 18:02 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:45 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:51 +0000
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:59 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:53 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-02 14:02 -0700
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-02 21:11 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 21:32 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-03 00:50 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:55 +0100
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:07 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:23 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:07 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 18:31 -0700
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:10 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:50 -0700
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 16:12 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:42 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:13 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:48 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:43 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:30 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-03 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:37 -0800
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:05 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:39 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-04 02:01 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:05 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:33 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 10:12 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:15 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:01 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-08 06:28 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 14:28 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:57 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-08 19:02 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 19:29 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-09 12:50 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-09 13:21 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:35 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 18:49 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:11 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 22:31 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-09 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:33 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:46 -0700
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:49 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 22:03 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 14:04 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:48 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-10 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:44 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 13:43 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-11 00:29 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 20:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-14 12:20 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 18:40 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 23:45 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-14 17:16 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-14 12:11 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:22 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 10:27 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 15:24 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 23:47 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:21 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-09 11:22 -0600
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 22:23 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:08 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:37 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:59 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 06:40 +1100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:01 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:40 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:40 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 22:45 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 22:07 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:38 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 +1100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:06 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:02 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 16:28 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:30 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:30 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 04:44 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 23:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:15 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-13 13:52 -0600
                            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:33 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-16 08:23 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:58 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-16 15:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-11 23:40 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:32 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 05:02 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:46 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:40 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 20:29 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 11:30 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:08 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 13:32 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:35 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:19 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:20 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:16 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:25 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:46 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:52 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:57 -0600
                                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 01:41 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-15 11:36 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-15 20:23 +0100
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:05 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:31 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:51 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-16 12:28 -0600
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:33 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-17 17:42 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 20:54 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:01 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-17 02:59 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:38 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:26 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:14 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-14 17:04 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:55 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:29 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:26 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 22:33 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:51 -0500
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:49 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:41 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:37 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:24 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:11 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:27 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:53 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:11 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 20:04 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:05 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:17 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:18 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 12:41 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:55 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:58 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:47 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-12 02:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 18:31 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 11:39 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 19:02 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 11:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 19:11 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:50 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:32 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-14 17:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 19:10 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:50 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-25 21:08 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Michael Breslau <mbreslau@speakeasy.org> - 2014-02-26 08:03 -0800
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-26 20:12 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:41 -0700

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#52224 — Re: Newsreaders !¡!

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2013-11-14 10:02 +0000
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !¡!
Message-ID<slrnl897us.epq.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#52206
In article <1lcapnk.1wdugosftw3vsN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> > > > It still beats me why anybody would use TB for Usenet with either OSX
> > > > or Windows.
> > >
> > >  People have different reasons hat might not suit others. TB issues
> > >  compliant NNTP stuff and that's the only thing that matters for others.
> >
> > Thunderbird is, as you know, one of the least compliant and most buggy
> > NNTP clients known to mankind. Only a complete idiot would continue to
> > claim otherwise.
>
>  Only an idiot gives a shit about meaningless compliance to standards
>  over how nice it is to actually use the app. Laszlo is such an idiot, it
>  would seem.

Well, he is a lying troll. And he is using a non-standards compliant client 
that is also awful to use. Yeah, he is that stupid. 

--
Sandman[.net]

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#52414 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

From"D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com>
Date2013-11-17 20:00 -0500
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<dfmanno-D95677.20004117112013@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#52183
In article <2013111214271336162-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, 
> illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which 
> holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a 
> piece of shit by the clean end."

Mencken never said that. The first cite for "mainstream media" is 1980 
(he died in 1956), and "political correctness" would have meant 
something totally different to him than it does today, then being the 
Communist Party term for the dogmatic application of Stalinist doctrine. 
The current meaning for the phrase dates to 1970.

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#52415 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-17 17:14 -0800
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<2013111717145448199-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#52414
On 2013-11-18 01:00:42 +0000, "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> said:

> In article <2013111214271336162-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
>> illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which
>> holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a
>> piece of shit by the clean end."
> 
> Mencken never said that.

I never said he did. All my Mencken quotes in that post are tagged 
(HLM), and have a year tag. Go back and take another look at my post.

> The first cite for "mainstream media" is 1980
> (he died in 1956),

Yup! The above quote has absolutely nothing to do with Mencken.

> and "political correctness" would have meant
> something totally different to him than it does today,

I doubt if he would have even been familiar with the term.

> then being the Communist Party term for the dogmatic application of 
> Stalinist doctrine.
> The current meaning for the phrase dates to 1970.

Yup!

Note, of the quotes I gave the last three do not have authors credited, 
or dates of origin noted.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52125 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-11-11 22:37 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<1lc703n.166no831fkrymyN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#52122
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> >   Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> >
> > You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
> > the case.
> >
> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support
> since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
> 
> ì?'? ? ?ì?? ???? ???? ??ƒ????? ç??'? ?ì????? ????.

Do me a favour - write entirely in unicode's extended character set. I
can't even work up the enthusiasm to waste ten seconds on killfiling
you.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52163 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-11-12 13:50 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<l5t867$j6s$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#52125
On 11.11.2013 10:37, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
>>>    Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
>>>
>>> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
>>> the case.
>>>
>> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support
>> since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
>>
>> ì?'? ? ?ì?? ???? ???? ??ƒ????? ç??'? ?ì????? ????.
>
> Do me a favour - write entirely in unicode's extended character set. I
> can't even work up the enthusiasm to waste ten seconds on killfiling
> you.
>
What is a "unicode extended character set"?
Something new i'm not aware of? Please tell us.
Isn't regular unicode powerful enough?
;-)
You are welcome to put me in your kill file any time, it won't take ten 
seconds! It will however not make your obsolete software more compliant.
It's rarely a solution to kill the messenger, instead of dealing with 
the ugly reality.




-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52168 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-11-13 03:59 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<1lc98gl.1gy9suiej2jzdN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#52163
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 11.11.2013 10:37, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >>> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> >>>    Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> >>>
> >>> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
> >>> the case.
> >>>
> >> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support
> >> since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
> >>
> >> ì?'? ? ?ì?? ???? ???? ??ƒ????? ç??'? ?ì????? ????.
> >
> > Do me a favour - write entirely in unicode's extended character set. I
> > can't even work up the enthusiasm to waste ten seconds on killfiling
> > you.
> >
> What is a "unicode extended character set"?
> Something new i'm not aware of? Please tell us.
> Isn't regular unicode powerful enough?
> ;-)
> You are welcome to put me in your kill file any time, it won't take ten
> seconds! It will however not make your obsolete software more compliant.
> It's rarely a solution to kill the messenger, instead of dealing with
> the ugly reality.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8> The first hint is right there in
only the second sentence. Then move down to the History section. Or read
any decent treatise on UTF-8 - hell even simply Googling would lead you
to wikipedia, http://www.utf-8.com/ and dozens of other pages detailing
UTF-8's backward compatibility with ASCII and making it obvious what I
meant by "unicode's extended character set". Perhaps actually _knowing_
something about a topic may be a good starting point for debating said
topic? Nah, you're a troll. Ignorance is your natural medium :-)

Learn to socialise in a positive manner, Laszlo. You can better
yourself, but it's your personal responsibility. Don't try and shift the
blame to others. Becoming a worthwhile person in society is down to you
and you alone.

Anyway, enough slapping you around for tonight. You make it too easy
when you say amusing ignorant and unjustifiably smug rubbish like
"Something new i'm not aware of? Please tell us" about things you
clearly have no comprehension of :-D I mean hell - at least make me take
longer to reference myself than it would to killfile you. Make me work
for my victory over sad little boys like you. Don't just give it away
:-)

Anyway - hopefully I've illustrated above the concept of justified
smugness *grins* It's when you're right because you actually educated
yourself using reality to do so. Give it a go some time. It's so much
more rewarding being right, like I am.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52174 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-11-12 19:31 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<l5ts6m$njd$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#52168
On 12.11.2013 15:59, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> It's so much more rewarding being right, like I am.

A distorted reality perception begins usually exactly like that.

-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52203 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-11-13 22:37 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<1lcap6x.1kbw7hz5z3ijwN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#52174
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 12.11.2013 15:59, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> > It's so much more rewarding being right, like I am.
> 
> A distorted reality perception begins usually exactly like that.

Know when to end an argument. Hint: that would be after you lost in an
embarrassing and public manner of your own doing.

Reason. Logic. Reality. Not magically going away because you call
reality 'distorted' - typical of fanatics everywhere :-)

-- 
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#52190 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2013-11-12 21:47 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<timmcn-BF648C.21474412112013@news.iphouse.com>
In reply to#52122
In article <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> >   Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> >
> > You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
> > the case.
> >
> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support 
> since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
> 
> ì?'? à ?ì?? ??à? ???? ??Ÿ??à?? çà?'? ?ì???à? ??à?.

Lucky for me that I don't care if my newsreader can cope with Unicode, 
isn't it?

-- 
And wackiness ensues...

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#52191 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-13 16:58 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<131120131658445033%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#52190
In article <timmcn-BF648C.21474412112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim
McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de>,
>  Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> > On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > > In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> > >   Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> > >
> > > You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
> > > the case.
> > >
> > Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support 
> > since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
> > 
> > ì?'? à ?ì?? ??à? ???? ??Ÿ??à?? çà?'? ?ì???à? ??à?.
> 
> Lucky for me that I don't care if my newsreader can cope with Unicode, 
> isn't it?

Probably 95% of people on Usenet don't care about it either.  :-)

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#52204 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-11-13 10:37 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<l5vh98$fl3$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#52191
On 13.11.2013 04:58, Your Name wrote:
> In article <timmcn-BF648C.21474412112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim
> McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> In article <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de>,
>>   Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>>> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
>>>>    Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
>>>>
>>>> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
>>>> the case.
>>>>
>>> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support
>>> since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
>>>
>>> ì?'? à ?ì?? ??à? ???? ??Ÿ??à?? çà?'? ?ì???à? ??à?.
>>
>> Lucky for me that I don't care if my newsreader can cope with Unicode,
>> isn't it?
>
> Probably 95% of people on Usenet don't care about it either.  :-)
>
Your vision of the world is somewhat restricted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WritingSystemsoftheWorld4.png
even Latin America uses glyphs that e.g. Thoth can't resolve and mixes 
up in this subject.



-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52214 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-14 09:24 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<141120130924388626%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#52204
In article <l5vh98$fl3$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun
<lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> On 13.11.2013 04:58, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <timmcn-BF648C.21474412112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim
> > McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >> In article <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de>,
> >>   Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >>>> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> >>>>    Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> >>>>
> >>>> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is
> >>>> the case.
> >>>>
> >>> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support
> >>> since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013?
> >>>
> >>> ˆ¨?'? ˆÝ ?ˆ¨?? ??ˆÝ? ???? ??‰½??ˆÝ?? ˆßˆÝ?'? ?ˆ¨???ˆÝ? ??ˆÝ?.
> >>
> >> Lucky for me that I don't care if my newsreader can cope with Unicode,
> >> isn't it?
> >
> > Probably 95% of people on Usenet don't care about it either.  :-)
> 
> Your vision of the world is somewhat restricted.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WritingSystemsoftheWorld4.png
> even Latin America uses glyphs that e.g. Thoth can't resolve and mixes 
> up in this subject.

Countries that use accented characters, etc. have been using computers
and similar devices since long before unicode came about and most of
the people don't have any problem seeing words like "cafe" without the
accent mark above the letter e. 95% of the world simply doesn't care,
whether it's by laziness or simply become habit. To a large degree
unicode is too little too late.

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#52252 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2013-11-14 17:23 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<timmcn-373242.17232114112013@news.iphouse.com>
In reply to#52204
In article <l5vh98$fl3$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 13.11.2013 04:58, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <timmcn-BF648C.21474412112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim 
> > McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >> In article <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de>,
> >>   Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >>>> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> >>>>    Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> >>>>
> >>>> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think 
> >>>> that is the case.
> >>>>
> >>> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode 
> >>> support since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope 
> >>> with it in2013?
> >>>
> >>> м?'? а ?м?? ??а? ???? ??Ќ??а?? за?'? ?м???а? ??а?.
> >>
> >> Lucky for me that I don't care if my newsreader can cope with 
> >> Unicode, isn't it?
> >
> > Probably 95% of people on Usenet don't care about it either.  :-)
> >
> Your vision of the world is somewhat restricted. 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WritingSystemsoftheWorld4.png even 
> Latin America uses glyphs that e.g. Thoth can't resolve and mixes up 
> in this subject.


Then folks who need Unicode should use a different newsreader.  

Since I read nothing but English (my French and Gaeilge skills are so 
poor that I can't claim to do much more than decipher) Unicode really 
doesn't have much benefit for me.

Someday I might find a use for musical glyphs in Unicode, I suppose, 
since I do participate in musical discussions.  Usually the score under 
discussion is far too complex to render in Unicode, however.

-- 
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#52254 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-15 13:18 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<151120131318312865%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#52252
In article <timmcn-373242.17232114112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim
McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <l5vh98$fl3$1@tota-refugium.de>,
>  Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> > On 13.11.2013 04:58, Your Name wrote:
> > > In article <timmcn-BF648C.21474412112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim 
> > > McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de>,
> > >>   Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > >>>> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
> > >>>>    Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think 
> > >>>> that is the case.
> > >>>>
> > >>> Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode 
> > >>> support since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope 
> > >>> with it in2013?
> > >>>
> > >>> ì?'? à ?ì?? ??à? ???? ????à?? çà?'? ?ì???à? ??à?.
> > >>
> > >> Lucky for me that I don't care if my newsreader can cope with 
> > >> Unicode, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Probably 95% of people on Usenet don't care about it either.  :-)
> > 
> > Your vision of the world is somewhat restricted. 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WritingSystemsoftheWorld4.png even 
> > Latin America uses glyphs that e.g. Thoth can't resolve and mixes up 
> > in this subject.
> 
> Then folks who need Unicode should use a different newsreader.  
> 
> Since I read nothing but English (my French and Gaeilge skills are so 
> poor that I can't claim to do much more than decipher) Unicode really 
> doesn't have much benefit for me.
<snip>

Technically English does have some [stolen] words that should have
accented letters (cafe being an obvious example), but most poeple
simply don't bother even when handwriting them, altough Microsoft Word
will automatically correct some of them for you. The proper English
language has long ago been eroded by the use of technology and the
creeping in of Americanisms.

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#52273 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<slrnl8bglp.u0d.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#52252
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:23:21 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
>  Since I read nothing but English (my French and Gaeilge skills are so 
>  poor that I can't claim to do much more than decipher) Unicode really 
>  doesn't have much benefit for me.

It doesn't matter whether you do need it yourself. But I feel it's
ignorant if you destroy a thread because your's doesnt, but his does -
and he may require it, if not with you, then with someone else.

You might be happy with plain ASCII. It's enough for me to talk with
you. But as soon as I do enter another newsgroup, I might prefer to use
e.g. a € sign - which itself does not need UTF-8. But UTF-8 does a
better job than messed up win charsets or iso-latin-1 or iso-latin-15.

It was me who added a ¡ for a test to the subject - and it split the
threading by subject some time ago by someone with a broken newsreader.

- Martin

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#52330 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2013-11-15 22:34 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<timmcn-D0B5CC.22341515112013@news.iphouse.com>
In reply to#52273
In article <slrnl8bglp.u0d.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>,
 Martin Éąrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:23:21 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >  Since I read nothing but English (my French and Gaeilge skills are 
> >  so poor that I can't claim to do much more than decipher) Unicode 
> >  really doesn't have much benefit for me.
> 
> It doesn't matter whether you do need it yourself. But I feel it's 
> ignorant if you destroy a thread because your's doesnt, but his does 
> - and he may require it, if not with you, then with someone else.

I don't understand the paranoia you are exhibiting.  

The odds of my "destroying" a thread are slim to none.  Since I don't 
read anything but English in any practical way (I have a smattering of 
French and Irish) and certainly don't write in any language but English, 
I am not going to be responding to a post written in a language 
requiring Unicode.  If you're writing in English, then there is no 
problem.  Why would I bother to try to horn in on a thread in a language 
I can't understand?  I wouldn't even be looking at those posts in the 
first place.

So your Unicode threads are safe from me.

> You might be happy with plain ASCII. It's enough for me to talk with 
> you. But as soon as I do enter another newsgroup, I might prefer to 
> use e.g. a ¤ sign - which itself does not need UTF-8. But UTF-8 does 
> a better job than messed up win charsets or iso-latin-1 or 
> iso-latin-15.
> 
> It was me who added a Ą for a test to the subject - and it split the 
> threading by subject some time ago by someone with a broken 
> newsreader.

So you set that up.  It prove something to you, apparently, but not to 
me.  Other than than Unicode is not ready for prime time in the real 
world.

-- 
And wackiness ensues...

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#52335 — Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only

FromMartin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-11-16 05:08 +0000
SubjectRe: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only
Message-ID<slrnl8dvdl.1188.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#52330
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:34:16 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
>  In article <slrnl8bglp.u0d.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>,
>   Martin ɱrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:23:21 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > >  Since I read nothing but English (my French and Gaeilge skills are 
> > >  so poor that I can't claim to do much more than decipher) Unicode 
> > >  really doesn't have much benefit for me.
> > 
> > It doesn't matter whether you do need it yourself. But I feel it's 
> > ignorant if you destroy a thread because your's doesnt, but his does 
> > - and he may require it, if not with you, then with someone else.
> 
>  I don't understand the paranoia you are exhibiting.  

Yours just did with the way my name should have been displayed.
Even worse, you will destroy the name of someone who actually does have
these characters within his name.

>  The odds of my "destroying" a thread are slim to none.  Since I don't 
>  read anything but English in any practical way (I have a smattering of 
>  French and Irish) and certainly don't write in any language but English, 
>  I am not going to be responding to a post written in a language 
>  requiring Unicode.

Maybe you don't. But others do - and who will stop you from replying to
a thread such as "MacOS 10.10 costs 9,99 €, but is free in US"?

This one here now names a € symbol - I suppose you won't get it, but
destroy this instead.

>  If you're writing in English, then there is no 
>  problem.  Why would I bother to try to horn in on a thread in a language 
>  I can't understand?  I wouldn't even be looking at those posts in the 
>  first place.

You do ignore the problem that even a thread in English might include
characters which are not ASCII.

Obviously you can't "über den eigenen Tellerrand schauen".
(a German saying where dict.leo.org suggests the translation “to look
beyond one’s own nose”). And even there you might observe how crippled
your setup is since proper typography does require a proper apostrophe ’
(which looks like a small 9) instead of the plain typewriter '.

- Martin

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#52351 — Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2013-11-16 11:07 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only
Message-ID<droleary-9351D1.11072616112013@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#52335
In article <slrnl8dvdl.1188.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>,
 Martin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:34:16 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > 
> >  I don't understand the paranoia you are exhibiting.  
> 
> Yours just did with the way my name should have been displayed.
> Even worse, you will destroy the name of someone who actually does have
> these characters within his name.

What a bunch of crybabies.  "Oh, how I am *destroyed* by your fiendish 
character encoding!"  You know how many computer systems *still* screw 
up my last name because they can't handle an apostrophe?  No Unicode 
issues necessary.  Stop being so dramatic.

> This one here now names a € symbol - I suppose you won't get it, but
> destroy this instead.

Regardless of Usenet, the Euro is doing just fine at destroying itself.  
Zing!  (Said the man throwing stones from the glass house that is the 
United States :-)

> You do ignore the problem that even a thread in English might include
> characters which are not ASCII.

Seriously, it is unquestionably annoying.  At this point, I think best 
practices simply should be to say that any "old" code should be allowed 
to slide for limited ASCII support.  But any new code that supports 
encodings of any kind should *first* implement Unicode.

It's all, moot, though.  Usenet software is not being modernized to the 
extent that users can appreciate it.  On the Mac, MT-NW is dead, there 
is no good replacement, no prospects for new development, and nobody is 
doing anything to crowd fund anything different.  Another tempest in a 
teapot.

-- 
iPhone apps that matter:    http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
    and probably your server, too.

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#52357 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-11-17 08:26 +1300
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<1lch0nr.qicgquzg1c9zN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#52273
Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:23:21 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >  Since I read nothing but English (my French and Gaeilge skills are so
> >  poor that I can't claim to do much more than decipher) Unicode really
> >  doesn't have much benefit for me.
> 
> It doesn't matter whether you do need it yourself. But I feel it's
> ignorant if you destroy a thread because your's doesnt, but his does -
> and he may require it, if not with you, then with someone else.
> 
> You might be happy with plain ASCII. It's enough for me to talk with
> you. But as soon as I do enter another newsgroup, I might prefer to use
> e.g. a € sign - which itself does not need UTF-8. But UTF-8 does a
> better job than messed up win charsets or iso-latin-1 or iso-latin-15.
> 
> It was me who added a ¡ for a test to the subject - and it split the
> threading by subject some time ago by someone with a broken newsreader.
> 
> - Martin

Day 19 of the Unicode thread saga - somehow, overcoming terrible
adversity, I continue to be able to communicate effectively without full
Unicode support, as I have for the past two decades.

I shall try to find the strength to go on...

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52360 — Re: Newsreaders !?!

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-11-16 19:40 +0000
SubjectRe: Newsreaders !?!
Message-ID<slrnl8fih5.11c8.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#52357
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:26:44 +1300, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>  Day 19 of the Unicode thread saga - somehow, overcoming terrible
>  adversity, I continue to be able to communicate effectively without full
>  Unicode support, as I have for the past two decades.

Some people try to improve a discussion by adding new thoughts or information,
some people try to learn from a discussion.

And some people like reading themselves, repeating what they said before
again and again.

>  I shall try to find the strength to go on...

Let’s have a guess which group you belong to, shall we?

In fact your newsreader is just a little bit broken.

- Martin

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