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  High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-13 21:15 -0700
    Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-13 21:38 -0700
      Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-13 22:02 -0700
      Re: High Heat David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-07-14 15:14 -0400
    Re: High Heat Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-14 19:13 +1200
      Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:16 -0700
    Re: High Heat Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-14 07:12 -0400
    Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 11:29 +0000
      Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:11 -0700
        Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 20:18 +0000
          Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-15 08:01 +1000
            Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 22:23 +0000
              Re: High Heat Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-14 23:27 +0100
                Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 22:35 +0000
                  Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 16:22 -0700
                    Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 23:50 +0000
              Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-15 09:47 +1000
                Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-15 00:02 +0000
                  Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-15 10:31 +1000
                    Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-15 01:02 +0000
                      Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-18 17:39 +1000
                        Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-18 13:26 +0000
                          Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-19 10:02 +1000
                        Re: High Heat Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-20 05:44 +0000
                          Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-20 14:04 +0000
                            Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-21 10:54 +1000
                              Re: High Heat Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-22 01:15 +0000
                                Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-22 14:52 +0000
                    Re: High Heat George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:27 -0500
          Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 16:21 -0700
            Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 23:50 +0000
              Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 21:08 -0700
                Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-15 05:23 +0000
        Re: High Heat George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:23 -0500
    Re: High Heat billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-14 15:06 +0000
      Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:14 -0700
        Re: High Heat billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-14 17:29 +0000
          Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 11:59 -0700
            Re: High Heat billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-14 21:54 +0000
              Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 16:18 -0700
    Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:18 -0700

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#62197 — High Heat

My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a 
kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of 
response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of 
waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.

The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the 
gills.  I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of 
hours during *part* of this period.  Analysis indicating no disc 
problems.  I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the 
S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this:

	http://grab.by/yxog

I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature.  
It's 115.  What should it be.  I haven't done anything on the computer 
for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to 
TinyGrab and such.  Nothing much.

Any ideas on all this?

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#62198

On 2014-07-14 04:15:03 +0000, gtr said:

> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a 
> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of 
> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of 
> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
> 
> The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the 
> gills.  I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of 
> hours during *part* of this period.  Analysis indicating no disc 
> problems.  I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the 
> S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this:
> 
> 	http://grab.by/yxog
> 
> I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature.  
> It's 115.  What should it be.  I haven't done anything on the computer 
> for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to 
> TinyGrab and such.  Nothing much.
> 
> Any ideas on all this?

I'm not ripping a video DVD and it's up to 160 degrees and holding.  
CPU is obviously quite high and the temperature in the room is 80 
degrees.

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#62199

On 2014-07-14 04:38:39 +0000, gtr said:

> I'm no[w] ripping a video DVD and it's up to 160 degrees and holding.  
> CPU is obviously quite high and the temperature in the room is 80 
> degrees.

Should be NOW ripping...

It just finished, while I was off erranding, and at 116 degrees.  79 
degrees in here.  Tomorrow predicted to be warm and sunny with or 
without humidity from a nearby marine layer that may or may not be 
laying.

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#62223

In article <2014071321383968005-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2014-07-14 04:15:03 +0000, gtr said:
> 
> > My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a 
> > kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of 
> > response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of 
> > waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
> > 
> > The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the 
> > gills.  I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of 
> > hours during *part* of this period.  Analysis indicating no disc 
> > problems.  I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the 
> > S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this:
> > 
> > 	http://grab.by/yxog
> > 
> > I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature.  
> > It's 115.  What should it be.  I haven't done anything on the computer 
> > for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to 
> > TinyGrab and such.  Nothing much.
> > 
> > Any ideas on all this?
> 
> I'm not ripping a video DVD and it's up to 160 degrees and holding.  
> CPU is obviously quite high and the temperature in the room is 80 
> degrees.

FWIW, on my iMac (mid-2010, 27", 3.6 GHz i5, running ML), the CPU 
temperature is about 125°F. This is its usual range, and I have had no 
problems like you describe.

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#62201

In article <2014071321150331985-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a 
> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of 
> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of 
> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
<snip>

This may or may not have anything to do with the heat. There are some
people complaining about slow Macs with Mavericks, especially Finder
windows.

A couple of suggestions I've come across to try are:

   - deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist
     (you may then need to reset some of your Finder preferences)
   
   - commenting out a line in the /etc/auto_master
     configuration file, which has to be done via Terminal
          - open Terminal
          - type: sudo nano /etc/auto_master
          - you will see a line that says something like
                /net -hosts -nobrowse,hidefromfinder,nosuid
          - change that line by adding a # character at the
            start (the # can be removed again later if you
            want to)
          - press Ctrl-O to save the changes
          - press Ctrl-X to quit
          - this stops Finder from potentially stalling when
            checking for networked drives that aren't there,
            which is apparently a bug in Mavericks

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#62213

On 2014-07-14 07:13:16 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <2014071321150331985-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
> <snip>
> 
> This may or may not have anything to do with the heat. There are some
> people complaining about slow Macs with Mavericks, especially Finder
> windows.
> 
> A couple of suggestions I've come across to try are:
> 
>    - deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist
>      (you may then need to reset some of your Finder preferences)
> 
>    - commenting out a line in the /etc/auto_master
>      configuration file, which has to be done via Terminal
>           - open Terminal
>           - type: sudo nano /etc/auto_master
>           - you will see a line that says something like
>                 /net -hosts -nobrowse,hidefromfinder,nosuid
>           - change that line by adding a # character at the
>             start (the # can be removed again later if you
>             want to)
>           - press Ctrl-O to save the changes
>           - press Ctrl-X to quit
>           - this stops Finder from potentially stalling when
>             checking for networked drives that aren't there,
>             which is apparently a bug in Mavericks

Thanks for the ideas, duly stashed.

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#62204

On 2014.07.14, 00:15 , gtr wrote:
> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
>
> The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the
> gills.  I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of
> hours during *part* of this period.  Analysis indicating no disc
> problems.  I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the
> S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this:
>
>      http://grab.by/yxog
>
> I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature.
> It's 115.  What should it be.  I haven't done anything on the computer

What temperature?  Is that F or C?

> for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to
> TinyGrab and such.  Nothing much.
>
> Any ideas on all this?
>

Power down, then Reset the SMC by unplugging the power cord for 30 
seconds.  Plug in, re-start and see what you get.


-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#62205

On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a 
> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of 
> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of 
> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.

Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
of the problem?

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#62210

On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
> 
> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
> of the problem?

"Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I 
couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to 
insult my ability to parse system and console logs.

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#62227

On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
>>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
>>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
>>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
>> 
>> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
>> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
>> of the problem?
>
> "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I 
> couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to 
> insult my ability to parse system and console logs.

Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult.

You found zero errors in the logs?

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#62232

In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> >
> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
> >>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
> >>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
> >> 
> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
> >> of the problem?
> >
> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I 
> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to 
> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs.
> 
> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult.
> 

I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 
What's it like being you, JR?

-- 
dorayme

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#62234

On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
>> >>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
>> >>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
>> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
>> >> 
>> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
>> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
>> >> of the problem?
>> >
>> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I 
>> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to 
>> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs.
>> 
>> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult.
>
> I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 

Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
using correct grammar.

> What's it like being you, JR?

A lot of fun. : ) 

If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet,
you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better
about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway.  : )

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#62235

In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
> >> >>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
> >> >>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
> >> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
> >> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
> >> >> of the problem?
> >> >
> >> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I 
> >> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to 
> >> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs.
> >> 
> >> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult.
> >
> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 
> 
> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
> using correct grammar.
> 
> > What's it like being you, JR?
> 
> A lot of fun. : ) 
> 
> If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet,
> you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better
> about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway.  : )

You mean you're an airhead?

-- 
"If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling 
that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't 
ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid
tripping your hair-trigger insecurities."                  - D M Procida, UCSM

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#62237

On 2014-07-14, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> >> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> >> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
>> >> >>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
>> >> >>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
>> >> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
>> >> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
>> >> >> of the problem?
>> >> >
>> >> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I 
>> >> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to 
>> >> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs.
>> >> 
>> >> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult.
>> >
>> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 
>> 
>> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
>> using correct grammar.
>> 
>> > What's it like being you, JR?
>> 
>> A lot of fun. : ) 
>> 
>> If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet,
>> you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better
>> about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway.  : )
>
> You mean you're an airhead?

Gosh, you sure showed me!

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#62241

On 2014-07-14 22:35:55 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2014-07-14, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days.  Today I got a
>>>>>>>> kernal panic, my first.  Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
>>>>>>>> response.  I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
>>>>>>>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during
>>>>>>> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time
>>>>>>> of the problem?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I
>>>>>> couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to
>>>>>> insult my ability to parse system and console logs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult.
>>>> 
>>>> I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark?
>>> 
>>> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
>>> using correct grammar.
>>> 
>>>> What's it like being you, JR?
>>> 
>>> A lot of fun. : )
>>> 
>>> If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet,
>>> you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better
>>> about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway.  : )
>> 
>> You mean you're an airhead?
> 
> Gosh, you sure showed me!

While everybody is still present and remembers the thread--thanks for 
the input!

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#62244

On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
> While everybody is still present and remembers the thread--thanks for 
> the input!

You're welcome.

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#62242

In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 
> 
> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
> using correct grammar.
> 
 
Neatly avoiding the real point! 

About grammar and writing, dearie me, dearie me, (grammar points are 
in many ways the last refuge of the scoundrel), look past your holy 
nose. A question mark at the end of a sentence can indicate the way 
someone might say something in a questioning way, it is informal, it 
means what do you think about this! 

You can do better JR, if you just pause and think a little before 
replying. If you care to enrol in my classes on related matters, 
please indicate (there are fees involved).

-- 
dorayme

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#62245

On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 
>> 
>> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
>> using correct grammar.
>  
> Neatly avoiding the real point! 

If you have a point, you're certainly not making it very clearly, which
leads me to wonder just how sincere you are being. If you have something
to say to me, why don't you just say it plainly instead of beating
around the bush or trying to disguise it as something it's not?

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#62246

In article <c2j9c0FcrrvU3@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? 
> >> 
> >> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it
> >> using correct grammar.
> >  
> > Neatly avoiding the real point! 
> 
> If you have a point, you're certainly not making it very clearly, which
> leads me to wonder just how sincere you are being. If you have something
> to say to me, why don't you just say it plainly instead of beating
> around the bush or trying to disguise it as something it's not?

Sure, sometimes you are as thick as a brick. Look again at the thread 
and see what you said and gtr's reasonable objection. What is hard to 
understand about me saying that I thought you would not understand his 
point?

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#62247

On 2014-07-15, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Sure, sometimes you are as thick as a brick. Look again at the thread 
> and see what you said and gtr's reasonable objection.

Reasonable? That's debatable. I asked if it had occurred to him to check
the console and system logs. It's a legitimate question. He responded
indicating he felt that asking if it had occurred to him was somehow an
insult. You apparently think it was reasonable of him to feel insulted.
The problem is, you're both wrong in your inference that I insulted gtr.
I did no such thing.

It turns out he says he had thought of it, but hadn't mentioned it,
which we wouldn't know if I hadn't asked. And if I had not followed that
up with additional questions, we would not know that he didn't know what
to look for and didn't understand most of the log messages he read. We
only know that now because I asked. And now that I've given him some
information about what to look for specifically, we can find out if
there are any pertinent errors posted to the log during his observed
problem, which may help him resolve the issue.

Insist otherwise all you want; I know what I meant by my question better
than either of you, and it was no insult. 

> What is hard to understand about me saying that I thought you would
> not understand his point?

Oh, I understand it. It's just wrong. And your juvenile jabs and insults
help nothing. Do you have anything of substance to add to this
conversation, or are you just hell bent on slinging dirt my way in some
misguided attempt to serve "justice" for gtr?

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