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  Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 07:19 -0700
    Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-09 15:46 +0000
      Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 09:49 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 14:46 -0500
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:52 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 21:09 +0100
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 14:16 -0600
                Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-10 01:53 +0100
                  Re: Last Thoth? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-12-09 19:37 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-10 04:39 +0000
                  Re: Last Thoth? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-12-22 15:19 -0600
            Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
              Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-10 01:57 +0100
          Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:24 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:36 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 16:40 -0500
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:50 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:00 -0800
            Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 19:01 -0700
    Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-09 16:49 +0100
    Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 07:50 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:00 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? A N Niel <anniel@nym.alias.net.invalid> - 2013-12-10 09:19 -0700
          Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-10 12:40 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-13 20:53 +0100
            Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-13 16:38 -0500
              Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-13 17:29 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-10 12:22 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? Doc O'Leary <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-12-10 11:55 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 21:59 -0500
            Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-11 05:12 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:02 -0800
        Re: Last Thoth? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2013-12-14 16:25 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 09:08 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:58 +0100
      Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 12:50 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 08:44 -0500
          Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 14:06 +0000
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 17:31 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 01:48 +0000
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:12 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:35 +0000
                    Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:40 -0600
                      Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:53 +0000
                        Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:58 -0600
                          Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-19 19:27 -0800
                            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 21:49 -0600
                              Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:49 -0800
                        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:48 -0800
                          Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 07:56 -0600
                            Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-20 07:26 -0800
                      Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-20 15:24 -0500
                        Re: Last Thoth? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 06:43 -0800
                          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 10:48 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-21 10:44 -0600
                              Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 12:34 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-21 19:33 +0000
                          Re: Last Thoth? Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2013-12-21 22:25 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 20:24 +0100
                  Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 11:34 -0500
                    Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 11:01 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-19 15:00 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-19 10:30 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 10:32 -0800
    Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 18:53 +0100
      Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:50 +0100
        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:04 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:03 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 18:36 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 20:13 -0700
        Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 19:22 -0800

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#53197

In article <vilain-D48CAF.13250809122013@news.individual.net>, Michael
Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> > I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
> > success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many 
> great products just died because people didn't know about them?  Claris 
> made all these great products that were perfect in their price points 
> only to have the company vanish and the products killed off.  Except for 
> Filemaker, which actually became something.

It wasn't that people didn't know about Claris products; it's that
FileMaker Pro produced such an abnormal percentage of Claris' income
and profits that it was financially in the best interest of Claris and
Apple to kill off everything but FileMaker and ClarisWorks. They were a
strange pair of products to be produced by the same company, so Apple
brought ClarisWorks into itself and renamed it AppleWorks.

Oh, and the company didn't vanish; it merely changed its name.

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#53164

On 09.12.2013 15:19, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
>

Good news. You made my day!



-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#53166

On 2013-12-09 14:19:55 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> 
> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> 
> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> 
> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> providing French localization for Thoth."
> 
> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

That's curious.  Particularly since he's apparently spent so much time 
on it during the Mavericks transition.  I got the impression that he 
was back supporting it, and that part of the rationale is that other 
newsreaders seem to be falling by the wayside over the past couple of 
years.

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#53214

In article <2013120907501277189-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
> 
> That's curious.  Particularly since he's apparently spent so much time 
> on it during the Mavericks transition.  I got the impression that he 
> was back supporting it, and that part of the rationale is that other 
> newsreaders seem to be falling by the wayside over the past couple of 
> years.

I find it so odd that there were so few who bought Thoth after
Mavericks killed MT-NW. I was so happy to find Thoth and jumped right
on board. 

Brian has been exceptional in providing support and fixes. 

I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

-- 
m-m
photo gallery:
http://mhmyers.com

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#53218

In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
<nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
days.

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#53228

On 2013-12-10 16:19:02 +0000, A N Niel said:

> In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
> <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> 
>> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
> 
> This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
> days.

Not even many of us for that matter.  A number of years ago when the 
ISPs were doing usenet, our local one went down.  I was out of town 
when it happened and the way the usenet server worked then was I had to 
be on my ISP to actually use it.  I called when I came home to find it 
down.  Tech told me it had been down 3 days and I was only the 2nd one 
to notice.

With usenet dieing a slow death, it is damned hard for someone to make 
any money writing an app to access it.  And that's what Brian is 
fighting.  A losing battle, imo.  :(

-- 
Lloyd

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#53311

On 10.12.2013 17:19, A N Niel wrote:
> In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
> <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
>
>> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
>
> This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
> days.
>
and, regarding Thoth from before Unicode...
By the way, does Thoth not warn its useres that crossposting to three 
groups is an unwanted behavior and should be avoided?


-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#53317

In article <l8foja$rfv$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun
<lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 10.12.2013 17:19, A N Niel wrote:
> > In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
> > <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> >
> >> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
> >
> > This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
> > days.
> >
> and, regarding Thoth from before Unicode...
> By the way, does Thoth not warn its useres that crossposting to three 
> groups is an unwanted behavior and should be avoided?

Yes, but the number is probably more than three.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#53319

In article <131220131638328171%invid@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
<invid@loclanet.com> wrote:

> In article <l8foja$rfv$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun
> <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 10.12.2013 17:19, A N Niel wrote:
> > > In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
> > > <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
> > >
> > > This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
> > > days.
> > >
> > and, regarding Thoth from before Unicode...
> > By the way, does Thoth not warn its useres that crossposting to three 
> > groups is an unwanted behavior and should be avoided?
> 
> Yes, but the number is probably more than three.

I now know, after trying to reply to a message in another group, that 6
trigger the warning :)

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#53222

In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
<nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> I find it so odd that there were so few who bought Thoth after
> Mavericks killed MT-NW. I was so happy to find Thoth and jumped right
> on board. 

so few bother with usenet. 

> Brian has been exceptional in providing support and fixes. 
> 
> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

definitely not.

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#53225

In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>,
 M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> I find it so odd that there were so few who bought Thoth after
> Mavericks killed MT-NW.

I don't.  Usenet readership is nothing compared to social networks.

> I was so happy to find Thoth and jumped right
> on board. 

And I paid for Thoth long ago (2001).  After I sent in some feedback, 
Brian threw a fit and just issued me a refund with me even 
asking/wanting one.

> Brian has been exceptional in providing support and fixes. 

If he's not moody anymore, I don't see anything exceptional about his 
approach to software development.  Right now, it looks like he gave 
Thoth one last shot at being successful, but MT-NW dying isn't enough 
when the market isn't there for alternatives.

> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

Not ones that will pay for client software, anyway.  And it doesn't help 
that ISPs no longer consider it a core service (hell, my current ISP 
doesn't even offer an email account, never mind web or usenet servers).

-- 
iPhone apps that matter:    http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
    and probably your server, too.

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#53237

In article <droleary-950AE3.11553410122013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Doc O'Leary <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

> > I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
> 
> Not ones that will pay for client software, anyway.  And it doesn't help 
> that ISPs no longer consider it a core service 

I think it is related to the major ISP's eliminating the alt.binaries.*
groups.

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#53239

In message <101220132159152412%nospam.m-m@ny.more> 
  M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> In article <droleary-950AE3.11553410122013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Doc O'Leary <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

>> > I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
>> 
>> Not ones that will pay for client software, anyway.  And it doesn't help 
>> that ISPs no longer consider it a core service 

> I think it is related to the major ISP's eliminating the alt.binaries.*
> groups.

The major ISPs eliminated the * groups, not just the alt.* or
alt.binaries.* groups.

-- 
'Why are our people going out there?' said Mr Boggis of the Thieves'
Guild. 'Because they are showing a brisk pioneering spirit and seeking
wealth and... additional wealth in a new land,' said Lord Vetinari.
'What's in it for the Klatchians?' said Lord Downey.  'Oh, they've gone
out there because they are a bunch of unprincipled opportunists always
ready to grab something for nothing,' said Lord Vetinari. [...] The
Patrician looked down again at his notes. 'Oh, I do beg your pardon,' he
said. 'I seem to have read those last two sentences in the wrong order.

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#53227

On 2013-12-10 08:00:54 +0000, M-M said:

> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

It's an every diminishing pool.

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#53357

In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>,
 M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> I find it so odd that there were so few who bought Thoth after
> Mavericks killed MT-NW.

Some of us can't run Mavericks.

> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

Even when ISPs provided it, users were only 10%. Now that ISPs don't do 
Usenet any more, there's you, me & a few others. :/
-- 
Malcolm
MT-NW user
-- 
Malcolm

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#53172

In article <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> 
> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> 
> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> 
> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> providing French localization for Thoth."
> 
> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

When I kept having to bug him to get updates, I asked why he couldn't 
add me to his mailing list. Apparently the software he uses doesn't 
support adding without invitation. Since he didn't differentiate between 
marketing and updates, I didn't subscribe and had to bug him.  I got 
tired of it and asked for a refund rather than having to deal with him.  
He seems to think he's offering "excellent customer service" but I think 
he's just off his meds.

Again, he's making writing software and supporting it personal.  And now 
he's taking his ball and going home.  Sooner or later, he'll have people 
just ignoring him for doing this sort of thing once to often.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#53177

In article (Dans l'article)
<vilain-9F02F8.09082309122013@news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain
<vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote (écrivait) :

> When I kept having to bug him to get updates, I asked why he couldn't 
> add me to his mailing list. Apparently the software he uses doesn't 
> support adding without invitation. Since he didn't differentiate between 
> marketing and updates, I didn't subscribe and had to bug him. 


That's weird.

I'm on his list to receive the "Thoth Announcements" of new versions
and updates, and was always well informed (I think).

-- 
Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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#53480

On 2013-12-09, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>
> When I kept having to bug him to get updates, I asked why he couldn't 
> add me to his mailing list. Apparently the software he uses doesn't 
> support adding without invitation. Since he didn't differentiate between 
> marketing and updates, I didn't subscribe and had to bug him.  I got 
> tired of it and asked for a refund rather than having to deal with him.  
> He seems to think he's offering "excellent customer service" but I think 
> he's just off his meds.
>
> Again, he's making writing software and supporting it personal.  And now 
> he's taking his ball and going home.  Sooner or later, he'll have people 
> just ignoring him for doing this sort of thing once to often.

Sooner or later? Brian's asshat behavior got old for me long ago, and
I'm not even one of his customers. We can ignore the question of whether
he hijacked NewsWatcher source code to build Thoth. He's pulled this
kind of cry baby "software isn't paying for itself" shit before in the
past. I don't see the behavior changing. So I say fuck Thoth. Good
riddance.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#53483

In article <bhg8cmF6uafU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-09, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> >
> > When I kept having to bug him to get updates, I asked why he couldn't 
> > add me to his mailing list. Apparently the software he uses doesn't 
> > support adding without invitation. Since he didn't differentiate between 
> > marketing and updates, I didn't subscribe and had to bug him.  I got 
> > tired of it and asked for a refund rather than having to deal with him.  
> > He seems to think he's offering "excellent customer service" but I think 
> > he's just off his meds.
> >
> > Again, he's making writing software and supporting it personal.  And now 
> > he's taking his ball and going home.  Sooner or later, he'll have people 
> > just ignoring him for doing this sort of thing once to often.
> 
> Sooner or later? Brian's asshat behavior got old for me long ago, and
> I'm not even one of his customers. We can ignore the question of whether
> he hijacked NewsWatcher source code to build Thoth. He's pulled this
> kind of cry baby "software isn't paying for itself" shit before in the
> past. I don't see the behavior changing. So I say fuck Thoth. Good
> riddance.

How old is this guy now?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#53487

On 2013-12-19, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <bhg8cmF6uafU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-12-09, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > When I kept having to bug him to get updates, I asked why he couldn't 
>> > add me to his mailing list. Apparently the software he uses doesn't 
>> > support adding without invitation. Since he didn't differentiate between 
>> > marketing and updates, I didn't subscribe and had to bug him.  I got 
>> > tired of it and asked for a refund rather than having to deal with him.  
>> > He seems to think he's offering "excellent customer service" but I think 
>> > he's just off his meds.
>> >
>> > Again, he's making writing software and supporting it personal.  And now 
>> > he's taking his ball and going home.  Sooner or later, he'll have people 
>> > just ignoring him for doing this sort of thing once to often.
>> 
>> Sooner or later? Brian's asshat behavior got old for me long ago, and
>> I'm not even one of his customers. We can ignore the question of whether
>> he hijacked NewsWatcher source code to build Thoth. He's pulled this
>> kind of cry baby "software isn't paying for itself" shit before in the
>> past. I don't see the behavior changing. So I say fuck Thoth. Good
>> riddance.
>
> How old is this guy now?

No idea. But when software development is more about making money than
having fun, it's time to stop writing software, IMO. Dude should find
another hobby.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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