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  Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 08:28 -0700
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-11 14:34 -0400
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 17:08 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 15:20 -0700
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 20:04 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 17:26 -0700
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 07:14 +0000
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-04-11 15:24 -0700
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-11 20:53 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2012-04-11 22:43 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-11 23:17 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 23:24 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:22 -0400
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 17:28 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-13 07:43 +1000
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:27 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-13 10:20 +1000
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:23 -0400
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-12 21:25 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-13 04:30 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-14 00:05 +0000
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? News <News@Group.Posts> - 2012-04-14 10:08 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-15 19:43 +0000
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-12 17:30 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:24 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wayne Marsh <waynegmarsh@mac.com> - 2012-04-22 13:17 -0500
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-23 10:16 +0800
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-22 22:52 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:25 -0500
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 07:29 -0700
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 00:19 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-23 09:08 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:30 -0500
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:28 -0500
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 18:36 +1200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-23 07:57 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 09:13 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-24 10:26 +0800
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:03 -0700
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 21:25 -0600
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 16:21 +1200
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:19 +1200
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:25 -0400
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 14:07 +0200
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 19:02 -0400
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-27 06:44 +0000
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-27 14:15 +0200
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:55 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:44 +0200
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-27 08:56 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:58 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-05-08 03:27 +0000
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-27 16:44 -0400
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:52 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:51 +0200
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-29 10:02 +1200
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 18:24 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 07:35 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 10:55 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 13:28 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 17:49 +0000
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 14:22 -0400
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 18:29 +0000
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 18:44 +0000
                                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 14:46 -0400
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 22:37 +0200
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-29 10:04 +1200
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-28 15:35 -0700
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-23 22:12 -0500
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 23:42 -0400
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:29 -0400
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-24 18:30 -0400
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-25 17:33 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 07:28 -0700
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 09:17 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 14:37 -0700
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 13:33 +1200
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 23:28 -0400
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:37 -0700
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:21 +1200
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-24 00:07 -0700
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 10:53 +0200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-23 16:30 +0000
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-23 13:09 -0400
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 11:03 -0700
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-23 21:06 +0000
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 20:28 -0600
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 16:16 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:27 +1200
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-24 02:35 -0400
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 19:21 +1200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 10:37 +0200
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-12 08:30 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:33 -0400
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2012-04-12 23:02 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-13 18:19 +1200
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-13 15:41 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-04-12 14:17 -0500
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-12 15:59 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:25 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-04-14 01:18 -0500
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-14 00:14 +0000
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-14 11:38 +0800
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-14 16:13 +0000
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-16 15:32 +0800
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-13 19:00 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? News <News@Group.Posts> - 2012-04-14 10:09 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-12 00:13 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:20 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 07:19 +0000
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 06:12 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 11:04 +0000
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 09:19 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-15 18:31 +0200
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-15 17:24 +0000

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#23636 — Has your credit card number been compromised?

I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration date, 
and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has been 
compromised.

-- Michelle

P. S.  Just so you know that I'm not spamming/scamming you and that my 
account has not been hacked, the above is a JOKE.  Please do not send me 
your credit-card information.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#23646

In article <michelle-194483.08280411042012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration date, 
> and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has been 
> compromised.

HaHa, HoHo, & HeeHee

Come on, Michelle, if you're gunna offer a free service, you should at 
least offer a money back guarantee! After all, if someone sends you the 
info you requested, you certainly could offer complete assurance that 
their credit card *would* be compromised!  :-D

> P. S.  Just so you know that I'm not spamming/scamming you and that my 
> account has not been hacked, the above is a JOKE.  Please do not send me 
> your credit-card information.

-- 
The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is 
working.

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#23651

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration date, 
> and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has been 
> compromised.


your offer is not competitive.  Your competitors promise millions in
available funds from a diseased millionaire/dictator, or tell me that I
have won the lottery and need to give them my information so they can
wire the funds.

You offered nothing in return.

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#23657

In article <4f85f2d6$0$24355$c3e8da3$a8a65a91@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration 
> > date, and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has 
> > been compromised.
> 
> your offer is not competitive.  Your competitors promise millions in 
> available funds from a diseased millionaire/dictator, or tell me that I 
> have won the lottery and need to give them my information so they can 
> wire the funds.

They're my competitors only in the sense that General Motors is a 
competitor to Apple.

> You offered nothing in return.

You think the knowledge of whether your credit card number has been 
compromised is "nothing"?????

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#23668

Michelle Steiner wrote:

> You think the knowledge of whether your credit card number has been 
> compromised is "nothing"?????

I don't need you to tell me that my credit card is compromised if I was
stupid enough to send it to you for no reason.

You need to work on your marketing skills to concuct a scheme that will
at least let people dream about having won lots of money before the rude
awakening that they gave you their credit card number for you to spend
their money buying yourself lots of shiny new iToys.

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#23670

In article <4f861c1a$0$26277$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > You think the knowledge of whether your credit card number has been 
> > compromised is "nothing"?????
> 
> I don't need you to tell me that my credit card is compromised if I was 
> stupid enough to send it to you for no reason.
> 
> You need to work on your marketing skills to concuct a scheme that will 
> at least let people dream about having won lots of money before the rude 
> awakening that they gave you their credit card number for you to spend 
> their money buying yourself lots of shiny new iToys.

whoa there, pardner; I wouldn't do that.  You must have me confused with 
Hapless Fairy.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#23704

Michelle Steiner wrote:

> You think the knowledge of whether your credit card number has been 
> compromised is "nothing"?????
>

That's not the point. Once they send you that data, their credit card
number HAS BEEN COMPROMIZED. Not only would they be trusting you, but
they are trusting every person who has access to every server and
network the email passes through.

So not only are you offering to tell them that their credit card numbers
have been compromised, you can do it with near 100% certainty. :-)

Geoff.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
In 1969 the US could put a man on the moon, now teenagers just howl at it. :-(

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#23662

On 4/11/12   PDT 2:08 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration date,
>> and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has been
>> compromised.
>
>
> your offer is not competitive.  Your competitors promise millions in
> available funds from a diseased millionaire/dictator, or tell me that I
> have won the lottery and need to give them my information so they can
> wire the funds.
>
> You offered nothing in return.

Honesty! It's such a lonely word.....

Michelle offered that and full disclosure.

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#23671

Michelle Steiner:

> I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration date, 
> and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has been 
> compromised.

That's an incredibly kind offer, and I would surely take you up on it,
but my bank/debit card company itself notifies me every few weeks that
my card has been compromised and sends me a new card.

It's been 10 years or more since the first time my credit card was
hijacked; I don't know how it happened. I discovered it by looking at
my account on-line and seeing a $17 purchase in the Netherlands and a
$7 purchase in the Ukraine.

$17!? $7!? Sheesh! If I were stealing credit cards I would be buying
cars and yachts and the like, not Starsucks coffee! By the way, my cars
range from six to 20-years old and I own no watercraft of any kind.
 
> -- Michelle
> 
> P. S.  Just so you know that I'm not spamming/scamming you and that my 
> account has not been hacked, the above is a JOKE.  Please do not send me 
> your credit-card information.

Ah, so. Thanks for that tip.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#23675

In article <110420122053049640%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> Michelle Steiner:
> 
> > I can find out for you.  Send me your credit card number, expiration date, 
> > and security code, and I'll let you know whether your card has been 
> > compromised.
> 
> That's an incredibly kind offer, and I would surely take you up on it,
> but my bank/debit card company itself notifies me every few weeks that
> my card has been compromised and sends me a new card.
> 
> It's been 10 years or more since the first time my credit card was
> hijacked; I don't know how it happened. I discovered it by looking at
> my account on-line and seeing a $17 purchase in the Netherlands and a
> $7 purchase in the Ukraine.
> 
> $17!? $7!? Sheesh! If I were stealing credit cards I would be buying
> cars and yachts and the like, not Starsucks coffee! By the way, my cars
> range from six to 20-years old and I own no watercraft of any kind.

The reason they do small amounts is that many people wouldn't notice 
those small purchases and you buy small items using numbers of different 
stolen numbers and return the items for refunds. 
-- 
Remove blown from email address to reply.

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#23677

Davoud:
> > $17!? $7!? Sheesh! If I were stealing credit cards I would be buying
> > cars and yachts and the like, not Starsucks coffee! By the way, my cars
> > range from six to 20-years old and I own no watercraft of any kind.

Thomas R. Kettler:
> The reason they do small amounts is that many people wouldn't notice 
> those small purchases and you buy small items using numbers of different 
> stolen numbers and return the items for refunds.

Not sure how that works. One doesn't get a cash refund in such a case,
but a credit to the card. And the thief generally doesn't have time to
take advantage of it because the useful life of a stolen credit card is
usually measured in minutes or hours--especially now, when there is no
way that my bank is going to authorize a transaction in Eastern Europe
out of the blue without contacting me first. I know this because I get
e-mails and phone calls from my bank from time to time questioning
out-of-pattern purchases that I have made.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#23678

Credit card thiefs try small amounts to prove the card is still valid.
This increases the value of the card when they sell the card to other
thieves.

They used to do that on payphones to validate the card. Credit card
companies got wise.

Credit card thieves are rately the ones who use the card to make the big
purchases.

Once they have validated the card and sold it, they may wait a few
months before a big purchase has been made.

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#23731

On 2012-04-11 23:24 , JF Mezei wrote:

> Once they have validated the card and sold it, they may wait a few
> months before a big purchase has been made.

Why do that?  By that time it will be reported as lost and the number 
cancelled.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#23740

In article <6_6dnR8GMprXgBrSnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> > Once they have validated the card and sold it, they may wait a few
> > months before a big purchase has been made.
> 
> Why do that?  By that time it will be reported as lost and the number 
> cancelled.

if you lose the card sure but the number can be compromised without you
knowing it and you won't have any way to know that until a bogus charge
appears on your bill.

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#23744

In article <120420121728156258%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> if you lose the card sure but the number can be compromised without you
> knowing it and you won't have any way to know that until a bogus charge
> appears on your bill.

What is needed is a card that is wifi connected and starts to smoke if 
the account is used by anyone else.

-- 
dorayme

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#23748

On 2012-04-12 17:43 , dorayme wrote:
> In article<120420121728156258%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>   nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>
>> if you lose the card sure but the number can be compromised without you
>> knowing it and you won't have any way to know that until a bogus charge
>> appears on your bill.
>
> What is needed is a card that is wifi connected and starts to smoke if
> the account is used by anyone else.

I bet cards disappear in about 10 years and biometrics take over.  Just 
needs to be done in a way where people's fingers and eyes aren't cut off 
by the thieves.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#23750

In article <ts6dna2M7o1M-RrSnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-12 17:43 , dorayme wrote:
> > In article<120420121728156258%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> >   nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
> >
> >> if you lose the card sure but the number can be compromised without you
> >> knowing it and you won't have any way to know that until a bogus charge
> >> appears on your bill.
> >
> > What is needed is a card that is wifi connected and starts to smoke if
> > the account is used by anyone else.
> 
> I bet cards disappear in about 10 years and biometrics take over.  Just 
> needs to be done in a way where people's fingers and eyes aren't cut off 
> by the thieves.

I am developing a "WPC", a whole person card, whereby the person him 
or herself *is* the card. The advantage is that you don't get cut up, 
the thieves have to look after you good. If you want to invest in my 
research, Alan, any contribution will be welcome, a small US$ amount, 
a head from a member of TBG on a platter, whatever you feel 
comfortable with I will accept.

-- 
dorayme

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#23745

On 2012-04-12 17:28 , nospam wrote:
> In article<6_6dnR8GMprXgBrSnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>  wrote:
>
>>> Once they have validated the card and sold it, they may wait a few
>>> months before a big purchase has been made.
>>
>> Why do that?  By that time it will be reported as lost and the number
>> cancelled.
>
> if you lose the card sure but the number can be compromised without you
> knowing it and you won't have any way to know that until a bogus charge
> appears on your bill.

Gotcha.  But as soon as I see a single charge that doesn't make sense I 
report it.  The CC co. can decide if it's suspicious.

When it happened to me it was within days (charge) of the trip.  The CC 
co. called about 2 weeks later.  I received the bill (with the charge) 
at the beginning of the next month.  Did the affidavit dance and cleared 
it up.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#23752

Alan Browne:
> Gotcha.  But as soon as I see a single charge that doesn't make sense I 
> report it.  The CC co. can decide if it's suspicious.

It doesn't work exactly that way. The card issuer relies on /you/ to
say whether the charge is genuine--after all, who else knows? They
can't go by location--I order stuff from (Western) Europe quite often.
If you tell the issuer that the charge is fraudulent they will cancel
the card and send you a new one. I've had new debit cards delivered
with from four hours to 48 hours.

It's easy to make a valid purchase and then have it appear under an
unexpected name. If I make an out-of-the-ordinary purchase on-line I
record the date, time, and amount. It would be embarrassing to deny a
legitimate charge through an error. Then, too, one sometimes receives
an e-mail from the vendor saying that your purchase from me, John Doe,
will show on your CC statement as Billy Bob (because Billy Bob, Inc.,
processes CC transactions for John Doe).

> When it happened to me it was within days (charge) of the trip.  The CC 
> co. called about 2 weeks later.  I received the bill (with the charge) 
> at the beginning of the next month.  Did the affidavit dance and cleared 
> it up.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#23760

In article <120420122125353135%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> Alan Browne:
> > Gotcha.  But as soon as I see a single charge that doesn't make sense I 
> > report it.  The CC co. can decide if it's suspicious.
> 
> It doesn't work exactly that way. The card issuer relies on /you/ to
> say whether the charge is genuine--after all, who else knows? They
> can't go by location--I order stuff from (Western) Europe quite often.
> If you tell the issuer that the charge is fraudulent they will cancel
> the card and send you a new one. I've had new debit cards delivered
> with from four hours to 48 hours.

 I've had my CC company put holds on the card twice for suspicious 
purchases that were fraudulent. The only two times this has happened to 
me, the CC caught and caught it quickly. Now, if I could just get them 
actually e-mail or text BEFORE dropping the hammer, it would be nice. 

>

-- 
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, 
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz 

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