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  Photos questions JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-10 16:54 -0400
    Re: Photos questions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-05-10 14:59 -0700
    Re: Photos questions dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-11 10:06 +1200
      Re: Photos questions JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-10 18:37 -0400
        Re: Photos questions dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-11 12:53 +1200
          Re: Photos questions JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-10 21:53 -0400
      Re: Photos questions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-10 22:51 +0000
        Re: Photos questions dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-11 12:53 +1200
          Re: Photos questions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-11 03:58 +0000
    Re: Photos questions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-10 22:49 +0000
    Re: Photos questions Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-05-11 12:09 +0100

#75295 — Photos questions

Played a bit with Photos yesterday. A few questions:

-Is it normal one cannot drag a photo to another app (Mail or Twitter)
or just me ?  Is there expectation that this feature will be brought
back, or has Apple decided that including photos in Mail, Twitter or any
other app would be done differently ? (as done in IOS).


-Is it normal that one cannot launch an external editor such as
Photoshop to edit photos ?  Again, is this because Photos is really a
beta or alpha release and this functionality is expected to be included
? Or has Apple decided that this feature is not necessary and has no
intention to bring this function into Photos ?

These two functions are what I use most, so lack of them is a show
stopper for me. Since I can continue to use iPhoto , this isn't a big
issue, but I am concerned with the future since it is pretty obvious
Apple will soon add code to prevent iPhoto from launching to force
people onto Photos. Could that come with 10.11 in the fall ? Or stil lat
least one more year before this could happen ?

If Photos cannot fulfill my needs, I guess I have to move eventually to
Bridge or Lightroom and consider how to convert my current iPhoto
library to Bridge/Lightroom. ( currently have both, but Bridge used for
less casual photography, while iPhoto is more for casual).

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#75298

In article <554fc57c$0$19597$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Played a bit with Photos yesterday. A few questions:
> 
> -Is it normal one cannot drag a photo to another app (Mail or Twitter)
> or just me ?

It must be you because I just dragged a photo from Photos to an open
compose window in mail.app.  You have to drag the thumbnail, not the
opened image, though.

> Is it normal that one cannot launch an external editor such as
> Photoshop to edit photos ? 

It appears that this functionality from iPhoto has not been included in
Photos.

> Again, is this because Photos is really a beta or alpha release and
> this functionality is expected to be included ? 

This functionality may be included in a future version of Photos, but
that doesn't mean that the current version is alpha or beta.

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#75300

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Played a bit with Photos yesterday. A few questions:
> 
> -Is it normal one cannot drag a photo to another app (Mail or Twitter)
> or just me ?  Is there expectation that this feature will be brought
> back, or has Apple decided that including photos in Mail, Twitter or any
> other app would be done differently ? (as done in IOS).

Dragging photos to another app works fine for me.

There are some places in Photos from which you can't drag a photo, e.g.
you can't drag a photo being edited, and you can't drag from the
thumbnails to the left of a photo being viewed/edited. It works fine
from the main Photos view (Years/Collections/Moments) or from Albums.

> -Is it normal that one cannot launch an external editor such as
> Photoshop to edit photos ?

That is a limitation of Photos. Whether it is a temporary one due to
missing features in early versions or a deliberate design choice is yet
to be determined.

> These two functions are what I use most, so lack of them is a show
> stopper for me. Since I can continue to use iPhoto , this isn't a big
> issue, but I am concerned with the future since it is pretty obvious
> Apple will soon add code to prevent iPhoto from launching to force
> people onto Photos. Could that come with 10.11 in the fall ? Or stil lat
> least one more year before this could happen ?

Since Photos is now part of OS X, it may get updated by 10.10.4 or
subsequent minor updates, or Apple might choose to release separate
updates for Photos at any time. There hasn't been an update yet, so we
don't know which model Apple will follow. I think it is likely that
major updates will be tied to major OS X versions.

If Apple is intending to add external editor support, it might be small
enough that they do it in an update before the release of the next
version of OS X.

If that feature is important to you, then send feedback to Apple about
it. If enough people do that, they may prioritise it higher.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#75301

On 15-05-10 18:06, David Empson wrote:

> Dragging photos to another app works fine for me.

I had tried with Twitter and it doesn't work. I now tried with Mail and
it does work. iPhoto worked with both.

I had not used Mail since december on tha laptop. Is it normal that
10.10.3 required an update of the local mail database ? I am curious
because I am pretty sure I would have used Mail.App since the upgrade to
Yosemite on my laptop. (or maybe only Thunderbird).

> That is a limitation of Photos. Whether it is a temporary one due to
> missing features in early versions or a deliberate design choice is yet
> to be determined.

Would it be to conclude that lack of externmal editor support would
become a "design choice" by Apple if it hasn't been added by the time
10.11 comes out in the fall ? (or NZ spring :-)


> If Apple is intending to add external editor support, it might be small
> enough that they do it in an update before the release of the next
> version of OS X.

It isn't that small a change since it requires an update to the
preferences plist and dialogues.  Which is why I am puzzled on why this
wasn't built-in from the start.

Is it possible that Photos has shared codebase with IOS so they started
with the same functionality between both ?

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#75310

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-05-10 18:06, David Empson wrote:
> 
> > Dragging photos to another app works fine for me.
> 
> I had tried with Twitter and it doesn't work. I now tried with Mail and
> it does work. iPhoto worked with both.

The Twitter app not working might be a compatibility issue with the
drag-and-drop metadata used by Photos, which could differ from iPhoto.
Mail was updated at the same time as Photos, so it would support the new
metadata.

In any case, why bother using an external Twitter client, when there is
a built-in Sharing feature in Photos to send a photo to Twitter?

> I had not used Mail since december on tha laptop. Is it normal that
> 10.10.3 required an update of the local mail database ?

Some minor versions of OS X do an update of the mail database. I
remember seeing one recently, probably in 10.10.2 or 10.10.3.

> I am curious because I am pretty sure I would have used Mail.App since the
> upgrade to Yosemite on my laptop. (or maybe only Thunderbird).
> 
> > That is a limitation of Photos. Whether it is a temporary one due to
> > missing features in early versions or a deliberate design choice is yet
> > to be determined.
> 
> Would it be to conclude that lack of externmal editor support would
> become a "design choice" by Apple if it hasn't been added by the time
> 10.11 comes out in the fall ? (or NZ spring :-)

Not necessarily. It might just be delayed further.

The redeveloped iWork applications had a major "regained features" burst
in their first six months, and there were a few more a year after they
were introduced, when they were updated for Yosemite. (Still not enough
for me to seriously consider using them instead of iWork '09. The way
things are going, I'll probably dump iWork completely if the old version
stops working in a future OS X version.)

I don't use Final Cut Pro, but my impression is that it took quite a
while for version 10 to get some major features that were in FCP 7 and
earlier.

> > If Apple is intending to add external editor support, it might be small
> > enough that they do it in an update before the release of the next
> > version of OS X.
> 
> It isn't that small a change since it requires an update to the
> preferences plist and dialogues.  Which is why I am puzzled on why this
> wasn't built-in from the start.

Updates to areas like that in the user interface are minor. A more
important issue is the implications for the library structure and
handling of the file going out and coming back, and how that fits with
the way Photos manages its original and modified photos and any edit
information it stores.

> Is it possible that Photos has shared codebase with IOS so they started
> with the same functionality between both ?

Probably some bits of code are shared, but Photos on OS X has a lot more
features than Photos on iOS, so that isn't relevant.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#75313

On 15-05-10 20:53, David Empson wrote:

> The Twitter app not working might be a compatibility issue with the
> drag-and-drop metadata used by Photos, which could differ from iPhoto.

Could it be that "drag and drop" written with the new "Swift" is not
compatible with older apps written in Apple's previous programming
language Objective C ?



> In any case, why bother using an external Twitter client, when there is
> a built-in Sharing feature in Photos to send a photo to Twitter?

When you enable apps to access your twitter account, it is a major
security flaw that gets opened due to Twitter. Not that I don't trust
Apple, but I don't agree with the principle of giving unrelated apps
full access to my twitter account.

And Sharing from an app may be OK to start a new tweet, but not when
replying to someone.


> Updates to areas like that in the user interface are minor. A more
> important issue is the implications for the library structure and
> handling of the file going out and coming back, and how that fits with
> the way Photos manages its original and modified photos and any edit
> information it stores.

Which is why I suspect Apple knows full well whether they intend to
support external editors since they did with iPhoto and would know
exactly what is needed when achitecting the photo storage and how to
handle modified images.

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#75303

In message <1m4945v.16rmgagwzbbcpN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> That is a limitation of Photos. Whether it is a temporary one due to
> missing features in early versions or a deliberate design choice is yet
> to be determined.

Apple has stated that Photos will support plugins, like Photos on iOS
does.


-- 
"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain't that a big
enough majority in any town?" - Huckleberry Finn

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#75311

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1m4945v.16rmgagwzbbcpN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
>   David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > That is a limitation of Photos. Whether it is a temporary one due to
> > missing features in early versions or a deliberate design choice is yet
> > to be determined.
> 
> Apple has stated that Photos will support plugins, like Photos on iOS
> does.

True.

The question is when that will appear. If it only comes in OS X 10.11
then it will inconvenience people who are reluctant to upgrade their OS
and who want that feature.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#75315

In message <1m49cyx.zlmj8ldk7bszN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <1m4945v.16rmgagwzbbcpN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
>>   David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> > That is a limitation of Photos. Whether it is a temporary one due to
>> > missing features in early versions or a deliberate design choice is yet
>> > to be determined.
>> 
>> Apple has stated that Photos will support plugins, like Photos on iOS
>> does.

> True.

> The question is when that will appear. If it only comes in OS X 10.11
> then it will inconvenience people who are reluctant to upgrade their OS
> and who want that feature.

Apple has made it pretty clear they are no longer going to take into
account people who refuse to keep their systems updated.

-- 
'You've got the loudest silences I ever did hear from anyone who wasn't
dead!' --Lords and Ladies

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#75302

In message <554fc57c$0$19597$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Played a bit with Photos yesterday. A few questions:

> -Is it normal one cannot drag a photo to another app (Mail or Twitter)
> or just me ?

I'm no longer answering any of your questions until you learn to write
properly.

-- 
Some books are undeservedly forgotten; none are undeservedly remembered

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#75318

On 10/05/2015 21:54, JF Mezei wrote:
> Again, is this because Photos is really a
> beta or alpha release and this functionality is expected to be included
> ? Or has Apple decided that this feature is not necessary and has no
> intention to bring this function into Photos ?

It's because that's how Apple likes to handle redesigned applications 
these days. Kill the old one, release a new one with fewer features, and 
add them back over time. Cf. Final Cut Pro X, iWork 5.

-- 
Xbox: GallusNumpty  Steam: scottishwildcat

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