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  Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 07:19 -0700
    Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-09 15:46 +0000
      Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 09:49 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 14:46 -0500
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:52 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 21:09 +0100
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 14:16 -0600
                Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-10 01:53 +0100
                  Re: Last Thoth? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-12-09 19:37 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-10 04:39 +0000
                  Re: Last Thoth? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-12-22 15:19 -0600
            Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
              Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-10 01:57 +0100
          Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:24 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:36 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 16:40 -0500
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:50 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:00 -0800
            Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 19:01 -0700
    Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-09 16:49 +0100
    Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 07:50 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:00 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? A N Niel <anniel@nym.alias.net.invalid> - 2013-12-10 09:19 -0700
          Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-10 12:40 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-13 20:53 +0100
            Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-13 16:38 -0500
              Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-13 17:29 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-10 12:22 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? Doc O'Leary <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-12-10 11:55 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 21:59 -0500
            Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-11 05:12 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:02 -0800
        Re: Last Thoth? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2013-12-14 16:25 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 09:08 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:58 +0100
      Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 12:50 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 08:44 -0500
          Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 14:06 +0000
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 17:31 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 01:48 +0000
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:12 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:35 +0000
                    Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:40 -0600
                      Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:53 +0000
                        Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:58 -0600
                          Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-19 19:27 -0800
                            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 21:49 -0600
                              Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:49 -0800
                        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:48 -0800
                          Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 07:56 -0600
                            Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-20 07:26 -0800
                      Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-20 15:24 -0500
                        Re: Last Thoth? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 06:43 -0800
                          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 10:48 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-21 10:44 -0600
                              Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 12:34 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-21 19:33 +0000
                          Re: Last Thoth? Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2013-12-21 22:25 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 20:24 +0100
                  Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 11:34 -0500
                    Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 11:01 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-19 15:00 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-19 10:30 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 10:32 -0800
    Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 18:53 +0100
      Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:50 +0100
        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:04 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:03 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 18:36 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 20:13 -0700
        Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 19:22 -0800

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#53161 — Last Thoth?

In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
"Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."

The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.

Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:

"Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
providing French localization for Thoth."

Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

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#53163

In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."

> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.

> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:

> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> providing French localization for Thoth."

> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

Again?

-- 
'The trouble with my friend here is that he doesn't know the difference
between a postulate and a metaphor of human existence. Or a hole in the
ground.' --Pyramids

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#53165

In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> 
>   Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
> > "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> 
> > The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> 
> > Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> 
> > "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> > offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> > and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> > to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> > Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> > providing French localization for Thoth."
> 
> > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
> 
> Again?

Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
as of yet.

-- 
Lloyd

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#53178

On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said:

> In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
>>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
>> 
>>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
>> 
>>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
>> 
>>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
>>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
>>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
>>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
>>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
>>> providing French localization for Thoth."
>> 
>>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
>> 
>> Again?
> 
> Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
> as of yet.

I got a reply from Brian.  I won't post the email he sent as he didn't 
indicate it was for publication.

It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
and hosting fees.

I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with 
issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to 
what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will 
happen with no further support.

It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I 
wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.

I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(

-- 
Lloyd

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#53179

In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
> and hosting fees.
> 
> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with 
> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to 
> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will 
> happen with no further support.
> 
> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I 
> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
> 
> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(

if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
the problem is nobody knows about it. 

the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.

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#53180

On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>> and hosting fees.
>> 
>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>> happen with no further support.
>> 
>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>> 
>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
> the problem is nobody knows about it.
> 
> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.

I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way.  But if he's 
avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it.

And I don't agree about Unison.  It ain't great, but it gets the job done.

-- 
Lloyd

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#53181

In article <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:
> 
> > In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
> >> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
> >> and hosting fees.
> >> 
> >> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
> >> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
> >> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
> >> happen with no further support.
> >> 
> >> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
> >> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
> >> 
> >> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
> >> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> > 
> > if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
> > the problem is nobody knows about it.
> > 
> > the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.
> 
> I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way.  But if he's 
> avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it.

Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly
the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple. 
He is an old fashioned programmer :-)

> And I don't agree about Unison.  It ain't great, but it gets the job done.

I worked for a while with Unison. It works fine. But Thoth is better
for my purpose. And I am used to that old Newswatcher style. I like
it.... I am an old fashioned user :-)

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#53183

On 2013-12-09 20:09:01 +0000, Guenther Fischer said:

> In article <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:
>> 
>>> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
>>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>>>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>>>> and hosting fees.
>>>> 
>>>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>>>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>>>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>>>> happen with no further support.
>>>> 
>>>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>>>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>>>> 
>>>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>>>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
>>> 
>>> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
>>> the problem is nobody knows about it.
>>> 
>>> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.
>> 
>> I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way.  But if he's
>> avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it.
> 
> Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly
> the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple.
> He is an old fashioned programmer :-)
> 
>> And I don't agree about Unison.  It ain't great, but it gets the job done.
> 
> I worked for a while with Unison. It works fine. But Thoth is better
> for my purpose. And I am used to that old Newswatcher style. I like
> it.... I am an old fashioned user :-)

I've been using Unison though I bought and paid for both it and Thoth.  
I'm strictly a text-only usenet user so either work just fine.

-- 
Lloyd

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#53193

On 09.12.2013 21:09, Guenther Fischer wrote:
> Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly
> the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple.
Probably a complete redesign to make it finally unicode compliant.
Since it is basically a rip-off of MTNW, that would probably exceed his 
skills.
> He is an old fashioned programmer:-)
We know.

-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#53195

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 in article <l85ols$gmv$1@tota-refugium.de>, 
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 December 2013 01:53 +0100, 
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 09.12.2013 21:09, Guenther Fischer wrote:

>> Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. 
>> Mainly the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple.

> Probably a complete redesign to make it finally unicode compliant. 
> Since it is basically a rip-off of MTNW, that would probably exceed 
> his skills.

That's inaccurate.  Thoth is the direct descendant of YA-NewsWatcher.  
I'd been using it for years, before I'd seen MT-NewsWatcher.  IIRC, 
Yet Another NewsWatcher was Brian's, as is Thoth.

Today, I looked up John Norstad's NewsWatcher source code, from which 
YA-NewsWatcher, MT-NewsWatcher and Thoth were all developed.  
NewsWatcher was originally developed to run under Mac OS 7.0.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#53205

In message <l85ols$gmv$1@tota-refugium.de> 
  Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 09.12.2013 21:09, Guenther Fischer wrote:
>> Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly
>> the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple.
> Probably a complete redesign to make it finally unicode compliant.
> Since it is basically a rip-off of MTNW, that would probably exceed his 
> skills.

What skills?


-- 
All Hell hadn't been let loose. It was merely Detritus. But from a few
feet away you couldn't tell the difference.

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#53659

In article <l85ols$gmv$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 09.12.2013 21:09, Guenther Fischer wrote:
> > Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. 
> > Mainly the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple.
>
> Probably a complete redesign to make it finally unicode compliant. 
> Since it is basically a rip-off of MTNW, that would probably exceed 
> his skills.

Thoth is not a ripoff of MT-NW AFAIK.  It is a fairly blatant ripoff of 
John Norstad's NewsWatcher, upon which MT-NW is also based (with 
appropriate attribution of this being given, unlike Thoth).  

Brian's previous effort was YA-NW, also based on NewsWatcher with 
appropriate attribution.  I liked YA-NW, which added a number of nice 
features to NewsWatcher, but Brian killed that and re-released it in a 
thinly disguised wrapper as Thoth.  While he has claimed that Thoth is 
not based on NewsWatcher, it is obvious that it is in terms of 
functionality (I have never seen the code; I suppose it is possible that 
Brian wrote completely new code from the ground up and just made the app 
look like NW...).

-- 
And wackiness ensues...

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#53187

On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>> and hosting fees.
>> 
>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>> happen with no further support.
>> 
>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>> 
>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
> the problem is nobody knows about it.
> 
> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.

I like it and use it as my primary newsreader. But Thoth is vastly more 
capable.

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#53194

On 09.12.2013 22:25, gtr wrote:
> I like it and use it as my primary newsreader. But Thoth is vastly more
> capable.
...capable of jeopardizing more unicode you mean?


-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#53185

On 2013-12-09 19:40:36 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
> and hosting fees.

That may be so.  But here's my projection of what will happen.  The 
next time an OS produces misery for Thoth, Brian will be *unable* to 
avoid looking into it and seeing it it can be readily corrected.  And 
if it's small, he'll fix it.

And if it's large he'll be intrigued and just put in a little time on 
it, then get challenged by it, and wind up fixing it too.

Just my guess.

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#53186

In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>,
 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said:
> 
> > In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> >> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>
> >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
> >>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> >> 
> >>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> >> 
> >>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> >> 
> >>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> >>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> >>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> >>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> >>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> >>> providing French localization for Thoth."
> >> 
> >>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
> >> 
> >> Again?
> > 
> > Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
> > as of yet.
> 
> I got a reply from Brian.  I won't post the email he sent as he didn't 
> indicate it was for publication.
> 
> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
> and hosting fees.
> 
> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with 
> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to 
> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will 
> happen with no further support.
> 
> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I 
> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
> 
> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(

As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many 
great products just died because people didn't know about them?  Claris 
made all these great products that were perfect in their price points 
only to have the company vanish and the products killed off.  Except for 
Filemaker, which actually became something.

It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just 
economics.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#53188

On 2013-12-09 21:25:08 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said:
>> 
>>> In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>
>>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
>>>>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
>>>> 
>>>>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
>>>> 
>>>>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
>>>> 
>>>>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
>>>>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
>>>>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
>>>>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
>>>>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
>>>>> providing French localization for Thoth."
>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
>>>> 
>>>> Again?
>>> 
>>> Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
>>> as of yet.
>> 
>> I got a reply from Brian.  I won't post the email he sent as he didn't
>> indicate it was for publication.
>> 
>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>> and hosting fees.
>> 
>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>> happen with no further support.
>> 
>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>> 
>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many
> great products just died because people didn't know about them?  Claris
> made all these great products that were perfect in their price points
> only to have the company vanish and the products killed off.  Except for
> Filemaker, which actually became something.
> 
> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
> economics.

??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.

-- 
Lloyd

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#53189

In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> > It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
> > economics.
> 
> ??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.

if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.

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#53190

On 2013-12-09 21:40:41 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>>> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
>>> economics.
>> 
>> ??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.
> 
> if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.

Bullshit.

-- 
Lloyd

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#53226

On 2013-12-09 21:50:55 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> On 2013-12-09 21:40:41 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
>>>> economics.
>>> 
>>> ??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.
>> 
>> if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.
> 
> Bullshit.

I think he just meant to say "I don't like Unison".  That's fair.  I 
don't like chocolate.

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