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| Started by | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| First post | 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500 |
| Last post | 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 156 — 32 participants |
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Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-27 08:08 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-27 10:10 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-27 14:16 +1300
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-26 23:09 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 11:00 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 19:49 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 12:30 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 17:41 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-28 21:52 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 18:03 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 16:00 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:03 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 23:39 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Zaidy036 <Zaidy036NoSpam@optonline.com> - 2013-10-31 07:36 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 10:30 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 12:21 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 10:20 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-28 18:15 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 12:31 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 18:38 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 18:22 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 15:57 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 20:56 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:57 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 00:47 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 02:02 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 21:38 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 00:50 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 22:21 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:05 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "857" <8571953@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 06:59 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:13 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-29 12:59 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:07 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 11:00 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-05 09:13 +1300
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 11:19 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:02 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 09:41 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:33 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:58 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:30 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:23 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:13 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:24 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 16:32 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 11:22 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 02:41 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:51 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:42 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:55 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:43 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 21:00 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-31 10:01 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-31 07:39 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:48 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:21 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-08 10:48 -0500
Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-08 21:34 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:17 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:24 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:38 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:53 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 08:34 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:53 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 05:21 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 05:25 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-06 12:41 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:53 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:02 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-05 14:08 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-10-27 19:34 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120132236164803%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #52093 |
Michelle Steiner: > If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed > from the ACBL. Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow! -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <091120132126593450%foo@bar.com> |
| In reply to | #52095 |
In article <091120132236164803%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > > If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed > > from the ACBL. > > Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow! Kicked out for betting, period.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl81aid.1kjh.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #52097 |
In message <091120132126593450%foo@bar.com> Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote: > In article <091120132236164803%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> > wrote: >> > If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed >> > from the ACBL. >> >> Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow! > Kicked out for betting, period. Justly. -- I know you won't believe it's true I only went with her cuz she looked like you
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| From | "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l5o6da$itr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52095 |
On 11/9/13, 10:36 PM, Davoud wrote: > Michelle Steiner: >> If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed >> from the ACBL. > > Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow! > I've heard that argument but if you coach every game you bet on like it's the seventh game of the world series you're not doing your team, or baseball any favors. In a long season sometimes you have to make a decision that might not be the best one for an individual game but do your team a lot more good in the long haul.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdftf1Fn2k2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51438 |
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote >>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>> Now is the time for you to go into shrieking bull dyke mode... >>> And that is precisely what he did, right on cue. >> There's a three-alarm response to extinguish the flames on your pants, >> you homophobic mother-fucking liar. Crawl back under your rock. > You gotta know that "Rod Speed" is the troll > incarnation of your old friend Zara, et al, don't you? Fraid not. > Look at the cross-posts. Those were there in the thread before I even commented.
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4r9bq$rl2$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #51205 |
Am 29.10.2013 17:41, schrieb Michelle Steiner: > In article <l4onpk$1cl$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> > wrote: > >>> No, they didn't. Any reports you may have read saying that they did >>> are distortions at best and fabrications at worst. >> >> Ok, if you feel that the video at >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Kc5Xvr24Aw> is >> a fabrication, be my guest. > > At what point in that 32-minute video does he say that the NSA aims > only at terrorists? I do not have the time nor the patience to sit > through the whole thing. It is really not that easy to follow him through the video, but e.g. around 16:00 (or a few seconds earlier) he clearly states that at least two of the currently heavily criticized programs aim only at terrorists. Put that together with the fact that (at least up to that point in the video) he only talks about terrorists they're after. Yes, he mentions cybersecurity as well, but my understanding of his words is that the people behind those attacks are in the end just terrorists as well. Best regards, Michael
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <301020131008061211%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #51363 |
In article <l4r9bq$rl2$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > > At what point in that 32-minute video does he say that the NSA aims > > only at terrorists? I do not have the time nor the patience to sit > > through the whole thing. > > It is really not that easy to follow him through the video, but e.g. > around 16:00 (or a few seconds earlier) he clearly states that at least > two of the currently heavily criticized programs aim only at terrorists. He said, "We're going after terrorists with those programs". That in no way means that he said or implied that the NSA aims only at terrorists. He was referring to two specific programs out of many programs that the NSA has.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdankjFk7v3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51204 |
Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote > Michelle Steiner wrote >> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>>>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. >>>> No one ever claimed that. >>> US officials did. >> No, they didn't. Any reports you may have read saying that >> they did are distortions at best and fabrications at worst. > Ok, if you feel that the video at > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Kc5Xvr24Aw> is > a fabrication, be my guest. But I'd say that Keith Alexander > is actually a quite high-ranking US official Director of the NSA in fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_B._Alexander > and that the video looks pretty original to me. > That Alexander claims to protect at the same time civil rights and > privacy is no more than a claim to me, and not a very likely one > seeing that they routinely violate civil rights and privacy of people > known to have no connection to terrorism whatsoever.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdal26Fjm5hU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51196 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote > Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote >>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. >>> No one ever claimed that. >> US officials did. > No, they didn't. Yes they did. > Any reports you may have read saying that they did > are distortions at best and fabrications at worst. They aren't 'reports' we have the buggers saying that in person. Obama himself in fact.
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <291020131752260513%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #51194 |
Michael Eyd: > And believe me, I know what the services want to achieve - this is > completely independent from the country they belong to. Nevertheless, it > is a question they should continuously ask themselves whether everything > they can should be done by them. E.g. spying on high(est)-ranking > politicians from close allies. E.g. tapping into the phone calls of > high(est)-ranking politicians from close allies. ... You are mistaken in your belief that the U.S. Intelligence community chooses its own targets. They follow directions--known as tasking--from above. > They should always consider the harm done if this gets public (as it now > has), and the loss in trust the US has to bear by that. Interesting point. It's not the alleged spying that is the problem, but knowledge of the spying by a public that is poorly informed and naïve. You don't seriously believe that any of the recent revelations surprised any European leaders, do you? It's just that these things are not discussed in polite company except when a traitor like Snowden comes along and forces these unpleasant subjects on us. > Or, to put it the other way around: What would you say, what would POTUS > say if the German (or French or Spanish or ...) secret service tapped > into his phone calls, noticing who he was talking to, possibly even > listening to every word said? I really wouldn't expect that anybody in > the US would take that lightheartedly... ;-) Realistically. Suddenly every European is an expert on NSA, but knows nothing of what his own SIGINT service is doing. You're spying on us, you're spying on your neighbors, they're spying on you. Ho hum. And you're still way off base on two counts: why the USG would be interested in the private communications of your average non-terrorist in Europe, and also the math. SIGINT processing is labor-intensive undertaking. It is not possible to monitor large quantities of voice communications even in English, much less another language. NSA would need to employ the entire human population to monitor all of the targets ascribed to it by wildly wrong press reporting. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdak4sFjfp3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51180 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote > Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. > No one ever claimed that. >> Ah, could you please remind me in exactly which terrorist plots the >> German chancellor, the French prime minister and ~30 high ranking >> politicians from around the world were involved? Momentarily slipped >> my memory.. > The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both > allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order > to further the political and military interests of the United States. But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. > (Those are my words, not the official mission statement, > but I'm quite accurate in my assessment.) No you aren't with those countrys I listed. > Knowing what an ally would do in a given situation > helps the US determine what it would do. Doesn't explain why it has agreed not to spy on those countrys. > If we knew, for instance, that Germany would not back us up if > we took a given action might cause us not to take that action; In fact the shrub ordered Schroeder's phones be tapped when he refused to get involved in the invasion of Iraq. > however, if we knew that Germany would back > us up, it would help decide to take that action. Even sillier. >> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( > We never said that. Obama has in fact said just that.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <291020131554370042%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #51236 |
In article <bdak4sFjfp3U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > > The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both > > allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order > > to further the political and military interests of the United States. > > But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the > US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. Citation please? > >> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( > > > We never said that. > > Obama has in fact said just that. Citation please?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdb5mnFmvmfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51259 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both >>> allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order >>> to further the political and military interests of the United States. >> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the >> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. > Citation please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/australia-acting-as-listening-post-for-us-spy-agencies/5056534 Just under the second heading. >>>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( >>> We never said that. >> Obama has in fact said just that. > Citation please? That's what he said when the shit first hit the fan with the revelations about what the NSA does keeping track of who calls who. I didn't bother to keep the cite and it isnt as easy to find as the first one which has a unique keyword that makes that one trivially easy to find.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <291020132308398421%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #51284 |
In article <bdb5mnFmvmfU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the > >> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. > > > Citation please? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement All that says is "Unlike the "second party" members (that is, the Five Eyes themselves), "third party" partners are not automatically exempt from intelligence targeting," with no reference to support it. > http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/australia-acting-as-listening-post- > for-us-spy-agencies/5056534 > Just under the second heading. And that says "Mr Ball says Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada have a long-standing "five eyes" agreement to not spy on each other, and he believes it has not been breached," again with nothing to support it. Mr. Ball may have been mistaken. > >>>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( > > >>> We never said that. > > >> Obama has in fact said just that. > > > Citation please? > > That's what he said when the shit first hit the fan with the > revelations about what the NSA does keeping track of who calls who. I > didn't bother to keep the cite and it isnt as easy to find as the > first one which has a unique keyword that makes that one trivially > easy to find. In other words, it's only your memory, which may be faulty.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdcpmeF2ovrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51304 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the >>>> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. >>> Citation please? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement > All that says is "Unlike the "second party" members > (that is, the Five Eyes themselves), "third party" partners > are not automatically exempt from intelligence targeting," That clearly states that they don't spy on each other. > with no reference to support it. Hardly surprising that the actual agreement isn't actually online for all to read. Not sure if wikileaks has it tho. >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/australia-acting-as-listening-post- >> for-us-spy-agencies/5056534 >> Just under the second heading. > And that says "Mr Ball says Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand > and Canada have a long-standing "five eyes" agreement to not > spy on each other, and he believes it has not been breached," > again with nothing to support it. Hardly surprising that the actual agreement isn't actually online for all to read. Not sure if wikileaks has it tho. > Mr. Ball may have been mistaken. Someone always points out when he is. That hasn't happened with that. >>>>>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( >>>>> We never said that. >>>> Obama has in fact said just that. >>> Citation please? >> That's what he said when the shit first hit the fan with the >> revelations about what the NSA does keeping track of who >> calls who. I didn't bother to keep the cite and it isnt as easy >> to find as the first one which has a unique keyword that >> makes that one trivially easy to find. > In other words, it's only your memory, And yours isn't ? > which may be faulty. Yours clearly is if it wasn't a deliberate bare faced lie of yours.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <301020131011494603%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #51364 |
In article <bdcpmeF2ovrU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > Yours clearly is if it wasn't a deliberate bare faced lie of yours. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you call him or her a liar. You are one of the last people here who should be calling anyone a liar.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bddiluF84p3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51369 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> Yours clearly is if it wasn't a deliberate bare faced lie of yours. > Whenever someone disagrees with you, you call him or her a liar. Everyone can see for themselves that that is just another of your bare faced lies with the most recent conversation with Michael Eyd alone.
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <291020131022186918%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #51173 |
Davoud: > > Everybody? Really? Europeans are so poor at basic arithmetic that they > > think that NSA can spy on /everybody/ ? Or Europeans' egos are so > > puffed up that they think (hope?) that they are important enough to > > draw the attention of the U.S. Intelligence Community? Wrong again. Michael Eyd: > You may continue to make fun of this topic - but be aware that one day > you might wake up in a world that you always thought was not possible to > come true. > > And believe me, NSA *is* capable (quantitywise) of collecting all the > information they can get their hands on. Regardless of what they might > tell the public... Whether my data (or your data) is part of this > collection is not so much my concern, I'm already concerned more than > enough about it *possibly* being part of it. > > But I guess you will not understand these concerns, because you never > read '1984', you never lived in a country that had experienced in its > last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective > secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... > > But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. Ah, could you please remind > me in exactly which terrorist plots the German chancellor, the French > prime minister and ~30 high ranking politicians from around the world > were involved? Momentarily slipped my memory... > > So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( > > Best regards, and keep on dreaming, Hah! If you only knew... But you are delusional about NSA's coverage of private citizens in Europe. Resources are limited and the legitimate workload is unmanageably heavy. Many of the problems the world faces today, from Islamic extremism to the India-Pakistan debacle to international terrorism to Arab dictatorships can be traced to decisions made by various European regimes in the past 100 years or more. In the past 50 years the USA has suffered more than its share of the consequences of Europe's mistakes. That alone is reason enough to keep an eye on Europe. > you never lived in a country that had experienced in its > last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective > secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... In fact, I lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa for 32 years, much of the time under iron-fisted dictatorships. As for the country to which you refer, all the more reason to keep an eye (and an ear) on the German chancellor. And the French? They definitely need watching. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4olkf$smd$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #51187 |
Am 29.10.2013 15:22, schrieb Davoud: > Davoud: >>> Everybody? Really? Europeans are so poor at basic arithmetic that they >>> think that NSA can spy on /everybody/ ? Or Europeans' egos are so >>> puffed up that they think (hope?) that they are important enough to >>> draw the attention of the U.S. Intelligence Community? Wrong again. > > Michael Eyd: >> You may continue to make fun of this topic - but be aware that one day >> you might wake up in a world that you always thought was not possible to >> come true. >> >> And believe me, NSA *is* capable (quantitywise) of collecting all the >> information they can get their hands on. Regardless of what they might >> tell the public... Whether my data (or your data) is part of this >> collection is not so much my concern, I'm already concerned more than >> enough about it *possibly* being part of it. >> >> But I guess you will not understand these concerns, because you never >> read '1984', you never lived in a country that had experienced in its >> last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective >> secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... >> >> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. Ah, could you please remind >> me in exactly which terrorist plots the German chancellor, the French >> prime minister and ~30 high ranking politicians from around the world >> were involved? Momentarily slipped my memory... >> >> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( >> >> Best regards, and keep on dreaming, > > Hah! If you only knew... But you are delusional about NSA's coverage of > private citizens in Europe. Resources are limited and the legitimate > workload is unmanageably heavy. I don't claim that everybody is watched all the time - but if someone high up the ladder chose that everybody in Germany e.g. should be watched, the NSA would be able to do so. > Many of the problems the world faces today, from Islamic extremism to > the India-Pakistan debacle to international terrorism to Arab > dictatorships can be traced to decisions made by various European > regimes in the past 100 years or more. Many: Yes. All: No. In fact quite many of currently pressing problems in the Middle East have been severely influenced as well by decisions taken by the US in the time since the end of WWII. > In the past 50 years the USA has > suffered more than its share of the consequences of Europe's mistakes. And have accumulated quite a record of making things even worse - at least in this corner of the world. > That alone is reason enough to keep an eye on Europe. Oh, I certainly don't mind the US having an eye on Europe - just as much as we're having (at least I hope we do) an eye on the US. But at the very same time I say that there are boundaries to what should be done. Or what would you (or the President) say if the German secret service spied on him, tracing every phone call, possibly even listening to each and every word spoken over the (mobile) phone? Breaking even encryption used? Would you still argue so lightheartedly? >> you never lived in a country that had experienced in its >> last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective >> secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... > > In fact, I lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa for 32 > years, much of the time under iron-fisted dictatorships. As for the > country to which you refer, all the more reason to keep an eye (and an > ear) on the German chancellor. Ok, then you certainly don't mind if we started to have a very close eye on the US president, since US presidents have a track record of lying to the public, starting wars based on those lies, ... > And the French? They definitely need watching. Just because they refuse to follow the US in its footprints like the British? ;-) Michael
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdakuhFjldqU1@mid.individual.net> |
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Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote > Davoud wrote >> Michael Eyd wrote >>> Davoud wrote >>>> Everybody? Really? Europeans are so poor at basic arithmetic that they >>>> think that NSA can spy on /everybody/ ? Or Europeans' egos are so >>>> puffed up that they think (hope?) that they are important enough to >>>> draw the attention of the U.S. Intelligence Community? Wrong again. >>> You may continue to make fun of this topic - but be aware that one day >>> you might wake up in a world that you always thought was not possible to >>> come true. >>> And believe me, NSA *is* capable (quantitywise) of collecting all the >>> information they can get their hands on. Regardless of what they might >>> tell the public... Whether my data (or your data) is part of this >>> collection is not so much my concern, I'm already concerned more than >>> enough about it *possibly* being part of it. >>> But I guess you will not understand these concerns, because you never >>> read '1984', you never lived in a country that had experienced in its >>> last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective >>> secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... >>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. Ah, could you please remind >>> me in exactly which terrorist plots the German chancellor, the French >>> prime minister and ~30 high ranking politicians from around the world >>> were involved? Momentarily slipped my memory... >>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( >>> Best regards, and keep on dreaming, >> Hah! If you only knew... But you are delusional about NSA's coverage of >> private citizens in Europe. Resources are limited and the legitimate >> workload is unmanageably heavy. > I don't claim that everybody is watched all the time - but if someone high > up the ladder chose that everybody in Germany e.g. should be watched, the > NSA would be able to do so. No, particularly not those who never leave the house and never communicate with anyone. They wouldn't even have been able to detect someone like Fritzl. >> Many of the problems the world faces today, from Islamic extremism to >> the India-Pakistan debacle to international terrorism to Arab >> dictatorships can be traced to decisions made by various European >> regimes in the past 100 years or more. > Many: Yes. > All: No. In fact quite many of currently pressing problems in the Middle > East have been severely influenced as well by decisions taken by the US in > the time since the end of WWII. Only really support for Israel and the first gulf war and the invasion of Iraq. >> In the past 50 years the USA has suffered more than its share of the >> consequences of Europe's mistakes. > And have accumulated quite a record of making things even worse - at least > in this corner of the world. But they made things much better in the 50 years before that. And produced the great depression too. And with nukes have now ensured that we won't see another full world war again. >> That alone is reason enough to keep an eye on Europe. > Oh, I certainly don't mind the US having an eye on Europe - just as much > as we're having (at least I hope we do) an eye on the US. But at the very > same time I say that there are boundaries to what should be done. Or what > would you (or the President) say if the German secret service spied on > him, tracing every phone call, possibly even listening to each and every > word spoken over the (mobile) phone? Breaking even encryption used? Would > you still argue so lightheartedly? >>> you never lived in a country that had experienced in its >>> last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective >>> secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... >> In fact, I lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa for 32 >> years, much of the time under iron-fisted dictatorships. As for the >> country to which you refer, all the more reason to keep an eye (and an >> ear) on the German chancellor. > Ok, then you certainly don't mind if we started to have a very close eye > on the US president, since US presidents have a track record of lying to > the public, starting wars based on those lies, ... Everyone has done that for more than a century now, for that reason. >> And the French? They definitely need watching. > Just because they refuse to follow the US in its footprints like the > British? ;-) The British didn't with Vietnam.
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