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  Beach Ball Blues csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-06-24 12:24 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-24 20:03 +0000
      Re: Beach Ball Blues csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-06-26 17:42 -0700
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:48 -0400
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 01:56 +0000
          Re: Beach Ball Blues csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-08-05 17:35 -0700
            Re: Beach Ball Blues Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-08-05 22:28 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues "Jonathan L. Parker" <jlparker001@GOAWAYSPAMMERsbcglobal.net> - 2014-06-24 18:02 -0500
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-25 13:22 +1200
        Re: Beach Ball Blues "Jonathan L. Parker" <jlparker001@GOAWAYSPAMMERsbcglobal.net> - 2014-06-25 00:39 -0500
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-25 18:10 +1200
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Mike Smith <fake.address@fake.com> - 2014-06-27 01:21 +0000
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-25 13:28 +1200
      Re: Beach Ball Blues csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-06-25 10:04 -0700
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-27 07:40 -0700
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-28 12:28 +1200
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-08 08:34 -0400
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 09:32 +1200
          Re: Beach Ball Blues nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-08 19:19 -0400
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-08-06 08:30 -0700
        Re: Beach Ball Blues android <here@there.was> - 2014-08-06 18:26 +0200
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-08-06 11:16 -0700
            Re: Beach Ball Blues nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-06 14:19 -0400
              Re: Beach Ball Blues Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-08-06 11:48 -0700
                Re: Beach Ball Blues Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-06 18:59 +0000
                  Re: Beach Ball Blues Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-08-06 15:54 -0400
                Re: Beach Ball Blues dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-08-07 11:16 +1200
                  Re: Beach Ball Blues Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-08-07 08:36 -0700
            Re: Beach Ball Blues android <here@there.was> - 2014-08-07 16:06 +0200
        Re: Beach Ball Blues nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-06 22:52 -0400
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-06 21:25 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> - 2014-06-25 09:58 -0400

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#61390 — Beach Ball Blues

     I know its a pinwheel, not a beach ball, but I like the
alliteration and the catchy subject.

     I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger. I know it's almost at
retirement age but that's more because of software rather than hardware
(I think). Nobody has updated their software for Tiger in a long time
and the machine is functioning poorly in a changing environment.  What I
mean by that is when I access any part of the Internet that can change
with time, all bets are off. Safari hangs up on a number of web sites,
for example.

     However, as a desktop personal computer, it's still got plenty of
oomph. For me, that means that I can use Microsoft Office (2008),
FileMaker Pro (8.0v3), Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP
doesn't change). I use my MacBook Pro when I need to go to the
non-longer-working websites or use Google Earth.

     Given that the software hasn't changed in years, I expect things to
be stable as long as I stay away from the Internet. What I've noticed,
however, is that it takes forever to perform some really basic, simple
tasks. The pinwheel spins and spins. One such task is opening folders,
even some that contain only ten or so items. That can take as long as 30
seconds. Stickies opens nicely (It's a startup item) but I have to wait
minutes to be able to modify a stickie; more pinwheel spinning.

     This is just an informational question. Does anyone have any idea
what's going on? I thought that maybe the main disk is failing,
requiring a bunch of retries, but it's a S.M.A.R.T. disk and Disk
Utility says that it's reporting everything fine.

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#61392

On 2014-06-24, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
>      I know its a pinwheel, not a beach ball, but I like the
> alliteration and the catchy subject.
>
>      I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger. I know it's almost at
> retirement age but that's more because of software rather than hardware
> (I think). Nobody has updated their software for Tiger in a long time
> and the machine is functioning poorly in a changing environment.  What I
> mean by that is when I access any part of the Internet that can change
> with time, all bets are off. Safari hangs up on a number of web sites,
> for example.
>
>      However, as a desktop personal computer, it's still got plenty of
> oomph. For me, that means that I can use Microsoft Office (2008),
> FileMaker Pro (8.0v3), Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP
> doesn't change). I use my MacBook Pro when I need to go to the
> non-longer-working websites or use Google Earth.
>
>      Given that the software hasn't changed in years, I expect things to
> be stable as long as I stay away from the Internet. What I've noticed,
> however, is that it takes forever to perform some really basic, simple
> tasks. The pinwheel spins and spins. One such task is opening folders,
> even some that contain only ten or so items. That can take as long as 30
> seconds. Stickies opens nicely (It's a startup item) but I have to wait
> minutes to be able to modify a stickie; more pinwheel spinning.
>
>      This is just an informational question. Does anyone have any idea
> what's going on? I thought that maybe the main disk is failing,
> requiring a bunch of retries, but it's a S.M.A.R.T. disk and Disk
> Utility says that it's reporting everything fine.

Well the symptoms you describe are certainly within range of a
malfunctioning disk drive; but it's best not to jump to conclusions
without first having a quick look at your system. Unfortunately, SMART
often doesn't tell you much until after the disk fails. I would first
look for messages that are posted to the console and system logs at the
time of the sluggishness. Messages that have a time stamp that is close
to or during the sluggish event (while the beach ball is on screen, for
instance) may give you an indication of what is causing the performance
issue. For instance, you might see messages about IO or disks,
indicating a failing disk. Or you might see error messages about network
services or something else entirely. If needed, you can post the
relevant messages here and we can help you figure out what's going on.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#61441

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-24, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> >      I know its a pinwheel, not a beach ball, but I like the
> > alliteration and the catchy subject.
> >
> >      I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger. I know it's almost at
> > retirement age but that's more because of software rather than hardware
> > (I think). Nobody has updated their software for Tiger in a long time
> > and the machine is functioning poorly in a changing environment.  What I
> > mean by that is when I access any part of the Internet that can change
> > with time, all bets are off. Safari hangs up on a number of web sites,
> > for example.
> >
> >      However, as a desktop personal computer, it's still got plenty of
> > oomph. For me, that means that I can use Microsoft Office (2008),
> > FileMaker Pro (8.0v3), Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP
> > doesn't change). I use my MacBook Pro when I need to go to the
> > non-longer-working websites or use Google Earth.
> >
> >      Given that the software hasn't changed in years, I expect things to
> > be stable as long as I stay away from the Internet. What I've noticed,
> > however, is that it takes forever to perform some really basic, simple
> > tasks. The pinwheel spins and spins. One such task is opening folders,
> > even some that contain only ten or so items. That can take as long as 30
> > seconds. Stickies opens nicely (It's a startup item) but I have to wait
> > minutes to be able to modify a stickie; more pinwheel spinning.
> >
> >      This is just an informational question. Does anyone have any idea
> > what's going on? I thought that maybe the main disk is failing,
> > requiring a bunch of retries, but it's a S.M.A.R.T. disk and Disk
> > Utility says that it's reporting everything fine.
> 
> Well the symptoms you describe are certainly within range of a
> malfunctioning disk drive; but it's best not to jump to conclusions
> without first having a quick look at your system. Unfortunately, SMART
> often doesn't tell you much until after the disk fails. I would first
> look for messages that are posted to the console and system logs at the
> time of the sluggishness. Messages that have a time stamp that is close
> to or during the sluggish event (while the beach ball is on screen, for
> instance) may give you an indication of what is causing the performance
> issue. For instance, you might see messages about IO or disks,
> indicating a failing disk. Or you might see error messages about network
> services or something else entirely. If needed, you can post the
> relevant messages here and we can help you figure out what's going on.

     Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the names of these log
files? When I did a search for "log" I got 16,212 hits.

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#61444

On 2014.06.26, 20:42 , Charles H. Sampson wrote:

>       Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the names of these log
> files? When I did a search for "log" I got 16,212 hits.

Imagine if you had asked for forest ....


-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61447

On 2014-06-27, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Well the symptoms you describe are certainly within range of a
>> malfunctioning disk drive; but it's best not to jump to conclusions
>> without first having a quick look at your system. Unfortunately, SMART
>> often doesn't tell you much until after the disk fails. I would first
>> look for messages that are posted to the console and system logs at the
>> time of the sluggishness. Messages that have a time stamp that is close
>> to or during the sluggish event (while the beach ball is on screen, for
>> instance) may give you an indication of what is causing the performance
>> issue. For instance, you might see messages about IO or disks,
>> indicating a failing disk. Or you might see error messages about network
>> services or something else entirely. If needed, you can post the
>> relevant messages here and we can help you figure out what's going on.
>
>      Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the names of these log
> files? When I did a search for "log" I got 16,212 hits.

To view logs on your computer, open /Applications/Utilities/Console.

NOTE: You might notice that Console refuses to allow you to view the
system log if you are currently logged into a non-administrator Mac OS X
user account. If that happens you can do this:

1. Quit Console.
2. Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.
3. In a terminal window, enter the command (replacing "admin" with the
short name of an administrator account): su admin
4. Supply the password to the admin account when prompted.
5. Enter the command: sudo open /Applications/Utilities/Console.app
6. Supply the password to the admin account when prompted.

If you enter these commands correctly, the Console application will open
in administrator mode, allowing you to view the system log.

The system log will usually give you an indication as to what is causing
startup and low-level issues, where the console log typically shows only
issues you experience after you are logged into your user account.

Again, please post only the *relevant* log messages (those with time
stamps during the period of time when the sluggishness is occurring), so
that we don't have to wade through hundreds of irrelevant lines.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#63048

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-27, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well the symptoms you describe are certainly within range of a
> >> malfunctioning disk drive; but it's best not to jump to conclusions
> >> without first having a quick look at your system. Unfortunately, SMART
> >> often doesn't tell you much until after the disk fails. I would first
> >> look for messages that are posted to the console and system logs at the
> >> time of the sluggishness. Messages that have a time stamp that is close
> >> to or during the sluggish event (while the beach ball is on screen, for
> >> instance) may give you an indication of what is causing the performance
> >> issue. For instance, you might see messages about IO or disks,
> >> indicating a failing disk. Or you might see error messages about network
> >> services or something else entirely. If needed, you can post the
> >> relevant messages here and we can help you figure out what's going on.
> >
> >      Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the names of these log
> > files? When I did a search for "log" I got 16,212 hits.
> 
> To view logs on your computer, open /Applications/Utilities/Console.

     I finally got around to following these simple instructions. (That
tells you how seriously I take the problem.)

     I don't see any log entries that are timewise related to the
spinning beach ball. However, there are a couple of recurrent entries.
Something called SyndicationAgent keeps having trouble with a database,
which seems to be corrupted, and Safari logs exceptions from time to
time.

     In the part of the post that I edited away, a sample of the output
was asked for. Here's some.

2014-08-05 14:41:33.593 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
database disk image is malformed
2014-08-05 14:41:33.593 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING:
QuickLiteDatabase integrityCheck failed with error 11/database disk
image is malformed
2014-08-05 14:41:33.594 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
database disk image is malformed
2014-08-05 14:41:33.595 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING: ArticlesStore:
Fatal database error: exiting!
2014-08-05 14:41:34.790 Safari[527] Exception raised in
_worker_sendObject: connection went invalid while waiting for a reply
Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
2014-08-05 17:05:52 -0700
Aug  5 17:05:56 charles-power-mac-g4 crashdump[1141]: ARDAgent crashed
Aug  5 17:06:08 charles-power-mac-g4 crashdump[1141]: crash report
written to: /Library/Logs/CrashReporter/ARDAgent.crash.log
2014-08-05 17:06:24.073 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
database disk image is malformed
2014-08-05 17:06:24.073 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING:
QuickLiteDatabase integrityCheck failed with error 11/database disk
image is malformed
2014-08-05 17:06:24.074 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
database disk image is malformed
2014-08-05 17:06:24.074 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING: ArticlesStore:
Fatal database error: exiting!
2014-08-05 17:06:25.108 Safari[527] Exception raised in
_worker_sendObject: connection went invalid while waiting for a reply

     The time I'm forming this post is 17:34.

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#63057

In article <1lpx1ul.13ejkke1mm4pogN%csampson@inetworld.net>,
 csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-06-27, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well the symptoms you describe are certainly within range of a
> > >> malfunctioning disk drive; but it's best not to jump to conclusions
> > >> without first having a quick look at your system. Unfortunately, SMART
> > >> often doesn't tell you much until after the disk fails. I would first
> > >> look for messages that are posted to the console and system logs at the
> > >> time of the sluggishness. Messages that have a time stamp that is close
> > >> to or during the sluggish event (while the beach ball is on screen, for
> > >> instance) may give you an indication of what is causing the performance
> > >> issue. For instance, you might see messages about IO or disks,
> > >> indicating a failing disk. Or you might see error messages about network
> > >> services or something else entirely. If needed, you can post the
> > >> relevant messages here and we can help you figure out what's going on.
> > >
> > >      Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the names of these log
> > > files? When I did a search for "log" I got 16,212 hits.
> > 
> > To view logs on your computer, open /Applications/Utilities/Console.
> 
>      I finally got around to following these simple instructions. (That
> tells you how seriously I take the problem.)
> 
>      I don't see any log entries that are timewise related to the
> spinning beach ball. However, there are a couple of recurrent entries.
> Something called SyndicationAgent keeps having trouble with a database,
> which seems to be corrupted, and Safari logs exceptions from time to
> time.
> 
>      In the part of the post that I edited away, a sample of the output
> was asked for. Here's some.
> 
> 2014-08-05 14:41:33.593 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
> database disk image is malformed
> 2014-08-05 14:41:33.593 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING:
> QuickLiteDatabase integrityCheck failed with error 11/database disk
> image is malformed
> 2014-08-05 14:41:33.594 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
> database disk image is malformed
> 2014-08-05 14:41:33.595 SyndicationAgent[1129] WARNING: ArticlesStore:
> Fatal database error: exiting!
> 2014-08-05 14:41:34.790 Safari[527] Exception raised in
> _worker_sendObject: connection went invalid while waiting for a reply
> Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
> 2014-08-05 17:05:52 -0700
> Aug  5 17:05:56 charles-power-mac-g4 crashdump[1141]: ARDAgent crashed
> Aug  5 17:06:08 charles-power-mac-g4 crashdump[1141]: crash report
> written to: /Library/Logs/CrashReporter/ARDAgent.crash.log
> 2014-08-05 17:06:24.073 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
> database disk image is malformed
> 2014-08-05 17:06:24.073 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING:
> QuickLiteDatabase integrityCheck failed with error 11/database disk
> image is malformed
> 2014-08-05 17:06:24.074 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING: SQLite error 11:
> database disk image is malformed
> 2014-08-05 17:06:24.074 SyndicationAgent[1148] WARNING: ArticlesStore:
> Fatal database error: exiting!
> 2014-08-05 17:06:25.108 Safari[527] Exception raised in
> _worker_sendObject: connection went invalid while waiting for a reply
> 
>      The time I'm forming this post is 17:34.
> 
>                         Charlie

This is a common problem with SQLite yet nobody using it ever seems to 
have a recovery plan.  "exiting!" is the wrong solution for sure.  You 
can try to rebuild it manually if there's interesting stuff in your 
PubSub database.  I'm running MacOS 10.6.8 so maybe the file path is a 
bit off compared to you.  Later OSes hide these fragile databases way 
down in /var/db/.


cp ~/Library/PubSub/Database/Database.sqlite3 /tmp/foo.db

rm ~/Library/PubSub/Database/Database.sqlite3

sqlite3 '/tmp/foo.db' '.dump' \
 | sqlite3 -init - ~/Library/PubSub/Database/Database.sqlite3




PubSub is doing a whole lot of undesirable work for most people.  It's 
hammering web sites to update bookmark previews and fetching every 
single RSS feed you've ever clicked on.  If that's you, just do the "rm" 
part.

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#61394

On 6/24/14 2:24 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:

>       This is just an informational question. Does anyone have any idea
> what's going on? I thought that maybe the main disk is failing,
> requiring a bunch of retries, but it's a S.M.A.R.T. disk and Disk
> Utility says that it's reporting everything fine.

Been a while since I've been up close and personal with Tiger.  Had to 
upgrade my MacBook Pro to Snow Leopard to add some needed stuff a couple 
of years back.  From my experience with both OS X versions, however, it 
sounds like it's time to reformat the drive, reinstall the operating 
system and restore everything else from backup.  Just had to do that 
myself last week as a matter of fact.  It did banish the beachballs, at 
least until next time.  Too bad you don't have Time Machine to help you.

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#61396

In article <lod01e$2qq$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan L. Parker
<jlparker001@GOAWAYSPAMMERsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/24/14 2:24 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> >
> > This is just an informational question. Does anyone have any idea
> > what's going on? I thought that maybe the main disk is failing,
> > requiring a bunch of retries, but it's a S.M.A.R.T. disk and Disk
> > Utility says that it's reporting everything fine.
> 
> Been a while since I've been up close and personal with Tiger.  Had to 
> upgrade my MacBook Pro to Snow Leopard to add some needed stuff a couple 
> of years back.  From my experience with both OS X versions, however, it 
> sounds like it's time to reformat the drive, reinstall the operating 
> system and restore everything else from backup.  Just had to do that 
> myself last week as a matter of fact.  It did banish the beachballs, at 
> least until next time.  Too bad you don't have Time Machine to help you.

Ewwwwww... that's a silly Windoze solution and usually completely
unnecessary (unless there are some corrupted system files).

Best to start with simple options like performing the routine cleanup
tasks, clearing out the caches, etc.

Also try creating a new user account and see if that fixes the problem.

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#61399

On 6/24/14 8:22 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <lod01e$2qq$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan L. Parker
> <jlparker001@GOAWAYSPAMMERsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>...it
>> sounds like it's time to reformat the drive, reinstall the operating
>> system and restore everything else from backup.
>
> Ewwwwww... that's a silly Windoze solution and usually completely
> unnecessary (unless there are some corrupted system files).

Maybe, but you know what?  It just works.

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#61400

In article <lodnac$rhh$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan L. Parker
<jlparker001@GOAWAYSPAMMERsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/24/14 8:22 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <lod01e$2qq$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan L. Parker
> > <jlparker001@GOAWAYSPAMMERsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>...it
> >> sounds like it's time to reformat the drive, reinstall the operating
> >> system and restore everything else from backup.
> >
> > Ewwwwww... that's a silly Windoze solution and usually completely
> > unnecessary (unless there are some corrupted system files).
> 
> Maybe, but you know what?  It just works.

Of course it works (unless it's a hardware issue) ... but burning down
the house with your kids inside to "cure" their winter flu also "works"
... hey, they no longer have the flu.    :-\

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#61445

Jonathan L. Parker <jlparker001@goawayspammersbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/24/14 2:24 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> 
>>       This is just an informational question. Does anyone have any idea
>> what's going on? I thought that maybe the main disk is failing,
>> requiring a bunch of retries, but it's a S.M.A.R.T. disk and Disk
>> Utility says that it's reporting everything fine.
> 
> Been a while since I've been up close and personal with Tiger.  Had to 
> upgrade my MacBook Pro to Snow Leopard to add some needed stuff a couple 
> of years back.  From my experience with both OS X versions, however, it 
> sounds like it's time to reformat the drive, reinstall the operating 
> system and restore everything else from backup.  Just had to do that 
> myself last week as a matter of fact.  It did banish the beachballs, at 
> least until next time.  Too bad you don't have Time Machine to help you.
> 

I am reading and replying this on my G4 Tiger as well. Surprised to
find another Tiger user. 

I agree it may benefit from an OS reinstallation. But the symptom does
indeed look like a failing hard drive. 

I suggest to clone the hard drive to an external one, as an image.
Then re-install the OS, then restore. If that's a failing hard drive, 
replace it and then restore the disk image. 

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#61397

In article <1lnquvf.1g6449ef6k1stN%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
>      I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger ...
> 
>      ... I can use Microsoft Office (2008), FileMaker Pro (8.0v3),
>  Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP doesn't change).

Geez, you people and your new-fangled systems.  ;-)

I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2 with Microsoft Office 2001,
FileMaker 4.1 and 5.5, Eudora 6.2, Firefox 2 and Safari 1.0, Adobe
Illustrator 9, InDesign 2 (not "CS2"), DreamWeaver 4, ColorIt 4 (from
1998 as a Photoshop clone), etc.

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#61406

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1lnquvf.1g6449ef6k1stN%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
> Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > 
> <snip>
> > 
> >      I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger ...
> > 
> >      ... I can use Microsoft Office (2008), FileMaker Pro (8.0v3),
> >  Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP doesn't change).
> 
> Geez, you people and your new-fangled systems.  ;-)
> 
> I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2 with Microsoft Office 2001,
> FileMaker 4.1 and 5.5, Eudora 6.2, Firefox 2 and Safari 1.0, Adobe
> Illustrator 9, InDesign 2 (not "CS2"), DreamWeaver 4, ColorIt 4 (from
> 1998 as a Photoshop clone), etc.

     A man after my own heart. ;-)

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#61471

On 6/24/2014 6:28 PM PT, Your Name typed:

>>       I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger ...
>>
>>       ... I can use Microsoft Office (2008), FileMaker Pro (8.0v3),
>>   Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP doesn't change).
>
> Geez, you people and your new-fangled systems.  ;-)
>
> I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2 with Microsoft Office 2001,
> FileMaker 4.1 and 5.5, Eudora 6.2, Firefox 2 and Safari 1.0, Adobe
> Illustrator 9, InDesign 2 (not "CS2"), DreamWeaver 4, ColorIt 4 (from
> 1998 as a Photoshop clone), etc.

Wow. I still have a 10.2.8, but I never use it anymore. Do you still use 
yours often especially with online stuff (security holes)?
-- 
"The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal 
consideration." --Michael W. Fox, Vice President, The Humane Society of 
the United States, The Inhumane Society, New York, 1990.
    /\___/\         Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
   / /\ /\ \                Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net
  | |o   o| |
     \ _ /        If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link.
      ( )         If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed.
Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer.

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#61482

In article <frudnfw1d478HzDOnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 6:28 PM PT, Your Name typed:
> >>
> >>       I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger ...
> >>
> >>       ... I can use Microsoft Office (2008), FileMaker Pro (8.0v3),
> >>   Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP doesn't change).
> >
> > Geez, you people and your new-fangled systems.  ;-)
> >
> > I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2 with Microsoft Office 2001,
> > FileMaker 4.1 and 5.5, Eudora 6.2, Firefox 2 and Safari 1.0, Adobe
> > Illustrator 9, InDesign 2 (not "CS2"), DreamWeaver 4, ColorIt 4 (from
> > 1998 as a Photoshop clone), etc.
> 
> Wow. I still have a 10.2.8, but I never use it anymore. Do you still use 
> yours often especially with online stuff (security holes)?

I use my beige G3 PowerMac daily for both leisure and my own business
(DTP, databases, simple websites, Mac tech support, etc.) - by the way,
it's connected to the internet via a dial-up modem too.   :-)

It works, does (almost) everything I need it to, so why change what
aint broken? Doing that is expensive and a waste of money.

There are no real "security holes", unless you're stupid enough to
download pirate software or visit porn websites.

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#62084

In article <250620141328283170%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1lnquvf.1g6449ef6k1stN%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
> Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > 
> <snip>
> > 
> >      I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger ...
> > 
> >      ... I can use Microsoft Office (2008), FileMaker Pro (8.0v3),
> >  Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP doesn't change).
> 
> Geez, you people and your new-fangled systems.  ;-)
> 
> I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2 with Microsoft Office 2001,
> FileMaker 4.1 and 5.5, Eudora 6.2, Firefox 2 and Safari 1.0, Adobe
> Illustrator 9, InDesign 2 (not "CS2"), DreamWeaver 4, ColorIt 4 (from
> 1998 as a Photoshop clone), etc.

A yes, I remember ColorIt. I was in no sense a Photoshop clone, 
although it was a image manipulation program that worked with low 
resources. I ran with it with a 40 meg hard drive and a 100 meg disk 
drive, for a while, back in the Performa 040 daze. An 8 mega byte 
addition brought my RAM to a staggering 12 megabytes. And I liked it.

-- 
Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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#62093

In article <proto-87AC3C.08340608072014@news.panix.com>, Walter Bushell
<proto@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <250620141328283170%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <1lnquvf.1g6449ef6k1stN%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
> > Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > <snip>
> > > 
> > >  I'm still using an old G4 runnng Tiger ...
> > > 
> > >  ... I can use Microsoft Office (2008), FileMaker Pro (8.0v3),
> > >  Eudora (POP doesn't change), and MacSOUP (SOUP doesn't change).
> > 
> > Geez, you people and your new-fangled systems.  ;-)
> > 
> > I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2 with Microsoft Office 2001,
> > FileMaker 4.1 and 5.5, Eudora 6.2, Firefox 2 and Safari 1.0, Adobe
> > Illustrator 9, InDesign 2 (not "CS2"), DreamWeaver 4, ColorIt 4 (from
> > 1998 as a Photoshop clone), etc.
> 
> A yes, I remember ColorIt. I was in no sense a Photoshop clone, 
> although it was a image manipulation program that worked with low 
> resources. I ran with it with a 40 meg hard drive and a 100 meg disk 
> drive, for a while, back in the Performa 040 daze. An 8 mega byte 
> addition brought my RAM to a staggering 12 megabytes. And I liked it.

ColorIt! does much of what Photoshop of the time did, and in many ways
is still better than the over-bloated Photoshop of today. I got it for
free from a magazine cover disk (yes, floppy disk) years ago. Almost no
magazines have cover discs these days.  :-(

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#62095

In article <090720140932006327%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > A yes, I remember ColorIt. I was in no sense a Photoshop clone, 
> > although it was a image manipulation program that worked with low 
> > resources. I ran with it with a 40 meg hard drive and a 100 meg disk 
> > drive, for a while, back in the Performa 040 daze. An 8 mega byte 
> > addition brought my RAM to a staggering 12 megabytes. And I liked it.
> 
> ColorIt! does much of what Photoshop of the time did, and in many ways
> is still better than the over-bloated Photoshop of today.

colorit was never anywhere close to what photoshop did. 

> I got it for
> free from a magazine cover disk (yes, floppy disk) years ago. Almost no
> magazines have cover discs these days.  :-(

that's a good thing.

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#63059

Your Name wrote:

> I'm still using a G3 running Mac OS X 10.2

Isn't it turtle-slow?  How much RAM, have you got?

I have 10.2 on my G3 too, but I always run 9.1 unless I especially need 
the OS X features.

Paul Magnussen

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