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  Re: Printscreen gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-07 09:28 -0700
    Re: Printscreen nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-07 13:35 -0400
      Re: Printscreen Steve <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-07 19:55 +0200
        Re: Printscreen Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 09:26 +1200
          Re: Printscreen nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-07 18:04 -0400
            Re: Printscreen gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-07 17:38 -0700
              Re: Printscreen nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-07 20:58 -0400
                Re: Printscreen Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-07-08 07:51 +0200
                  Re: Printscreen Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-08 15:42 +0000
                    Re: Printscreen Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 00:34 +0000
                      Re: Printscreen Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-09 01:53 +0000
                        Re: Printscreen Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 16:11 +1200
                          Re: Printscreen nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 00:23 -0400
                          Re: Printscreen Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-09 05:21 +0000
              Re: Printscreen Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 13:27 +1200
                Re: Printscreen nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-07 21:46 -0400
              Re: Printscreen Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-08 05:43 +0000
    Re: Printscreen Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-07-07 20:22 +0000
      Re: Printscreen gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-07 14:20 -0700

#62054 — Re: Printscreen

On 2014-05-23 15:44:00 +0000, jahrlind@gmail.com said:

> On Sunday, 25 February 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Owen Hopkins  wrote:
>> sany@cyber2.servtech.com (ski areas of ny) wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What key combination will let me save screens on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pat
>>> 
>> 
>> Hold down shift and command (Apple button) amd press 3.  A PICT is
>> created in the main level of the startup volume.  Simpletext will let
>> you view and crop the image.  You can get software that allows more
>> sophisticated screen grabbing than this but I don't know what it is.
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> --
>> Owen Hopkins
>> Student of Philosophy and Computer Science at University of Stirling.
>> e-mail: ojeh01@students.stir.ac.uk
> 
> Message for Owen Hopkins : Martin Kimber hopes you will get this

I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png 
file not a PICT file.

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#62055

In article <2014070709285879403-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >>> What key combination will let me save screens on the Mac?
> >>> 
> >> Hold down shift and command (Apple button) amd press 3.  A PICT is
> >> created in the main level of the startup volume.  Simpletext will let
> >> you view and crop the image.  You can get software that allows more
> >> sophisticated screen grabbing than this but I don't know what it is.
> >> Hope this helps.
> >> 
> 
> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png 
> file not a PICT file.

pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
earlier.

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#62056

On 07-07-14 19:35, nospam wrote:
> In article <2014070709285879403-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>>>>> What key combination will let me save screens on the Mac?
>>>>>
>>>> Hold down shift and command (Apple button) amd press 3.  A PICT is
>>>> created in the main level of the startup volume.  Simpletext will let
>>>> you view and crop the image.  You can get software that allows more
>>>> sophisticated screen grabbing than this but I don't know what it is.
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>
>> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
>> file not a PICT file.
>
> pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
> changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
> earlier.
>
Yes.

defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer


-- 
Steve

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#62063

In article <53badeff$0$15843$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl>, Steve
<gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 07-07-14 19:35, nospam wrote:
> > In article <2014070709285879403-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What key combination will let me save screens on the Mac?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Hold down shift and command (Apple button) amd press 3.  A PICT is
> >>>> created in the main level of the startup volume.  Simpletext will let
> >>>> you view and crop the image.  You can get software that allows more
> >>>> sophisticated screen grabbing than this but I don't know what it is.
> >>>> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
> >> file not a PICT file.
> >
> > pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
> > changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
> > earlier.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer

The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
they only contain a bitmap image anyway.

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#62065

In article <080720140926072123%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > >> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
> > >> file not a PICT file.
> > >
> > > pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
> > > changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
> > > earlier.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer
> 
> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.

it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.

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#62069

On 2014-07-07 22:04:12 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <080720140926072123%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
>>>>> file not a PICT file.
>>>> 
>>>> pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
>>>> changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
>>>> earlier.
>>> 
>>> Yes.
>>> 
>>> defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer
>> 
>> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
>> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
>> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.
> 
> it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.

Via a command-line in Terminal?  That's about as oblique as it gets for 
the average user. Hell, I suppose I'd prefer a jpeg and generally trust 
input from usenet, but when I see "killall" in a terminal line it does 
give me the heebie-jeebies.  I would think the many people I counsel on 
how to work a Mac would be even less inclined to encounter it. 

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#62070

In article <2014070717381483288-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >>>> pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
> >>>> changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
> >>>> earlier.
> >>> 
> >>> Yes.
> >>> 
> >>> defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer
> >> 
> >> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
> >> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
> >> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.
> > 
> > it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.
> 
> Via a command-line in Terminal?  That's about as oblique as it gets for 
> the average user. Hell, I suppose I'd prefer a jpeg and generally trust 
> input from usenet, but when I see "killall" in a terminal line it does 
> give me the heebie-jeebies.  I would think the many people I counsel on 
> how to work a Mac would be even less inclined to encounter it. 

there are apps that wrap that all that nonsense, such as tinkertool.

<http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html>

choose the screen shot format from a popup menu and also where to put
them:
<http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/Images-en/3General.png>

tinkertool classic runs on 10.1.

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#62082

In article <070720142058481601%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <2014070717381483288-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> > >>>> pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
> > >>>> changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
> > >>>> earlier.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Yes.
> > >>> 
> > >>> defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer
> > >> 
> > >> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
> > >> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
> > >> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.
> > > 
> > > it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.
> > 
> > Via a command-line in Terminal?  That's about as oblique as it gets for 
> > the average user. Hell, I suppose I'd prefer a jpeg and generally trust 
> > input from usenet, but when I see "killall" in a terminal line it does 
> > give me the heebie-jeebies.  I would think the many people I counsel on 
> > how to work a Mac would be even less inclined to encounter it. 
> 
> there are apps that wrap that all that nonsense, such as tinkertool.
> 
> <http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html>
> 
> choose the screen shot format from a popup menu and also where to put
> them:
> <http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/Images-en/3General.png>
> 
> tinkertool classic runs on 10.1.

TinkerTool Classic can set the screenshot format in 10.1, but not 10.2 
or 10.3
<http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerToolClassic/details.html>

Cheers
Andreas

-- 
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EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk
Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung
<mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 044 / 721 36 47

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#62091

On 2014-07-08, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
>
> TinkerTool Classic can set the screenshot format in 10.1, but not 10.2 
> or 10.3
><http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerToolClassic/details.html>

I thought I remembered not being able to change it in one or two
releases. I recall being irked about the format Apple chose at the time.

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#62096

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
 --> 	 8 Jul 2014 15:42:45 GMT <c22hrlF9jU8@mid.individual.net>
> On 2014-07-08, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
>>
>> TinkerTool Classic can set the screenshot format in 10.1, but not 10.2 
>> or 10.3
>><http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerToolClassic/details.html>

> I thought I remembered not being able to change it in one or two
> releases. I recall being irked about the format Apple chose at the time.

PNG was annoying for some people because Firefox didn't support it for
some time. It is a *far* superior format to pict or tiff.

-- 
In the end we will not remember the words of our enemies, but the
silence of our friends. -Martin Luther King, Jr

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#62101

On 2014-07-09, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
>  --> 	 8 Jul 2014 15:42:45 GMT <c22hrlF9jU8@mid.individual.net>
>> On 2014-07-08, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> TinkerTool Classic can set the screenshot format in 10.1, but not 10.2 
>>> or 10.3
>>><http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerToolClassic/details.html>
>
>> I thought I remembered not being able to change it in one or two
>> releases. I recall being irked about the format Apple chose at the time.
>
> PNG was annoying for some people because Firefox didn't support it for
> some time. It is a *far* superior format to pict or tiff.

Yep. I always considered PDF to be a very strange default choice.

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#62102

In article <c23lkrF7h9tU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-09, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was
> > all, like: 
> >  -->     8 Jul 2014 15:42:45 GMT <c22hrlF9jU8@mid.individual.net>
> >> On 2014-07-08, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> TinkerTool Classic can set the screenshot format in 10.1, but not 10.2 
> >>> or 10.3
> >>><http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerToolClassic/details.html>
> >
> >> I thought I remembered not being able to change it in one or two
> >> releases. I recall being irked about the format Apple chose at the time.
> >
> > PNG was annoying for some people because Firefox didn't support it for
> > some time. It is a *far* superior format to pict or tiff.
> 
> Yep. I always considered PDF to be a very strange default choice.

Mac OS X's default print format is Postscript / PDF, so it's also the
default choice for the screen capture because it basically prints the
screen.

PNG is a horrible image format that takes longer to decompress and has
bigger files than JPEG. TIFF without compression is much better,
especially for print use. Websites that insist on using PNG format
images take much longer to download and display via a dial-up
connection.

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#62103

In article <090720141611333741%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > > PNG was annoying for some people because Firefox didn't support it for
> > > some time. It is a *far* superior format to pict or tiff.
> > 
> > Yep. I always considered PDF to be a very strange default choice.
> 
> Mac OS X's default print format is Postscript / PDF, so it's also the
> default choice for the screen capture because it basically prints the
> screen.

the graphics in mac os x is based on pdf, so making the screen shot use
that format was trivial.

pdf is not just printing and there is no postscript.

> PNG is a horrible image format that takes longer to decompress 

nonsense.

> and has
> bigger files than JPEG. 

png is lossless and jpeg is lossy.

lossless is going to be bigger than lossy.

> TIFF without compression is much better,

not necessarily, and they're much, much bigger than either png or jpeg.

> especially for print use.

no. you can't see a difference with a high quality jpeg versus tiff in
print or on screen for that matter.

> Websites that insist on using PNG format
> images take much longer to download and display via a dial-up
> connection.

that's because they're bigger. however, png can do things jpegs can't,
such as transparency.

it would also be a *lot* worse if they were tif.

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#62104

On 2014-07-09, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <c23lkrF7h9tU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-07-09, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was
>> > all, like: 
>> >  -->     8 Jul 2014 15:42:45 GMT <c22hrlF9jU8@mid.individual.net>
>> >> On 2014-07-08, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> TinkerTool Classic can set the screenshot format in 10.1, but not 10.2 
>> >>> or 10.3
>> >>><http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerToolClassic/details.html>
>> >
>> >> I thought I remembered not being able to change it in one or two
>> >> releases. I recall being irked about the format Apple chose at the time.
>> >
>> > PNG was annoying for some people because Firefox didn't support it for
>> > some time. It is a *far* superior format to pict or tiff.
>> 
>> Yep. I always considered PDF to be a very strange default choice.
>
> Mac OS X's default print format is Postscript / PDF, so it's also the
> default choice for the screen capture because it basically prints the
> screen.

That may or may not be, but the average Apple customer doesn't care
about that, and would rather have something that resembles a typical
image format file.

> PNG is a horrible image format that takes longer to decompress and has
> bigger files than JPEG. TIFF without compression is much better,
> especially for print use. Websites that insist on using PNG format
> images take much longer to download and display via a dial-up
> connection.

LOL... 

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#62072

In article <2014070717381483288-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2014-07-07 22:04:12 +0000, nospam said:
> > In article <080720140926072123%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>>>  
> >>>>> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
> >>>>> file not a PICT file.
> >>>> 
> >>>> pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
> >>>> changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
> >>>> earlier.
> >>> 
> >>> Yes.
> >>> 
> >>> defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer
> >> 
> >> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
> >> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
> >> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.
> > 
> > it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.
> 
> Via a command-line in Terminal?  That's about as oblique as it gets for 
> the average user. Hell, I suppose I'd prefer a jpeg and generally trust 
> input from usenet, but when I see "killall" in a terminal line it does 
> give me the heebie-jeebies.  I would think the many people I counsel on 
> how to work a Mac would be even less inclined to encounter it. 

The default screen capture image format can't actually be changed in
versions earlier than Mac OS X 10.4. 

For those you don't like using the Terminal, some of the third party
applications like TinkerTool allow you to change the format (where
possible) among other "hidden" settings.

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#62073

In article <080720141327556687%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > >> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
> > >> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
> > >> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.
> > > 
> > > it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.
> > 
> > Via a command-line in Terminal?  That's about as oblique as it gets for 
> > the average user. Hell, I suppose I'd prefer a jpeg and generally trust 
> > input from usenet, but when I see "killall" in a terminal line it does 
> > give me the heebie-jeebies.  I would think the many people I counsel on 
> > how to work a Mac would be even less inclined to encounter it. 
> 
> The default screen capture image format can't actually be changed in
> versions earlier than Mac OS X 10.4. 

yes it most certainly can be changed.

> For those you don't like using the Terminal, some of the third party
> applications like TinkerTool allow you to change the format (where
> possible) among other "hidden" settings.

you might try running that on 10.1-10.3.

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#62081

Okay, so one time? In band camp? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:38:14 -0700 <2014070717381483288-xxx@yyyzzz>
> On 2014-07-07 22:04:12 +0000, nospam said:

>> In article <080720140926072123%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
>>>>>> file not a PICT file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> pict has been deprecated. however, the screen capture format can be
>>>>> changed to any of several formats, including pict for snow leopard and
>>>>> earlier.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 
>>>> defaults write com.apple.screencapture type jpg ; killall SystemUIServer
>>> 
>>> The original (and only) option in early versions of Mac OS X was for
>>> screenshots to be saved as PDFs ... which is annoyingly silly since
>>> they only contain a bitmap image anyway.
>> 
>> it could be changed at least as far back as 10.1.

> Via a command-line in Terminal?  That's about as oblique as it gets for 
> the average user. Hell, I suppose I'd prefer a jpeg and generally trust 
> input from usenet, but when I see "killall" in a terminal line it does 
> give me the heebie-jeebies.  I would think the many people I counsel on 
> how to work a Mac would be even less inclined to encounter it. 

killall just lets you see the change without logging out, it is not a
necessary step.

there are many GUI tools that will allow you to change the file format.

-- 
There is something to be said for grace and respect but humour alway
helps - Toby Morris

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#62058

In article <2014070709285879403-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr  <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>On 2014-05-23 15:44:00 +0000, jahrlind@gmail.com said:
>
>> On Sunday, 25 February 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Owen Hopkins  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hold down shift and command (Apple button) amd press 3.  A PICT is
>>> created in the main level of the startup volume.  Simpletext will let
>>> you view and crop the image.  You can get software that allows more
>>> sophisticated screen grabbing than this but I don't know what it is.
>>> Hope this helps.
>
>I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png 
>file not a PICT file.

Ummm, you didn't notice the date of that posting, did you? Or the comments
about the date that were made in followup postings in the last month?

Cmd-Shift3 and Cmd-Shift-4 *did* create a PICT file in 1996!

BTW, I use Cmd-Shift-4 almost every day, along with Print to PDF. Those
two tools are wonderful for capturing online orders, including the steps
leading up to the final order confirmation (that last one being all that's
sent to you in confirmation emails). Just yesterday, I got a $5 refund
from a company because I found a screenshot from a month or so ago showing
that there had been a July expiration date on some promotional credit that
somehow got changed to a June expiration before I could use it. When I 
sent the screenshot proving that the data was supposed to be in July, they
reinstated the credit. I also use Cmd-Shift-4 to grab screenshots from
FlightAware, the ISS High Definition Earthview experiment, etc. Very handy!


Patty

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#62062

On 2014-07-07 20:22:37 +0000, Patty Winter said:

> In article <2014070709285879403-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr  <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2014-05-23 15:44:00 +0000, jahrlind@gmail.com said:
>> 
>>> On Sunday, 25 February 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Owen Hopkins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hold down shift and command (Apple button) amd press 3.  A PICT is
>>>> created in the main level of the startup volume.  Simpletext will let
>>>> you view and crop the image.  You can get software that allows more
>>>> sophisticated screen grabbing than this but I don't know what it is.
>>>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> I assume it makes has no conspicuous difference, but it produces a png
>> file not a PICT file.
> 
> Ummm, you didn't notice the date of that posting, did you? Or the comments
> about the date that were made in followup postings in the last month?

Yes, I noticed the dates referenced in the posting, but didn't look at 
all interim messages that may have been in the thread over the years.

> Cmd-Shift3 and Cmd-Shift-4 *did* create a PICT file in 1996!

Did you notice that I was speaking in the present tense? I suppose it's 
always wise to state it in chronological context: "During this year, 
2014, the current format is..."

> BTW, I use Cmd-Shift-4 almost every day, along with Print to PDF. Those
> two tools are wonderful for capturing online orders, including the steps
> leading up to the final order confirmation (that last one being all that's
> sent to you in confirmation emails).

They are wonderful for myriad tasks: I use Cmd-Shift-4 many times every 
week for half a dozen different reasons. And almost every time I point 
it out, looking over the shoulder of another Mac user, they always seem 
amazed that it's there.

> Just yesterday, I got a $5 refund
> from a company because I found a screenshot from a month or so ago showing
> that there had been a July expiration date on some promotional credit that
> somehow got changed to a June expiration before I could use it. When I
> sent the screenshot proving that the data was supposed to be in July, they
> reinstated the credit. I also use Cmd-Shift-4 to grab screenshots from
> FlightAware, the ISS High Definition Earthview experiment, etc. Very handy!
> 
> 
> Patty

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