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  Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 16:38 -0400
    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 16:41 -0400
      Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-09 09:23 +1200
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-06-10 10:25 +0200
    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-08 17:39 -0400
    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-06-08 21:54 +0000
      Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 18:35 -0400
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 15:45 -0700
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-06-08 17:45 -0700
            Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-09 13:07 +1200
              Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 08:43 -0400
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-06-09 06:12 -0700
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 08:40 -0400
            Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-06-10 10:34 +0200
              Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 08:38 -0400
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-10 17:52 +0100
                  Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 17:22 -0400
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-08 20:01 -0400
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-09 13:09 +1200
            Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-09 05:49 +0200
              Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-09 11:36 -0400
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-06-10 10:36 +0200
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-11 00:33 +1200
                  Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-06-10 22:50 -0500
                    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-11 06:15 +0200
                      Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 00:41 -0400
                        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-12 00:38 -0500
                          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 21:10 -0400
                    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-11 17:27 +1200
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... billy@MIX.COM - 2015-06-09 00:37 +0000
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-09 05:50 +0200
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-06-09 02:46 +0000

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#76403 — Capitan mi Capitan ...

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup

So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76404

In article <5575fd56$0$40803$b1db1813$79461190@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> 
> So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?

Okay, I take it all back ...

<http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/06/if-your-mac-or-ithing-runs-yosemite
-or-ios-8-it-can-run-el-capitan-and-ios-9/>
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76405

Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <5575fd56$0$40803$b1db1813$79461190@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> > 
> > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?
> 
> Okay, I take it all back ...
> 
> <http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/06/if-your-mac-or-ithing-runs-yosemite
> -or-ios-8-it-can-run-el-capitan-and-ios-9/>

Caveat: Apple hasn't published an official list. The Ars article is
presumably based on the first developer beta, and system requirements
may change between now and the general release.

This has happened before, e.g. Leopard's minimum CPU speed increased
during the pre-release period.

No mention of memory requirements either: if Apple was to raise the
minimum to 4 GB, some MacBook Airs with fixed 2 GB of memory would no
longer be supported.

It at least suggests that Apple is trying to keep supporting every Mac
which is supported by the current OS X version.

If the list holds, the oldest supported model (Mid 2007 MacBook Pro)
will be the new record holder: discontinued Feb 2008, will able to run
the latest OS X until at least late 2016.

The previous record holder was the Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White),
discontinued Aug 1999 and no longer able to run the latest OS X as of
Leopard in Oct 2007.
-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76449

On 2015-06-08, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <5575fd56$0$40803$b1db1813$79461190@news.astraweb.com>,
>>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
>> > 
>> > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?
>> 
>> Okay, I take it all back ...
>> 
>> <http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/06/if-your-mac-or-ithing-runs-yosemite
>> -or-ios-8-it-can-run-el-capitan-and-ios-9/>
>
> Caveat: Apple hasn't published an official list. The Ars article is
> presumably based on the first developer beta, and system requirements
> may change between now and the general release.

My reaction on reading that headline was that they missed out the word
"well".  Having just upgraded my late 2012 model Mac mini from the 4GB
it came with to 16GB RAM, the difference in performance is quite
stunning.

> This has happened before, e.g. Leopard's minimum CPU speed increased
> during the pre-release period.
>
> No mention of memory requirements either: if Apple was to raise the
> minimum to 4 GB, some MacBook Airs with fixed 2 GB of memory would no
> longer be supported.
>
> It at least suggests that Apple is trying to keep supporting every Mac
> which is supported by the current OS X version.

This is good news.  It was frustrating to see more and more apps
disappear from reach when I was stuck on a G4 PowerBook.

> If the list holds, the oldest supported model (Mid 2007 MacBook Pro)
> will be the new record holder: discontinued Feb 2008, will able to run
> the latest OS X until at least late 2016.

> The previous record holder was the Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White),
> discontinued Aug 1999 and no longer able to run the latest OS X as of
> Leopard in Oct 2007.


-- 
I don't know what the language of the year 2000 will look like, but I
know it will be called Fortran.                    -- Tony Hoare 1982

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#76406

On 2015-06-08 16:38, Warren Oates wrote:
> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
>
> So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?


It appears they will relegate more of the UI rendering to OpenCL/GL 
which would free up a lot of processing time for the CPU.  Claim of up 
to 40% improvement.  Depending on use that could boost the life of a 
machine somewhat.  (I wonder how Photoshop CS 5 rendering would be 
affected (if at all)).  Perhaps video playback will be less prone to 
occasional hesitations now.

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#76407

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:38:46 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> 
> So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?

I will just continue to run my iMac 9,1 with Snow Leopard.  I have no 
need for any upgrades.  My main machines run Scientific Linux 6.6, those 
are the ones that I depend on.

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#76408

In article <ml52u0$7sh$2@dont-email.me>,
 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:38:46 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
> 
> > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> > 
> > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?
> 
> I will just continue to run my iMac 9,1 with Snow Leopard.  I have no 
> need for any upgrades.  My main machines run Scientific Linux 6.6, those 
> are the ones that I depend on.

I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76409

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-7, Warren Oates wrote:
> I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.

I shave with a straight razor and sometimes write with a fountain pen.
With bottled ink too; none of this new-fangled cartridge ink nonsense.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#76413

On Jun 8, 2015, Király wrote
(in article<76cdb53d-dbb6-44c6-814e-ba2063dc55c1@googlegroups.com>):

> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-7, Warren Oates wrote:
> > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages
> > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear
> > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on
> > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
> 
> I shave with a straight razor and sometimes write with a fountain pen.
> With bottled ink too; none of this new-fangled cartridge ink nonsense.

Shave? What is this shave of which you speak?

Fountain pen? Bottled ink? If a chisel and tablet was good enough for my 
forefathers, it is good enough for me.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

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#76414

In article <0001HW.1B266E9D02B217421148833CF@news.giganews.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2015, Király wrote
> (in article<76cdb53d-dbb6-44c6-814e-ba2063dc55c1@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-7, Warren Oates wrote:
> > > 
> > > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages
> > > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear
> > > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on
> > > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
> > 
> > I shave with a straight razor and sometimes write with a fountain pen.
> > With bottled ink too; none of this new-fangled cartridge ink nonsense.
> 
> Shave? What is this shave of which you speak?
> 
> Fountain pen? Bottled ink? If a chisel and tablet was good enough for my 
> forefathers, it is good enough for me.

Chisel?? Tablet?? These youngsters and their new fangled gadgets.
Finger painting on cave walls using squashed berries and animal blood
is good enough and lasts for millennia.   ;-)

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#76420

In article <090620151307096871%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Chisel?? Tablet?? These youngsters and their new fangled gadgets.
> Finger painting on cave walls using squashed berries and animal blood
> is good enough and lasts for millennia.   ;-)

Walls? You have walls?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76421

On 6/9/15   PDT 5:43 AM, Warren Oates wrote:
> In article <090620151307096871%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> Chisel?? Tablet?? These youngsters and their new fangled gadgets.
>> Finger painting on cave walls using squashed berries and animal blood
>> is good enough and lasts for millennia.   ;-)
>
> Walls? You have walls?

Me beat hollow log. Send message quick. And at over 256 baud.

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#76419

In article <76cdb53d-dbb6-44c6-814e-ba2063dc55c1@googlegroups.com>,
 Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-7, Warren Oates wrote:
> > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
> 
> I shave with a straight razor and sometimes write with a fountain pen.
> With bottled ink too; none of this new-fangled cartridge ink nonsense.

When I was a (much) younger man, I really did shave with straight razors 
that had belonged to my grandfather. I had them sharpened by an elderly 
Russian cutler (now long since gone) on Bleury Street and he sold me a 
cute little strop. The ladies thought is very manly. As for the ink, my 
father signed with a fountain pen his whole life; black ink.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76450

On 2015-06-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <76cdb53d-dbb6-44c6-814e-ba2063dc55c1@googlegroups.com>,
>  Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-7, Warren Oates wrote:
>> > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
>> > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
>> > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
>> > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
>> 
>> I shave with a straight razor and sometimes write with a fountain pen.
>> With bottled ink too; none of this new-fangled cartridge ink nonsense.
>
> When I was a (much) younger man, I really did shave with straight razors 
> that had belonged to my grandfather. I had them sharpened by an elderly 
> Russian cutler (now long since gone) on Bleury Street and he sold me a 
> cute little strop. The ladies thought is very manly. As for the ink, my 
> father signed with a fountain pen his whole life; black ink.

My father did the same, and always black ink.  My hairdresser (and since
he retired, his daughter) still use a cut throat razor round the ears
and the back of my neck as a finishing touch to a cut.

-- 
I don't know what the language of the year 2000 will look like, but I
know it will be called Fortran.                    -- Tony Hoare 1982

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#76456

In article <ud9l4c-8mm.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> My father did the same, and always black ink.  My hairdresser (and since
> he retired, his daughter) still use a cut throat razor round the ears
> and the back of my neck as a finishing touch to a cut.

A lot of barbers do that. Not where I live now, but in Montreal, Tommy 
on St-Viateur (a true English Canadian will pronounce that "saint 
vee-ay-tur") always used to finish off with a straight razor.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76465

In article <55782fe4$0$18875$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <ud9l4c-8mm.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
> Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>
>> My father did the same, and always black ink.  My hairdresser (and since
>> he retired, his daughter) still use a cut throat razor round the ears
>> and the back of my neck as a finishing touch to a cut.
>
>A lot of barbers do that. Not where I live now, but in Montreal, Tommy 
>on St-Viateur (a true English Canadian will pronounce that "saint 
>vee-ay-tur") always used to finish off with a straight razor.

A cut throat is the usual thing around here for finishing off the back
of my neck.

-- 
"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then 
 quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)

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#76473

In article <100620151752165957%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <55782fe4$0$18875$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>,
> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >In article <ud9l4c-8mm.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
> > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> >
> >> My father did the same, and always black ink.  My hairdresser (and since
> >> he retired, his daughter) still use a cut throat razor round the ears
> >> and the back of my neck as a finishing touch to a cut.
> >
> >A lot of barbers do that. Not where I live now, but in Montreal, Tommy 
> >on St-Viateur (a true English Canadian will pronounce that "saint 
> >vee-ay-tur") always used to finish off with a straight razor.
> 
> A cut throat is the usual thing around here for finishing off the back
> of my neck.

... and then meat pies for supper ...
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#76410

In article <557618cd$0$54696$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <ml52u0$7sh$2@dont-email.me>,
>  sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:38:46 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
> > 
> > > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> > > 
> > > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?
> > 
> > I will just continue to run my iMac 9,1 with Snow Leopard.  I have no 
> > need for any upgrades.  My main machines run Scientific Linux 6.6, those 
> > are the ones that I depend on.
> 
> I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.

You, too??
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#76415

In article <HvidnU5kkrBZsevInZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <557618cd$0$54696$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <ml52u0$7sh$2@dont-email.me>,
> >  sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:38:46 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> > > > 
> > > > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming transmogrification?
> > > 
> > > I will just continue to run my iMac 9,1 with Snow Leopard.  I have no 
> > > need for any upgrades.  My main machines run Scientific Linux 6.6, those 
> > > are the ones that I depend on.
> > 
> > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
> 
> You, too??

Wait ... you guys dig a hole?!? Geez, all the new conveniences where
you live. If the bare ground is good enough for the animals, it's good
enough for us.

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#76417

In article <090620151309385761%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <HvidnU5kkrBZsevInZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In article <557618cd$0$54696$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
> >  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <ml52u0$7sh$2@dont-email.me>,
> > >  sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:38:46 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
> > > > > 
> > > > > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming 
> > > > > transmogrification?
> > > > 
> > > > I will just continue to run my iMac 9,1 with Snow Leopard.  I have no 
> > > > need for any upgrades.  My main machines run Scientific Linux 6.6, 
> > > > those 
> > > > are the ones that I depend on.
> > > 
> > > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> > > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> > > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> > > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
> > 
> > You, too??
> 
> Wait ... you guys dig a hole?!? 

It's the law...

Geez, all the new conveniences where
> you live. If the bare ground is good enough for the animals, it's good
> enough for us.
-- 
teleportation kills

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