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| Started by | Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2014-02-08 16:43 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-02-08 12:59 -0500 |
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Internet connection Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 16:43 +0000
Re: Internet connection Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-08 11:53 -0500
Re: Internet connection Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 17:13 +0000
Re: Internet connection Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-08 12:18 -0500
Re: Internet connection Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 10:35 -0700
Re: Internet connection Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 17:25 +0000
Re: Internet connection Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 10:37 -0700
Re: Internet connection Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 21:09 +0000
Re: Internet connection Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 12:27 -0500
Re: Internet connection Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 10:38 -0700
Re: Internet connection Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-02-08 17:16 -0800
Re: Internet connection David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2014-02-08 11:38 -0600
Re: Internet connection JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-08 12:59 -0500
| From | Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 16:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Internet connection |
| Message-ID | <695223331413570212.800775michelle-michelle.org@news.eternal-september.org> |
I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone can connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off mobile data on the iPhone to make sure the connection was through the router. If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the Genius Bar. Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to resort to that? -- Michelle -- Sent from my iPhone
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 11:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <hoGdnSOftqKP_GvPnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56225 |
On 2014.02.08, 11:43 , Michelle wrote:
> I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with
> Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone can
> connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off mobile data on
> the iPhone to make sure the connection was through the router.
>
> If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the Genius Bar.
> Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to resort to that?
- restart your router (unplug and replug is usually enough, or maybe 30+
seconds)
- turn off, and turn back on the WiFi service in the router menu
- force a new DHCP reservation in the router menus (I seem to recall you
set it to some really long period)
- force a new DHCP reservation in sys prefs - (Disconnect/Connect)
- restart your computer
- restart your cable modem - I know this doesn't sound right, but it has
cleared things here before.
I very much doubt you need to go to the g-bar.
--
Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
- Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.
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| From | Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 17:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1167615888413572048.187982michelle-michelle.org@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #56227 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.02.08, 11:43 , Michelle wrote: >> I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with >> Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone can >> connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off mobile data on >> the iPhone to make sure the connection was through the router. >> >> If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the Genius Bar. >> Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to resort to that? > > - restart your router (unplug and replug is usually enough, or maybe 30+ seconds) > - turn off, and turn back on the WiFi service in the router menu > - force a new DHCP reservation in the router menus (I seem to recall you > set it to some really long period) > - force a new DHCP reservation in sys prefs - (Disconnect/Connect) > - restart your computer > - restart your cable modem - I know this doesn't sound right, but it has > cleared things here before. > > I very much doubt you need to go to the g-bar. I tried all of the physical items except turning off the computer. I'll try turning it off and on; if that doesn't work, I'll try the software suggestions. Thanks -- Michelle -- Sent from my iPad
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 12:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <O7KdneyqAdZV-2vPnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56229 |
On 2014.02.08, 12:13 , Michelle wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.08, 11:43 , Michelle wrote:
>>> I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with
>>> Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone can
>>> connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off mobile data on
>>> the iPhone to make sure the connection was through the router.
>>>
>>> If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the Genius Bar.
>>> Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to resort to that?
>>
>> - restart your router (unplug and replug is usually enough, or maybe 30+ seconds)
>> - turn off, and turn back on the WiFi service in the router menu
>> - force a new DHCP reservation in the router menus (I seem to recall you
>> set it to some really long period)
>> - force a new DHCP reservation in sys prefs - (Disconnect/Connect)
>> - restart your computer
>> - restart your cable modem - I know this doesn't sound right, but it has
>> cleared things here before.
>>
>> I very much doubt you need to go to the g-bar.
>
> I tried all of the physical items except turning off the computer. I'll
> try turning it off and on; if that doesn't work, I'll try the software
> suggestions.
Assuming this gets to you, restarting the computer should be the last
thing. Forcing DHCP reservation renewal is a pretty good bet.
--
Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
people are not trained to perform.
- Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 10:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <080220141035201609%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #56230 |
In article <O7KdneyqAdZV-2vPnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > I tried all of the physical items except turning off the computer. I'll > > try turning it off and on; if that doesn't work, I'll try the software > > suggestions. > > Assuming this gets to you, restarting the computer should be the last > thing. Forcing DHCP reservation renewal is a pretty good bet. I turned off the computer, turned it back on, and went to do some household chores while it restarted; now it works.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bln7krFmsdjU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56229 |
On 2014-02-08, Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >> On 2014.02.08, 11:43 , Michelle wrote: >>> >>> I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with >>> Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone >>> can connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off >>> mobile data on the iPhone to make sure the connection was through >>> the router. >>> >>> If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the >>> Genius Bar. Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to >>> resort to that? >> >> - restart your router (unplug and replug is usually enough, or maybe >> 30+ seconds) >> - turn off, and turn back on the WiFi service in the router menu >> - force a new DHCP reservation in the router menus (I seem to recall >> you set it to some really long period) >> - force a new DHCP reservation in sys prefs >> - (Disconnect/Connect) >> - restart your computer >> - restart your cable modem >> - I know this doesn't sound right, but it has cleared things here >> before. >> >> I very much doubt you need to go to the g-bar. > > I tried all of the physical items except turning off the computer. > I'll try turning it off and on; if that doesn't work, I'll try the > software suggestions. Is your router perhaps configured with MAC filtering enabled? If so, you probably need to add the iMac's MAC address(es) to allow it to join the network. Also, I recommend turning that feature off - more trouble than it's worth. What are the symptoms? Do you get an IP address in System Preferences > Network at all? If so, what is it? Are there values in the Router, DNS, and Search Domains fields? Have you checked the system / console logs to see if there are any messages posted there when you try to connect? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 10:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <080220141037409993%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #56231 |
In article <bln7krFmsdjU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > Is your router perhaps configured with MAC filtering enabled? If so, you > probably need to add the iMac's MAC address(es) to allow it to join the > network. Also, I recommend turning that feature off - more trouble than > it's worth. Never had it turned on. > What are the symptoms? Do you get an IP address in System Preferences > > Network at all? If so, what is it? Are there values in the Router, DNS, > and Search Domains fields? There were values in all those fields. > Have you checked the system / console logs to see if there are any > messages posted there when you try to connect? I didn't check there, but I did use connection doctor; it wasn't very helpful, though. As I wrote to Alan, turning the computer off and then on again fixed the problem.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 21:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <blnkniFqau0U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56236 |
On 2014-02-08, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <bln7krFmsdjU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> Is your router perhaps configured with MAC filtering enabled? If so, you >> probably need to add the iMac's MAC address(es) to allow it to join the >> network. Also, I recommend turning that feature off - more trouble than >> it's worth. > > Never had it turned on. > >> What are the symptoms? Do you get an IP address in System Preferences > >> Network at all? If so, what is it? Are there values in the Router, DNS, >> and Search Domains fields? > > There were values in all those fields. That's not what I asked. >> Have you checked the system / console logs to see if there are any >> messages posted there when you try to connect? > > I didn't check there, but I did use connection doctor; it wasn't very > helpful, though. > > As I wrote to Alan, turning the computer off and then on again fixed > the problem. Ok. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 12:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52f66916$0$50734$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #56225 |
In article <695223331413570212.800775michelle-michelle.org@news.eternal-september.o rg>, Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with > Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone can > connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off mobile data on > the iPhone to make sure the connection was through the router. > > If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the Genius Bar. > Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to resort to that? > > -- Michelle Can you connect to the router's setup page? -- Where's the Vangelis music? Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her. They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene. -- notes for Blade Runner
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 10:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <080220141038584677%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #56233 |
In article <52f66916$0$50734$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: > Can you connect to the router's setup page? The router is an Airport Extreme, but I had not tried using the Airport app. I should have.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 17:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-5670CD.17162908022014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56238 |
In article <080220141038584677%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <52f66916$0$50734$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, > Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Can you connect to the router's setup page? > > The router is an Airport Extreme, but I had not tried using the Airport > app. I should have. From the terminal, you can do a bunch of things to diagnose the connectivity problem. Are your network interfaces active? ifconfig -a will show you that. % ifconfig -a lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384 options=3<RXCSUM,TXCSUM> inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 gif0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1280 stf0: flags=0<> mtu 1280 en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 options=b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_HWTAGGING> ether 00:25:00:f2:0a:c2 inet6 fe80::225:ff:fef2:ac2%en0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet 192.168.1.101 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>) status: active en1: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 options=b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_HWTAGGING> ether 00:25:00:f2:58:4a media: autoselect (<unknown type>) status: inactive en2: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 ether 90:f6:52:e5:87:d6 inet6 fe80::92f6:52ff:fee5:87d6%en2 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 inet 192.168.1.76 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: autoselect status: active p2p0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 2304 ether 02:f6:52:e5:87:d6 media: autoselect status: active fw0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 4078 lladdr 04:1e:64:ff:fe:f9:78:d6 media: autoselect <full-duplex> status: inactive Can you ping the router's IP address? % ping 192.168.1.254 PING 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=1.438 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1.276 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=1.660 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=1.272 ms ^C --- 192.168.1.254 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.272/1.411/1.660/0.158 ms Can you ping your phone's IP address? It should have one if it's on your network. % ping 192.168.1.70 PING 192.168.1.70 (192.168.1.70): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.70: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=94.528 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.70: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=122.016 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.70: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=35.204 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.70: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=57.032 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.70: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=80.157 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.70: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=103.782 ms ^C --- 192.168.1.70 ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 35.204/82.120/122.016/29.009 ms What's the routing information? netstat -nr will show you that. % netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 192.168.1.254 UGSc 37 0 en0 default 192.168.1.254 UGScI 0 0 en2 127 127.0.0.1 UCS 0 0 lo0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 11 367926 lo0 169.254 link#4 UCS 0 0 en0 192.168.1 link#4 UCS 5 0 en0 192.168.1 link#6 UCSI 4 0 en2 192.168.1.68 68:a8:6d:4a:d1:6e UHLWIi 0 0 en0 972 192.168.1.68 68:a8:6d:4a:d1:6e UHLWIi 0 0 en2 972 192.168.1.69 3c:7:54:6a:34:68 UHLWIi 0 0 en0 972 192.168.1.69 3c:7:54:6a:34:68 UHLWIi 0 0 en2 973 192.168.1.70 18:e7:f4:19:68:e9 UHLWIi 0 6 en0 1172 192.168.1.76 127.0.0.1 UHS 0 6 lo0 192.168.1.101 127.0.0.1 UHS 2 6 lo0 192.168.1.254 0:21:7c:89:2a:81 UHLWIir 38 3891 en0 1200 192.168.1.254 0:21:7c:89:2a:81 UHLWIi 0 0 en2 1200 192.168.1.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWbI 0 47 en0 192.168.1.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWbI 0 3 en2 If you see the router as the default gateway, then can you ping anything on the outside, like one of google's DNS servers % ping 8.8.8.8 PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=43.348 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=43.282 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=42.012 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=45 time=42.747 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=49 time=42.191 ms ^C --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 42.012/42.716/43.348/0.546 ms If you can see packets outside your network (e.g. to google's DNS), then your network is routing them OK. If you try the same with a name instead of an IP address and it works, then your network should be OK. % ping www.google.com PING www.google.com (74.125.194.106): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 74.125.194.106: icmp_seq=0 ttl=45 time=72.828 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.194.106: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=71.311 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.194.106: icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=71.884 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.194.106: icmp_seq=3 ttl=45 time=71.403 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.194.106: icmp_seq=4 ttl=45 time=71.563 ms ^C --- www.google.com ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 71.311/71.798/72.828/0.551 ms At some point along this tree, something will fail. If you can't get outside your network, your ISP may be having an outage. It happens sometimes. Go to a movie and see if it's working when you get home. If you can't ping the AE, then it might be the problem. What happens if you plug the cable modem directly into your system? -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 11:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.OSX.2.11.1402081126120.49602@mako.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #56225 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 08 February 2014 16:43 -0000, in article <695223331413570212.800775michelle-michelle.org@news.eternal-september.org>, Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Itried connecting with > Ethernet and via wifi to my router with no success. But my iPhone > can connect, using the same router and cable modem. I turned off > mobile data on the iPhone to make sure the connection was through > the router. > If this doesn't clear up, I'll have to take the computer to the > Genius Bar. Any suggestions for trouble shooting before I have to > resort to that? Michelle, what are the IPv4 addresses you're seeing in the System Preferences => Network pane? From the description, it sounds as though they may be self (internal) assigned IP addresses. These may be recognizable, as appearing in ranges, outside what you've set up for your DHCP. If this is what you're seeing, Alan's responses are good, though you may be able to narrow things down, depending on the way your LAN is set up. If your modem or gateway are also assigning addresses on the LAN, using DHCP, shut down the computer, unplug the router for about thirty seconds. After plugging the router back in, wait until its connection to the Internet has been established, then boot up. If you are using an outboard router, instead of one in your modem or gateway, you can leave the modem alone, and follow the same steps, as above, only by unplugging the router, while the computer is turned off.. With a little luck, all should be well. - -- David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> Be kind to animals; kiss a shark. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAlL2a4gACgkQUrwpmRoS3uu1/ACgsYEzwqaJXTPZP/e2dj3HvgaD GF0AoISd9EVFqZgn+G9ySOF/LtuHtsMd =9RIX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 12:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52f67082$0$1300$c3e8da3$50776f34@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #56225 |
On 14-02-08 11:43, Michelle wrote: > I can't connect to the internet with my iMac. Forget wi-fi for now, try to debig the wired one. In the system preferences/network , does the ethernet show up as green or red ? (It should show "Connected" or "Not Connected" below Ethernet 1 If your ethernet is connected, then select it, click "Advanced" and TCPIP: What is the IPv4 Address subnet and router that are there ? If DHCP fails, then you get self assigned IP address If your ethernet is not connected, then in Advanced, click "ethernet". Is it set to negotiate automatically ? Plug and unploug the ethernet cable at both ends to make sure it is done right. If the ethernet is connected, then you likely have a DHCP problem , so more questiosn on how to debug will follow.
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