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  Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 13:50 -0700
    Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-07 10:41 -0500
      Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-07 09:49 -0600
        Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-07 12:51 -0500
          Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:23 -0700
            Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-08 06:59 -0600
        Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-08 08:54 +1300
          Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-07 14:02 -0600
        Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2013-11-07 15:37 -0500
        Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-07 18:31 -0500
          Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:24 -0700
          Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-08 11:14 -0500
            Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-08 10:37 -0600
              Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-09 09:42 +1300
      Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-07 09:18 -0800
      Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-11-09 02:01 +0000
    Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-07 09:19 -0800
      Re: Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-07 10:25 -0800

#51934 — Apple Addresses iWork For Mac Criticism By Pre-Announcing The Return Of Many Features

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

About the new iWork for Mac: Features and compatibility
Learn about the new iWork for Mac.
The new iWork applications‹Pages, Numbers, and Keynote‹were released
for Mac on October 22nd. These applications were rewritten from the
ground up to be fully 64-bit and to support a unified file format
between OS X and iOS 7 versions, as well as iWork for iCloud beta.
These apps feature an all-new design with an intelligent format panel
and many new features such as easy ways to share documents,
Apple-designed styles for objects, interactive charts, new templates,
and new animations in Keynote.
In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork ¹09 were not
available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
features on an ongoing basis.
Some features in upcoming releases in the next 6 months
Pages
   €  Customize toolbar
   €  Vertical ruler
   €  Improved alignment guides
   €  Improved object placement
   €  Import of cells with images
   €  Improved word counts
   €  Keyboard shortcuts for styles
   €  Manage pages and sections from the thumbnail view

Numbers
   €  Customize toolbar
   €  Improvements to zoom and window placement
   €  Multi-column and range sort
   €  Auto-complete text in cells
   €  Page headers and footers
   €  Improvements to AppleScript support

Keynote
   €  Customize toolbar
   €  Restoring old transitions and builds
   €  Improvements to presenter display
   €  Improvements to AppleScript support

In the meanwhile, you can continue to use these features by accessing
the previous versions of the iWork applications which remain installed
on your Mac. The previous versions can be found in Applications > iWork
¹09.

Reverting documents created in the new iWork for Mac applications to
the previous version¹s file format

New or existing documents you open in the new versions of Pages,
Numbers, and Keynote use the new unified file format. These files can¹t
be opened in the previous versions of the iWork applications. To revert
the document file format to the previous version, you can do one of the
following:

   1. Documents that you haven't edited can be reverted to the iWork
¹09 version by selecting File > Revert To.

   2. If you have edited the document and want to preserve the edits,
you can save it as an iWork ¹09 document by selecting File > Export To,
then choosing Pages ¹09, Numbers ¹09, or Keynote ¹09. 

EndNote Compatibility
For information about using EndNote with Pages 5.0 and later, see About
the Pages for Mac EndNote plug-in.
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6009>

Additional Information
For more information about importing and exporting iWork ¹09 documents,
click here.<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5994>

For iWork for Mac help, click here.<http://www.apple.com/support/iwork/>

And to provide feedback, click here.
<http://feedback.apple.com/>

--
FOX =   F[ear] [O]bfuscation [X]enophobia.

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#51985

In article <061120131350481486%foo@bar.com>,
 Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:

> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> 
> ...In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork š09 were not
> available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
> features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
> features on an ongoing basis....

Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of 
the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before 
it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.

Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
cry.

> --
> FOX =   F[ear] [O]bfuscation [X]enophobia.
or
Fascist Oligarchs' eXcrement

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#51986

In article <fmoore-AE0841.10412807112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <061120131350481486%foo@bar.com>,
>  Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> 
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> > 
> > ...In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork ¹09 were not
> > available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
> > features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
> > features on an ongoing basis....
> 
> Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of 
> the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before 
> it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.
> 
> Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
> cry.
> 
> > --
Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)

Assuming it is a response to feedback, it is good that Apple is making
the changes the users want, regardless of reason.

-- 
Lloyd

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#51996

In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>,
 Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-AE0841.10412807112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <061120131350481486%foo@bar.com>,
> >  Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> > > 
> > > ...In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork š09 were not
> > > available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
> > > features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
> > > features on an ongoing basis....
> > 
> > Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of 
> > the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before 
> > it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.
> > 
> > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
> > cry.
> > 
> > > --
> Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)

Damn. Thanks for the correction. I'll blame it on my wife. I asked her. 
But she's a graphic designer, so it probably is hue and cry for her.  ;)

> Assuming it is a response to feedback, it is good that Apple is making
> the changes the users want, regardless of reason.

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#52051

In article <fmoore-DC7D3E.12513207112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> 
> Damn. Thanks for the correction. I'll blame it on my wife. I asked her. 
> But she's a graphic designer, so it probably is hue and cry for her.  ;)

Only if it's the wrong hue.

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#52056

In article <071120132223475325%foo@bar.com>, Michelle Steiner
<foo@bar.com> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-DC7D3E.12513207112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> > 
> > Damn. Thanks for the correction. I'll blame it on my wife. I asked her. 
> > But she's a graphic designer, so it probably is hue and cry for her.  ;)
> 
> Only if it's the wrong hue.

Well if he tells here which it is, you KNOW that will be wrong!  :)

-- 
Lloyd

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#52010

In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-AE0841.10412807112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <061120131350481486%foo@bar.com>,
> >  Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> > > 
> > > ...In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork ¹09 were not
> > > available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
> > > features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
> > > features on an ongoing basis....
> > 
> > Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of 
> > the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before 
> > it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.
> > 
> > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
> > cry.
> > 
> Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
<snip>

Nope, it's "hue" ... because all those whiners going red in the face
with anger and then embarassment.  ;-)

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#52016

In article <081120130854367298%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <fmoore-AE0841.10412807112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> > Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <061120131350481486%foo@bar.com>,
> > >  Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> > > > 
> > > > ...In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork ¹09 were
> > > > not
> > > > available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
> > > > features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
> > > > features on an ongoing basis....
> > > 
> > > Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of 
> > > the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before 
> > > it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.
> > > 
> > > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> > > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
> > > cry.
> > > 
> > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> <snip>
> 
> Nope, it's "hue" ... because all those whiners going red in the face
> with anger and then embarassment.  ;-)

LOL!

-- 
Lloyd

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#52024

Lloyd wrote:
> In article <fmoore-AE0841.10412807112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <061120131350481486%foo@bar.com>,
>>   Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>>>
>>> ...In rewriting these applications, some features from iWork ¹09 were not
>>> available for the initial release. We plan to reintroduce some of these
>>> features in the next few releases and will continue to add brand new
>>> features on an ongoing basis....
>>
>> Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of
>> the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before
>> it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.
>>
>> Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They
>> never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and
>> cry.
>>
>>> --
> Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
>
> Assuming it is a response to feedback, it is good that Apple is making
> the changes the users want, regardless of reason.
>
That's better than some other Software Companies. How about, Microsoft, 
or Adobe,or Intuit. When do they give a rats behind what customers want. 
Its all about how many greenbacks that stuff in pockets of the BOD's and 
the Officers at the top.

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.      "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net    mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net

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#52041

In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>,
 Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
> > cry.
>
> Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)

No, you're wrong:

<http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hue1.htm>

It comes from the Anglo-Norman French legal phrase "hu e cri." This came 
from the Old French "hu" for an outcry.

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#52052

In article <dfmanno-73F3ED.18314807112013@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying.
> > > They never intended to include those features until there was a
> > > broad hue and cry.
> >
> > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> 
> No, you're wrong:
> 
> <http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hue1.htm>
> 
> It comes from the Anglo-Norman French legal phrase "hu e cri." This
> came from the Old French "hu" for an outcry.

Maybe we should ask the alternative Time Lord, Doctor Hue.

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#52059

In article <dfmanno-73F3ED.18314807112013@news.albasani.net>,
 "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:

> In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>,
>  Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
> > Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> > > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and 
> > > cry.
> >
> > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> 
> No, you're wrong:
> 
> <http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hue1.htm>
> 
> It comes from the Anglo-Norman French legal phrase "hu e cri." This came 
> from the Old French "hu" for an outcry.

Thanks, D.F. So my wife was right after all. She usually is in language 
matters. I, on the other hand, am just an illiterate engineer.

> GOP delenda est!

Unfortunately, it's too early to count them out. 

Non Illegitimi carborundum (sigh)

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#52060

In article <fmoore-6FC82C.11144808112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <dfmanno-73F3ED.18314807112013@news.albasani.net>,
>  "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>,
> >  Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They 
> > > > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue
> > > > and 
> > > > cry.
> > >
> > > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> > 
> > No, you're wrong:
> > 
> > <http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hue1.htm>
> > 
> > It comes from the Anglo-Norman French legal phrase "hu e cri." This came 
> > from the Old French "hu" for an outcry.
> 
> Thanks, D.F. So my wife was right after all. She usually is in language 
> matters. I, on the other hand, am just an illiterate engineer.
>

You guys are just old fuddy duddies!!  :)

I, being more modern, would use 'hew'!

> > GOP delenda est!
> 
> Unfortunately, it's too early to count them out. 
> 
> Non Illegitimi carborundum (sigh)

Yeah, it is too early to count them out, but it isn't for lack of
trying on their part...   :)

-- 
Lloyd

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#52071

In article <081120131037304606%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-6FC82C.11144808112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <dfmanno-73F3ED.18314807112013@news.albasani.net>,
> >  "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <071120130949133856%lloydp21@live.com>,
> > >  Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying.
> > > > > They 
> > > > > never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue
> > > > > and 
> > > > > cry.
> > > >
> > > > Uh, that would be 'hew and cry'...   :)
> > > 
> > > No, you're wrong:
> > > 
> > > <http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hue1.htm>
> > > 
> > > It comes from the Anglo-Norman French legal phrase "hu e cri." This came 
> > > from the Old French "hu" for an outcry.
> > 
> > Thanks, D.F. So my wife was right after all. She usually is in language 
> > matters. I, on the other hand, am just an illiterate engineer.
> >
> 
> You guys are just old fuddy duddies!!  :)
> 
> I, being more modern, would use 'hew'!

That version comes from the old woodcutter saying when they've cut down
the wrong tree.  ;-)

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#51993

On 2013-11-07 15:41:28 +0000, Fred Moore said:

> Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying.


Aa-HAA!  The truth is out!

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#52077

On 07/11/2013 15:41, Fred Moore wrote:

> Or really? One wonders why Apple didn't just say so at the release of
> the new version. It would have short-circuited all the brouhaha before
> it ever had a chance to develop a head of steam.

When you announce new software, you never draw attention to what it 
can't do. That would have been a much bigger PR disaster than what 
actually happened.

> Oh wait! Could there possibly another reason? Like they're lying. They
> never intended to include those features until there was a broad hue and
> cry.

I doubt that. Apple has a pretty significant precedent for doing it this 
way: Final Cut Pro X.

-- 
Xbox: GallusNumpty  Steam: scottishwildcat

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#51994

On 2013-11-06 20:50:48 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> 
> About the new iWork for Mac: Features and compatibility
> Learn about the new iWork for Mac.
> The new iWork applications‹Pages, Numbers, and Keynote‹were released
> for Mac on October 22nd. These applications were rewritten from the
> ground up to be fully 64-bit and to support a unified file format
> between OS X and iOS 7 versions, as well as iWork for iCloud beta.

I was quick to download and install them and then go about my business. 
 3 days later I open up Numbers and for the life of me can't figure out 
how to do anything!  It's gonna take some serious getting use to.

I could shriek and claw my eyes, but frankly, I'm pooped. "Oh well" is 
about as good as I can muster...

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#51998

On 2013-11-07 17:19:41 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

> On 2013-11-06 20:50:48 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>> 
>> About the new iWork for Mac: Features and compatibility
>> Learn about the new iWork for Mac.
>> The new iWork applications‹Pages, Numbers, and Keynote‹were released
>> for Mac on October 22nd. These applications were rewritten from the
>> ground up to be fully 64-bit and to support a unified file format
>> between OS X and iOS 7 versions, as well as iWork for iCloud beta.
> 
> I was quick to download and install them and then go about my business. 
>  3 days later I open up Numbers and for the life of me can't figure out 
> how to do anything!  It's gonna take some serious getting use to.
> 
> I could shriek and claw my eyes, but frankly, I'm pooped. "Oh well" is 
> about as good as I can muster...

For what its worth iWork '09 should still be in your applications folder.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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