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| First post | 2013-09-25 08:58 +1200 |
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[NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-25 08:58 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-24 17:50 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-09-25 10:53 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-25 16:43 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models - ping Fred Moore Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:17 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-25 03:21 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-25 16:44 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michael Savich <michaelusenet@icloud.com> - 2013-09-28 16:36 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 17:01 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-29 09:48 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 18:10 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-29 11:45 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 07:23 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-29 13:47 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 17:56 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-29 19:16 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 13:27 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 20:51 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 16:44 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 16:45 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 10:05 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 10:15 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 17:59 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 17:32 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 01:41 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:25 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 16:41 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:07 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 09:08 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 11:39 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 13:42 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 15:48 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 16:30 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:32 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-01 21:34 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 16:03 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:29 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 12:19 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 10:04 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-04 18:33 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-04 19:26 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-05 03:52 -0600
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 10:00 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 23:05 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 09:59 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:14 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:05 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-30 12:14 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:26 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 16:42 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-30 14:06 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:15 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-01 18:35 +0200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 09:15 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 17:08 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:16 +1200
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:34 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 20:49 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 10:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49176 |
On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
>>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
>>>> jpg
>>>
>>> Love it! Thanks.
>>
>> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where
>> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.). :-)
>
> D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help. :-\
>
> <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708
> 07.jpg>
The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare. On the 24" model every port
except the audio input was used. On the 27" every port is used - except
there is no card in the SD slot.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 10:15 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061020131015056473%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49429 |
In article <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote: > > In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > >> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > >> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote: > >>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. > >>>> jpg > >>> > >>> Love it! Thanks. > >> > >> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where > >> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.). :-) > > > > D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help. :-\ > > > > <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708 > > 07.jpg> > > The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare. On the 24" model every port > except the audio input was used. On the 27" every port is used - except > there is no card in the SD slot. A USB hub can help - that will give you only one cable from the iMac to the hub (which can be hidden out of view) for all the USB devices, especially those that don't need to keep being plugged / unplugeed like a printer. Until they have wireless everything (including power), most electronic devices are going to be a mess of wires. Even you TV is probably the same with cables for power, antenna, and varying number of "set top" boxes. A laptop may be great on the move, but once back at a desk it too can be a spaghetti of wires.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 17:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qPOdncPYy94nFs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49477 |
On 2013.10.05 17:15 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
>>>>>> jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Love it! Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where
>>>> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.). :-)
>>>
>>> D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help. :-\
>>>
>>> <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708
>>> 07.jpg>
>>
>> The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare. On the 24" model every port
>> except the audio input was used. On the 27" every port is used - except
>> there is no card in the SD slot.
>
> A USB hub can help - that will give you only one cable from the iMac to
> the hub (which can be hidden out of view) for all the USB devices,
> especially those that don't need to keep being plugged / unplugeed like
> a printer.
Doesn't work with my external DVD reader/burner - could be a power
issue. (unit needs 2 USB connections to get enough juice but the hub
doesn't seem to handle it). It's a powered hub.
I'd rather my USB external drives didn't pass through a hub.
Does work well with the iPhone, GPS and Card reader. Works with the
printer too - but I have had more issues when it went through there...
> Until they have wireless everything (including power), most electronic
Wireless power is a silly idea. Even the closest ones are inefficient
in power transfer - about 60% or so.
> devices are going to be a mess of wires. Even you TV is probably the
> same with cables for power, antenna, and varying number of "set top"
> boxes. A laptop may be great on the move, but once back at a desk it
> too can be a spaghetti of wires.
My television is at the simplest state my televisions have been at in
20+ years. Power and 2 HDMI cables and a monitor cable from the amp (to
set its settings via the screen menu - the amp is not HDMI).
The amp on the other hand is now mostly speaker cables (6 + SW) with
optical and coax audio guzzintas whereas it used to have an analog pair
for each of many components.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 17:32 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061020131732410524%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49480 |
In article <qPOdncPYy94nFs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.10.05 17:15 , Your Name wrote: > > In article <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote: > >>> In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > >>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > >>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> jpg > >>>>> > >>>>> Love it! Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where > >>>> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.). :-) > >>> > >>> D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help. :-\ > >>> > >>> <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708 > >>> 07.jpg> > >> > >> The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare. On the 24" model every port > >> except the audio input was used. On the 27" every port is used - except > >> there is no card in the SD slot. > > > > A USB hub can help - that will give you only one cable from the iMac to > > the hub (which can be hidden out of view) for all the USB devices, > > especially those that don't need to keep being plugged / unplugeed like > > a printer. > > Doesn't work with my external DVD reader/burner - could be a power > issue. (unit needs 2 USB connections to get enough juice but the hub > doesn't seem to handle it). It's a powered hub. > > I'd rather my USB external drives didn't pass through a hub. > > Does work well with the iPhone, GPS and Card reader. Works with the > printer too - but I have had more issues when it went through there... If it's a powered hub, then it should be the same as the iMac - you might still need to use two of the sockets to get enough power though. > > Until they have wireless everything (including power), most electronic > > Wireless power is a silly idea. Even the closest ones are inefficient > in power transfer - about 60% or so. True at the moment, but they're still working on making it better.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 01:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <52490f0d$0$61311$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #49172 |
On 13-09-29 20:51, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote: >> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. >> jpg > > Love it! Thanks. The new MacPro still has a major industrial engineering design flaw. It picks up air from bottom and exhausts it to top. Looks like Jony Ive is to compete against Dyson for vacuum cleaners with the electronic inside the MacPro acting as dust collectors (and giving birth to large dust bunnies. Of course, the MacPro that will be in an plexiglass enclosure on a pedestal at the Smitsonian won't have that problem. But any MacPro on the floor below a desk will. The problem is that the physical design doesn't let you just reverse the fan on top to change airflow direction because it is a blower, not a fan. It would have been quite possible for Ive to still put the blower on top, but just reverse the "ducting" to get output air to flow down the unit and such fresh air from the top. Or put the fan at bottom of unit.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 09:25 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <011020130925569225%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49177 |
In article <52490f0d$0$61311$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-09-29 20:51, Alan Browne wrote: > > On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote: > >> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013. > >> jpg > > > > Love it! Thanks. > > The new MacPro still has a major industrial engineering design flaw. It > picks up air from bottom and exhausts it to top. Looks like Jony Ive is > to compete against Dyson for vacuum cleaners with the electronic inside > the MacPro acting as dust collectors (and giving birth to large dust > bunnies. > > Of course, the MacPro that will be in an plexiglass enclosure on a > pedestal at the Smitsonian won't have that problem. But any MacPro on > the floor below a desk will. > > The problem is that the physical design doesn't let you just reverse the > fan on top to change airflow direction because it is a blower, not a fan. > > It would have been quite possible for Ive to still put the blower on > top, but just reverse the "ducting" to get output air to flow down the > unit and such fresh air from the top. Or put the fan at bottom of unit. All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 16:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5249e1eb$0$46287$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #49188 |
On 13-09-30 17:25, Your Name wrote: > All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a > lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to > the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners. The dense innards of the new Mac Pro and the blower design leads me to believe there will be greater airflow through the unit than normal tower designs. For the current mac pro, it is failrly high on the alminium feet and more importantly, air intake is basically a very large portion of the front grill. So the speed of air through the grill is less because fans can draw air from a large area. This tends to pull dust up less. For the new MacPro, there are small slots at the very bottom of the unit, which means that air will pass through at higher speed through the slots and thus greater chance of them picking up the materials necessary to give birth to large dust bunnies inside. I am really surprised Ive and his team went this route instead of pushing air down the unit. If I know of the problems of dust collection, then surely someone of Ive's stature (and all of his staff) would know of it too.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 20:07 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <011020132007348846%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49190 |
In article <5249e1eb$0$46287$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-09-30 17:25, Your Name wrote: > > > All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a > > lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to > > the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners. > > The dense innards of the new Mac Pro and the blower design leads me to > believe there will be greater airflow through the unit than normal tower > designs. There's quite a breeze that comes out of the back of my old Power Mac and it get very dusty inside. :-) > For the current mac pro, it is failrly high on the alminium feet and > more importantly, air intake is basically a very large portion of the > front grill. So the speed of air through the grill is less because fans > can draw air from a large area. This tends to pull dust up less. > > For the new MacPro, there are small slots at the very bottom of the > unit, which means that air will pass through at higher speed through the > slots and thus greater chance of them picking up the materials necessary > to give birth to large dust bunnies inside. > > I am really surprised Ive and his team went this route instead of > pushing air down the unit. If I know of the problems of dust collection, > then surely someone of Ive's stature (and all of his staff) would know > of it too. A downward version would get pretty much just as dusty inside, as would the area all around the base of the computer. At least with the "chimney" version the dust is being blown out the top to make you sneeze instead. ;-)
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 09:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-3313B3.09085101102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #49209 |
In article <011020132007348846%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > At least with the "chimney" version the dust is being blown out the top > to make you sneeze instead. ;-) Also, as I understand it, the airflow is inside a triangular space devoid of components. The air cools the metal walls of the triangle, and those walls act as a heat sink for the rest of the computer. -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #49190 |
In article <5249e1eb$0$46287$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-09-30 17:25, Your Name wrote: > > > All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a > > lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to > > the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners. > > The dense innards of the new Mac Pro and the blower design leads me to > believe there will be greater airflow through the unit than normal tower > designs. > > For the current mac pro, it is failrly high on the alminium feet The aluminum feet of the current/old Mac Pro put the bottom of the unit only 1.5 inches above the floor. If you think dust primarily exists in the half inch space just above the floor, I have a great deal on bridges that might interest you. I have to clear dust out of mine once or twice a year because it's too large to put on the desk. At least with the new Mac Pro sitting it on a desk is an option. > more importantly, air intake is basically a very large portion of the > front grill. So the speed of air through the grill is less because fans > can draw air from a large area. This tends to pull dust up less. You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust. Until then you're just blowing hot air. > For the new MacPro, there are small slots at the very bottom of the > unit, which means that air will pass through at higher speed through the > slots and thus greater chance of them picking up the materials necessary > to give birth to large dust bunnies inside. More speculation about a machine you've never used... > I am really surprised Ive and his team went this route instead of > pushing air down the unit. If I know of the problems of dust collection, > then surely someone of Ive's stature (and all of his staff) would know > of it too. I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this glaring problem! How do they expect people to use these dust filled computers?! Don't they realize people will spend hours every day dusting their computers rather than getting real work done?? How dare they! Meanwhile... back in the real world... -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-B96A85.11390901102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #49226 |
In article <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting > side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust. > Until then you're just blowing hot air. I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air. -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 13:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jollyroger-F189D6.13422201102013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #49231 |
In article <michelle-B96A85.11390901102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting > > side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust. > > Until then you're just blowing hot air. > > I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air. Mine doubles as a heater in the winter. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 15:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-C3C8B7.15485101102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #49240 |
In article <jollyroger-F189D6.13422201102013@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro > > > sitting side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates > > > more dust. Until then you're just blowing hot air. > > > > I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air. > > Mine doubles as a heater in the winter. It doesn't heat in the Summer? -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 16:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jollyroger-8C568E.16300301102013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #49253 |
In article <michelle-C3C8B7.15485101102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-F189D6.13422201102013@news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro > > > > sitting side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates > > > > more dust. Until then you're just blowing hot air. > > > > > > I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air. > > > > Mine doubles as a heater in the winter. > > It doesn't heat in the Summer? Unfortunately, it does. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-03 16:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <JfCdnRwrTun5SdDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49240 |
On 2013.10.01 16:42 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <michelle-B96A85.11390901102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>,
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting
>>> side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust.
>>> Until then you're just blowing hot air.
>>
>> I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air.
>
> Mine doubles as a heater in the winter.
Since I heat with electricity about 7 - 8 months of the year, I consider
any electric appliance to be 0 electric cost in those months it's all
heat - except the clothes dryer and kitchen stove fan as they "throw"
heat out.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 21:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <524b7843$0$59801$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #49226 |
On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote: > I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this > glaring problem! Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000 series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets. And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly, unless mounted sideways. (remember that Apple no longer makes servers) > Meanwhile... back in the real world... The real world would expect a guy of Ive's experience to have mitigated the problem os dust instead of making it worse. That is what industrial engineering is all about.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-02 16:03 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <021020131603399433%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49261 |
In article <524b7843$0$59801$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote: > > > I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this > > glaring problem! > > Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down > airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000 > series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets. > > And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow > with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the > new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly, unless mounted sideways. > (remember that Apple no longer makes servers) In a recent junk mail magazine there was something about under floor (or maybe under rack) cabling in server rooms supposedly being a bad idea, but I didn't bother reading it. It was probably just advertising for some company selling overhead cabling solutions.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-03 16:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <JfCdneMrTukkTtDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #49261 |
On 2013.10.01 21:34 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this
>> glaring problem!
>
> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down
> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000
> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets.
>
> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow
> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the
But usually down-to-up flow just the same (front to back; bottom to top).
It's a convection convention.
> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly,
Ya think being a 6.6 inch dia. cylinder near 10" high makes it "not rack
friendly".
Spread the word!
>
>> Meanwhile... back in the real world...
>
> The real world would expect a guy of Ive's experience to have mitigated
> the problem os dust instead of making it worse. That is what industrial
> engineering is all about.
The only two mitigations are a relatively clean room (and I've seen a
lot of dust in PDP-11 and VAX cabinets kept in climate controlled
computer rooms) or filters. Filters would require the fans to work
harder or have very large surface areas.
You could put the new Mac Pro into a nice metal box with gasket
feedthroughs and a vent at the top and filtered sides to let air in.
That would keep the dust out. Or open the unit and vacuum every year or so.
--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
-Unknown
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-04 12:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl4tcij.2f98.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #49298 |
In message <JfCdneMrTukkTtDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.10.01 21:34 , JF Mezei wrote: >> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote: >> >>> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this >>> glaring problem! >> >> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down >> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000 >> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets. >> >> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow >> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the > But usually down-to-up flow just the same (front to back; bottom to top). > It's a convection convention. >> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly, > Ya think being a 6.6 inch dia. cylinder near 10" high makes it "not rack > friendly". > Spread the word! Well, you should be able to put 7 or 8 of them on a rack shelf. Let's see, 10" is how many units? 6? I guess you might want to leave another full unit for the convection, so call it 7 Mac Pros in 7U. That's not bad. >> The real world would expect a guy of Ive's experience to have mitigated >> the problem os dust instead of making it worse. That is what industrial >> engineering is all about. > The only two mitigations are a relatively clean room (and I've seen a > lot of dust in PDP-11 and VAX cabinets kept in climate controlled > computer rooms) or filters. Filters would require the fans to work > harder or have very large surface areas. The air flow is up the inside of a center column. The critical components are OUTSIDE of that column, with their heat sinks on the cooling side. Sounds like there will be very little in the way of dust inside the machine. -- I CANNOT ABSOLVE SINS Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF14
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 10:04 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <051020131004139583%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #49323 |
In article <slrnl4tcij.2f98.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <JfCdneMrTukkTtDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > On 2013.10.01 21:34 , JF Mezei wrote: > >> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> > >>> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this > >>> glaring problem! > >> > >> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down > >> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000 > >> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets. > >> > >> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow > >> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the > > > But usually down-to-up flow just the same (front to back; bottom to top). > > > It's a convection convention. > > >> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly, > > > Ya think being a 6.6 inch dia. cylinder near 10" high makes it "not rack > > friendly". > > > Spread the word! > > Well, you should be able to put 7 or 8 of them on a rack shelf. Let's > see, 10" is how many units? 6? I guess you might want to leave another > full unit for the convection, so call it 7 Mac Pros in 7U. That's not > bad. The storage capabilities would be pretty pitiful though (compared to other servers), so you would need at least one or two of those spaces to house external drives.
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