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[NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models

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  [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-25 08:58 +1200
    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-24 17:50 -0400
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-09-25 10:53 -0400
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-25 16:43 -0400
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models - ping Fred Moore Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:17 -0400
    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-25 03:21 +0000
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-25 16:44 -0400
    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michael Savich <michaelusenet@icloud.com> - 2013-09-28 16:36 -0400
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 17:01 -0400
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-29 09:48 +1200
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 18:10 -0400
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-29 11:45 +1200
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 07:23 -0400
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-29 13:47 -0700
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 17:56 -0400
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-29 19:16 -0400
                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 13:27 +1200
                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 20:51 -0400
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 16:44 +1200
                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-09-30 16:45 +1200
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 10:05 -0400
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 10:15 +1300
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 17:59 -0400
                                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 17:32 +1300
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 01:41 -0400
                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:25 +1200
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 16:41 -0400
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:07 +1200
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 09:08 -0700
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 11:39 -0700
                                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 13:42 -0700
                                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 15:48 -0700
                                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-01 16:30 -0700
                                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:32 -0400
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-01 21:34 -0400
                                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 16:03 +1200
                                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:29 -0400
                                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-04 12:19 +0000
                                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 10:04 +1200
                                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-04 18:33 -0400
                                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-04 19:26 -0700
                                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-05 03:52 -0600
                                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 10:00 -0400
                                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 23:05 -0400
                                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 09:59 -0400
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:14 -0400
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:05 -0400
                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-30 12:14 -0700
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 09:26 +1200
                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-09-30 16:42 -0400
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-09-30 14:06 -0700
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:15 +1200
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-01 18:35 +0200
                                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-02 09:15 +1200
                                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 17:08 -0400
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-01 20:16 +1200
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:34 -0400
                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-29 20:49 -0400
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases updated iMac models Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-10-01 11:14 -0700

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#49429

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2013-10-05 10:05 -0400
Message-ID<YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#49176
On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
>>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
>>>> jpg
>>>
>>> Love it!  Thanks.
>>
>> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where
>> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.).   :-)
>
> D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help.  :-\
>
> <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708
> 07.jpg>

The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare.  On the 24" model every port 
except the audio input was used.  On the 27" every port is used - except 
there is no card in the SD slot.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49477

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-06 10:15 +1300
Message-ID<061020131015056473%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#49429
In article <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
> >>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
> >>>> jpg
> >>>
> >>> Love it!  Thanks.
> >>
> >> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where
> >> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.).   :-)
> >
> > D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help.  :-\
> >
> > <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708
> > 07.jpg>
> 
> The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare.  On the 24" model every port 
> except the audio input was used.  On the 27" every port is used - except 
> there is no card in the SD slot.

A USB hub can help - that will give you only one cable from the iMac to
the hub (which can be hidden out of view) for all the USB devices,
especially those that don't need to keep being plugged / unplugeed like
a printer.

Until they have wireless everything (including power), most electronic
devices are going to be a mess of wires. Even you TV is probably the
same with cables for power, antenna, and varying number of "set top"
boxes. A laptop may be great on the move, but once back at a desk it
too can be a spaghetti of wires.

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#49480

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2013-10-05 17:59 -0400
Message-ID<qPOdncPYy94nFs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#49477
On 2013.10.05 17:15 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
>>>>>> jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Love it!  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where
>>>> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.).   :-)
>>>
>>> D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help.  :-\
>>>
>>> <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708
>>> 07.jpg>
>>
>> The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare.  On the 24" model every port
>> except the audio input was used.  On the 27" every port is used - except
>> there is no card in the SD slot.
>
> A USB hub can help - that will give you only one cable from the iMac to
> the hub (which can be hidden out of view) for all the USB devices,
> especially those that don't need to keep being plugged / unplugeed like
> a printer.

Doesn't work with my external DVD reader/burner - could be a power 
issue.  (unit needs 2 USB connections to get enough juice but the hub 
doesn't seem to handle it).  It's a powered hub.

I'd rather my USB external drives didn't pass through a hub.

Does work well with the iPhone, GPS and Card reader.  Works with the 
printer too - but I have had more issues when it went through there...

> Until they have wireless everything (including power), most electronic

Wireless power is a silly idea.  Even the closest ones are inefficient 
in power transfer - about 60% or so.

> devices are going to be a mess of wires. Even you TV is probably the
> same with cables for power, antenna, and varying number of "set top"
> boxes. A laptop may be great on the move, but once back at a desk it
> too can be a spaghetti of wires.

My television is at the simplest state my televisions have been at in 
20+ years.  Power and 2 HDMI cables and a monitor cable from the amp (to 
set its settings via the screen menu - the amp is not HDMI).

The amp on the other hand is now mostly speaker cables (6 + SW) with 
optical and coax audio guzzintas whereas it used to have an analog pair 
for each of many components.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49508

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-06 17:32 +1300
Message-ID<061020131732410524%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#49480
In article <qPOdncPYy94nFs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.10.05 17:15 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <YZGdnXbk4LANgc3PnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2013.09.30 00:45 , Your Name wrote:
> >>> In article <300920131644126478%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> >>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <f-CdnahAMNhnV9XPnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Love it!  Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's similar to this old image comparing an iMac to a Dell PC where
> >>>> both have the same level of equipment (webcam, etc.).   :-)
> >>>
> >>> D'oh!! Pasting in the link might help.  :-\
> >>>
> >>> <http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/imackeyboard_4_200708
> >>> 07.jpg>
> >>
> >> The back of my iMac is a cable nightmare.  On the 24" model every port
> >> except the audio input was used.  On the 27" every port is used - except
> >> there is no card in the SD slot.
> >
> > A USB hub can help - that will give you only one cable from the iMac to
> > the hub (which can be hidden out of view) for all the USB devices,
> > especially those that don't need to keep being plugged / unplugeed like
> > a printer.
> 
> Doesn't work with my external DVD reader/burner - could be a power 
> issue.  (unit needs 2 USB connections to get enough juice but the hub 
> doesn't seem to handle it).  It's a powered hub.
> 
> I'd rather my USB external drives didn't pass through a hub.
> 
> Does work well with the iPhone, GPS and Card reader.  Works with the 
> printer too - but I have had more issues when it went through there...

If it's a powered hub, then it should be the same as the iMac - you
might still need to use two of the sockets to get enough power though.



> > Until they have wireless everything (including power), most electronic
> 
> Wireless power is a silly idea.  Even the closest ones are inefficient 
> in power transfer - about 60% or so.

True at the moment, but they're still working on making it better.

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#49177

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-09-30 01:41 -0400
Message-ID<52490f0d$0$61311$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#49172
On 13-09-29 20:51, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
>> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
>> jpg
> 
> Love it!  Thanks.


The new MacPro still has a major industrial engineering design flaw. It
picks up air from bottom and exhausts it to top.  Looks like Jony Ive is
to compete against Dyson for  vacuum cleaners with the electronic inside
the MacPro acting as dust collectors (and giving birth to large dust
bunnies.


Of course, the MacPro that will be in an plexiglass enclosure on a
pedestal at the Smitsonian won't have that problem. But any MacPro on
the floor below a desk will.

The problem is that the physical design doesn't let you just reverse the
fan on top to change airflow direction because it is a blower, not a fan.

It would have been quite possible for Ive to still put the blower on
top, but just reverse the "ducting"  to get output air to flow down the
unit and such fresh air from the top. Or put the fan at bottom of unit.


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#49188

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-01 09:25 +1200
Message-ID<011020130925569225%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#49177
In article <52490f0d$0$61311$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-09-29 20:51, Alan Browne wrote:
> > On 2013.09.29 21:27 , Your Name wrote:
> >> http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.
> >> jpg
> > 
> > Love it!  Thanks.
> 
> The new MacPro still has a major industrial engineering design flaw. It
> picks up air from bottom and exhausts it to top.  Looks like Jony Ive is
> to compete against Dyson for  vacuum cleaners with the electronic inside
> the MacPro acting as dust collectors (and giving birth to large dust
> bunnies.
> 
> Of course, the MacPro that will be in an plexiglass enclosure on a
> pedestal at the Smitsonian won't have that problem. But any MacPro on
> the floor below a desk will.
> 
> The problem is that the physical design doesn't let you just reverse the
> fan on top to change airflow direction because it is a blower, not a fan.
> 
> It would have been quite possible for Ive to still put the blower on
> top, but just reverse the "ducting"  to get output air to flow down the
> unit and such fresh air from the top. Or put the fan at bottom of unit.

All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a
lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to
the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners.

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#49190

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-09-30 16:41 -0400
Message-ID<5249e1eb$0$46287$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#49188
On 13-09-30 17:25, Your Name wrote:

> All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a
> lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to
> the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners.

The dense innards of the new Mac Pro and the blower design leads me to
believe there will be greater airflow through the unit than normal tower
designs.

For the current mac pro, it is failrly high on the alminium feet and
more importantly, air intake is basically a very large portion of the
front grill. So the speed of air through the grill is less because fans
can draw air from a large area. This tends to pull dust up less.

For the new MacPro, there are small slots at the very bottom of the
unit, which means that air will pass through at higher speed through the
slots and thus greater chance of them picking up the materials necessary
to give birth to large dust bunnies inside.

I am really surprised Ive and his team went this route instead of
pushing air down the unit. If I know of the problems of dust collection,
then surely someone of Ive's stature (and all of his staff) would know
of it too.

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#49209

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-01 20:07 +1200
Message-ID<011020132007348846%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#49190
In article <5249e1eb$0$46287$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-09-30 17:25, Your Name wrote:
> 
> > All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a
> > lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to
> > the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners.
> 
> The dense innards of the new Mac Pro and the blower design leads me to
> believe there will be greater airflow through the unit than normal tower
> designs.

There's quite a breeze that comes out of the back of my old Power Mac
and it get very dusty inside.  :-)



> For the current mac pro, it is failrly high on the alminium feet and
> more importantly, air intake is basically a very large portion of the
> front grill. So the speed of air through the grill is less because fans
> can draw air from a large area. This tends to pull dust up less.
> 
> For the new MacPro, there are small slots at the very bottom of the
> unit, which means that air will pass through at higher speed through the
> slots and thus greater chance of them picking up the materials necessary
> to give birth to large dust bunnies inside.
> 
> I am really surprised Ive and his team went this route instead of
> pushing air down the unit. If I know of the problems of dust collection,
> then surely someone of Ive's stature (and all of his staff) would know
> of it too.

A downward version would get pretty much just as dusty inside, as would
the area all around the base of the computer.

At least with the "chimney" version the dust is being blown out the top
to make you sneeze instead.  ;-)

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#49220

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-10-01 09:08 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-3313B3.09085101102013@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#49209
In article <011020132007348846%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> At least with the "chimney" version the dust is being blown out the top
> to make you sneeze instead.  ;-)

Also, as I understand it, the airflow is inside a triangular space devoid 
of components.  The air cools the metal walls of the triangle, and those 
walls act as a heat sink for the rest of the computer.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49226

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2013-10-01 11:14 -0700
Message-ID<jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>
In reply to#49190
In article <5249e1eb$0$46287$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-09-30 17:25, Your Name wrote:
> 
> > All computers suck up dust, even the ones without fans although to a
> > lesser extent. Since many tower computers already sit on or close to
> > the floor level, they all act as vacuum cleaners.
> 
> The dense innards of the new Mac Pro and the blower design leads me to
> believe there will be greater airflow through the unit than normal tower
> designs.
> 
> For the current mac pro, it is failrly high on the alminium feet

The aluminum feet of the current/old Mac Pro put the bottom of the unit 
only 1.5 inches above the floor. If you think dust primarily exists in 
the half inch space just above the floor, I have a great deal on bridges 
that might interest you. 

I have to clear dust out of mine once or twice a year because it's too 
large to put on the desk. At least with the new Mac Pro sitting it on a 
desk is an option.

> more importantly, air intake is basically a very large portion of the
> front grill. So the speed of air through the grill is less because fans
> can draw air from a large area. This tends to pull dust up less.

You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting 
side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust. 
Until then you're just blowing hot air.

> For the new MacPro, there are small slots at the very bottom of the
> unit, which means that air will pass through at higher speed through the
> slots and thus greater chance of them picking up the materials necessary
> to give birth to large dust bunnies inside.

More speculation about a machine you've never used...

> I am really surprised Ive and his team went this route instead of
> pushing air down the unit. If I know of the problems of dust collection,
> then surely someone of Ive's stature (and all of his staff) would know
> of it too.

I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this 
glaring problem! How do they expect people to use these dust filled 
computers?! Don't they realize people will spend hours every day dusting 
their computers rather than getting real work done?? How dare they!

Meanwhile... back in the real world...

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#49231

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-10-01 11:39 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-B96A85.11390901102013@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#49226
In article <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting 
> side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust. 
> Until then you're just blowing hot air.

I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air.

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#49240

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2013-10-01 13:42 -0700
Message-ID<jollyroger-F189D6.13422201102013@news.individual.net>
In reply to#49231
In article <michelle-B96A85.11390901102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting 
> > side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust. 
> > Until then you're just blowing hot air.
> 
> I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air.

Mine doubles as a heater in the winter.

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#49253

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-10-01 15:48 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-C3C8B7.15485101102013@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#49240
In article <jollyroger-F189D6.13422201102013@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro 
> > > sitting side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates 
> > > more dust. Until then you're just blowing hot air.
> > 
> > I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air.
> 
> Mine doubles as a heater in the winter.

It doesn't heat in the Summer?

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#49255

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2013-10-01 16:30 -0700
Message-ID<jollyroger-8C568E.16300301102013@news.individual.net>
In reply to#49253
In article <michelle-C3C8B7.15485101102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-F189D6.13422201102013@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro 
> > > > sitting side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates 
> > > > more dust. Until then you're just blowing hot air.
> > > 
> > > I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air.
> > 
> > Mine doubles as a heater in the winter.
> 
> It doesn't heat in the Summer?

Unfortunately, it does.

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#49299

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2013-10-03 16:32 -0400
Message-ID<JfCdnRwrTun5SdDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#49240
On 2013.10.01 16:42 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <michelle-B96A85.11390901102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>   Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <jollyroger-C04ADF.11144001102013@news.individual.net>,
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You haven't actually tested your assertion that a new Mac Pro sitting
>>> side by side next to an old Mac Pro actually accumulates more dust.
>>> Until then you're just blowing hot air.
>>
>> I thought it was the Macs that were blowing hot air.
>
> Mine doubles as a heater in the winter.

Since I heat with electricity about 7 - 8 months of the year, I consider 
any electric appliance to be 0 electric cost in those months it's all 
heat - except the clothes dryer and kitchen stove fan as they "throw" 
heat out.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49261

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-10-01 21:34 -0400
Message-ID<524b7843$0$59801$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#49226
On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this 
> glaring problem! 

Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down
airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000
series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets.

And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow
with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the
new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly, unless mounted sideways.
(remember that Apple no longer makes servers)

> Meanwhile... back in the real world...

The real world would expect a guy of Ive's experience to have mitigated
the problem os dust instead of making it worse. That is what industrial
engineering is all about.


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#49263

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-02 16:03 +1200
Message-ID<021020131603399433%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#49261
In article <524b7843$0$59801$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
> > I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this 
> > glaring problem! 
> 
> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down
> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000
> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets.
> 
> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow
> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the
> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly, unless mounted sideways.
> (remember that Apple no longer makes servers)

In a recent junk mail magazine there was something about under floor
(or maybe under rack) cabling in server rooms supposedly being a bad
idea, but I didn't bother reading it. It was probably just advertising
for some company selling overhead cabling solutions.

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#49298

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2013-10-03 16:29 -0400
Message-ID<JfCdneMrTukkTtDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#49261
On 2013.10.01 21:34 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this
>> glaring problem!
>
> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down
> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000
> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets.
>
> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow
> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the

But usually down-to-up flow just the same (front to back; bottom to top).

It's a convection convention.

> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly,

Ya think being a 6.6 inch dia. cylinder near 10" high makes it "not rack 
friendly".

Spread the word!

>
>> Meanwhile... back in the real world...
>
> The real world would expect a guy of Ive's experience to have mitigated
> the problem os dust instead of making it worse. That is what industrial
> engineering is all about.

The only two mitigations are a relatively clean room (and I've seen a 
lot of dust in PDP-11 and VAX cabinets kept in climate controlled 
computer rooms) or filters.  Filters would require the fans to work 
harder or have very large surface areas.

You could put the new Mac Pro into a nice metal box with gasket 
feedthroughs and a vent at the top and filtered sides to let air in. 
That would keep the dust out.  Or open the unit and vacuum every year or so.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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#49323

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-04 12:19 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl4tcij.2f98.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#49298
In message <JfCdneMrTukkTtDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.10.01 21:34 , JF Mezei wrote:
>> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this
>>> glaring problem!
>>
>> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down
>> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000
>> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets.
>>
>> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow
>> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the

> But usually down-to-up flow just the same (front to back; bottom to top).

> It's a convection convention.

>> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly,

> Ya think being a 6.6 inch dia. cylinder near 10" high makes it "not rack 
> friendly".

> Spread the word!

Well, you should be able to put 7 or 8 of them on a rack shelf. Let's
see, 10" is how many units? 6? I guess you might want to leave another
full unit for the convection, so call it 7 Mac Pros in 7U. That's not
bad.

>> The real world would expect a guy of Ive's experience to have mitigated
>> the problem os dust instead of making it worse. That is what industrial
>> engineering is all about.

> The only two mitigations are a relatively clean room (and I've seen a 
> lot of dust in PDP-11 and VAX cabinets kept in climate controlled 
> computer rooms) or filters.  Filters would require the fans to work 
> harder or have very large surface areas.

The air flow is up the inside of a center column. The critical
components are OUTSIDE of that column, with their heat sinks on the
cooling side. Sounds like there will be very little in the way of dust
inside the machine.

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#49336

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-05 10:04 +1200
Message-ID<051020131004139583%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#49323
In article <slrnl4tcij.2f98.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <JfCdneMrTukkTtDPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2013.10.01 21:34 , JF Mezei wrote:
> >> On 13-10-01 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm curious why no other computer manufacturers have addressed this
> >>> glaring problem!
> >>
> >> Digital Equipment's Microvax II in the midsize cabinet had top down
> >> airflow, with air exiting at floor level. Same with the 1990s Vax 4000
> >> series cabinets for both CPU and disk array cabinets.
> >>
> >> And rackmounted gear in a data centre now requires front to back airflow
> >> with cabinets arranged to collect hot air from back of cabinets. So the
> 
> > But usually down-to-up flow just the same (front to back; bottom to top).
> 
> > It's a convection convention.
> 
> >> new MacPro is definitly not rack friendly,
> 
> > Ya think being a 6.6 inch dia. cylinder near 10" high makes it "not rack 
> > friendly".
> 
> > Spread the word!
> 
> Well, you should be able to put 7 or 8 of them on a rack shelf. Let's
> see, 10" is how many units? 6? I guess you might want to leave another
> full unit for the convection, so call it 7 Mac Pros in 7U. That's not
> bad.

The storage capabilities would be pretty pitiful though (compared to
other servers), so you would need at least one or two of those spaces
to house external drives.

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