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[RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-06 14:00 +1200
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-05 23:56 -0400
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-06 16:08 +1200
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-06 00:31 -0400
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-06 05:59 +0000
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-06 21:19 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-06 19:29 +0000
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-07 12:57 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-09 15:23 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-10 11:39 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-10 16:37 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-12 08:12 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-11 16:33 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-12 12:17 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-05-12 05:41 +0000
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-12 02:12 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-12 02:13 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-05-12 00:20 -0700
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-12 21:17 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 02:25 +0000
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-12 21:19 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 15:12 +0000
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-13 09:30 +1200
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-12 18:30 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-12 20:10 -0400
Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-13 12:42 +1200
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-06 05:57 +0000
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-06 05:55 +0000
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-05-06 16:47 -0400
Re: [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-05-06 23:22 -0400
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-06 14:00 +1200 |
| Subject | [RUMOUR] Major Mac OS X revamp at WWDC |
| Message-ID | <060520141400503240%YourName@YourISP.com> |
From PCAuthority.com.au ...
Major Mac OS X revamp could be unveiled next month
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June's WWDC event to see unveiling of OS X Syrah with
"end-to-end" redesign, says report.
Apple has big plans for OS X, according to a new report
and we're going to learn much more about them at next
month Worldwide Developers Conference.
9to5Mac claims that WWDC will see the unveiling of a
revamped Mac operating system, with the jump from the
current OS X Mavericks to OS X Syrah (as it's reportedly
codenamed) being similar to that of iOS 6 to iOS 7.
The report calls it an "end-to-end" redesign, with some
features inspired by iOS 7: similar toggle designs,
sharper window corners, more white space, "more defined
icons across the system". However, it says that Apple
isn't ready to ditch OS X staples like Finder, Mission
Control and multi-window multitasking just yet, so OS X
will remain distinct from its mobile counterpart.
The codename "Syrah" comes from a Californian wine, by
the way. The trend of nods towards Apple's home state
began with OS X Mavericks, and will reportedly continue
with new versions of the desktop OS for the foreseeable
future: other terms for California landmarks like
Diablo, Mammoth and Yosemite have been trademarked by
the company, and it's possible that one of these could
end up being the final name for Mac OS 10.10. All will
doubtless be revealed at WWDC, which begins on 2nd June.
<http://mobile.pcauthority.com.au/Article.aspx?CIID=384477&type=News>
iOS 7 is P-I-G U-G-L-Y and boring (not to mention nearly unusable in
places)!! It simply proves Johnny Ives knows very little about user
interface design. Mac OS X should never go down that silly "flat"
route. :-(
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-05 23:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53685d6a$0$47951$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59150 |
On 14-05-05 22:00, Your Name wrote: > > The report calls it an "end-to-end" redesign, with some > features inspired by iOS 7: similar toggle designs, Are there still those fanbois who deny "Back to Mac" was all about making OS-X more and mroe like IOS ? > isn't ready to ditch OS X staples like Finder, Mission > Control and multi-window multitasking just yet, Yeah, the "just yet" is the key here. Apple should have learned from lack of adoption of new Windows after XP, and how many people chose to stay with the last "pre back to Mac" version: Snow Leopard. Yet, they insist on pushing forwards with undesirable features and now, wanting OS-X to look and feel like early 1990s Lynx browser. > places)!! It simply proves Johnny Ives knows very little about user > interface design. Mac OS X should never go down that silly "flat" > route. :-( I have to wonder what will happen to Jonny Ive and how it will happen. A coup like what they did to Steve Jobs in 1980s ? Early retirement offer ?
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-06 16:08 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <060520141608147266%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #59151 |
In article <53685d6a$0$47951$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-05-05 22:00, Your Name wrote: > > > > The report calls it an "end-to-end" redesign, with some > > features inspired by iOS 7: similar toggle designs, > > Are there still those fanbois who deny "Back to Mac" was all about > making OS-X more and mroe like IOS ? > > > isn't ready to ditch OS X staples like Finder, Mission > > Control and multi-window multitasking just yet, > > Yeah, the "just yet" is the key here. > > Apple should have learned from lack of adoption of new Windows after XP, > and how many people chose to stay with the last "pre back to Mac" > version: Snow Leopard. > > Yet, they insist on pushing forwards with undesirable features and now, > wanting OS-X to look and feel like early 1990s Lynx browser. > > > places)!! It simply proves Johnny Ives knows very little about user > > interface design. Mac OS X should never go down that silly "flat" > > route. :-( > > I have to wonder what will happen to Jonny Ive and how it will happen. A > coup like what they did to Steve Jobs in 1980s ? Early retirement offer ? Stick him in a locked room with a 3D printer and let him print 3D "design" objects to his heart's content, but keep him well away from the software side.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-06 00:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <536865b9$0$47587$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59152 |
On 14-05-06 00:08, Your Name wrote: > Stick him in a locked room with a 3D printer and let him print 3D > "design" objects to his heart's content, but keep him well away from > the software side. Tim Cook has been doing the exact opposite, expanding the field of power given to Ive and handing him the keys to the company. It appears he is to be the new Steve Jobs who has to approve everything that has anything to do with design. That is why I have to wonder how this will end. BTW, anyone know how to get the AppStore/Software Upgrade to stop nagging me about Mavericks upgrade ?
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-06 05:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlmguin.2gr3.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #59153 |
In message <536865b9$0$47587$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > BTW, anyone know how to get the AppStore/Software Upgrade to stop > nagging me about Mavericks upgrade ? Install it. -- Would you say you worship Satan, or do you simply respect his no-nonsense approach to discipline?
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-06 21:19 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <1ll8jzm.qnsex452we2cN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59153 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > BTW, anyone know how to get the AppStore/Software Upgrade to stop > nagging me about Mavericks upgrade ? Send feedback to Apple complaining about it and request a way to stop the notifications. Make sure you give a well reasoned argument why you don't want to upgrade to Mavericks. http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html Better still, file a bug report. In the meantime, on Snow Leopard and Lion you can use Little Snitch to block "Noticeboard" from communicating with Apple's servers. It was added to /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CommerceKit.framework by the recent "Mac App Store Update 1.0" (among other changes). There may be other ways to block this app, e.g. by modifying /System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.noticeboard.plist so that it doesn't run automatically every 6 hours. See here for background: https://discussions.apple.com/message/25171309 A different solution would be needed for Mountain Lion users (or Mavericks users in future) to block these sorts of notices, since these OS X versions have Notification Centre, and will be using a different mechanism to fetch the notices. Possibly "maspushagent" in the same CommerceKit.framework, as I don't see that one on Snow Leopard. A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? I'm aware that App Store shows the advert for Mavericks on its Updates tab whether or not that Mac is able to run Mavericks, but I haven't had long enough with to an older model to test whether the regular notification is also appearing. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-06 19:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <slrnlmie0e.cv3.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #59162 |
In message <1ll8jzm.qnsex452we2cN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? I get the banner in the MAS app on my 10.7 machine that cannot install 10.8 or 10.9, but I've never seen a notification on any machine about Mavericks. -- Granny Weatherwax didn't hold with looking at the future, but now she could feel the future looking at her. She didn't like its expression at all.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-07 12:57 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <1ll9tbh.655brc1lxs2kgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59167 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <1ll8jzm.qnsex452we2cN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> > David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not > > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): > > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? > > I get the banner in the MAS app on my 10.7 machine that cannot install > 10.8 or 10.9, but I've never seen a notification on any machine about > Mavericks. Thanks. That is what I hoped would be the case. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-09 15:23 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <dfmanno-C118E6.15234509052014@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #59162 |
In article <1ll8jzm.qnsex452we2cN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? Not on the MacBook limited to Lion nor the iMac that can run Mavericks. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com GOP delenda est!
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-10 11:39 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <1llfhjc.101golcth76icN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59225 |
D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: > In article <1ll8jzm.qnsex452we2cN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, > dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > > > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not > > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): > > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? > > Not on the MacBook limited to Lion nor the iMac that can run Mavericks. If your iMac is running Snow Leopard, Lion or Mountain Lion, and has all software updates installed (particularly "Mac App Store Update 1.0"), and you haven't done anything to block the connection to Apple's servers which are used to fetch this notification, then I would expect the iMac to be displaying the notice regularly. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-10 16:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <dfmanno-C02D58.16371510052014@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #59234 |
In article <1llfhjc.101golcth76icN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: > > dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > > > > > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not > > > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): > > > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? > > > > Not on the MacBook limited to Lion nor the iMac that can run Mavericks. > > If your iMac is running Snow Leopard It is. > Lion or Mountain Lion, and has all > software updates installed (particularly "Mac App Store Update 1.0"), It does. > and you haven't done anything to block the connection to Apple's servers > which are used to fetch this notification I haven't. > then I would expect the iMac to be displaying the notice regularly. It isn't. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com GOP delenda est!
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 08:12 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <1llhi5y.1xwlp7t1wwm5fN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59260 |
D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: > In article <1llfhjc.101golcth76icN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, > dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > > > D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: > > > dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > > > > > > > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not > > > > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): > > > > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? > > > > > > Not on the MacBook limited to Lion nor the iMac that can run Mavericks. > > > > If your iMac is running Snow Leopard > > It is. > > > Lion or Mountain Lion, and has all > > software updates installed (particularly "Mac App Store Update 1.0"), > > It does. > > > and you haven't done anything to block the connection to Apple's servers > > which are used to fetch this notification > > I haven't. > > > then I would expect the iMac to be displaying the notice regularly. > > It isn't. Curious. Everyone else in that situation seems to be complaining about the regular reminders to upgrade to Mavericks. I wonder what makes your system special so you aren't getting them. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-11 16:33 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <536fde94$0$17064$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59291 |
On 14-05-11 16:12, David Empson wrote: > Curious. Everyone else in that situation seems to be complaining about > the regular reminders to upgrade to Mavericks. I wonder what makes your > system special so you aren't getting them. These reminders came with the last update to the App Store application on Snow Leopard. I suspect it was the only goal of that update: annoy users with the mavericks warnings. Interestingly, when the warning pops up, there is no App Store application running.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 12:17 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <1llj02f.10y915pxy3bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59293 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-05-11 16:12, David Empson wrote: > > > Curious. Everyone else in that situation seems to be complaining about > > the regular reminders to upgrade to Mavericks. I wonder what makes your > > system special so you aren't getting them. > > These reminders came with the last update to the App Store application > on Snow Leopard. I suspect it was the only goal of that update: annoy > users with the mavericks warnings. As I noted up-thread, it is a general purpose "Noticeboard" tool which Apple added to the private framework CommerceKit on Macs which don't have Notification Centre but do have App Store (i.e. Snow Leopard and Lion). It runs automatically every six hours. I expect its purpose is a MAS-specific notification scheme which is similar in appearance to notices displayed by Notification Centre in later systems. On Mountain Lion and later, App Store presents notifications about available updates. It appears Apple hasn't implemented that feature (via Noticeboard) on Snow Leopard and Lion, and so far have only used it to display regular reminders about upgrading to Mavericks. The details from Lewis suggest that it doesn't display the upgrade notice on Macs which aren't able to upgrade to Mavericks, but D.F. Manno has one case of a Mac which isn't displaying it even though it could upgrade to Mavericks. I'd like more data to better understand the pattern or why there might be exceptions. From when I recall seeing the notices, they didn't come up every six hours, so the mechanism probably remembers when it last displayed the notice and delays until until a reasonable time has passed, e.g. by keeping a file on each computer noting when it was displayed. I expect the message itself is fetched from Apple's servers rather than being built into the framework (I can't see text in its resources), and the decision about when to display the message is probably also made on Apple's servers, therefore they won't appear on a Mac which has no Internet connection (or if Noticeboard is blocked from accessing Apple's servers, e.g. using Little Snitch, as noted by people in the Apple Discussions thread I cited earlier). > Interestingly, when the warning pops up, there is no App Store > application running. That's not interesting. Many features of App Store are implemented by background services: checking for available app updates (which are shown on the App Store dock icon), downloading and installing apps. Most or all of this is handled by the "storeagent" daemon, with the App Store application just supplying the user interface. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 05:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <53705f25$0$52764$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #59298 |
In article <1llj02f.10y915pxy3bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > >The details from Lewis suggest that it doesn't display the upgrade >notice on Macs which aren't able to upgrade to Mavericks, but D.F. Manno >has one case of a Mac which isn't displaying it even though it could >upgrade to Mavericks. I'd like more data to better understand the >pattern or why there might be exceptions. Mid-2011 iMac (just before iMacs started shipping with Lion), 10.6.8, I've seen the notice 2-3 times in the past few weeks. Patty
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 02:12 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <5370665f$0$45968$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59305 |
On 14-05-12 01:41, Patty Winter wrote: > Mid-2011 iMac (just before iMacs started shipping with Lion), 10.6.8, > I've seen the notice 2-3 times in the past few weeks. I have 3 nodes on Snow Leopard, so I see the warnings more often. If only I had known that the last update to App store was only for that, I would have refused it. (but then again, you get nagged about that update all the time).
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 02:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <5370668f$0$45968$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59305 |
If, in the nagging by the App Store, Apple provided a means to provide feedback on why we are not upgrading, then I would happily spend time to enter my toughts on the matter.
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| From | bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 00:20 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <billvan-49BE2B.00201212052014@news.shawcable.net> |
| In reply to | #59305 |
In article <53705f25$0$52764$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > In article <1llj02f.10y915pxy3bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, > David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > > >The details from Lewis suggest that it doesn't display the upgrade > >notice on Macs which aren't able to upgrade to Mavericks, but D.F. Manno > >has one case of a Mac which isn't displaying it even though it could > >upgrade to Mavericks. I'd like more data to better understand the > >pattern or why there might be exceptions. > > Mid-2011 iMac (just before iMacs started shipping with Lion), 10.6.8, > I've seen the notice 2-3 times in the past few weeks. > Model Identifier: iMac10,1 Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor Speed: 3.06 GHz Number Of Processors: 1 Total Number Of Cores: 2 Ditto, I've seen it several times in recent weeks. -- bill
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-12 21:17 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <1lljx2r.17vow89g8gnw4N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59308 |
bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> In article <53705f25$0$52764$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1llj02f.10y915pxy3bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
> > David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > >
> > >The details from Lewis suggest that it doesn't display the upgrade
> > >notice on Macs which aren't able to upgrade to Mavericks, but D.F. Manno
> > >has one case of a Mac which isn't displaying it even though it could
> > >upgrade to Mavericks. I'd like more data to better understand the
> > >pattern or why there might be exceptions.
> >
> > Mid-2011 iMac (just before iMacs started shipping with Lion), 10.6.8,
> > I've seen the notice 2-3 times in the past few weeks.
> >
> Model Identifier: iMac10,1
> Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
> Processor Speed: 3.06 GHz
> Number Of Processors: 1
> Total Number Of Cores: 2
>
> Ditto, I've seen it several times in recent weeks.
Thanks for the updates. One more data point myself: a VMware Fusion VM
running Lion showed the notification after I had left it running six
hours (long enough for the Noticeboard service I mentioned to get
launched automatically).
This one is interesting because it has a model identifier of
"VMware7,1", which clearly isn't a standard Apple one. Either Apple
isn't checking the model identifier, or they know to include VMware ones
in the notice, or they assume all unknown identifiers can be upgraded,
or they are checking for known older models which can't upgrade.
Through observing what happened in my VM I've found a file of interest.
This should appear on Snow Leopard and Lion systems which have the Mac
App Store Update 1.0 installed, and have displayed the notice.
Have a look in /Library/Preferences for a file called
"com.apple.noticeboard.plist".
It is a binary-encoded property list file, which is a little tricky to
read unless you know how to use the right tools. BBEdit and TextWrangler
can read them in text form, Xcode shows it in structured form, or there
is a command line tool to convert it to text format: copy the file to
your desktop so you aren't fiddling with the original, then use this
command in Terminal:
plutil -convert xml1 ~/Desktop/com.apple.noticeboard.plist
Here is what it contained on my Lion VM after the first time I saw the
notice appear and I hit the "Not Now" button:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN"
"http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>com.apple.notification.mavericks.lion</key>
<dict>
<key>dismissalCount</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>lastDismissedDate</key>
<date>2014-05-12T06:36:01Z</date>
</dict>
<key>identifiers</key>
<array>
<string>com.apple.notification.mavericks.lion</string>
</array>
</dict>
</plist>
Note the "dismissalCount" (which I expect is incremented each time) and
the "lastDismissedDate", which is obvious and should be used as a
reference point for when to display the notification again.
I expect there will be a slight difference in the Snow Leopard version
of the file: the first <key> is is probably
com.apple.notification.mavericks.snow.leopard (or similar).
One other item of interest is what is in this file (if it exists at all)
on a Mac running Snow Leopard or Lion which has Mac App Store Update 1.0
installed but which has NOT had the notification to upgrade to
Mavericks, particuarly if it is a model which cannot upgrade to
Mavericks.
I'm wondering if it even gets far enough to create the preference file,
or if it puts something different in there, possibly even going as far
as disabling subsequent checks for the notification. If so, that would
be an easy way for other people to disable it if they are seeing the
notification, without having to modify parts of the system that might
have other uses.
--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-05-12 02:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: App Store reminders about Mavericks upgrade |
| Message-ID | <slrnln0c8p.s6l.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #59291 |
In message <1llhi5y.1xwlp7t1wwm5fN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: >> In article <1llfhjc.101golcth76icN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, >> dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: >> >> > D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote: >> > > dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: >> > > >> > > > A question for anyone who has an older Intel Mac model which is not >> > > > supported by Mavericks (therefore is limited to Snow Leopard or Lion): >> > > > are you getting the regular notification about Mavericks? >> > > >> > > Not on the MacBook limited to Lion nor the iMac that can run Mavericks. >> > >> > If your iMac is running Snow Leopard >> >> It is. >> >> > Lion or Mountain Lion, and has all >> > software updates installed (particularly "Mac App Store Update 1.0"), >> >> It does. >> >> > and you haven't done anything to block the connection to Apple's servers >> > which are used to fetch this notification >> >> I haven't. >> >> > then I would expect the iMac to be displaying the notice regularly. >> >> It isn't. > Curious. Everyone else in that situation seems to be complaining about > the regular reminders to upgrade to Mavericks. I wonder what makes your > system special so you aren't getting them. It's not special. My 10.7 laptop has never displayed a notification for updating to Mavericks that I can recall. -- 'Pardon me for living, I'm sure.' NO-ONE GETS PARDONED FOR LIVING.
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