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  Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 09:49 -0700
    Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 13:02 -0400
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 11:47 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 11:49 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-04 20:40 +0100
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 19:43 +0000
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 09:23 +0200
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:28 +0000
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 19:42 +0200
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 18:10 +0000
          Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 15:50 -0400
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:37 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 19:18 -0400
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 23:23 +0000
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:26 +0000
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 00:21 +0100
                Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 01:37 +0100
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 00:56 +0000
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 02:59 +0100
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:21 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 03:44 +0100
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:08 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 00:27 +0100
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 17:15 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-05 17:30 -0700
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:09 -0700
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:17 +0000
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-05 01:40 -0400
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-05 00:26 -0700
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 06:57 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-05 22:18 -0400
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 00:57 +0100
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-06 21:56 -0400
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-07 07:35 +0100
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:15 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 03:23 +0100
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-05 14:45 +1200
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 00:11 +0100
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-06 12:41 +1200
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 02:11 +0100
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:06 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 00:13 +0100
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:14 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-07-07 17:36 +1200
            Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 01:27 +0100
              Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 13:49 +0200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 13:06 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:38 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:24 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:17 +0000
            Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 01:44 +0100
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:57 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 20:00 -0700
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:20 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 20:22 -0700
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:28 +0000
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 21:54 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 21:59 -0700
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 22:11 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:19 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 01:05 +0100
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-06 03:10 +0000
                Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 21:28 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 04:39 +0000
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 21:41 -0700
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 01:09 +0100
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 17:38 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 01:00 +0100
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:26 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 22:02 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:03 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 05:23 +0000
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 06:36 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 09:28 +0200
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-06 10:44 +1200
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 23:30 +0000
                Re: Windows application on a Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-06 03:52 +0000
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 09:10 +0200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-05 07:19 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-07-07 14:52 +1200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-07 16:36 +1200
            Re: Windows application on a Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-07-07 17:25 +1200
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-07 16:22 +0000
      Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-04 20:38 +0100
        Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 15:50 -0400
          Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 01:22 +0100
            Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 17:05 +0000
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 17:17 +0000
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 11:49 -0700
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 18:55 +0000
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 09:16 +0200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-04 22:36 +0100
          Re: Windows application on a Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-05 11:34 +1200
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 16:42 -0700
              Re: Windows application on a Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-05 12:04 +1200
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 17:45 -0700
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 00:59 +0000
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 03:08 +0100
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-05 17:57 +1200
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:26 +0000
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 03:11 +0100
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 00:51 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 00:49 +0000
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 00:46 +0000
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 09:14 +0200
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 04:14 +0200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:07 +0000
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 10:08 -0700
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 11:55 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 11:57 -0700
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 12:12 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 19:39 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 12:58 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 13:22 -0700
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:26 +0000
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:25 +0000
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:06 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 19:45 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:05 +0000
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:24 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 20:31 -0700
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:35 +0000
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 21:58 -0700
                              Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:01 -0700
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 21:57 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:01 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:50 +0000
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:32 +0000
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 22:01 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:02 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:23 +0000
                              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 08:28 -0700
                                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-05 09:27 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 12:50 -0700
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 13:09 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 13:23 -0700
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 14:01 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 15:07 -0700
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 15:24 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:47 +0000
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:02 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 19:43 -0700
                              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:08 -0700
                                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 20:12 -0700
                                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 21:33 -0700
                                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 21:39 -0700
                                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 22:08 -0700
                                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:18 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:34 +0000
                              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 22:02 -0700
                                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:04 -0700
                                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:24 +0000
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 15:57 -0700
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:03 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 19:44 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 01:49 +0100
                          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:05 -0700
                            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 19:45 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 14:32 -0700
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 15:01 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-07 16:46 -0700
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-04 19:14 +0100
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-05 10:38 +1200
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-04 23:43 +0100
          Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 01:59 +0100
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:23 -0700
              Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-05 03:48 +0100
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:18 -0700
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 08:56 +0200
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 08:01 +0000
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-05 14:20 +0200
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 22:55 +0000
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 14:13 -0700
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 14:58 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 18:05 -0400
          Re: Windows application on a Mac billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-06 00:20 +0000
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:41 +0000
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:26 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 19:54 -0700
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:19 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 21:03 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:44 +0000
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 21:11 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 05:29 +0000
              Re: Windows application on a Mac John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-07-06 01:39 +0100
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-06 14:26 +1200
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-05 10:39 +1200
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-04 22:10 +0000
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 15:26 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-04 22:52 +0000
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:11 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 19:47 -0700
              Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:15 -0700
                Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 20:19 -0700
                  Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 21:36 -0700
                    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 21:40 -0700
                      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 22:09 -0700
                        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:18 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 15:59 -0700
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:13 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 19:48 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:51 +0000
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-05 01:30 -0400
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-04 22:32 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 06:54 -0700
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-05 22:15 -0400
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-05 19:19 -0700
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 06:43 -0700
    Re: Windows application on a Mac cb <cb@aol.com> - 2014-07-05 12:39 +0200
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-05 06:53 -0400
        Re: Windows application on a Mac cb <cb@aol.com> - 2014-07-05 14:53 +0200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:04 -0700
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-05 22:14 -0400
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 20:14 -0700
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:00 -0700
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-05 06:59 -0400
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:06 -0700
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-06 08:35 -0400
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-06 06:54 -0700
            Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-06 12:55 -0400
    Re: Windows application on a Mac Mitch Bujard <nonono@schoolfonts.com> - 2014-07-16 17:40 -0400
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-17 09:39 -0400
      Re: Windows application on a Mac Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2014-07-17 09:22 -0500
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-17 15:23 +0000
        Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-18 09:08 +1200
          Re: Windows application on a Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-17 22:41 +0100
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            Re: Windows application on a Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-22 09:47 +1200
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                Re: Windows application on a Mac Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-07-26 10:17 -0700
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#61844

In article <dkher919ig39ulnlressvb9gjflrb9q46v@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

>  I have *OFTEN* downloaded stuff from the Internet without paying a
> single penny to the suppliers. Many sites *ENCOURAGE* this. If you are
> too stupid to have found one, out of the millions available, I pity
> you. 

Yeah, he and I are too stupid to be thieves.

> If you have never done any of these you are not much of an expert in
> these matters

If you have never done any of these, you are not a software thief.

> And I wasn't talking about any Microsoft product, nor, I assumed was
> the OP, I thought we were discussing her intended purchase, the thing
> she needed a Windows emulator for.

That is correct.  However, there are no legal venues to download the
software.

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#61852

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:21:45 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <dkher919ig39ulnlressvb9gjflrb9q46v@4ax.com>, John
><Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>>  I have *OFTEN* downloaded stuff from the Internet without paying a
>> single penny to the suppliers. Many sites *ENCOURAGE* this. If you are
>> too stupid to have found one, out of the millions available, I pity
>> you. 
>
>Yeah, he and I are too stupid to be thieves.

 I do not thieve. I do try before I buy and sometimes am so
disappointed I don't buy. It's perfectly legal and encouraged by
millions of sites. 
 Hell, even Microsoft do it. 

>
>> If you have never done any of these you are not much of an expert in
>> these matters
>
>If you have never done any of these, you are not a software thief.

 Not so. You can steal via other mediums than by downloading. If you
can copy from it you can steal it. This is why the Windows DVDs are
protected.  
 I would have thought you'd know this. 

>
>> And I wasn't talking about any Microsoft product, nor, I assumed was
>> the OP, I thought we were discussing her intended purchase, the thing
>> she needed a Windows emulator for.
>
>That is correct.  However, there are no legal venues to download the
>software.

 Are you talking about *this* "BridgeMaster 2000", or some other one?
 https://bbi.bridgebase.com/software/bm2000.html
 If it's that one then you are, sadly, perfectly correct but I didn't
know it. Sorry. The only option on that site seems to be getting a
copy of their software by airmail, which possibly means it either
comes on floppy or on CD. "003? Probably CD.
 I assumed, incorrectly, that any reputable supplier would have a
download option even if it was through Digital River or some other
third party.
 This is the very first time I've found one that doesn't.

 I apologise for ever trying to help. I won't do it again.
                                                           J.         
 

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#61878

In article <t0per9dfjkqq5qlci5704mnl5v5lk0ikbn@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> >>  I have *OFTEN* downloaded stuff from the Internet without paying a
> >> single penny to the suppliers. Many sites *ENCOURAGE* this. If you are
> >> too stupid to have found one, out of the millions available, I pity
> >> you. 
> >
> >Yeah, he and I are too stupid to be thieves.
> 
>  I do not thieve. I do try before I buy and sometimes am so
> disappointed I don't buy. It's perfectly legal and encouraged by
> millions of sites. 
>  Hell, even Microsoft do it. 

If the manufacturer supports try-before-you-buy, then it's OK, but if
they don't, it is definitely not OK.

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#61994

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:08:50 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <t0per9dfjkqq5qlci5704mnl5v5lk0ikbn@4ax.com>, John
><Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>> >>  I have *OFTEN* downloaded stuff from the Internet without paying a
>> >> single penny to the suppliers. Many sites *ENCOURAGE* this. If you are
>> >> too stupid to have found one, out of the millions available, I pity
>> >> you. 
>> >
>> >Yeah, he and I are too stupid to be thieves.
>> 
>>  I do not thieve. I do try before I buy and sometimes am so
>> disappointed I don't buy. It's perfectly legal and encouraged by
>> millions of sites. 
>>  Hell, even Microsoft do it. 
>
>If the manufacturer supports try-before-you-buy, then it's OK, but if
>they don't, it is definitely not OK.

 So why the fuck did you automatically assume I'm a fucking thief?
Have you never, ever used trialware of any sort?
 Never?
 If you have, are *you* a thief?
 
 No, I don't expect an abject and sincere apology. Not from you.
 Nor from nospam.

 Don't bother. I won't be reading more. 
 It hasn't been fun. Bye. 
 
                                                        J.    

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#62000

In article <262hr9595pequf900fs96alff9rk560uiv@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> So why the fuck did you automatically assume I'm a fucking thief?
> Have you never, ever used trialware of any sort?
>  Never?
>  If you have, are *you* a thief?

The way you worded it strongly implied that it was not trialware.

> Don't bother. I won't be reading more. 
>  It hasn't been fun. Bye. 

Don't let the door...

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#62003

On 2014-07-06 00:15:07 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <262hr9595pequf900fs96alff9rk560uiv@4ax.com>, John
> <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> 
>> So why the fuck did you automatically assume I'm a fucking thief?
>> Have you never, ever used trialware of any sort?
>> Never?
>> If you have, are *you* a thief?
> 
> The way you worded it strongly implied that it was not trialware.

And you left what he said in your post so that we can all easily 
compare for ourselves...

...oh wait.

For the record, nothing he said "strongly implied" anything of the kind.

> 
>> Don't bother. I won't be reading more.
>> It hasn't been fun. Bye.
> 
> Don't let the door...

Yeah...

You might want to think on that.

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#61880

In article <t0per9dfjkqq5qlci5704mnl5v5lk0ikbn@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> Are you talking about *this* "BridgeMaster 2000", or some other one?
>  https://bbi.bridgebase.com/software/bm2000.html

Yes, that's the one.

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#61886

On 2014-07-05, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:21:45 -0700, Michelle Steiner
><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>That is correct.  However, there are no legal venues to download the
>>software.
>
>  Are you talking about *this* "BridgeMaster 2000", or some other one?
>  https://bbi.bridgebase.com/software/bm2000.html
>  If it's that one then you are, sadly, perfectly correct but I didn't
> know it. Sorry. The only option on that site seems to be getting a
> copy of their software by airmail, which possibly means it either
> comes on floppy or on CD. "003? Probably CD.
>  I assumed, incorrectly, that any reputable supplier would have a
> download option even if it was through Digital River or some other
> third party.
>  This is the very first time I've found one that doesn't.

It is strange. It used to be very common; but to see a company still
doing business in this day and age with no electronic transfer support
is pretty ridiculous in my mind. The only explanation I can think of is
that their niche market doesn't mind much.

>  I apologise for ever trying to help. I won't do it again.

LOL! : D

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#61936

In article <c1p91iF1g06U6@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-05, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:21:45 -0700, Michelle Steiner
> ><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> >>That is correct.  However, there are no legal venues to download the
> >>software.
> >
> >  Are you talking about *this* "BridgeMaster 2000", or some other one?
> >  https://bbi.bridgebase.com/software/bm2000.html
> >  If it's that one then you are, sadly, perfectly correct but I didn't
> > know it. Sorry. The only option on that site seems to be getting a
> > copy of their software by airmail, which possibly means it either
> > comes on floppy or on CD. "003? Probably CD.
> >  I assumed, incorrectly, that any reputable supplier would have a
> > download option even if it was through Digital River or some other
> > third party.
> >  This is the very first time I've found one that doesn't.
> 
> It is strange. It used to be very common; but to see a company still
> doing business in this day and age with no electronic transfer support
> is pretty ridiculous in my mind. The only explanation I can think of is
> that their niche market doesn't mind much.

The company's sole focus these days is on Bridge Base Online. We don't 
actively support the older, standalone products that were developed in 
the 90's. We still sell them if people want them, but we haven't updated 
our infrastructure to support downloading them -- they're only available 
in the original CD formats.

But as I mentioned in another post, a few months ago we added an online 
version of Bridge Master 2000. So there's no reason to buy the CD now at 
all.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#61943

On 2014-07-05 05:40:02 +0000, Barry Margolin said:

> In article <c1p91iF1g06U6@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-07-05, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:21:45 -0700, Michelle Steiner
>>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That is correct.  However, there are no legal venues to download the
>>>> software.
>>> 
>>> Are you talking about *this* "BridgeMaster 2000", or some other one?
>>> https://bbi.bridgebase.com/software/bm2000.html
>>> If it's that one then you are, sadly, perfectly correct but I didn't
>>> know it. Sorry. The only option on that site seems to be getting a
>>> copy of their software by airmail, which possibly means it either
>>> comes on floppy or on CD. "003? Probably CD.
>>> I assumed, incorrectly, that any reputable supplier would have a
>>> download option even if it was through Digital River or some other
>>> third party.
>>> This is the very first time I've found one that doesn't.
>> 
>> It is strange. It used to be very common; but to see a company still
>> doing business in this day and age with no electronic transfer support
>> is pretty ridiculous in my mind. The only explanation I can think of is
>> that their niche market doesn't mind much.
> 
> The company's sole focus these days is on Bridge Base Online. We don't
> actively support the older, standalone products that were developed in
> the 90's. We still sell them if people want them, but we haven't updated
> our infrastructure to support downloading them -- they're only available
> in the original CD formats.
> 
> But as I mentioned in another post, a few months ago we added an online
> version of Bridge Master 2000. So there's no reason to buy the CD now at
> all.

And Michelle will no doubt find a problem with that option...

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#61965

In article <barmar-8BF95C.01400205072014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> The company's sole focus these days is on Bridge Base Online. We don't 
> actively support the older, standalone products that were developed in 
> the 90's. We still sell them if people want them, but we haven't updated 
> our infrastructure to support downloading them -- they're only available 
> in the original CD formats.
> 
> But as I mentioned in another post, a few months ago we added an online 
> version of Bridge Master 2000. So there's no reason to buy the CD now at 
> all.

You're one of the principals of Bridge Base?

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#62011

In article <050720140657575288%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <barmar-8BF95C.01400205072014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > The company's sole focus these days is on Bridge Base Online. We don't 
> > actively support the older, standalone products that were developed in 
> > the 90's. We still sell them if people want them, but we haven't updated 
> > our infrastructure to support downloading them -- they're only available 
> > in the original CD formats.
> > 
> > But as I mentioned in another post, a few months ago we added an online 
> > version of Bridge Master 2000. So there's no reason to buy the CD now at 
> > all.
> 
> You're one of the principals of Bridge Base?

I'm one of the 7 full-time employees. Does that make me a "principal"? I 
think of myself as just a programmer.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#61871

In article <dkher919ig39ulnlressvb9gjflrb9q46v@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> >of course you can buy it online. that's well known.
> >
> >he was clearly talking about pirating it. 
> 
>  "Piracy" is the act of invading a ship unlawfully with intent to do
> unlawful stuff. What you are talking about is either copyright
> violation or simple theft.

piracy is also used to mean illicit copying of software, music and/or
videos.

>  And no, numbnuts, I wasn't. 

it definitely sounded that way. 

otherwise why not simply say to buy it directly from the software maker
directly rather than some vague 'them there interwebs'??

> >he didn't say 'buy it online' did he? nope. he didn't. 
> 
>  I have *OFTEN* downloaded stuff from the Internet without paying a
> single penny to the suppliers. Many sites *ENCOURAGE* this. If you are
> too stupid to have found one, out of the millions available, I pity
> you. 

unless it's free, you're pirating it. 

the only site to 'find' would be the software maker themselves, which
is usually very easy to do. 

if you 'find' a site that offers paid software for free and then take
advantage of that, then you're pirating it. 

it also means that my initial assessment was exactly on target.

> >if he meant purchase it legally, he'd have said 'you can buy it online
> >directly from microsoft.'
> 
>  No, I wouldn't have. I would have said "download it". If the OP then
> wanted to buy it that is a choice. 

windows is not legally available for free.

you are advocating piracy. 

> Deleting the software without using
> it is another. 

use doesn't matter.

if you download paid software for free from some site you 'found', you
have pirated it, and even if you download some free software, depending
on restrictions.

> Using it for a test period is a third, to find out if
> she likes it and can use it.

that may be an option in some cases. not all, however.

> I have often found that programs are much
> unlike their descriptions and do not do what I need from them, these I
> do not buy though I may have tested them.

that's what trials are for.

if there is no trial version and you obtain the app in some other way
to test it, then you've pirated it.

>  If you have never done any of these you are not much of an expert in
> these matters and you should keep your hands away from the keyboard
> until you at least grow some body hair and perhaps a little experience
> and wisdom, boy.
>  
>  And I wasn't talking about any Microsoft product, nor, I assumed was
> the OP, I thought we were discussing her intended purchase, the thing
> she needed a Windows emulator for.

she knows she wants the bridge app.

the question is how to be able to run it, which may mean she needs to
buy windows and possibly vmware/parallels.

>  Not that that is at all relevant as "download from the Internet" can
> also be applied to much Microsoft software, as you would know were you
> to climb down from your religious hatred of the company long enough to
> scan their sites.

only if you include pirate sites.

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#61996

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 23:07:45 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <dkher919ig39ulnlressvb9gjflrb9q46v@4ax.com>, John
><Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>> >of course you can buy it online. that's well known.
>> >
>> >he was clearly talking about pirating it. 
>> 
>>  "Piracy" is the act of invading a ship unlawfully with intent to do
>> unlawful stuff. What you are talking about is either copyright
>> violation or simple theft.
>
>piracy is also used to mean illicit copying of software, music and/or
>videos.
>
>>  And no, numbnuts, I wasn't. 
>
>it definitely sounded that way. 

 Only to you, you demented zealot. 

>
>otherwise why not simply say to buy it directly from the software maker
>directly rather than some vague 'them there interwebs'??

 Because sites like VersionTracker [as was], Digital River,
CNet-downloads and many, many others store and distribute software for
the people who write it. You would know this were you more than six
years old and allowed out into the community. 
 I suppose it is not your fault that you are confined but you really
should stop accusing people of theft before you investigate the
possibility that they might actually be adults and know far, far more
about damned near everything than you ever will, you decaying,
dehydrated potted plant.  

>
>> >he didn't say 'buy it online' did he? nope. he didn't. 
>> 
>>  I have *OFTEN* downloaded stuff from the Internet without paying a
>> single penny to the suppliers. Many sites *ENCOURAGE* this. If you are
>> too stupid to have found one, out of the millions available, I pity
>> you. 
>
>unless it's free, you're pirating it. 

 *TRIALWARE*.
 *SHAREWARE*
 *CRIPPLEWARE*
 Free offers.
 Of course, being a care-in-the-community case and having many special
needs you possibly haven't encountered those. 
 Mybe I shouldn't be so harsh on such a witless lump of ooze as you? 

>
>the only site to 'find' would be the software maker themselves, which
>is usually very easy to do. 
>
>if you 'find' a site that offers paid software for free and then take
>advantage of that, then you're pirating it. 

 No. Not always, and it is either theft or copyright violation. Piracy
involves vehicles, guns and pain. 
 Have you never encountered, as one example, "Giveaway of the day"?
They have a Mac OSX version, and have just started doing Mac mobile
and Android. This is but one of *MANY*. 
 But a head full of rancid sausage meat like yours would not be able
to cope with that concept, now would it? To you, a company giving away
its stuff is automatically theft.
 You must have a tiny, mean and sorry life.
 I almost pity you.
 

>
>it also means that my initial assessment was exactly on target.

 Your assessment of anything couldn't be on target if we posted it to
you. 
 You have all the wit and judgment of raw sewage. 
 

>
>> >if he meant purchase it legally, he'd have said 'you can buy it online
>> >directly from microsoft.'
>> 
>>  No, I wouldn't have. I would have said "download it". If the OP then
>> wanted to buy it that is a choice. 
>
>windows is not legally available for free.

 Yes, it is. Trialware. 
 And for thirty days even if you *are* going to buy it.
 Try getting an adult to go to Microsoft's download pages and explain
all the big words to you. Maybe they can use little dollies and
crayons to help with your limited comprehension skills?
 

>
>you are advocating piracy. 

 No. Never have. I don't even advocate theft or copyright violations.
Advocating such things is in itself unlawful, you dimwitted puke.

>
>> Deleting the software without using
>> it is another. 
>
>use doesn't matter.
>
>if you download paid software for free from some site you 'found', you
>have pirated it, and even if you download some free software, depending
>on restrictions.

 Wrong again, numbnuts. 

>
>> Using it for a test period is a third, to find out if
>> she likes it and can use it.
>
>that may be an option in some cases. not all, however.

 And never did I mention "all". 

>
>> I have often found that programs are much
>> unlike their descriptions and do not do what I need from them, these I
>> do not buy though I may have tested them.
>
>that's what trials are for.

 Oh, for fucks sake ... have you just clicked that you have been
talking utter shite? 
 Are you now going to abjectly and truly apologise? 
 Question: how do you know I am not a lawyer? 

>
>if there is no trial version and you obtain the app in some other way
>to test it, then you've pirated it.

  "Stolen" or "violated copyright". Piracy is an entirely different
set of felonies. 

>
>>  If you have never done any of these you are not much of an expert in
>> these matters and you should keep your hands away from the keyboard
>> until you at least grow some body hair and perhaps a little experience
>> and wisdom, boy.
>>  
>>  And I wasn't talking about any Microsoft product, nor, I assumed was
>> the OP, I thought we were discussing her intended purchase, the thing
>> she needed a Windows emulator for.
>
>she knows she wants the bridge app.
>
>the question is how to be able to run it, which may mean she needs to
>buy windows and possibly vmware/parallels.

 AND MAY NOT. Did you ever consider that before screaming about theft?
No, because you have so limited a wit that holding two ideas at once
would utterly and irrevocably crash your tiny mind. 
 

>
>>  Not that that is at all relevant as "download from the Internet" can
>> also be applied to much Microsoft software, as you would know were you
>> to climb down from your religious hatred of the company long enough to
>> scan their sites.
>
>only if you include pirate sites.

 http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
 Get a responsible adult to show you how to highlight the word
"Downloads" to show a drop-down menu. Get a second responsible adult
to explain what those big words mean. 
 In the drop-down menu, on the left column the fourth lie down is
"Free Downloads". Clicking on that takes you to Windows 78.1 which is
a *FREE* piece of Microsoft software. Not trialware, not crippleware,
not try-before-you-buy shareware or even cardware but entirely free,
yes, FREE, software. From Microsoft. And they *WANT YOU TO TAKE IT*.
  In the same menu, on the left side still, but nine lines down from
the "Downloads" line is "Free Trials". 
  Yes, free trials, from Microsoft and they want you to take them.
  
  Now, millions of other sites, including Giveawayoftheday.com and
their Gamegiveaway.com sister site and SourceForge and many others
offer free softwares. Tucows.com was founded on it.
  
  You are a total idiot. 
  And you should now apologise to me most heartily and sincerely but I
know for a fact you won't.
  Tiny little children never do. 
                                  J. 
                                           

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#62039

In article <sh2hr9dtq4dkbif5bqptnmo7g8vuu21e16@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

>  Question: how do you know I am not a lawyer? 

because a lawyer would not be making numerous mistakes that you have.

> >if there is no trial version and you obtain the app in some other way
> >to test it, then you've pirated it.
> 
>   "Stolen" or "violated copyright". Piracy is an entirely different
> set of felonies. 

it's typically civil, unless you're actively distributing content,
where it can be criminal, such as if you're hosting your own server.

a lawyer would know that.

> >>  Not that that is at all relevant as "download from the Internet" can
> >> also be applied to much Microsoft software, as you would know were you
> >> to climb down from your religious hatred of the company long enough to
> >> scan their sites.
> >
> >only if you include pirate sites.
> 
>  http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>  Get a responsible adult to show you how to highlight the word
> "Downloads" to show a drop-down menu. Get a second responsible adult
> to explain what those big words mean. 
>  In the drop-down menu, on the left column the fourth lie down is
> "Free Downloads". Clicking on that takes you to Windows 78.1 which is
> a *FREE* piece of Microsoft software. Not trialware, not crippleware,
> not try-before-you-buy shareware or even cardware but entirely free,
> yes, FREE, software. From Microsoft. And they *WANT YOU TO TAKE IT*.

windows 8.1 is not free. 

*upgrades* from windows 8 to 8.1 are free and there is also an
evaluation version available.

>   In the same menu, on the left side still, but nine lines down from
> the "Downloads" line is "Free Trials". 
>   Yes, free trials, from Microsoft and they want you to take them.

you just said the downloads are not trialware and now you say there's a
free trial. make up your mind.

>   Now, millions of other sites, including Giveawayoftheday.com and
> their Gamegiveaway.com sister site and SourceForge and many others
> offer free softwares. Tucows.com was founded on it.

i never said there isn't free software. there's a lot of free software,
and much of it is crap. generally, you get what you pay for.

i also said that windows isn't free, and it isn't. anyone who obtains a
free copy of windows has done so illegally. very simple.

in another post, you said you can't afford windows. if it was free you
wouldn't have said that. yet another contradiction.

>   You are a total idiot. 

except you're the one who keeps contradicting yourself.

that makes you the idiot.

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#62044

On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 21:56:10 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <sh2hr9dtq4dkbif5bqptnmo7g8vuu21e16@4ax.com>, John
><Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>>  Question: how do you know I am not a lawyer? 
>
>because a lawyer would not be making numerous mistakes that you have.

 Hmm, you've never met any lawyers in your short, sheltered life, have
you? 

>
>> >if there is no trial version and you obtain the app in some other way
>> >to test it, then you've pirated it.
>> 
>>   "Stolen" or "violated copyright". Piracy is an entirely different
>> set of felonies. 
>
>it's typically civil, unless you're actively distributing content,
>where it can be criminal, such as if you're hosting your own server.

 *Piracy* is not a civil offence, you stupid little child. *Piracy* is
extremely uncivil. 
 Ask any victim of the Somalians. 

>
>a lawyer would know that.
>
>> >>  Not that that is at all relevant as "download from the Internet" can
>> >> also be applied to much Microsoft software, as you would know were you
>> >> to climb down from your religious hatred of the company long enough to
>> >> scan their sites.
>> >
>> >only if you include pirate sites.
>> 
>>  http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>  Get a responsible adult to show you how to highlight the word
>> "Downloads" to show a drop-down menu. Get a second responsible adult
>> to explain what those big words mean. 
>>  In the drop-down menu, on the left column the fourth lie down is
>> "Free Downloads". Clicking on that takes you to Windows 78.1 which is
>> a *FREE* piece of Microsoft software. Not trialware, not crippleware,
>> not try-before-you-buy shareware or even cardware but entirely free,
>> yes, FREE, software. From Microsoft. And they *WANT YOU TO TAKE IT*.
>
>windows 8.1 is not free. 
>
>*upgrades* from windows 8 to 8.1 are free and there is also an
>evaluation version available.
>
>>   In the same menu, on the left side still, but nine lines down from
>> the "Downloads" line is "Free Trials". 
>>   Yes, free trials, from Microsoft and they want you to take them.
>
>you just said the downloads are not trialware and now you say there's a
>free trial. make up your mind.

 For fucks sake you stupid rotting foetid piece of vegetative muck,
that ninth line down is a separate and distinct *other* piece of
software, or softwares.
 You really are the thickest, most ill-mannered, stupidest item I've
had to deal with since last I encountered a politician. You make
religious zealots look like reasonable, calm and wise individuals. You
are a walking turd, a prat of the first water and a deeply stupid
being. 
 Grow up, child, learn how to read. Stop posting your incorrect, inane
drivel until you actually learn enough to be a contributor. 
 
 In short, short-arse, fuck off.
                                    J.

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#61843

In article <c1ookvFt8ilU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> >And, I just realized, I'd have to get an external DVD/CD drive to
> >> >install the software.
> >> 
> >>  Only if it comes on DVD. You could use a USB stick. Or download it
> >> from them, there Interewbs.
> >
> > that would be illegal.
> 
> mr.know-it-all loves to make ignorant blanket statements like this, and
> is often wrong - though he'll never admit it, and will argue until the
> end of time that he is right despite all evidence to the contrary - it's
> his modus operandi
> 
> Here are microsoft's official, legal pages for purchasing downloadable
> copies of windows:

Irrelevant because we weren't referring to Windows; we were referring
to Bridge Master 2000.

Mr. Know-it-all happens to be right about this; one of the very few
times he has been right.

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#61846

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:15:52 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <c1ookvFt8ilU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >And, I just realized, I'd have to get an external DVD/CD drive to
>> >> >install the software.
>> >> 
>> >>  Only if it comes on DVD. You could use a USB stick. Or download it
>> >> from them, there Interewbs.
>> >
>> > that would be illegal.
>> 
>> mr.know-it-all loves to make ignorant blanket statements like this, and
>> is often wrong - though he'll never admit it, and will argue until the
>> end of time that he is right despite all evidence to the contrary - it's
>> his modus operandi
>> 
>> Here are microsoft's official, legal pages for purchasing downloadable
>> copies of windows:
>
>Irrelevant because we weren't referring to Windows; we were referring
>to Bridge Master 2000.
>
>Mr. Know-it-all happens to be right about this; one of the very few
>times he has been right.

 Uhhn honey-child, *which* Mr. Know-it-all was right? Me or nospam?
Enquiring minds want to know.
 My wife had a fridge magnet with a cute little saying on it: 
 "When I married Mr. Right I didn't know his first name was *Always*".
I thought that was very funny.
                                      J.  

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#61853

In article <o8oer957vnl7mvv9p68m3u2je8da14eshr@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> 
>  My wife had a fridge magnet with a cute little saying on it: 
>  "When I married Mr. Right I didn't know his first name was *Always*".
> I thought that was very funny.

Just a pity the magnet lady's first name was Never ... taking her
husband's surname when married made her "Never Right".  ;-)

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#61991

On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:45:59 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

>In article <o8oer957vnl7mvv9p68m3u2je8da14eshr@4ax.com>, John
><Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>> 
>>  My wife had a fridge magnet with a cute little saying on it: 
>>  "When I married Mr. Right I didn't know his first name was *Always*".
>> I thought that was very funny.
>
>Just a pity the magnet lady's first name was Never ... taking her
>husband's surname when married made her "Never Right".  ;-)

 To conclude this phase of the conversation: the lady in question was
exceedingly bright and wise and highly intelligent and well educated
and rarely wrong. When she was it was because she had been
mis-informed not due to her own biases. She was also cute, lovely,
wonderful and the maker of the best curries on this or any other
planet.
 And the fridge magnet was a private joke between us as she knew that
I was *not* one of those males who insists the little woman is always
in the wrong. I learned a *lot* from her. Some of it was even
printable in a family newsgroup.
 She was my life and my love.
 And she had a wicked sense of humour.
                                               J.

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