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  American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2015-06-03 23:35 +0200
    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-03 17:46 -0400
      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-03 21:49 -0700
        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-04 09:06 -0400
          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 06:17 -0700
            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-06-04 10:05 -0400
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 07:23 -0700
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-04 09:54 -0500
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 11:58 -0700
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 07:48 -0700
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 08:47 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 12:31 -0400
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 10:19 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 13:42 -0400
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 10:56 -0700
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-05 13:18 -0500
                                  Turdv, the communist party leader. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-05 14:36 -0600
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 14:52 -0400
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 12:24 -0700
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 17:12 -0400
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 17:33 -0400
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-06 01:25 +0200
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 10:58 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-06-05 22:52 -0400
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 20:25 -0700
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-06-06 08:39 +0000
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-06-06 11:10 +0200
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-06-07 15:22 -0400
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 06:38 -0700
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-06-07 16:43 -0400
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-06-05 14:09 -0500
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted
 communications by extremists" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-06-05 22:17 +0300
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-06-06 06:59 +0200
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 13:18 -0700
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Fred Newman" <frednewman@guessmyemail.com> - 2015-06-05 03:01 +0200
            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-04 10:07 -0700
            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-06-04 20:19 -0400
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-06-05 02:22 +0200
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-06-04 23:09 -0400
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Riley <rileyhumbert.us@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 05:25 +0100
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-06-05 08:48 +0200
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 07:04 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 07:50 -0700
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 08:48 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-05 18:00 +0100
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 11:34 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 13:19 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-05 14:35 -0600
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 11:18 -0400
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-05 09:10 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-05 14:33 -0600
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 13:35 -0700
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-05 17:35 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-05 20:52 -0600
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-06-06 10:31 -0400
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-06 12:06 -0600
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-06 12:55 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 13:59 -0700
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-06 14:08 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-06-07 22:12 +0200
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Info <info@dunasesmeralda.com> - 2015-06-07 05:55 +0200
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-06-07 19:15 +0000
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-06 07:50 -0700
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-06-06 18:07 +0200
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-06 09:51 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-06-06 13:39 -0400
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-06-07 20:37 +0000
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-06 12:04 -0600
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-06-07 21:50 +0200
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-06-06 02:11 -0400
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-06 10:47 -0400
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 08:02 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-06 11:10 -0400
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 13:47 -0700
                                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-06-07 00:22 +0000
                                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-07 15:51 -0600
                                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2015-06-08 06:07 +0200
                                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-06-07 22:24 +0200
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-06 12:02 -0600
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 13:48 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-06 11:10 -0700
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-06 15:57 -0600
                                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-06 15:25 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-06-06 18:19 +0000
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 13:56 -0700
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-07 01:02 +0200
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 16:18 -0700
                                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-06-06 21:43 -0400
                                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-06 19:21 -0700
                                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-06 19:33 -0700
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 21:27 -0700
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 07:52 -0700
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 06:51 -0400
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-06-05 21:30 +0200
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 18:33 -0700
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-06-04 22:49 -0400
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 20:13 -0700
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Westgate <westgateserv@zoho.com> - 2015-06-05 05:24 +0100
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 06:52 -0400
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 10:40 -0400
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 07:54 -0700
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Info <info@dunasesmeralda.com> - 2015-06-05 11:32 +0200
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Ryan Johnson" <everyone@mediamatters.org> - 2015-06-05 22:12 +0200
          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 08:52 -0700
        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-04 10:05 -0700
          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 10:18 -0700
            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 12:01 -0700
              Would a "carbon tax" would benefit the poor ?! Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-04 13:54 -0700
                Re: Would a "carbon tax" would benefit the poor ?! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-04 17:30 -0400
                  Re: Would a "carbon tax" would benefit the poor ?! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 19:08 -0700
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 13:57 -0700
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-04 17:34 -0400
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 17:40 -0700
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 18:24 -0700
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-04 22:26 -0400
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 20:09 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-06-05 02:39 -0400
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 07:01 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 10:42 -0400
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 08:44 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 08:48 -0700
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 09:21 -0700
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-06-05 13:30 -0400
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 10:49 -0700
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-06-05 13:53 -0400
                                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 10:58 -0700
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-05 13:06 -0500
                                      But Turdv IS a LIAR and documented.  The guy with his imaginary BSEE.  LOL!!! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-05 14:28 -0600
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 11:23 -0700
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-06-05 13:21 -0700
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 12:33 -0400
                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-05 17:58 +0100
                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 13:32 -0400
                                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-05 22:00 +0100
                                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 17:24 -0400
                                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-06-06 00:24 +0200
                                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-06-05 18:42 -0400
                                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 23:37 -0400
                                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 20:44 -0700
                                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-06-06 10:07 +0200
                                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-06 12:01 -0600
                                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-06 11:57 -0600
                                                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-06 17:21 -0400
                                                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-06 23:30 +0100
                                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-06-06 03:51 +0000
                                      fear peddlers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-06-05 19:50 -0400
                                        Re: fear peddlers Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-06-06 03:13 +0200
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 11:36 -0700
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-06-05 06:33 +0200
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-04 21:57 -0700
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-06-05 18:24 +0000
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 11:33 -0700
                            Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-06-06 06:10 +0200
                              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 22:43 -0700
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 17:08 -0400
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 11:07 -0400
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-06-05 11:20 -0400
                          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 12:27 -0400
                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-06-05 14:08 -0600
                        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-06-06 05:32 +0200
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-04 17:20 -0700
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 17:34 -0700
              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-06-05 07:44 +0000
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 07:05 -0700
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-06-06 01:13 +0000
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 18:21 -0700
                Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-06-05 20:01 +0200
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 11:33 -0700
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                      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-05 22:40 -0700
                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-05 12:20 -0700
                    Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-06-05 19:52 -0400
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              Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 17:36 -0700
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                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 19:01 -0700
      Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-06-04 10:13 -0700
        Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-04 13:42 -0400
          Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-06-04 11:08 -0700
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                  Re: American liberal fear peddlers, "US officials warn of encrypted communications by extremists" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-06-05 12:12 -0400
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#76360

Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 6/5/15, 8:37 PM, in article mktpqr$sk8$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Diesel is obviously excellent for good mileage but it pollutes way
>>>>>> more than conventional gas does which is why it has been phased out
>>>>>> (as far as I know)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, you don't know anything. That much is clear
>>>> 
>>>> 
> 
http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/Environment/EnvironmentalHe
>>>> althRT/WangGREETPresentationtoInstituteofMedicine1107REVISED.ashx
>>> 
>>> Page 19 clearly shows that diesel gets much better mileage than gas
>>> vehicles. It mentions a lot about clean diesel vehicles but what I've
>>> been told is that while it doesn't emit as much as conventional gas, the
>>> kind of emission is more toxic. Of course, I haven't gone too deep into
>>> the research.
>> 
>> From what I understand, with *no* research, is diesel emits a lot more
>> particulates (and, I think, some other pollutants).
> 
> For this reason modern diesel cars have filters in the exhaust.
> And because of this, diesel cars should not be used for short distances
> only, otherwise those filters could clog. The particles, if not filtered,
> can cause lung problems because they are small enough to get deep into the
> lungs
> 
>> Still, biodiesel sounds interesting though I am not sure I want cities
>> smelling like French fries. :)
>> 
> 
> biodiesel does not mean that it works and smells differently, just that
> the source of the diesel isn't crude oil
> 
> That smell you mention is present if you run the diesel engine on
> vegetable oil directly (several diesel engines can do that)

I don't like diesels only for this reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw2r_lIRgpY

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#76359

Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-06-05 6:42 PM, Tomas wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:24:49 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-06-05 5:00 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>> In article <mksmdf$v0b$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-06-05 12:58 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why does anyone imagine that electric cars will ever do anything?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Propaganda is very effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly reducing your consumption by not being heavy footed helps,
>>>>>>> and by anticipating the need in the few moments to slow down one can
>>>>>>> effect that just by removing the foot from the pedal and letting the
>>>>>>> car slow down by itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm aware and it's something that I already do. I shouldn't be
>>>>>> getting the incredible MPG rate I get from my Jeep Patriot I know the
>>>>>> car very well and know how to get the most out of it. As it is, I get
>>>>>> about 460km from a tank which holds about 45 litres which is slightly
>>>>>> better than 10l/100km.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get about 675 miles from a tank. 60 litres of diesel - which by the
>>>>> way has a high energy density. Unlike a battery.
>>>>
>>>> Diesel is obviously excellent for good mileage but it pollutes way more
>>>> than conventional gas does which is why it has been phased out (as far
>>>> as I know)
>>>
>>> Well, you don't know anything. That much is clear
>>
>> 
http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/Environment/EnvironmentalHealthRT/WangGREETPresentationtoInstituteofMedicine1107REVISED.ashx
> 
> Page 19 clearly shows that diesel gets much better mileage than gas
> vehicles. It mentions a lot about clean diesel vehicles but what I've
> been told is that while it doesn't emit as much as conventional gas, the
> kind of emission is more toxic. Of course, I haven't gone too deep into
> the research.
> 
> 
Diesel isn't toxic.  I remember people complaining about the smell when a 
diesel generator was running while a submarine was on the surface.  They 
used the air snorkel that pumped in air, and unfortunately brings in the 
exhaust as well.  The Navy tested for toxicity and found that it was safe.
No submariners were ever affected and I know a lot of them spent at least 20 
years in service and retired.

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#76372

On 2015-06-06 1:57 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>
>> On 2015-06-05 6:42 PM, Tomas wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:24:49 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-06-05 5:00 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>> In article <mksmdf$v0b$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-06-05 12:58 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why does anyone imagine that electric cars will ever do anything?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Propaganda is very effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly reducing your consumption by not being heavy footed helps,
>>>>>>>> and by anticipating the need in the few moments to slow down one can
>>>>>>>> effect that just by removing the foot from the pedal and letting the
>>>>>>>> car slow down by itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm aware and it's something that I already do. I shouldn't be
>>>>>>> getting the incredible MPG rate I get from my Jeep Patriot I know the
>>>>>>> car very well and know how to get the most out of it. As it is, I get
>>>>>>> about 460km from a tank which holds about 45 litres which is slightly
>>>>>>> better than 10l/100km.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get about 675 miles from a tank. 60 litres of diesel - which by the
>>>>>> way has a high energy density. Unlike a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diesel is obviously excellent for good mileage but it pollutes way more
>>>>> than conventional gas does which is why it has been phased out (as far
>>>>> as I know)
>>>>
>>>> Well, you don't know anything. That much is clear
>>>
>>>
> http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/Environment/EnvironmentalHealthRT/WangGREETPresentationtoInstituteofMedicine1107REVISED.ashx
>>
>> Page 19 clearly shows that diesel gets much better mileage than gas
>> vehicles. It mentions a lot about clean diesel vehicles but what I've
>> been told is that while it doesn't emit as much as conventional gas, the
>> kind of emission is more toxic. Of course, I haven't gone too deep into
>> the research.
>>
>>
> Diesel isn't toxic.  I remember people complaining about the smell when a
> diesel generator was running while a submarine was on the surface.  They
> used the air snorkel that pumped in air, and unfortunately brings in the
> exhaust as well.  The Navy tested for toxicity and found that it was safe.
> No submariners were ever affected and I know a lot of them spent at least 20
> years in service and retired.

So in the end, there is absolutely no good reason to use conventional 
gas over diesel?


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#76375

In article <mkvo6t$bu$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>On 2015-06-06 1:57 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> Slimer wrote:

>> http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/Environment/EnvironmentalHe
>> althRT/WangGREETPresentationtoInstituteofMedicine1107REVISED.ashx
>>>
>>> Page 19 clearly shows that diesel gets much better mileage than gas
>>> vehicles. It mentions a lot about clean diesel vehicles but what I've
>>> been told is that while it doesn't emit as much as conventional gas, the
>>> kind of emission is more toxic. Of course, I haven't gone too deep into
>>> the research.
>>>
>> Diesel isn't toxic.  I remember people complaining about the smell when a
>> diesel generator was running while a submarine was on the surface.  They
>> used the air snorkel that pumped in air, and unfortunately brings in the
>> exhaust as well.  The Navy tested for toxicity and found that it was safe.
>> No submariners were ever affected and I know a lot of them spent at least 20
>> years in service and retired.
>
>So in the end, there is absolutely no good reason to use conventional 
>gas over diesel?

A good proportion of people here have diesel cars. I got one because I
fancied the extra range - well over 600 miles. Diesel's a few
pence/litre more expensive here than petrol. OTOH, where I live I can
pop over to France for the day and stock up on wine, cheese, pate,
chocolate, and other items. Diesel is cheaper there so if I fill up in
France it goes offsets the cost of crossing the Channel a bit.

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#76322

In article <mkt7h7$bqi$1@dont-email.me>
Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> 
wrote:
>
> Slimer wrote:
>
> > On 2015-06-05 5:00 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> >> In article <mksmdf$v0b$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2015-06-05 12:58 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Why does anyone imagine that electric cars will ever do anything?
> >>>
> >>> Propaganda is very effective.
> >>>
> >>>> Certainly reducing your consumption by not being heavy footed helps,
> >>>> and by anticipating the need in the few moments to slow down one can
> >>>> effect that just by removing the foot from the pedal and letting the
> >>>> car slow down by itself.
> >>>
> >>> I'm aware and it's something that I already do. I shouldn't be getting
> >>> the incredible MPG rate I get from my Jeep Patriot I know the car very
> >>> well and know how to get the most out of it. As it is, I get about
> >>> 460km from a tank which holds about 45 litres which is slightly better
> >>> than 10l/100km.
> >>
> >> I get about 675 miles from a tank. 60 litres of diesel - which by the
> >> way has a high energy density. Unlike a battery.
> >
> > Diesel is obviously excellent for good mileage but it pollutes way more
> > than conventional gas does which is why it has been phased out (as far
> > as I know)
>
> Well, you don't know anything. That much is clear

Are you still running a XO-1, or did you convert a Mac to diesel?

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#76301 — fear peddlers

Tim Streater wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> In article <mksmdf$v0b$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>>Propaganda is very effective.
>>I'm aware and it's something that I already do.

Corrected to match Slimer's modus operandi.

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#76308 — Re: fear peddlers

On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 19:50:15 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

> fear peddlers

Be afraid. Be very afraid. 


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#76266

On 6/5/15, 8:44 AM, in article 050620150844481686%michelle@michelle.org,
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mksce0$hrq$2@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> 
>>> I live in the desert Southwest area of the USA.
>> 
>> I assume that the weather prevents the battery from discharging too
>> quickly in the car and since you're constantly in the sun, the solar
>> panels are incredibly effective. If I lived in that scenario, I would
>> gladly make the investment into solar panels.
>> 
>> As for the car, I have to wonder: what kind is it, what is your range,
>> how long have you had it, how quickly does the battery's capacity reduce?
> 
> It's a hybrid, not an electric car; I have had it since July 22, 2004.
> Time and temperature have taken its toll, though.  I used to get about
> 48 MPG year round in normal city driving in a mixture of street and
> freeway driving.  I'd get 53 going from Vegas to Phoenix, but about 50
> from Phoenix to Vegas.  Vegas is uphill from Phoenix.
> 
> Now, I'm getting about 44 on the average and about 3-4 MPG lower on
> long freeway trips than I used to get.

You live in that area and are not a conservative. Good. :)


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#76189

In article <040620151824213975%michelle@michelle.org>
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
> In article <mkqg6a$ldn$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
> > > Depends on who you count as relevant scientists, but, yeah, the percentage
> > > is that high or higher. When you look at scientific papers it nears 100% and
> > > when you look at scientific organizations with a stance it *is* 100%.
> >
> > Which begs the question: what have YOU done as a result of this
> > knowledge? In my case, I'm ready and willing to switch my car over to an
> > electric one once it becomes viable.
>
> I've been driving a hybrid car for about 131 months, and I'll replace
> it with another hybrid or an electric (If I can afford it) when it
> becomes unsafe to drive it any more.  Also, I had solar panels
> installed on my rooftop last August; they've generated more electricity
> than I've used for all save three months so far, and in those three
> months, my overage was minuscule.

You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool 
lane with your shitty hybrid.

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#76193

In article <01d0bbec2710fa5c82145a043a317121@dizum.com>, Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool 
> lane with your shitty hybrid.

Jealous much?

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#76262

In article <040620152157069877%michelle@michelle.org>
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
> In article <01d0bbec2710fa5c82145a043a317121@dizum.com>, Nomen Nescio
> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> > You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
> > lane with your shitty hybrid.
>
> Jealous much?

Why would someone be jealous of the hallmarks of American 
liberalism?  Selfishness, stupidity and greed.

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#76263

On 6/5/15, 11:24 AM, in article
a794a4aa75dba4b866bdd8eff20c9138@remailer.paranoici.org, "Anonymous"
<nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:

> In article <040620152157069877%michelle@michelle.org>
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>> In article <01d0bbec2710fa5c82145a043a317121@dizum.com>, Nomen Nescio
>> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
>>> lane with your shitty hybrid.
>> 
>> Jealous much?
> 
> Why would someone be jealous of the hallmarks of American
> liberalism?  Selfishness, stupidity and greed.

You confused modern conservatism with liberalism.

Conservatives are the ones pushing for special entitlements for the rich,
the heterosexual, the male, etc. Liberals are much more likely to push for
equal rights (though sometimes how to achieve this is challenging in
practice).


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#76324

In article <D197397C.4CDAE%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/5/15, 11:24 AM, in article
> a794a4aa75dba4b866bdd8eff20c9138@remailer.paranoici.org, "Anonymous"
> <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
>
> > In article <040620152157069877%michelle@michelle.org>
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <01d0bbec2710fa5c82145a043a317121@dizum.com>, Nomen Nescio
> >> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
> >>> lane with your shitty hybrid.
> >>
> >> Jealous much?
> >
> > Why would someone be jealous of the hallmarks of American
> > liberalism?  Selfishness, stupidity and greed.
>
> You confused modern conservatism with liberalism.

Explain how Nancy Pelosi became a multi-millionaire on a $140K a 
year as a public servant.

> Conservatives are the ones pushing for special entitlements for the rich,
> the heterosexual, the male, etc. Liberals are much more likely to push for
> equal rights (though sometimes how to achieve this is challenging in
> practice).

Now you're lying.

Protections for the rich against theft by democrats.

I don't see any legislation specifically protecting 
heterosexuals by name.

We do for gays.

I don't see any legislation specifically protecting 
heterosexuals from hate crimes.

We do for gays.

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#76333

On 6/5/15, 9:10 PM, in article
9e2bc6ab4a75a8237f0653de8a266c09@remailer.privacy.at, "Anonymous Remailer
(austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:

...
>> Conservatives are the ones pushing for special entitlements for the rich,
>> the heterosexual, the male, etc. Liberals are much more likely to push for
>> equal rights (though sometimes how to achieve this is challenging in
>> practice).
> 
> Now you're lying.

Which part do you disagree with? I am happy to give you specific examples.

> Protections for the rich against theft by democrats.

Income redistribution toward the wealthy is increasing. Your claim does not
match the facts.

> I don't see any legislation specifically protecting
> heterosexuals by name.

Denying gays equal rights to marriage means giving special entitlements to
heterosexuals. It is interesting that you admit to not seeing this - to
being completely ignorant of a major civil rights topic.
 
> We do for gays.
> 
> I don't see any legislation specifically protecting
> heterosexuals from hate crimes.
> 
> We do for gays.

Not relevant. 



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#76290

On 2015-06-05 2:24 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> In article <040620152157069877%michelle@michelle.org>
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>> In article <01d0bbec2710fa5c82145a043a317121@dizum.com>, Nomen Nescio
>> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
>>> lane with your shitty hybrid.
>>
>> Jealous much?
>
> Why would someone be jealous of the hallmarks of American
> liberalism?  Selfishness, stupidity and greed.

+1.


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Encrypt.

"Figuring that linux has only 1.5% of any market share as a desktop os, 
it also implies that the end user is stupid enough to fiddle with an old 
WWII bomb that didn't go off." - GreyCloud

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#76227

On 2015-06-05 12:33 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <040620151824213975%michelle@michelle.org>
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>> In article <mkqg6a$ldn$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>
>>>> Depends on who you count as relevant scientists, but, yeah, the percentage
>>>> is that high or higher. When you look at scientific papers it nears 100% and
>>>> when you look at scientific organizations with a stance it *is* 100%.
>>>
>>> Which begs the question: what have YOU done as a result of this
>>> knowledge? In my case, I'm ready and willing to switch my car over to an
>>> electric one once it becomes viable.
>>
>> I've been driving a hybrid car for about 131 months, and I'll replace
>> it with another hybrid or an electric (If I can afford it) when it
>> becomes unsafe to drive it any more.  Also, I had solar panels
>> installed on my rooftop last August; they've generated more electricity
>> than I've used for all save three months so far, and in those three
>> months, my overage was minuscule.
>
> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
> lane with your shitty hybrid.

And if she is? What difference does it make? Are you afraid that she 
won't impress you with her speed? I find it remarkable how idiots think 
that they're somehow special because their car allows them to push 
harder on the pedal to go faster. I'm sure a lot of obese pieces of crap 
think they're much better than a 200 pound muscular man because they're 
driving at 150km/h whereas the latter is respecting the speed limit. 
Women are differently much more attracted to the 350lb pile of poop than 
the slim, muscular man.


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Encrypt.

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also implies that the end user is stupid enough to fiddle with an old WWII
bomb that didn't go off." - GreyCloud

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#76231

"Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote in message news:mksdtl$o83$2@dont-email.me...
> On 2015-06-05 12:33 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> In article <040620151824213975%michelle@michelle.org>
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <mkqg6a$ldn$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Depends on who you count as relevant scientists, but, yeah, the 
>>>>> percentage
>>>>> is that high or higher. When you look at scientific papers it nears 
>>>>> 100% and
>>>>> when you look at scientific organizations with a stance it *is* 100%.
>>>>
>>>> Which begs the question: what have YOU done as a result of this
>>>> knowledge? In my case, I'm ready and willing to switch my car over to 
>>>> an
>>>> electric one once it becomes viable.
>>>
>>> I've been driving a hybrid car for about 131 months, and I'll replace
>>> it with another hybrid or an electric (If I can afford it) when it
>>> becomes unsafe to drive it any more.  Also, I had solar panels
>>> installed on my rooftop last August; they've generated more electricity
>>> than I've used for all save three months so far, and in those three
>>> months, my overage was minuscule.
>>
>> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
>> lane with your shitty hybrid.
>
> And if she is? What difference does it make? Are you afraid that she won't 
> impress you with her speed? I find it remarkable how idiots think that 
> they're somehow special because their car allows them to push harder on 
> the pedal to go faster. I'm sure a lot of obese pieces of crap think 
> they're much better than a 200 pound muscular man because they're driving 
> at 150km/h whereas the latter is respecting the speed limit. Women are 
> differently much more attracted to the 350lb pile of poop than the slim, 
> muscular man.
>

I used to drive to work every day here in Boston. It didn't matter one bit 
what car you had. Everyone was crawling in traffic at about 15-20 MPH.  The 
old man in the Ford Fiesta was moving along just as fast as the guy in the 
Aston Martin.

I "used to drive" because we moved 12 months ago into the city and I can now 
take the Red Line (train) to work each day. So on weekdays traffic is no 
longer an issue.

The roads here are too beat up to go fast anyway. Even at 70 MPH there are 
way too many bumps and sections of uneven pavement where a good suspension 
is more useful than a high top-end speed. Hitting a good bump at 70-MPH 
where they're working on a bridge can really test your suspension.

-- 
This reminds me of a Relf classic.

    "Testing is how you know
     if the  code works or not,
     not compile-time warnings."
     -  Jeff Relf

Heh.  One doesn't need to be a pro, to know how stupid that is...


New thread from turdv displaying his ignorance
June 13, 2014
<d6plp958n3o545aqg62banloa9sip3ds6n@4ax.com>

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#76241

On 2015-06-05 11:20 AM, Ezekiel wrote:
> "Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote in message news:mksdtl$o83$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 2015-06-05 12:33 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> In article <040620151824213975%michelle@michelle.org>
>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In article <mkqg6a$ldn$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on who you count as relevant scientists, but, yeah, the
>>>>>> percentage
>>>>>> is that high or higher. When you look at scientific papers it nears
>>>>>> 100% and
>>>>>> when you look at scientific organizations with a stance it *is* 100%.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which begs the question: what have YOU done as a result of this
>>>>> knowledge? In my case, I'm ready and willing to switch my car over to
>>>>> an
>>>>> electric one once it becomes viable.
>>>>
>>>> I've been driving a hybrid car for about 131 months, and I'll replace
>>>> it with another hybrid or an electric (If I can afford it) when it
>>>> becomes unsafe to drive it any more.  Also, I had solar panels
>>>> installed on my rooftop last August; they've generated more electricity
>>>> than I've used for all save three months so far, and in those three
>>>> months, my overage was minuscule.
>>>
>>> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
>>> lane with your shitty hybrid.
>>
>> And if she is? What difference does it make? Are you afraid that she won't
>> impress you with her speed? I find it remarkable how idiots think that
>> they're somehow special because their car allows them to push harder on
>> the pedal to go faster. I'm sure a lot of obese pieces of crap think
>> they're much better than a 200 pound muscular man because they're driving
>> at 150km/h whereas the latter is respecting the speed limit. Women are
>> differently much more attracted to the 350lb pile of poop than the slim,
>> muscular man.
>>
>
> I used to drive to work every day here in Boston. It didn't matter one bit
> what car you had. Everyone was crawling in traffic at about 15-20 MPH.  The
> old man in the Ford Fiesta was moving along just as fast as the guy in the
> Aston Martin.
>
> I "used to drive" because we moved 12 months ago into the city and I can now
> take the Red Line (train) to work each day. So on weekdays traffic is no
> longer an issue.
>
> The roads here are too beat up to go fast anyway. Even at 70 MPH there are
> way too many bumps and sections of uneven pavement where a good suspension
> is more useful than a high top-end speed. Hitting a good bump at 70-MPH
> where they're working on a bridge can really test your suspension.

The reason I drive a piece of crap Jeep Patriot (that I admittedly take 
good care of) is because I know that whatever car I buy will be 
destroyed by a combination of the climate, the broken roads and the 
rocks my car will inevitably receive on the highway. Knowing that such 
destruction is inevitable makes me wonder why I would spend more money 
on a better car.

Apparently "comfort" is the argument in favour of spending more which is 
meaningless to me because I am just as comfortable in a shitty Ford 
Focus as I am in a BMW. Reliability is no longer an issue since even the 
least expensive car will hold up nowadays. Unless you're someone like 
Peter der Klöwn, you should have no trouble getting ten years out of 
just about anything you purchase.

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Encrypt.

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#76276

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> In article <040620151824213975%michelle@michelle.org>
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>> In article <mkqg6a$ldn$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>
>> > > Depends on who you count as relevant scientists, but, yeah, the
>> > > percentage is that high or higher. When you look at scientific papers
>> > > it nears 100% and when you look at scientific organizations with a
>> > > stance it *is* 100%.
>> >
>> > Which begs the question: what have YOU done as a result of this
>> > knowledge? In my case, I'm ready and willing to switch my car over to
>> > an electric one once it becomes viable.
>>
>> I've been driving a hybrid car for about 131 months, and I'll replace
>> it with another hybrid or an electric (If I can afford it) when it
>> becomes unsafe to drive it any more.  Also, I had solar panels
>> installed on my rooftop last August; they've generated more electricity
>> than I've used for all save three months so far, and in those three
>> months, my overage was minuscule.
> 
> You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
> lane with your shitty hybrid.

He doesn't realize that these hybrids aren't really "Green-Cars".  It took 
more energy to build them than regular cars and most likely far more 
pollution to build these hybrids.

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#76318

In article <rqGdnYAR_bkrnO_InZ2dnUU7-LOdnZ2d@bresnan.com>
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> > In article <040620151824213975%michelle@michelle.org>
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <mkqg6a$ldn$1@dont-email.me>, Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Depends on who you count as relevant scientists, but, yeah, the
> >> > > percentage is that high or higher. When you look at scientific papers
> >> > > it nears 100% and when you look at scientific organizations with a
> >> > > stance it *is* 100%.
> >> >
> >> > Which begs the question: what have YOU done as a result of this
> >> > knowledge? In my case, I'm ready and willing to switch my car over to
> >> > an electric one once it becomes viable.
> >>
> >> I've been driving a hybrid car for about 131 months, and I'll replace
> >> it with another hybrid or an electric (If I can afford it) when it
> >> becomes unsafe to drive it any more.  Also, I had solar panels
> >> installed on my rooftop last August; they've generated more electricity
> >> than I've used for all save three months so far, and in those three
> >> months, my overage was minuscule.
> >
> > You must be one of those retards driving 60 MPH in the car pool
> > lane with your shitty hybrid.
>
> He doesn't realize that these hybrids aren't really "Green-Cars".  It took
> more energy to build them than regular cars and most likely far more
> pollution to build these hybrids.

Way more.  The Chinese built all the parts and they polluted 
miles of rivers so badly the water cannot be consumed.  What did 
they do?  They moved the same contaminating production farther 
up the river and abandoned the cities below.  Liberals don't 
care about that part.

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