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  Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 15:16 -0700
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 18:42 -0400
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 16:43 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 12:50 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 20:04 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:53 -0500
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:14 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 15:17 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:09 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-04 15:15 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 15:26 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 09:12 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 09:28 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 20:56 +0000
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 16:25 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:10 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 17:50 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:11 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:11 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 15:17 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:08 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 20:28 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:49 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 01:14 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-04 06:46 -0800
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 13:11 -0500
                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 09:09 -0800
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 12:58 -0500
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 10:52 -0800
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-05 21:37 +0000
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 09:49 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:13 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 16:38 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 18:57 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-15 09:45 +0100
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 09:42 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-15 08:14 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-15 09:23 -0800
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-17 12:25 +0100
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 12:56 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:28 +1300
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-15 09:44 +0100
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:24 +1300
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-16 16:37 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-14 21:33 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:46 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 08:00 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:40 -0700
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 13:34 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 20:59 +0000
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 12:00 -0700
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:27 -0400
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:44 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:16 +1300
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 16:38 -0800
                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 19:01 +1300
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-15 07:10 -0800
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-15 08:19 -0800
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 12:59 -0500
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 11:40 +1300
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:36 +1300
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 23:35 -0500
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-15 22:31 -0700
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 01:23 -0500
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:27 +0100
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-16 08:32 -0700
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 18:54 +1300
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-16 08:34 -0700
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-20 17:33 +0100
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 11:41 +1300
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 13:14 +0100
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:18 +0000
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 12:40 -0500
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 23:29 +0100
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:17 +1300
                                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 20:15 -0500
                                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2013-11-17 09:10 +0100
                                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:36 +1300
                                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-17 15:41 -0500
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 20:12 -0500
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 12:30 -0500
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-16 09:43 -0800
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-18 02:13 -0800
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-19 09:01 +1300
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-15 09:24 -0700
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-14 13:59 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:37 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:00 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 17:40 -0500
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:24 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-06 16:52 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-07 13:31 +1300
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-07 06:02 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:24 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:49 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 19:15 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 13:43 -0700
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 03:00 -0800
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 20:02 -0400
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 02:57 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 13:11 -0500
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 10:24 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-05 02:24 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 09:59 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-05 08:59 -0700
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-05 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 20:29 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-06 07:45 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-06 02:20 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 07:56 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-05 08:39 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 12:58 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-05 20:02 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-06 16:38 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 21:55 +0100
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 17:04 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-06 09:29 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:47 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-15 06:57 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 13:01 -0500
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 13:25 +0100
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 09:47 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:09 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-14 14:06 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-02 16:56 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:34 -0700
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 12:04 +1300
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 16:46 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:35 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 13:03 +1300
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 21:52 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 18:03 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-02 22:06 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 15:26 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:07 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-04 00:41 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:47 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-04 06:30 -0700
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 06:38 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:26 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 12:28 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 13:44 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:20 +0100
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 16:53 -0700
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:41 -0700
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-02 19:49 -0500
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-03 14:22 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 18:34 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:15 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 12:30 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:29 +1300
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:48 -0700
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 02:00 +0100
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 18:13 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:59 +0100
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 00:05 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:39 -0700
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 07:51 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 08:26 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-04 17:14 +0100
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 09:11 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:20 +0000
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:16 +0100
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 00:22 -0400
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 21:56 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 13:38 -0500
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-03 17:51 -0500
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:14 +0100
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:08 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 15:02 +0000
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-07 09:24 -0600
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-07 09:06 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-07 08:27 -0800
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-10 16:45 +1300
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-08 09:48 -0800

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#51653 — Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks

Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few 
changes I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just 
have to tolerate.
This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due 
to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.

1.	With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file in 
the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file. 
Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and 
providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information 
is now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat 
thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location 
information.
Does anybody here know how to go about restoring that old SL feature? 
...or am I just pissing in the wind?

2.	In a 10.6.8 finder/folder window I used to have information 
regarding the number of items in that window and the available disc 
space available of that particular partition. In 10.9, we have a very 
neat and clean window design ( the bottom of the window is now Jon Ive 
uncluttered) with none of that information and no option in the Finder 
Preferences, or the View Options to restore that information. While I 
can certainly select "Get Info" to get specific information in the 
usual Info window, the old tag at the bottom of the folder/finder 
window is gone, sacrifice to the Gods of neatness.

3.	What ever happened to "Save as" in Preview? What were they thinking?

4.	...and now for my idiot encounter.
After my 10.6.8 to 10.9 move, I checked all my various applications to 
see what other than MT-NW was lost to me. I have a LinkSys/Cisco E4200 
providing me with my home Wi-Fi network. With that comes "Cisco 
Connect" management app. when I checked that I got this message;
"Unsupported Operating system
The router software supports these operating systems:
-Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later
-Mac OS X 10.6.1 or later
-Mac OS X 10.7 or later"

Obviously they didn't stick strictly to the meaning of "later" I am 
familiar with as 10.9 is certainly later than 10.6.1. So I called 
support as the support page was positively unsupportive. After 
explaining my issue to the resident "support idiot" he suggested that 
my best solution would be to replace my E4200 with their latest 
offering. I asked if the software packaged with their latest routers 
was OSX 10.9 compatible, he had no idea. He had no idea how they would 
provide an update if and when one would become available for my E4200 
or the latest & greatest they have for sale as they don't have 
downloads available, only manual PDFs.

Sheesh!!!

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51654

On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
> Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few changes
> I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just have to
> tolerate.
> This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due
> to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.
>
> 1.    With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file
> in the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file.
> Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and
> providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information is
> now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat
> thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location
> information.
> Does anybody here know how to go about restoring that old SL feature?
> ...or am I just pissing in the wind?

While your white pants look nice in wind blown pale yellow you can also 
search in finder.  The path is at the bottom of the finder window, and 
you can "right" click to "open enclosing folder" (or "view in finder", 
whatever).


>
> 2.    In a 10.6.8 finder/folder window I used to have information
> regarding the number of items in that window and the available disc
> space available of that particular partition. In 10.9, we have a very
> neat and clean window design ( the bottom of the window is now Jon Ive
> uncluttered) with none of that information and no option in the Finder
> Preferences, or the View Options to restore that information. While I
> can certainly select "Get Info" to get specific information in the usual
> Info window, the old tag at the bottom of the folder/finder window is
> gone, sacrifice to the Gods of neatness.

                 In Finder:    View | Show [Hide] Path Bar

>
> 3.    What ever happened to "Save as" in Preview? What were they thinking?

I still have it (in the File menu).  There's no toolbar button (was 
there before?).

>
> 4.    ...and now for my idiot encounter.
> After my 10.6.8 to 10.9 move, I checked all my various applications to
> see what other than MT-NW was lost to me. I have a LinkSys/Cisco E4200
> providing me with my home Wi-Fi network. With that comes "Cisco Connect"
> management app. when I checked that I got this message;
> "Unsupported Operating system
> The router software supports these operating systems:
> -Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later
> -Mac OS X 10.6.1 or later
> -Mac OS X 10.7 or later"
>
> Obviously they didn't stick strictly to the meaning of "later" I am
> familiar with as 10.9 is certainly later than 10.6.1. So I called
> support as the support page was positively unsupportive. After
> explaining my issue to the resident "support idiot" he suggested that my
> best solution would be to replace my E4200 with their latest offering. I
> asked if the software packaged with their latest routers was OSX 10.9
> compatible, he had no idea. He had no idea how they would provide an
> update if and when one would become available for my E4200 or the latest
> & greatest they have for sale as they don't have downloads available,
> only manual PDFs.

Can't help you there - to put a point on it: I have no issues at all.



-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#51667

On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
>> Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few changes
>> I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just have to
>> tolerate.
>> This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due
>> to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.
>> 
>> 1.    With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file
>> in the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file.
>> Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and
>> providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information is
>> now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat
>> thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location
>> information.
>> Does anybody here know how to go about restoring that old SL feature?
>> ...or am I just pissing in the wind?
> 
> While your white pants look nice in wind blown pale yellow you can also 
> search in finder.  The path is at the bottom of the finder window, and 
> you can "right" click to "open enclosing folder" (or "view in finder", 
> whatever).

OK! That solves the that issue. So, tell me again, why should I use 
"Spotlight now?


>> 2.    In a 10.6.8 finder/folder window I used to have information
>> regarding the number of items in that window and the available disc
>> space available of that particular partition. In 10.9, we have a very
>> neat and clean window design ( the bottom of the window is now Jon Ive
>> uncluttered) with none of that information and no option in the Finder
>> Preferences, or the View Options to restore that information. While I
>> can certainly select "Get Info" to get specific information in the usual
>> Info window, the old tag at the bottom of the folder/finder window is
>> gone, sacrifice to the Gods of neatness.
> 
>                  In Finder:    View | Show [Hide] Path Bar

That has always existed and is useful when needed. However, that seems 
to be providing an answer to the prior issue and only provides path 
information for the open folder and does not rest or replace the 
information which was previously available in "Spotlight". It certainly 
doesn't address my peeve #2.


>> 3.    What ever happened to "Save as" in Preview? What were they thinking?
> 
> I still have it (in the File menu).

I don't. It has vanished, blown away by the Cupertino "cyber winds".
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_351.jpg >

> There's no toolbar button (was there before?).

Nope, I always accessed the "Save As " in Preview from the File menu or 
keyboard short cut.
In 10.9 the former keyboard shortcut for "Save As" (Shift-cmnd-S) is 
now assigned to "Duplicate".


>> 
>> 4.    ...and now for my idiot encounter.
>> After my 10.6.8 to 10.9 move, I checked all my various applications to
>> see what other than MT-NW was lost to me. I have a LinkSys/Cisco E4200
>> providing me with my home Wi-Fi network. With that comes "Cisco Connect"
>> management app. when I checked that I got this message;
>> "Unsupported Operating system
>> The router software supports these operating systems:
>> -Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later
>> -Mac OS X 10.6.1 or later
>> -Mac OS X 10.7 or later"
>> 
>> Obviously they didn't stick strictly to the meaning of "later" I am
>> familiar with as 10.9 is certainly later than 10.6.1. So I called
>> support as the support page was positively unsupportive. After
>> explaining my issue to the resident "support idiot" he suggested that my
>> best solution would be to replace my E4200 with their latest offering. I
>> asked if the software packaged with their latest routers was OSX 10.9
>> compatible, he had no idea. He had no idea how they would provide an
>> update if and when one would become available for my E4200 or the latest
>> & greatest they have for sale as they don't have downloads available,
>> only manual PDFs.
> 
> Can't help you there - to put a point on it: I have no issues at all.

As I have said, nothing insurmountable, and nothing I cannot tolerate, 
but I am irritated a tad, and I am mostly pleased with OSX 10.9.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51669

In article <2013110216432269775-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne 
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
> > On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
> >> Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few changes
> >> I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just have to
> >> tolerate.
> >> This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due
> >> to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.
> >> 
> >> 1.    With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file
> >> in the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file.
> >> Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and
> >> providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information is
> >> now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat
> >> thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location
> >> information.
> >> Does anybody here know how to go about restoring that old SL feature?
> >> ...or am I just pissing in the wind?
> > 
> > While your white pants look nice in wind blown pale yellow you can also 
> > search in finder.  The path is at the bottom of the finder window, and 
> > you can "right" click to "open enclosing folder" (or "view in finder", 
> > whatever).
> 
> OK! That solves the that issue. So, tell me again, why should I use 
> "Spotlight now?

Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
(including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.

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#51677

On 2013.11.02, 19:50 , Your Name wrote:

> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.

I esp. use it to launch secondary apps (like terminal)

     - cmd-spacebar
     - <t> <e>
     - <enter>

that's it.  running.

Dictionary lookups.


For files I use the spotlight entry in Finder.


-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#51745

Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary 
evil.

I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search 
options.

https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind

It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App 
Store.

-- 
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits."

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#51766

In article <fredp151-3CED90.05531403112013@news.eternal-september.org>,
FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary 
> evil.
> 
> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search 
> options.
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
> 
> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App 
> Store.

easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.

what's much better and works like find used to work is find any file.

it walks the b-trees rather than rely an an index that might be out of
date or even corrupt.

<http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>

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#51782

On 2013-11-03 17:28:18 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <fredp151-3CED90.05531403112013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary
>> evil.
>> 
>> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search
>> options.
>> 
>> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
>> 
>> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App
>> Store.
> 
> easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.

Precisely: It's gui is why it exists.

I'm a big fan of Devon.

> what's much better and works like find used to work is find any file.
> 
> it walks the b-trees rather than rely an an index that might be out of
> date or even corrupt.
> 
> <http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>

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#51785

In article <2013110312141586142-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary
> >> evil.
> >> 
> >> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search
> >> options.
> >> 
> >> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
> >> 
> >> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App
> >> Store.
> > 
> > easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.
> 
> Precisely: It's gui is why it exists.

however, it's still subject to spotlight's limitations.

> I'm a big fan of Devon.
> 
> > what's much better and works like find used to work is find any file.
> > 
> > it walks the b-trees rather than rely an an index that might be out of
> > date or even corrupt.
> > 
> > <http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>

find any file does not use spotlight and therefore has no problem
finding anything.

like its name says, it really does find any file.

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#51810

On 2013-11-03 19:17:53 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2013110312141586142-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>>>> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary
>>>> evil.
>>>> 
>>>> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search
>>>> options.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
>>>> 
>>>> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App
>>>> Store.
>>> 
>>> easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.
>> 
>> Precisely: It's gui is why it exists.
> 
> however, it's still subject to spotlight's limitations.

What are those exactly?

>> I'm a big fan of Devon.
>> 
>>> what's much better and works like find used to work is find any file.
>>> 
>>> it walks the b-trees rather than rely an an index that might be out of
>>> date or even corrupt.
>>> 
>>> <http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>
> 
> find any file does not use spotlight and therefore has no problem
> finding anything.
> 
> like its name says, it really does find any file.

Despite the fact that it currently has some catch-up with Mavericks 
left to go, I'm downloading it now. My needs can always be bettered.

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#51852

In article <031120131328180520%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.

I don't think so. From the EasyFind read me:

"EasyFind finds files, folders or contents in any file without the need 
for indexing. This is especially useful if you are tired of slow or 
impossible indexing, outdated or corrupted indexes, or if you are just 
looking for missing features like case sensitive or insensitive search, 
Boolean operators and wildcards or searching for phrases."

This is why EasyFind is slower than SpotLight, **IF** SpotLight finds 
what you're looking for. In my long use of EasyFind, it has NEVER not 
found an item which *is*there*. SpotLIght *regularly* misses items which 
I know are there and in places where it should look, like my home 
folder, even when I have rebuilt the SpotLight index. I have done 
experiments where I'll be looking right at a file I'm trying to find 
with SpotLight, and it'll not find it.

Another useful tool I've used which is very fast is Locator, a GUI for 
the built-in UNIX locate command (the inspiration for SpotLight). OS 
10's chron routines evidently no longer update the locate database, but 
Locator has a button to do this. However, EasyFind and Find Any File are 
what I use most of the time.

-- 
Entropy happens.

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#51853

In article <fmoore-8C70CF.15154604112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> > easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.
> 
> I don't think so. From the EasyFind read me:
> 
> "EasyFind finds files, folders or contents in any file without the need 
> for indexing. This is especially useful if you are tired of slow or 
> impossible indexing, outdated or corrupted indexes, or if you are just 
> looking for missing features like case sensitive or insensitive search, 
> Boolean operators and wildcards or searching for phrases."

i must be thinking of something else then.

there are a few spotlight 'replacements', but all they do is wrap a gui
around the cryptic spotlight commands.

> This is why EasyFind is slower than SpotLight, **IF** SpotLight finds 
> what you're looking for. In my long use of EasyFind, it has NEVER not 
> found an item which *is*there*. SpotLIght *regularly* misses items which 
> I know are there and in places where it should look, like my home 
> folder, even when I have rebuilt the SpotLight index. I have done 
> experiments where I'll be looking right at a file I'm trying to find 
> with SpotLight, and it'll not find it.

that's because spotlight is fundamentally broken by relying on an
index, which may be out of sync with what's on the hard drive (or
corrupt and it doesn't tell you that).

it isn't actually searching the hard drive. 

> Another useful tool I've used which is very fast is Locator, a GUI for 
> the built-in UNIX locate command (the inspiration for SpotLight). OS 
> 10's chron routines evidently no longer update the locate database, but 
> Locator has a button to do this. However, EasyFind and Find Any File are 
> what I use most of the time.

that is even worse.

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#51884

On 2013-11-04 20:15:46 +0000, Fred Moore said:

> In article <031120131328180520%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> easyfind uses spotlight under the hood.
> 
> I don't think so. From the EasyFind read me:
> 
> "EasyFind finds files, folders or contents in any file without the need
> for indexing. This is especially useful if you are tired of slow or
> impossible indexing, outdated or corrupted indexes, or if you are just
> looking for missing features like case sensitive or insensitive search,
> Boolean operators and wildcards or searching for phrases."

Hmm. It doesn't index but it doesn't explicitly say it doesn't USE 
indexes if they are available...

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#51791

In article <fredp151-3CED90.05531403112013@news.eternal-september.org>,
FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary 
> evil.
> 
> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search 
> options.
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
> 
> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App 
> Store.

For those who do like using Spotlight, there is app called Quicksilver
which is apparently a even better and does more.

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#51795

In message <fredp151-3CED90.05531403112013@news.eternal-september.org> 
  FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary 
> evil.

> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search 
> options.

> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind

> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App 
> Store.

Spotlight is much *much* faster than Easyfind.

-- 
I WILL NOT TRADE PANTS WITH OTHERS Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F05

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#51797

In article <slrnl7de4o.gum.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Spotlight is much *much* faster than Easyfind.

easyfind uses spotlight.

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#51811

On 2013-11-03 20:56:54 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <fredp151-3CED90.05531403112013@news.eternal-september.org>
>   FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary
>> evil.
> 
>> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search
>> options.
> 
>> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
> 
>> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App
>> Store.
> 
> Spotlight is much *much* faster than Easyfind.

Sometimes I'm glad to take slower if I get "more specific".

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#51799

On 2013.11.03, 05:53 , FPP wrote:
> Never liked Spotlight... hated it since day one, but it's a necessary
> evil.
>
> I use an app called EasyFind that allows you about a million more search
> options.
>
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind
>
> It's free, uses very little memory, and it's available from the App
> Store.

I suspect that anyone who uses the "language" of spotlight will get as 
many options as needed and quicker results.

eg: negation to exclude results; boolean operators; file kinds, etc. 
winnow out the results quite handily.

-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#51813

On 2013-11-03 22:50:24 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> I suspect that anyone who uses the "language" of spotlight will get as 
> many options as needed and quicker results.
> 
> eg: negation to exclude results; boolean operators; file kinds, etc. 
> winnow out the results quite handily.

Perhaps you're right.  Is there a complete instructions for this somewheres?

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#51781

On 2013-11-02 23:50:11 +0000, Your Name said:

> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.

As do I--particularly when I only have a shard in mind of the file name.

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