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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-02-09 17:41 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 578 — 55 participants |
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Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-16 15:20 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 10:09 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 13:20 -0700
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 14:04 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:10 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 14:35 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:39 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 15:30 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:35 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-27 22:10 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:59 -0500
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:37 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:16 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:38 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:49 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 18:59 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:28 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:01 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 02:59 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:50 -0700
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 04:16 -0400
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:36 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:34 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:04 +1300
Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:18 -0700
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:34 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:57 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 16:04 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 23:24 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 12:41 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 15:51 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:28 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:55 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 17:01 -0700
Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:53 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:27 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 04:50 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:04 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-30 12:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:27 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:56 +1300
Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 19:28 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:56 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:07 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:29 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 16:01 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 21:37 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:17 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:20 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:27 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 21:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:41 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-29 00:36 +0000
Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:00 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:14 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:42 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:49 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 22:32 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:00 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 13:56 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 14:24 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:19 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:30 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 17:37 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 23:00 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 18:36 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:32 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-01 10:39 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-02 10:00 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-01 16:43 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 11:02 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 16:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 10:41 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 17:09 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 11:02 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:34 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:13 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:14 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 14:08 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:33 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 19:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:32 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:06 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 07:45 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 13:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 15:05 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 13:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:36 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 13:18 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:09 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 20:51 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:29 +0100
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 22:07 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 12:07 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 11:17 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 11:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 16:12 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-31 16:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders =?UTF-8?Q?=21=C2=A1=21?= Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 16:41 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡!? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 11:55 -0500
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-11-02 13:22 +1100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 05:41 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 14:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 13:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 10:58 -0500
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:58 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:49 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 17:08 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 13:21 -0500
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 19:31 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:27 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:47 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 23:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 23:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:36 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 21:03 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:33 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:44 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 18:16 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 20:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:54 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 21:19 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-04 12:20 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 04:39 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:49 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:02 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 19:13 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 03:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 00:53 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:14 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-08 16:28 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-09 04:13 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-10 08:28 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-11 09:02 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:52 -0800
Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:56 -0800
Re: Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-12 09:00 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:54 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 09:21 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-12 14:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:29 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:52 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-12 14:27 -0800
Re: Newsreaders !�! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-12 17:04 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:45 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:15 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-14 12:08 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:38 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:32 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:41 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:02 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:00 -0500
Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-17 17:14 -0800
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-11 22:37 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 13:50 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 03:59 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:31 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:37 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-12 21:47 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 16:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:37 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-14 09:24 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:23 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 13:18 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:34 -0600
Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Martin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 05:08 +0000
Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-16 11:07 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 08:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 19:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 00:15 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 13:36 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 02:59 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:11 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 11:49 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-14 02:03 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:30 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 05:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-15 18:23 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:36 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:03 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:34 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:15 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 04:20 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 13:47 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:45 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 07:55 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 17:51 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-15 12:21 -0800
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:32 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:47 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:30 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-15 13:26 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 22:09 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 03:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 07:59 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:54 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:51 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:21 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:17 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:09 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:08 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:09 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !?! David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-11-16 13:33 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:47 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:59 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:36 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:49 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-18 06:52 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:51 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-16 07:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 11:10 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:50 -0600
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:14 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 17:48 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:40 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 05:37 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-17 15:15 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:51 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:16 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:09 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:27 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¬°! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 15:44 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 18:02 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:45 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:51 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:53 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !?! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-02 14:02 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-02 21:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 21:32 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-03 00:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:55 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:07 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:23 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:07 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 18:31 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:10 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:50 -0700
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 16:12 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:28 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:13 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:30 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:37 -0800
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-04 02:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:33 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 10:12 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:15 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-08 06:28 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-08 19:02 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 19:29 +0000
Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-09 12:50 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-09 13:21 +0000
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:06 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:35 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 18:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 22:31 +0100
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-09 23:46 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:33 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:46 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 19:09 -0700
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 22:03 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 14:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-10 15:10 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 13:43 -0500
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-11 00:29 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 20:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 20:05 +0100
Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-14 12:20 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 18:40 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 23:45 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-14 17:16 +0100
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-14 12:11 -0500
Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:22 +0100
Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 10:27 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 15:24 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 23:47 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:21 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-09 11:22 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 22:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:37 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:59 -0500
Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 06:40 +1100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:01 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:23 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:40 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 22:45 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 22:07 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:38 -0600
Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 +1100
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:06 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:02 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 16:28 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:30 -0600
Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:30 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 04:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 23:38 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:15 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-13 13:52 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:33 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-16 08:23 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:58 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-16 15:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-11 23:40 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:32 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 05:02 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:46 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:40 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 20:29 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 11:30 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:08 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 13:32 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:00 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:35 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:19 -0500
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:31 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:20 -0700
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:16 -0800
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:46 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:52 +0000
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:57 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 01:41 +0000
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-15 11:36 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-15 20:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:05 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:31 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:51 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-16 12:28 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:33 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-17 17:42 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:01 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-17 02:59 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:38 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:26 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:14 -0800
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-14 17:04 -0500
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:55 -0500
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0700
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:29 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:26 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 22:33 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:51 -0500
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:23 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:41 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:37 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:38 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:24 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:11 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:27 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:53 -0500
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:11 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 20:04 -0500
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:05 -0600
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:32 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:17 +0100
Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:18 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 12:41 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:55 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:58 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:47 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-12 02:05 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 18:31 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 11:39 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 19:02 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 11:31 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 19:11 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:32 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-14 17:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 19:10 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:50 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-25 21:08 -0600
Re: Newsreaders Michael Breslau <mbreslau@speakeasy.org> - 2014-02-26 08:03 -0800
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-26 20:12 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:41 -0700
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| From | Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 18:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <l560dh$ht8$1@tota-refugium.de> |
| In reply to | #51757 |
On 11/3/13 4:44 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <l54qnn$dva$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun > <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote: > >>> The commonly accepted definition of a Mac application is one written >>> for the Macintosh, using Apple's API's (which means that they use >>> Apple's GUI). nospam is right. >> >> You mean that it would run nowhere else without being profoundly >> rewritten with non-Apple API's? > > There are compilers that will build for various OSes, just by flipping > a switch. > The easiest way to get an app universal is to compile it with the GTK APIs. GTK runs natively on Linux, but GTK connectors exist for Mac and for Windows alltogether. Then the question arises: would the result be a Mac application? -- One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round. One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <031120131328170445%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #51764 |
In article <l560dh$ht8$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote: > The easiest way to get an app universal is to compile it with the GTK APIs. not necessarily. there are a lot of cross-platform frameworks. > GTK runs natively on Linux, but GTK connectors exist for Mac and for > Windows alltogether. > Then the question arises: would the result be a Mac application? no, it would be a gtk application that runs on the mac.
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| From | Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 20:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <l5699j$gpb$1@tota-refugium.de> |
| In reply to | #51765 |
On 03.11.2013 18:28, nospam wrote: > In article <l560dh$ht8$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun > <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote: > >> The easiest way to get an app universal is to compile it with the GTK APIs. > > not necessarily. there are a lot of cross-platform frameworks. > And then, would that be Mac applications? Most developers won't want to put all their eggs in one basket and prefer using universal frameworks over the vanilla mac APIs. So how many applications are really qualifying to be "mac apps"? -- One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round. One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 14:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <031120131454502012%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #51773 |
In article <l5699j$gpb$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote: > >> The easiest way to get an app universal is to compile it with the GTK APIs. > > > > not necessarily. there are a lot of cross-platform frameworks. > > > And then, would that be Mac applications? hybrid. > Most developers won't want to > put all their eggs in one basket and prefer using universal frameworks > over the vanilla mac APIs. no they don't, because the results are never as good than if it was native. the app lacks features that competing apps have and it looks wrong too. it's a tradeoff. if you want to run on multiple platforms, you end up with the least common denominator. > So how many applications are really qualifying to be "mac apps"? a lot.
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| From | Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 21:19 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <l56b4q$n2d$1@tota-refugium.de> |
| In reply to | #51774 |
On 03.11.2013 19:54, nospam wrote: > it's a tradeoff. if you want to run on multiple platforms, you end up > with the least common denominator... ...losing what, in case of a newsreader running that way on OSX? -- One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round. One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-04 12:20 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <1lbt8w7.l7ulmnsy9q3mN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #51774 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <l5699j$gpb$1@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun > <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote: > > > >> The easiest way to get an app universal is to compile it with the GTK > > >APIs. > > > > > > not necessarily. there are a lot of cross-platform frameworks. > > > > > And then, would that be Mac applications? > > hybrid. > > > Most developers won't want to > > put all their eggs in one basket and prefer using universal frameworks > > over the vanilla mac APIs. > > no they don't, because the results are never as good than if it was > native. the app lacks features that competing apps have and it looks > wrong too. > > it's a tradeoff. if you want to run on multiple platforms, you end up > with the least common denominator. > > > So how many applications are really qualifying to be "mac apps"? > > a lot. And remember kids - none of this is arbitrary drawing of lines in the sand... -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 08:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <slrnl7c248.2gu.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #51717 |
In article <021120132103509952%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > My slrn is compiled for Darwin and is not executable on any other > > platform. In fact, it does run on Intel baxed Macs only, and is neither > > exectuable on PPC Macs nor Inteld based Linux or Windows PCs. > > > > But if your definition of a Mac App is that it has a GUI by Mac > > standards, that's your definition. > > > > Others may claim that a Mac app is what you do buy from the App store, > > and nothing else. > > > > I claim that a program, running on the Mac, is a Mac application. > > The commonly accepted definition of a Mac application is one written > for the Macintosh, using Apple's API's (which means that they use > Apple's GUI). nospam is right. Not only has nospam not claimed any of that (he pointed to the "look" of the app, and the .app extension), but that makes tons of apps not Mac apps, like Firefox and Thunderbird, who are not developed using Apple's API's and doesn't use Apple's GUI. MOst users would probably still consider these to "look" like Mac apps, and they have a .app extension on their parent folder, so... The point is that it's hard to have too rigid of a rules on what constitutes a "Mac app". And, as I mentioned earlier, what nospam probably meant was a "Cocoa app" or a "OSX app" which may exclude CLI apps (but not necessarily, cli apps can be written with Cocoa). -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 04:39 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <031120130439070377%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #51738 |
In article <slrnl7c248.2gu.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > > The commonly accepted definition of a Mac application is one written > > for the Macintosh, using Apple's API's (which means that they use > > Apple's GUI). nospam is right. > > Not only has nospam not claimed any of that (he pointed to the "look" of > the app, and the .app extension), actually, that is what i claimed. writing an app for the mac using apple's apis will give you an app that looks and feels like other mac apps (although there are exceptions) and it will have an .app extension. > but that makes tons of apps not Mac apps, > like Firefox and Thunderbird, who are not developed using Apple's API's and > doesn't use Apple's GUI. MOst users would probably still consider these to > "look" like Mac apps, and they have a .app extension on their parent > folder, so... those are a bit of a crossbreed, but it's clear their roots are not on the mac. many of them do not look like typical mac apps, especially when they use cross-platform frameworks which uses its own user interface elements rather than the native ones. they stick out like a sore thumb. some apps, in an effort to be consistent across all platforms, pick windows standards for the ui design and it just looks wrong on a mac. one which really annoys me is when a dialog has its default button (usually the 'ok' button) on the wrong side. it's opposite on windows than it is on mac. these apps are really windows apps which were ported to the mac and with a half-assed job. at a minimum, cross-platform apps should use native ui elements so at least it looks correct on each platform it runs on. works both ways too. a mac interface looks wrong on windows. > The point is that it's hard to have too rigid of a rules on what > constitutes a "Mac app". nobody said anything about rigid, but a command line utility is not only not a mac app but it's not an app at all, and it's not in the applications folder either. > And, as I mentioned earlier, what nospam probably meant was a "Cocoa app" > or a "OSX app" which may exclude CLI apps (but not necessarily, cli apps > can be written with Cocoa). as a rough guide, what would qualify is an app is something that meets apple's human interface guidelines. however, that's not a strict requirement, as they are just guidelines, not rules which must not be broken.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 08:49 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <031120130849482301%foo@bar.com> |
| In reply to | #51742 |
In article <031120130439070377%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > some apps, in an effort to be consistent across all platforms, pick > windows standards for the ui design and it just looks wrong on a mac. > > one which really annoys me is when a dialog has its default button > (usually the 'ok' button) on the wrong side. it's opposite on windows > than it is on mac. When Claris wrote FileMaker Plus for Windows, that's what it did; it made the Windows app be consistent with the Mac app. As a result of complaints by Windows users, the next version of FileMaker Plus adhered to the Windows guidelines.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-04 01:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <bdoa1fFg0jkU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51717 |
On 2013-11-03, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <slrnl7bh5f.9s4.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin > ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote: > >> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:27:26 -0400, nospam wrote: >> > > > > And Thunderbird is? Whether or not something is a "mac app" >> > > > > should be determined by whether or not it can run as a >> > > > > process under the Mac operating system, no? >> > > > >> > > > tin and slrn are cli apps. >> > > >> > > So is "osascript", a command line program for running Mac >> > > AppleScript, runs for obvious reasons only on macs. >> > > >> > > "defaults" is a good example of a cli-only and Mac-only >> > > application. >> > >> > mac applications, otherwise known as apps, are gui programs, with >> > a .app extension. >> > >> > what you describe are cli commands, many of which existed before >> > the mac, and do not use any mac specific technologies at all, >> > namely graphics (but a slew of other stuff). >> >> Ok, so it's your arbitrary definition. >> >> > > It's just that some apps have a GUI and some do not. Having a GUI >> > > doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. >> > >> > yes it does. the mac is all about gui. >> >> whatever you say >> >> My slrn is compiled for Darwin and is not executable on any other >> platform. In fact, it does run on Intel baxed Macs only, and is >> neither exectuable on PPC Macs nor Inteld based Linux or Windows PCs. >> >> But if your definition of a Mac App is that it has a GUI by Mac >> standards, that's your definition. >> >> Others may claim that a Mac app is what you do buy from the App >> store, and nothing else. >> >> I claim that a program, running on the Mac, is a Mac application. > > The commonly accepted definition of a Mac application is one written > for the Macintosh, using Apple's API's (which means that they use > Apple's GUI). nospam is right. No way. If you think the only area Apple chose to develop APIs was the user interface, you'd be so wrong you might be wise to consider comedy for a career. ; ) No, my definition of a Macintosh application is that the application was compiled for, and runs on the Macintosh platform. Plain and simple. And why the fuck are you guys having this tit for tat argument to begin with? Even if slrn isn't a "Mac application" by the strict definition, the reality is that at least some Mac users do use and value it. So be it. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 19:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <031120131913257068%foo@bar.com> |
| In reply to | #51805 |
In article <bdoa1fFg0jkU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > The commonly accepted definition of a Mac application is one written > > for the Macintosh, using Apple's API's (which means that they use > > Apple's GUI). nospam is right. > > No way. > > If you think the only area Apple chose to develop APIs was the user > interface, you'd be so wrong you might be wise to consider comedy for a > career. ; ) No, I said that the GUI is a subset of the APIs.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-04 03:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <bdojfqFgd4aU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51821 |
On 2013-11-04, Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote: > In article <bdoa1fFg0jkU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > The commonly accepted definition of a Mac application is one written >> > for the Macintosh, using Apple's API's (which means that they use >> > Apple's GUI). nospam is right. >> >> No way. >> >> If you think the only area Apple chose to develop APIs was the user >> interface, you'd be so wrong you might be wise to consider comedy for a >> career. ; ) > > No, I said that the GUI is a subset of the APIs. Ok. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-04 00:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <bdo9g3Fg0jkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #51712 |
On 2013-11-03, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote: > > My slrn is compiled for Darwin and is not executable on any other > platform. In fact, it does run on Intel baxed Macs only, and is neither > exectuable on PPC Macs nor Inteld based Linux or Windows PCs. > > But if your definition of a Mac App is that it has a GUI by Mac > standards, that's your definition. > > Others may claim that a Mac app is what you do buy from the App store, > and nothing else. > > I claim that a program, running on the Mac, is a Mac application. Indeed. Especially one that is compiled specifically to run on the Macintosh architecture. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 08:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <slrnl7c1g3.2gu.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #51665 |
In article <021120131927268318%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > So is "osascript", a command line program for running Mac AppleScript, runs > > for obvious reasons only on macs. > > > > "defaults" is a good example of a cli-only and Mac-only application. > > mac applications, otherwise known as apps, are gui programs, with a > .app extension. That's a rather simplistic view, if you ask me. Which you didn't :) By the way, ".app" is not an extension for an executable, only for the folder where the executable is found. It's a "magic extension" that makes the Finder treat folders in a specific way. > what you describe are cli commands, many of which existed before the > mac, and do not use any mac specific technologies at all, namely > graphics (but a slew of other stuff). Quite the contrary. ~> osascript -e 'display dialog "This is a GUI"' Sure, most shell commands are meant to display termcap/shell information, and few have any form of GUI, but it's hardly a rule. Any cli commands can have any GUI > > In fact, *ALL* applications are CLI apps on a Mac, all have cli > > executables, launch safari by executing its executable file as such: > > > > sandman@ ~> cd /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/ > > sandman@ /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS> ./Safari > > thats just a shortcut for double-clicking. The "open" command is a shortcut for double-clicking. The above tells the BSD shell to execute the "Safari" binary (note the lack of .app). > that's very different than a command line utility that parses the > command string in terminal for parameters, returning information in > text form. Absolutely, no argument there. But I think it's silly to claim that "mdfind", a command line program for accessing the Mac-only Spotlight database is not a Mac application. > > It's just that some apps have a GUI and some do not. Having a GUI doesn't > > make an app more "Mac" than another. > > yes it does. the mac is all about gui. Not since it moved to BSD UNIX :) > it's the same over on windows - dos apps (command line) versus windows > apps (gui). Ah, maybe you're making the distinction between "CLI apps" and "OSX apps"? Or "Aqua apps" or "Cocoa apps"? "Mac" is the hardware, "Windows" is the operating system. The distinction is a bit clearer there. BUt maybe I'm starting to understand what you mean, and I'm just not agreeing with the nomenclature of the claim :) I'll substitute, in my mind, "Mac app" for "Cocoa app" from here on out :) > > > thunderbird at least looks like a mac app. it's not the most well > > > designed, but at least it's not a cli. > > > > "looks" doesn't define what is and what isn't a Mac app... It may be what > > defines as a typical "Mac-style", but if the app executes natively on a > > Mac, then it's a Mac app. > > looks is exactly what defines it. Not really no. One can make a very Windows-like Cocoa app. -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-08 16:28 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <timmcn-5F65DB.16282108112013@news.iphouse.com> |
| In reply to | #51656 |
In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is the case. -- And wackiness ensues...
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-09 04:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <be5r33Fb47aU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #52074 |
On 2013-11-08, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>, > Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > >> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. > > You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is > the case. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-10 08:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !¡! |
| Message-ID | <slrnl7uguf.3ol.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #52074 |
In article <timmcn-5F65DB.16282108112013@news.iphouse.com>, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > > Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. > > You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is > the case. Indeed I do, and it's not something I merely "think". -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-11 09:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !�! |
| Message-ID | <l5q2ve$urb$1@tota-refugium.de> |
| In reply to | #52074 |
On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote: > In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>, > Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > >> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. > > You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is > the case. > Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013? ìէ'ʂ ą քìէվ էհąէ վօմɾ ʂօƒէաąɾҽ çąղ'է ժìʂքӀąվ էհąէ. -- One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round. One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-11 00:52 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !�! |
| Message-ID | <201311110052518781-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #52122 |
On 2013-11-11 08:02:49 +0000, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> said: > On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote: >> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>, >> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: >> >>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. >> >> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is >> the case. >> > Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support > since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013? > > ìէ'ʂ ą քìէվ էհąէ վօմɾ ʂօƒէաąɾҽ çąղ'է ժìʂքӀąվ էհąէ. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-11 00:56 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Newsreaders !�! |
| Message-ID | <2013111100565837013-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #52122 |
On 2013-11-11 08:02:49 +0000, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> said: > On 08.11.2013 23:28, Tim McNamara wrote: >> In article <slrnl7b0ll.13j.mr@irc.sandman.net>, >> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: >> >>> Having a GUI doesn't make an app more "Mac" than another. >> >> You don't know much about this history of the Mac if you think that is >> the case. >> > Just to mention Mac's history: Macintoshs have included Unicode support > since version 8.5 and your newsreader still can't cope with it in2013? > > ìէ'ʂ ą քìէվ էհąէ վօմɾ ʂօƒէաąɾҽ çąղ'է ժìʂքӀąվ էհąէ. Hey Laz! For a guy who doesn't even use a Mac, you sure get your knickers in a knot over Mac Usenet clients and Unicode. Do you have plans to buy a Mac sometime in your future? -- Regards, Savageduck
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