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| Started by | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-01-28 08:53 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-01-30 10:50 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 155 — 26 participants |
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Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-28 08:53 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 14:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-01-28 08:47 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Julian Gomez <jeg@polished-pixels.com> - 2015-01-29 00:06 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-28 10:55 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-28 11:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 17:02 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 17:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 21:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-28 15:31 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 21:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-28 13:24 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 23:10 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-01-28 13:23 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 13:52 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-28 15:56 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-28 16:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 14:09 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-28 16:15 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 22:01 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 20:23 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 22:18 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 00:38 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:15 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-29 14:30 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-28 22:25 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 10:42 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 07:50 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 16:11 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 16:40 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:19 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-29 23:37 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 10:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-30 10:28 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-31 19:44 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-29 18:36 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-30 02:42 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-29 18:32 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 10:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 08:59 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 16:23 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 10:37 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:19 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 12:59 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 00:15 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 07:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:26 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 10:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 16:07 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:29 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:53 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-01 16:31 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 16:36 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-02-01 19:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 19:26 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 21:48 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 13:56 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-01 23:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-01 20:07 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-01 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-01 17:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-01 22:55 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> - 2015-02-01 23:58 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 09:37 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 11:35 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 16:53 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 13:11 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:27 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-02 17:12 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 23:14 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-03 09:14 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 16:12 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-02-03 09:36 +1100
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-02 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 18:28 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-03 13:24 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-02 23:56 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-02 22:40 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-03 17:28 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-02-04 08:32 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-05 09:13 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-01 22:28 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:15 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-02 14:13 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:51 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 01:05 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-01 09:43 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-01 15:49 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-01-31 09:39 +0100
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 12:37 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:25 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-31 15:14 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:31 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-30 09:03 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:31 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:47 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 15:16 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:36 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 16:45 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-29 20:35 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 09:09 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-30 16:27 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-31 10:31 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-30 16:37 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 19:18 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 10:01 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:08 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-31 15:51 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:20 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:18 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:26 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 17:49 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-31 16:53 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 13:56 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-01 13:01 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-30 19:17 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-31 08:52 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 13:53 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:26 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-31 15:06 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 20:22 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 23:35 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-01 09:20 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-31 18:54 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-30 19:16 -0600
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-29 18:17 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 22:21 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-30 00:34 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-30 23:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-30 22:00 -0700
Re: Apple's in trouble again JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-31 12:24 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-31 10:02 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-31 14:24 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-01 10:22 +1300
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-29 19:34 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 10:01 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-30 15:28 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 11:02 -0500
Re: Apple's in trouble again Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-01-28 13:33 -0800
Re: Apple's in trouble again Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-01-28 22:41 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 23:05 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 23:13 +0000
Re: Apple's in trouble again Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-30 10:50 -0500
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 23:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmd018h.1sbd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #69471 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> was all, like: > In article <54cfa737$0$24564$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>, JF > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >>This may spell real trouble for Apple: >> >> >>http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31085912 >>Obama plans tax on US firms overseas to fix roads at home > Could be that this: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31088908 > turns out to be more of a problem for Apple in the long run. Tee hee. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-03 09:14 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <030220150914194002%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69469 |
In article <54cfa737$0$24564$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > This may spell real trouble for Apple: > > http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31085912 > Obama plans tax on US firms overseas to fix roads at home > > GE is the most touched, but Apple, Microsoft and US pharmaceuticals also > touched. > > If Apple loses any advantage of keeping its piggy bank in Ireland, > perhaps that money will come back to the USA and be distributed to > investors. > > Would not be fair for USA to tax Apple on French profits for which it > has already paid taxes in France. I could see the USA tax the difference > though (if it owes $10 to USA govt , and already paid $7 to French govt, > then Apple only sends $3 to USA govt). Nope, if the product was sold in France, then the profit goes back to Apple France and the tax paid to the French government ... it has nothing to do with America. Of course greedy Governments trying to cover their ever increasing debts will try to double/triple-dip the btax system - so that product sold in France will be legally manoevered to have been bought by Apple France from Apple America, and therefore add American tax to that "sale". But there are a huge pile of logistical problems. When there is no Apple in the country - for example, there is no "Apple New Zealand", so that would mean sales here would have be lodged with either Apple Australia or Apple Asia-Pacific (and this one brings more issues). Apple then has to also get money back from all the regions to contribute to R&D, etc., which will then be taxed by America. The easy way out of the logistical mess is for Apple to simply stop selling worldwide. Go back to the system of Apple resellers rather than having it's own stores. Apple sells to a reseller, Apple pays American tax and the reseller pays local tax.
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| From | Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 16:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <G8adnU_NqO_XdVLJnZ2dnUU7-QWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #69469 |
In article <54cfa737$0$24564$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>,
JF
>
> Would not be fair for USA to tax Apple on French profits for which it
> has already paid taxes in France. I could see the USA tax the difference
> though (if it owes $10 to USA govt , and already paid $7 to French govt,
> then Apple only sends $3 to USA govt).
The US is one of two or three countries that taxes it's corporations
(and FWIW individuals) no matter where the money is made.
--
“Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.”
— Aaron Levenstein
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-03 09:36 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-72E19D.09362703022015@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #69480 |
In article <G8adnU_NqO_XdVLJnZ2dnUU7-QWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote: > In article <54cfa737$0$24564$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>, > JF > > > > Would not be fair for USA to tax Apple on French profits for which it > > has already paid taxes in France. I could see the USA tax the difference > > though (if it owes $10 to USA govt , and already paid $7 to French govt, > > then Apple only sends $3 to USA govt). > > The US is one of two or three countries that taxes it's corporations > (and FWIW individuals) no matter where the money is made. Big issue in Australian politics at the moment. -- dorayme
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 23:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmd013b.1sbd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #69469 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like: > This may spell real trouble for Apple: You are an idiot and a troll. > http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31085912 > Obama plans tax on US firms overseas to fix roads at home You also have the reading comprehension of a slug. This proposal would allow companies to bring money into the US that would be taxes at a MUCH lower rate. Money that they cannot use in the US right now at all. > If Apple loses any advantage of keeping its piggy bank in Ireland, > perhaps that money will come back to the USA and be distributed to > investors. Once again, you are an imbecile who cannot read. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 18:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54d00808$0$29421$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #69482 |
On 15-02-02 18:12, Lewis wrote: > This proposal would allow companies to bring money into the US that > would be taxes at a MUCH lower rate. Money that they cannot use in the > US right now at all. And money which the USA does not tax right now. (unless patriated to USA). The proposal would see it taxed whether left offshore or patriated to USA. Note that in the case of Apple, it isn't about repatriating money since this is money that was never made in USA, it was made by selling abroad. So this represents a net tax increase for Apple. But yeah, once they have paid that forced tax, then they can bring that money in.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-03 13:24 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <030220151324496536%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69484 |
In article <54d00808$0$29421$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-02-02 18:12, Lewis wrote: > > > This proposal would allow companies to bring money into the US that > > would be taxes at a MUCH lower rate. Money that they cannot use in the > > US right now at all. > > And money which the USA does not tax right now. (unless patriated to > USA). The proposal would see it taxed whether left offshore or patriated > to USA. > > Note that in the case of Apple, it isn't about repatriating money since > this is money that was never made in USA, it was made by selling abroad. > > So this represents a net tax increase for Apple. But yeah, once they > have paid that forced tax, then they can bring that money in. Easy solution: Apple lowers prices from now on and runs completely as a "non-profit" organisation, so therefore wouldn't need to pay taxes (other than sales tax) in many places. ;-)
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 23:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54d054ec$0$64463$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #69485 |
On 15-02-02 19:24, Your Name wrote: > Easy solution: Apple lowers prices from now on and runs completely as a > "non-profit" organisation, Apple could spin off its subsidiaries outsude USA into separate corporation with AAPL and AAPL2 shares. The USA govt could then not touch AAPL2 profits since it would not be a USA corporation and would not be owned by AAPL. AAPL2 could then issue dividends from its irish piggy bank, while AAPL would do so from the one in Cuppertino. Of course, there will be high level lobbying done to prevent foreign earnings from being taxed, with likely a compromise to allow 14% tax when patriating money from abroad (but only for that money that is patriated).
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 22:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <020220152240062397%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #69488 |
In article <54d054ec$0$64463$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > Easy solution: Apple lowers prices from now on and runs completely as a > > "non-profit" organisation, > > Apple could spin off its subsidiaries outsude USA into separate > corporation with AAPL and AAPL2 shares. The USA govt could then not > touch AAPL2 profits since it would not be a USA corporation and would > not be owned by AAPL. Then that money would not be Apple's, and Apple couldn't use it for anything.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-03 17:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54d14b82$0$46872$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #69489 |
On 15-02-03 00:40, Michelle Steiner wrote: > Then that money would not be Apple's, and Apple couldn't use it for > anything. Same as now. AAPL2 could contract with AAPL to develop software, develop new trinkets. It is a way Apple currently uses money in ireland to fund development in california.
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-04 08:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <D0F78984.B4278%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #69488 |
On 2/2/15 10:56 PM, in article 54d054ec$0$64463$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-02-02 19:24, Your Name wrote: > >> Easy solution: Apple lowers prices from now on and runs completely as a >> "non-profit" organisation, > > Apple could spin off its subsidiaries outsude USA into separate > corporation with AAPL and AAPL2 shares. The USA govt could then not > touch AAPL2 profits since it would not be a USA corporation and would > not be owned by AAPL. > > AAPL2 could then issue dividends from its irish piggy bank, while AAPL > would do so from the one in Cuppertino. > > Of course, there will be high level lobbying done to prevent foreign > earnings from being taxed, with likely a compromise to allow 14% tax > when patriating money from abroad (but only for that money that is > patriated). > With that line of thinking, maybe you could become the next Sec of Treasury, it is just about as logical as anything this administration has set forth.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-05 09:13 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <050220150913480544%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69499 |
In article <D0F78984.B4278%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > <snip> > > it is just about as logical as anything this administration has set forth. Having your brain removed is one of the most important qualifications for becoming a manager, which includes those in the government. :-(
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-01 22:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj7nlbF5uugU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69441 |
On 2015-02-01, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > I was being facetious! Mainframes, if they still exist, I expect you used one today, without knowing it. -- Today is Boomtime, the 32nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181 Fancy some more excitement in your life? I'm selling my 300 bhp/tonne Westfield SEiW. Ask me for details.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 14:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qLidnRasZfJMUVLJnZ2dnUU7-QudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69441 |
On 2015.02.01 14:14 , sctvguy1 wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:36:52 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-01, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:53:19 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015.01.31 12:29 , JF Mezei wrote:
>>>>> On 15-01-31 11:07, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are
>>>>>> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring
>>>>>> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll rephrase that: IBM wants to keep its corporate customers who are
>>>>> seeing a move to Apple products, so IBM integrates support and apps
>>>>> for idevices into its own ecosystem.
>>>>
>>>> Fair enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Apple, lacking the genes to go into corporate business gets its foot
>>>>> in the door via IBM. But IBM is the bigger winner in this.
>>>>
>>>> At least in the short term. OTOH, Apple may just be content providing
>>>> the platform.
>>>
>>> I do not see Apple starting to make mainframes!
>>
>> I don't think anyone here has suggested Apple will make mainframes.
>
> JR,
> I was being facetious! Mainframes, if they still exist, were pure IBM.
> I remember my college running them, the tapes spinning, etc. I even had
> a copy of OS/390 at one time, I had no way to even use it!
take a look at
http://www.hercules-390.org/
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-02 14:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qLidnResZfLDUVLJnZ2dnUU7-QudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69439 |
On 2015.02.01 11:31 , sctvguy1 wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:53:19 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> On 2015.01.31 12:29 , JF Mezei wrote:
>>> On 15-01-31 11:07, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are
>>>> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring
>>>> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices.
>>>
>>> I'll rephrase that: IBM wants to keep its corporate customers who are
>>> seeing a move to Apple products, so IBM integrates support and apps for
>>> idevices into its own ecosystem.
>>
>> Fair enough.
>>
>>
>>> Apple, lacking the genes to go into corporate business gets its foot in
>>> the door via IBM. But IBM is the bigger winner in this.
>>
>> At least in the short term. OTOH, Apple may just be content providing
>> the platform.
>
> I do not see Apple starting to make mainframes!
I used the wrong word, I should have said "appliances". And of course
the underlying OS.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 18:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0_6dnYPjXrAR91DJnZ2dnUU7-I-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69402 |
On 2015.01.31 11:07 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.01.31 09:26 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2015.01.30 19:15 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will
>>>>>> reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and
>>>>>> solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean IBM - not HP:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/12/10Apple-and-IBM-Deliver-First-Wave-of-IBM-MobileFirst-for-iOS-Apps.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/>
>>>>
>>>> I was going to bring that up, but as far as I can tell, Apple are not
>>>> very implicated in the apps side of this.
>>>
>>> Apple is providing a whole lot of technical and developer support to
>>> IBM. It's a joint effort.
>>
>> The bit you snipped about not being on the corporate inroads side of
>> this was the germane part.
>
> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are
> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring
> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices.
The inroads are on the IBM side. Apple seems to be in a support role to
IBM (I guess that's one corporate inroad) - selling all the widgets
doesn't hurt of course...
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-01 01:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj5cdtFhfmcU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69425 |
On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015.01.31 11:07 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> >> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are >> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring >> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices. > > The inroads are on the IBM side. Apple seems to be in a support role to > IBM (I guess that's one corporate inroad) - selling all the widgets > doesn't hurt of course... I doubt you have the in-depth knowledge to know which side(s) are making inroads, especially considering this effort has *just* gotten started. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-01 09:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <B5WdnSvII5kWplPJnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69432 |
On 2015.01.31 20:05 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.01.31 11:07 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are
>>> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring
>>> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices.
>>
>> The inroads are on the IBM side. Apple seems to be in a support role to
>> IBM (I guess that's one corporate inroad) - selling all the widgets
>> doesn't hurt of course...
>
> I doubt you have the in-depth knowledge to know which side(s) are making
> inroads, especially considering this effort has *just* gotten started.
Your own link (2nd one) illustrates it best.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-01 15:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cj707uFu32eU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69436 |
On 2015-02-01, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015.01.31 20:05 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-01-31, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>> On 2015.01.31 11:07 , Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how you think that changes anything. Apple and IBM are >>>> attempting to make corporate inroads by collaborating to bring >>>> enterprise-level apps to iOS devices. >>> >>> The inroads are on the IBM side. Apple seems to be in a support role to >>> IBM (I guess that's one corporate inroad) - selling all the widgets >>> doesn't hurt of course... >> >> I doubt you have the in-depth knowledge to know which side(s) are making >> inroads, especially considering this effort has *just* gotten started. > > Your own link (2nd one) illustrates it best. I'm sure speculation can be fun, but I prefer facts. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2015-01-31 09:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bvgupb-8dr1.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #69378 |
On 2015-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <cj13s9FddqvU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge ><Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> On 2015-01-30, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: >> > In article <civ645FspmjU1@mid.individual.net>, >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> management demands to use iPhones, iPads, and Macs, even corporate IT >> >> departments that are bullheadedly entrenched in Microsoft products have >> >> no choice but to concede. >> > >> > That's what's happening at the company that bought the startup where I >> > work. 50+ software engineers, all with Macs plus 4 IT people with PC >> > laptops >> >> We have 300,000 laptops/desktops on our network. Unless Apple can offer >> us management tools to look after that, they aren't getting anywhere. > > Apple does have Mac OS X Server, but I've never looked into what admin > tool come with that. > > They've also recently started a new partnership with HP which will > reportedly mean more "enterprise" level business software and > solutions, but there's of course no word on what those actually are > yet. Gulp. -- An invention needs to make sense in the world in which it's finished, not the world in which it's started. -- Ray Kurzweil
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