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  Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-01 09:15 -0700
    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-01 11:56 -0500
    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-01 17:10 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-01 10:27 -0700
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-01 19:23 -0500
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 01:47 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-01 21:41 -0500
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 03:07 +0000
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 01:50 -0500
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 08:08 -0700
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:21 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 10:23 -0600
                    Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 10:36 -0700
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 12:48 -0500
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 18:09 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 11:14 -0700
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 18:09 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social responsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 11:17 -0700
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-02 17:06 +1300
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:25 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 10:32 -0700
                    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 12:47 -0500
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 11:10 -0700
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 13:12 -0500
                          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 13:18 -0500
                            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 11:54 -0700
                    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 13:57 -0600
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:21 -0500
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 17:25 -0800
                    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 21:47 +0000
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 17:56 -0700
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 01:17 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 21:30 -0500
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 18:07 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 21:48 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 18:19 -0500
                    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:25 -0500
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-03-07 20:38 -0500
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-01 21:37 -0700
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 10:13 -0600
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:23 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 12:02 -0500
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 10:30 -0700
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 12:46 -0500
                          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 11:09 -0700
                            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 14:03 -0600
                            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 21:45 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:15 -0500
                              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 01:18 +0000
                              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 19:57 -0700
                                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-03 07:51 -0500
                                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 15:05 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 21:44 +0000
                          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 17:55 -0700
                      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 13:56 -0600
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 15:49 -0500
                        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 17:44 -0700
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 10:29 -0700
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 05:19 +0000
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-01 21:37 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-03-01 23:55 -0600
            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:24 +0000
    Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-01 21:37 -0800
      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-03-02 10:28 -0500
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 11:04 -0500
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:25 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 18:02 +0000
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 11:10 -0700
            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 11:26 -0800
            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 22:19 +0000
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 17:57 -0700
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 17:04 -0800
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-03-07 20:25 -0500
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-07 18:52 -0700
                Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-08 06:50 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-08 09:23 -0600
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 11:20 -0800
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:19 -0500
      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 10:14 -0600
      Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-03 09:00 +1300
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-02 14:25 -0600
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-03 13:40 +1300
        Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 13:04 -0800
          Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-03 13:44 +1300
            Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-02 17:02 -0800
              Re: Tim Cook chooses social resonsibility Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-03 16:21 +1300

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#57380

In article <bnh4blF37q6U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > And you'd certainly know that, with your astounding intimate knowledge
> >> > of everything he does inside Apple's secretive halls. As if...
> >> 
> >> Unless you work in Tim Cook's office, you know as much as I do about
> >> him. Sorry to insult you, but your speculation has as much value as mine.
> >
> > Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
> > Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
> > looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
> > an excerpt from the book on Friday
> > http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/28/haunted-empire-tim-cook-management/
> 
> Because books know everything!

"I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
internet."

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#57385

In article <020320141032318976%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <bnh4blF37q6U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> > And you'd certainly know that, with your astounding intimate knowledge
> > >> > of everything he does inside Apple's secretive halls. As if...
> > >> 
> > >> Unless you work in Tim Cook's office, you know as much as I do about
> > >> him. Sorry to insult you, but your speculation has as much value as mine.
> > >
> > > Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
> > > Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
> > > looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
> > > an excerpt from the book on Friday
> > > http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/28/haunted-empire-tim-cook-management/
> > 
> > Because books know everything!
> 
> "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> internet."

Not on its face any more.   Too many fictional non-fiction books have 
come out over the years. Always look at not only the author, but also 
the author's sources.
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#57395

In article <cMGdnWMT694l847OnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Because books know everything!
> > 
> > "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> > internet."
> 
> Not on its face any more.   Too many fictional non-fiction books have 
> come out over the years. Always look at not only the author, but also 
> the author's sources.

It appears to me that you missed my sarcasm.

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#57399

In article <020320141110215190%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <cMGdnWMT694l847OnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > Because books know everything!
> > > 
> > > "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> > > internet."
> > 
> > Not on its face any more.   Too many fictional non-fiction books have 
> > come out over the years. Always look at not only the author, but also 
> > the author's sources.
> 
> It appears to me that you missed my sarcasm.

And you then returned the favor....
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#57404

In article <_8udnd8Hr6oR6Y7OnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <020320141110215190%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <cMGdnWMT694l847OnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> > Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Because books know everything!
> > > > 
> > > > "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> > > > internet."
> > > 
> > > Not on its face any more.   Too many fictional non-fiction books have 
> > > come out over the years. Always look at not only the author, but also 
> > > the author's sources.
> > 
> > It appears to me that you missed my sarcasm.
> 
> And you then returned the favor....

   Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the reader 
who doesn't get it.
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#57406

In article <kKedndwY1PyV647OnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the reader 
> who doesn't get it.

*laugh*

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#57412

On 3/2/14 11:32 AM, in article 020320141032318976%michelle@michelle.org,
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <bnh4blF37q6U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> And you'd certainly know that, with your astounding intimate knowledge
>>>>> of everything he does inside Apple's secretive halls. As if...
>>>> 
>>>> Unless you work in Tim Cook's office, you know as much as I do about
>>>> him. Sorry to insult you, but your speculation has as much value as mine.
>>> 
>>> Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
>>> Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
>>> looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
>>> an excerpt from the book on Friday
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/28/haunted-empire-tim-cook-management/
>> 
>> Because books know everything!
> 
> "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> internet."

Most source the National Enquirer while waiting to check out with their beer
and Cheetos.

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#57463

On 14-03-02 14:57, George Kerby wrote:

>> "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
>> internet."
> 
> Most source the National Enquirer while waiting to check out with their beer
> and Cheetos.


I really miss the World Weekly News, it was quite authoritative with
pictures supporting all their articles. I think CNN is now approaching
their level of reporting so I may start to watch CNN again for
entertainment value :-)

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#57465

In article <5313d8ff$0$32622$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-03-02 14:57, George Kerby wrote:
> 
> >> "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> >> internet."
> > 
> > Most source the National Enquirer while waiting to check out with their beer
> > and Cheetos.
> 
> 
> I really miss the World Weekly News, it was quite authoritative with
> pictures supporting all their articles. I think CNN is now approaching
> their level of reporting so I may start to watch CNN again for
> entertainment value :-)

'All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest'

    ~~  Paul Simon

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'

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#57425

On 2014-03-02, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <bnh4blF37q6U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > And you'd certainly know that, with your astounding intimate knowledge
>> >> > of everything he does inside Apple's secretive halls. As if...
>> >> 
>> >> Unless you work in Tim Cook's office, you know as much as I do about
>> >> him. Sorry to insult you, but your speculation has as much value as mine.
>> >
>> > Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
>> > Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
>> > looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
>> > an excerpt from the book on Friday
>> > http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/28/haunted-empire-tim-cook-management/
>> 
>> Because books know everything!
>
> "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> internet."

That may be true or completely false depending on the particular book or
web page.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#57450

In article <bnhn6tF7sesU6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> Because books know everything!
> >
> > "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> > internet."
> 
> That may be true or completely false depending on the particular book or
> web page.

Apparently, you, too, missed my sarcasm.

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#57460

On 2014-03-03, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <bnhn6tF7sesU6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Because books know everything!
>> >
>> > "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
>> > internet."
>> 
>> That may be true or completely false depending on the particular book or
>> web page.
>
> Apparently, you, too, missed my sarcasm.

I did. My apologies.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#57470

In article <020320141756086101%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <bnhn6tF7sesU6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> Because books know everything!
> > >
> > > "I read it in a book," is much more compelling than "I saw it on the
> > > internet."
> > 
> > That may be true or completely false depending on the particular book or
> > web page.
> 
> Apparently, you, too, missed my sarcasm.

I am sensing a trend developing... (grin)
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#57391

In message <020320141706218997%YourName@YourISP.com> 
  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <53129a6f$0$59741$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 14-03-01 20:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
> <snip>
>> >
>> > And you'd certainly know that, with your astounding intimate knowledge
>> > of everything he does inside Apple's secretive halls. As if...
>> 
>> Unless you work in Tim Cook's office, you know as much as I do about
>> him. Sorry to insult you, but your speculation has as much value as mine.

> Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
> Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
> looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
> an excerpt from the book on Friday
> http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/28/haunted-empire-tim-cook-management/

Rather than comment on this idiotic hatchet job, I'll let John Gruber
have his (very long) say.

<http://daringfireball.net/2014/02/fitting_facts_to_the_narrative>

tldr: Kane is a hack

tldr (slightly longer edition):

Kane:
> People who shouldn’t leave are leaving, or, in the case of the
> mobile-software executive Scott Forstall, being fired.

> Mistakes, in turn, are being made: Apple Maps was a fiasco, and ads,
> like the company’s short-lived Genius ads and last summer’s
> self-absorbed manifesto ad, have been mediocre.

Gruber:
> In one sentence, Kane says it was a mistake to fire Scott Forstall. In
> the very next sentence, she calls the launch of Apple Maps “a fiasco”.
> Here’s the thing: Apple Maps was under Forstall’s purview — Forstall was
> the DRI, in Apple management parlance. Adam Lashinsky reported for
> Forbes that one of the reasons for Forstall’s ouster is that he refused
> to sign the company’s letter apologizing for the quality of Apple Maps.
> Kane can argue that Forstall should not have been fired. She can argue
> that the launch of Apple Maps was a firing offense. But she can’t have
> it both ways.


-- 
He felt that the darkness was full of unimaginable horrors - and the
trouble with unimaginable horrors was that they were only too easy to
imagine...

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#57426

On 2014-03-02, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <020320141706218997%YourName@YourISP.com> 
>   Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> In article <53129a6f$0$59741$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> On 14-03-01 20:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> >
>>> > And you'd certainly know that, with your astounding intimate knowledge
>>> > of everything he does inside Apple's secretive halls. As if...
>>> 
>>> Unless you work in Tim Cook's office, you know as much as I do about
>>> him. Sorry to insult you, but your speculation has as much value as mine.
>
>> Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
>> Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
>> looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
>> an excerpt from the book on Friday
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/28/haunted-empire-tim-cook-management/
>
> Rather than comment on this idiotic hatchet job, I'll let John Gruber
> have his (very long) say.
>
><http://daringfireball.net/2014/02/fitting_facts_to_the_narrative>
>
> tldr: Kane is a hack
>
> tldr (slightly longer edition):
>
> Kane:
>> People who shouldn’t leave are leaving, or, in the case of the
>> mobile-software executive Scott Forstall, being fired.
>
>> Mistakes, in turn, are being made: Apple Maps was a fiasco, and ads,
>> like the company’s short-lived Genius ads and last summer’s
>> self-absorbed manifesto ad, have been mediocre.
>
> Gruber:
>> In one sentence, Kane says it was a mistake to fire Scott Forstall. In
>> the very next sentence, she calls the launch of Apple Maps “a fiasco”.
>> Here’s the thing: Apple Maps was under Forstall’s purview — Forstall was
>> the DRI, in Apple management parlance. Adam Lashinsky reported for
>> Forbes that one of the reasons for Forstall’s ouster is that he refused
>> to sign the company’s letter apologizing for the quality of Apple Maps.
>> Kane can argue that Forstall should not have been fired. She can argue
>> that the launch of Apple Maps was a firing offense. But she can’t have
>> it both ways.

Proof that any asshole can write a book.

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#57433

On 2014.03.02, 13:07 , Lewis wrote:

>> the DRI, in Apple management parlance. Adam Lashinsky reported for
>> Forbes that one of the reasons for Forstall’s ouster is that he refused
>> to sign the company’s letter apologizing for the quality of Apple Maps.
>> Kane can argue that Forstall should not have been fired. She can argue
>> that the launch of Apple Maps was a firing offense. But she can’t have
>> it both ways.

The key reason Forstall was fired was that he was not collaborating 
(playing nice in the sandbox) with others at (near) his level in the co. 
  The maps fiasco and the refusal to apologize for it were just lubricant.

-- 
   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#57466

On 14-03-02 18:19, Alan Browne wrote:

> The key reason Forstall was fired was that he was not collaborating 
> (playing nice in the sandbox) with others at (near) his level in the co. 
>   The maps fiasco and the refusal to apologize for it were just lubricant.


I saw the Maps thing as the straw that broke the camel's back. I suspect
Cook and Jobs had heard complaints about Forstall not working well with
others for quite some time and the case to get rid of him was building
up. The Maps thing was the catalyst to get it done.

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#57729

In article <020320141706218997%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Wait a couple more weeks and you can read the new book "Haunted Empire,
> Apple After Steve Jobs" being published on 18 March that evidently
> looks at Tim Cook's management style. The Wall Street Journal published
> an excerpt from the book on Friday

Of course it did. It's written by one of the hacks for the Murdoch rag.

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GOP delenda est!

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#57332

In article <53129a6f$0$59741$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Apple requires this underpaid and overworked labour to remain
> competitive. So its PR steps are not to end it or fix it, it is only to
> give the appearance of doing something about it.

If you actually bothered to pay attention to what is actually
happening, you would see that Apple is actually doing things to fix it.

> > come to expect you to ignore that and shed this in the worst possible
> > light you can muster. Your trolling is transparent.
> 
> Debate does not happen if differences in opinion are not tolerated.

Debating with you is like debating with a creationist.

> > No surprise there. Just about everything about Apple is "unclear" and
> > "uncertain" to you. You must make that statement every day of your life
> > (often right here on Usenet).
> 
> Apple is very secretive. (whether justified of not is not the question).
> So pundits have to speculate based on small hints that Apple allows to
> escape.

Apple has allowed more than "small hints" regarding its steps towards
being green and its steps to reduce, if not eliminate, the labor
problems in its subcontractors.  It has been very open.

> And your attempts to portray Apple as a nice friendly sensitive company
> are naive. AAPL is a corporation, and it has financial imperatives and
> PR imperatives.  Believing that its PR initiatives are "benevolent" is
> quite naive. It is all about corporate image to increase sales, brand
> image etc. It is very calculated business decision.

Right; like, for instance, telling an institutional stockholder, if
they don't like Apple's environmental policy to invest somewhere else.

Keep up your trolling; it is quite amusing.

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#57360

On 3/1/14 10:37 PM, in article 010320142137499956%michelle@michelle.org,
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <53129a6f$0$59741$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Apple requires this underpaid and overworked labour to remain
>> competitive. So its PR steps are not to end it or fix it, it is only to
>> give the appearance of doing something about it.
> 
> If you actually bothered to pay attention to what is actually
> happening, you would see that Apple is actually doing things to fix it.
> 
>>> come to expect you to ignore that and shed this in the worst possible
>>> light you can muster. Your trolling is transparent.
>> 
>> Debate does not happen if differences in opinion are not tolerated.
> 
> Debating with you is like debating with a creationist.
> 

Or an Obama supporter...

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