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  Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-01 20:06 -0700
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-01 20:54 -0700
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 04:19 +0000
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-02 08:59 +0200
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 13:23 +0000
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-02 08:56 +0200
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-02 09:54 +0100
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 10:25 -0700
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-02 19:10 +0100
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 11:30 -0700
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-04 08:25 +0200
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-04 15:52 -0400
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 14:49 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 18:05 -0400
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-05 09:35 +0200
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-05 12:27 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-04 18:51 -0700
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:01 -0700
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-04 19:54 -0700
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:09 +0000
                        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:15 -0400
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:20 +0000
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 02:04 -0400
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 22:14 -0400
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-04 22:34 -0400
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 02:59 +0000
                        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-05 02:57 -0400
                          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 07:53 +0000
                            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-05 20:19 -0400
                          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:18 -0700
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:13 +0000
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 02:49 +0000
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:02 -0700
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:04 +0000
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 02:08 -0400
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-05 18:37 +1200
                        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 03:41 -0400
                          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:07 +0000
                            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 14:15 -0400
                          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-06 14:59 +1200
                            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-06 02:42 -0400
                              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-05 23:51 -0700
                              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-06 23:59 +1200
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:16 -0700
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 09:01 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-02 15:55 +0000
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 09:05 -0700
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 18:06 +0000
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 15:11 -0400
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 19:56 +0000
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-02 17:37 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-03 05:31 +0000
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 16:06 -0400
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-05 09:11 +0000
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:39 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 09:04 -0700
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-02 12:44 -0400
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 09:53 -0700
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-02 15:16 -0400
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 12:32 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 17:24 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-02 22:49 -0400
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 21:01 -0700
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 18:11 +0000
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 15:11 -0400
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 19:57 +0000
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:39 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-03 05:30 +0000
                  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-03 10:20 -0700
                    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-04 09:23 +0000
                      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 16:06 -0400
                        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-05 09:12 +0000
                          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-06 21:56 -0400
                            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-07 22:53 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 15:10 -0400
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 19:54 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:36 +0000
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-03 05:22 +0000
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:34 +0000

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#61672 — Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos

http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
nsions/


updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
App will support third-party extensions

In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.

Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.

What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.

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#61675

In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
> nsions/
> 
> 
> updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
> App will support third-party extensions
> 
> In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
> Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
> representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
> effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
> spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
> 
> Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
> photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
> Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
> 
> What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
> screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
> elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
> color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
> promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.

Sure.  I bet it tries to copy a 5 TB library to a hidden directory on 
the tiny Trash Can Mac's boot drive while syncing to iCloud.

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#61676

On 2014-07-02, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
>> nsions/
>
> Sure.  I bet it tries to copy a 5 TB library to a hidden directory on 
> the tiny Trash Can Mac's boot drive while syncing to iCloud.

Haters gonna hate.

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#61680

In article <c1hfiiFd0urU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-02, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> > In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>,
> >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
> >> nsions/
> >
> > Sure.  I bet it tries to copy a 5 TB library to a hidden directory on 
> > the tiny Trash Can Mac's boot drive while syncing to iCloud.
> 
> Haters gonna hate.

You may be one of them. Criticism is not hate. Some people are so
mentally corrupted by big business that they can't even think for
themselves.

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#61689

On 2014-07-02, Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> In article <c1hfiiFd0urU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-02, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>> > In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>,
>> >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
>> >> nsions/
>> >
>> > Sure.  I bet it tries to copy a 5 TB library to a hidden directory on 
>> > the tiny Trash Can Mac's boot drive while syncing to iCloud.
>> 
>> Haters gonna hate.
>
> You may be one of them.

I'm not hating on anyone.

> Criticism is not hate. Some people are so
> mentally corrupted by big business that they can't even think for
> themselves.

Haters gonna hate...

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#61679

In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
> nsions/
> 
> 
> updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
> App will support third-party extensions
> 
> In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
> Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
> representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
> effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
> spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
> 
> Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
> photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
> Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
> 
> What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
> screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
> elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
> color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
> promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.

Great, finally we'll be able to do levels, exposure, contrast,
hightlights and shadows. As if we couldn't already now.

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#61681

In article <020720140856347262%baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl>, Beli
<baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
> > nsions/
> > 
> > 
> > updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
> > App will support third-party extensions
> > 
> > In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
> > Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
> > representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
> > effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
> > spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
> > 
> > Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
> > photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
> > Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
> > 
> > What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
> > screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
> > elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
> > color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
> > promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.
> 
> Great, finally we'll be able to do levels, exposure, contrast,
> hightlights and shadows. As if we couldn't already now.

Thass right. I can do all those things in Preview, supplied with every
Mac.

-- 
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those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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#61704

On 2014-07-02 08:54:56 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:

> In article <020720140856347262%baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl>, Beli
> <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
>> In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
>> > nsions/
>> > > > updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
>> > App will support third-party extensions
>> > > In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
>> > Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
>> > representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
>> > effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
>> > spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
>> > > Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
>> > photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
>> > Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
>> > > What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
>> > screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
>> > elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
>> > color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
>> > promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.
>> 
>> Great, finally we'll be able to do levels, exposure, contrast,
>> hightlights and shadows. As if we couldn't already now.
> 
> Thass right. I can do all those things in Preview, supplied with every
> Mac.

...and if you use adjustment and editing workflow features, such as 
camera & lens profiles, CA correction, Grads, radial filter, content 
aware features, high pass filter, layer masks, split toning, and quite 
a few more, you might just find Preview lacking.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#61706

In article <2014070210253024710-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-02 08:54:56 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
> 
> > In article <020720140856347262%baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl>, Beli
> > <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> >> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
> >> > nsions/
> >> > > > updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
> >> > App will support third-party extensions
> >> > > In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
> >> > Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
> >> > representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
> >> > effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
> >> > spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
> >> > > Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
> >> > photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
> >> > Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
> >> > > What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
> >> > screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
> >> > elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
> >> > color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
> >> > promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.
> >> 
> >> Great, finally we'll be able to do levels, exposure, contrast,
> >> hightlights and shadows. As if we couldn't already now.
> > 
> > Thass right. I can do all those things in Preview, supplied with every
> > Mac.
> 
> ...and if you use adjustment and editing workflow features, such as 
> camera & lens profiles, CA correction, Grads, radial filter, content 
> aware features, high pass filter, layer masks, split toning, and quite 
> a few more, you might just find Preview lacking.

Oh indubitably. But I don't, see. SWMBO does some of that stuff using
LR, though.

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#61708

On 2014-07-02 18:10:48 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:

> In article <2014070210253024710-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-07-02 08:54:56 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
>> 
>> > In article <020720140856347262%baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl>, Beli
>> > <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> > >> In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>> >> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > 
>> http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
>> >> > nsions/
>> >> > > > updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
>> >> > App will support third-party extensions
>> >> > > In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
>> >> > Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
>> >> > representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
>> >> > effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
>> >> > spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
>> >> > > Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
>> >> > photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
>> >> > Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
>> >> > > What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
>> >> > screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
>> >> > elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
>> >> > color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
>> >> > promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.
>> >> >> Great, finally we'll be able to do levels, exposure, contrast,
>> >> hightlights and shadows. As if we couldn't already now.
>> > > Thass right. I can do all those things in Preview, supplied with every
>> > Mac.
>> 
>> ...and if you use adjustment and editing workflow features, such as 
>> camera & lens profiles, CA correction, Grads, radial filter, content 
>> aware features, high pass filter, layer masks, split toning, and quite 
>> a few more, you might just find Preview lacking.
> 
> Oh indubitably. But I don't, see. SWMBO does some of that stuff using
> LR, though.

Of course LR does much of that stuff. She is using a good tool.
My current workflow is LR5 + PS CC.
I use Preview as a convenient image viewer and occasionally to add 
annotations to some image files, not as my primary editor.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#61734

On 2014-07-02, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-02 08:54:56 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
>
>> In article <020720140856347262%baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl>, Beli
>> <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <010720142006262552%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
>>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > http://www.macnn.com/articles/14/07/01/app.will.support.third.party.exte
>>> > nsions/
>>> > > > updated 04:40 pm EDT, Tue July 1, 2014
>>> > App will support third-party extensions
>>> > > In the wake of Aperture's demise, the upcoming Photos app for OS X
>>> > Yosemite will incorporate professional-level features, an Apple
>>> > representative claims. These include functions related to editing,
>>> > effects, and image search, and support for third-party extensions. The
>>> > spokesperson didn't go into any further details however.
>>> > > Aperture was Apple's attempt at professional workflow software for
>>> > photographers. The last major update was released in 2010 however, and
>>> > Adobe Lightroom eventually became the industry standard.
>>> > > What is known about Photos can be gleaned from the app's only official
>>> > screenshot so far. Settings panels will let people adjust lighting
>>> > elements like levels, exposure, contrast, highlights, and shadows, and
>>> > color elements such as white balance and saturation. Apple has also
>>> > promised that people will be able to import Aperture libraries.
>>> 
>>> Great, finally we'll be able to do levels, exposure, contrast,
>>> hightlights and shadows. As if we couldn't already now.
>> 
>> Thass right. I can do all those things in Preview, supplied with every
>> Mac.
>
> ...and if you use adjustment and editing workflow features, such as 
> camera & lens profiles, CA correction, Grads, radial filter, content 
> aware features, high pass filter, layer masks, split toning, and quite 
> a few more, you might just find Preview lacking.

That's rather the point.  The "only official screenshot" didn't show
any of those.

-- 
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#61767

Comment on the whole issue:

Adobe switched to subscription paradigm I have no idea how well that is
working out for them.

At one point, Adobe had to be "convinced" to continue to produce for the
Mac ecosystem. Its focus had switched to Windows marketplace. Not sure
how much the success of OS-X in recent years has caused Adobe to refocus
on the Mac.  People buying laptops may not be the ones who buy the full
suite of Adobe products.

If the Adobe market on Macs is still borderline, I could see Apple
giving Adobe a nudge in the right direction by no longer producing
competing software. Pulling out of Final Cut and now Aperture would
point to that. (low market share is just the result of a strategic
decision to not push those products).

On the other hand, it wants to provide the consumers with easy to use
powerful software. In most cases, "easy to use" and "powerful" don't
co-exist, so there are limits to how powerful Apple's consumer software
can be.

My guess is that we will see improvements to iPhoto to make the consumer
level software better rather than seeing a separate product that woiuld
compete against Adobe.  It is a marketing advantage to have good photo
management software that comes with new computers, especially now that
everyone has a camera in their phone and many other gadgets.

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#61785

On 2014-07-04 19:52:28 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:

> Comment on the whole issue:
> 
> Adobe switched to subscription paradigm I have no idea how well that is
> working out for them.

Not too bad, Not too bad at all.

> At one point, Adobe had to be "convinced" to continue to produce for the
> Mac ecosystem. Its focus had switched to Windows marketplace. Not sure
> how much the success of OS-X in recent years has caused Adobe to refocus
> on the Mac.  People buying laptops may not be the ones who buy the full
> suite of Adobe products.

I have never seen any move away from the Mac environment by Adobe, and 
i have been a PS user on Macs since PS7. I currently use PS CC 2014 + 
LR5 on this Mac.
I can see some of the CC Suite being used on laptops, but not 
necessarily the entire Suite.

> If the Adobe market on Macs is still borderline, I could see Apple
> giving Adobe a nudge in the right direction by no longer producing
> competing software.

The Adobe market on Macs has never been "borderline".

> Pulling out of Final Cut and now Aperture would
> point to that. (low market share is just the result of a strategic
> decision to not push those products).
> 
> On the other hand, it wants to provide the consumers with easy to use
> powerful software. In most cases, "easy to use" and "powerful" don't
> co-exist, so there are limits to how powerful Apple's consumer software
> can be.

That is an issue to deal with regarding the new *Photos* App, and just 
how much they are going to lean toward the consumer and ease of use, or 
the pro/prosumer and perceived lack of ease of use.
Adobe already provides a detuned PS in Elements, and there are already 
other options for the the Mac consumer such as Pixelmator.

> My guess is that we will see improvements to iPhoto to make the consumer
> level software better rather than seeing a separate product that woiuld
> compete against Adobe.

Agree.

> It is a marketing advantage to have good photo
> management software that comes with new computers, especially now that
> everyone has a camera in their phone and many other gadgets.

...and it is the expanding phone camera/iphone market that Apple is 
aiming at. We are in the new age of the Instamatic and the kodak 110, 
and the photo kiosk is your computer.
Let's just hope, in terms of image quality, it doesn't mean a return to 
the era of the Kodak disc camera.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#61790

In article <2014070414493678818-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > If the Adobe market on Macs is still borderline, I could see Apple
> > giving Adobe a nudge in the right direction by no longer producing
> > competing software.
> 
> The Adobe market on Macs has never been "borderline".

15 years ago, adobe was considering dumping the mac entirely.

however, it's nowhere near borderline now. it's been around 50% for
each platform for a while, and it's probably higher on mac lately.

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#61944

In article <040720141805343818%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <2014070414493678818-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
> > > If the Adobe market on Macs is still borderline, I could see Apple
> > > giving Adobe a nudge in the right direction by no longer producing
> > > competing software.
> > 
> > The Adobe market on Macs has never been "borderline".
> 
> 15 years ago, adobe was considering dumping the mac entirely.
> 
> however, it's nowhere near borderline now. it's been around 50% for
> each platform for a while, and it's probably higher on mac lately.

Adobe is not very user friendly. I've had trouble with several of their
apps. Recently I downloaded a book from Kobo with an Adobe DRM which
refused to download properly to my iPad. It should work with Adobe
Digital Editions, but this app on my mac was an old version and my
Adobe ID didn't work properly after several years. I updated Adobe Dig.
Ed. and that messed up my book completely.
So I bought an expensive book, but can't read it. I asked for a refund.

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#61980

Beli:
> Adobe is not very user friendly. I've had trouble with several of their
> apps....

You're transferring your experience to the entire Adobe user base. I
don't think that is valid. Adobe makes lots of applications that
perform complex tasks. It is not surprising that the user interfaces
are a bit complex, considering the vast number of functions in the
software.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#61830

In article <2014070414493678818-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-04 19:52:28 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:
> 
> > Comment on the whole issue:
> > 
> > Adobe switched to subscription paradigm I have no idea how well that is
> > working out for them.
> 
> Not too bad, Not too bad at all.
> 
> > At one point, Adobe had to be "convinced" to continue to produce for the
> > Mac ecosystem. Its focus had switched to Windows marketplace. Not sure
> > how much the success of OS-X in recent years has caused Adobe to refocus
> > on the Mac.  People buying laptops may not be the ones who buy the full
> > suite of Adobe products.
> 
> I have never seen any move away from the Mac environment by Adobe, and 
> i have been a PS user on Macs since PS7. I currently use PS CC 2014 + 
> LR5 on this Mac.
> I can see some of the CC Suite being used on laptops, but not 
> necessarily the entire Suite.
> 
> > If the Adobe market on Macs is still borderline, I could see Apple
> > giving Adobe a nudge in the right direction by no longer producing
> > competing software.
> 
> The Adobe market on Macs has never been "borderline".

Apple was _extremely_ close to going out of business around the time 
MacOS 9 and the junky PPC 603 Performas were their main product.  I was 
a software developer in Silicon Valley at the time and everybody was 
talking about Mac development shutting down.  The customer base was 
falling below 3%, early versions of OS 9 were too buggy, and new PPC 603 
Performa models were far too slow for modern features.  If I remember 
correctly, Adobe did unofficially abandon Apple development.  The 
company I worked for unofficially abandoned Apple development too. (BTW, 
I fixed one of the huge OS 9 bugs that made apps crash.  You're welcome.)

Microsoft saved Apple's butt to avoid some complicated anti-trust 
regulations.  Jobs returning was good enough news that some Mac software 
development eventually returned.


So now back in the year 2014:

- Apple delivers the "Trash Can" Mac Pro, which is like a very fast 
sport bike for professionals who asked for a truck.

- More iCloud integration, but iCloud storage is 10 years out of date 
and not compatible with non-Apple devices.

- Controlling software sales and locking out the free market.

- Both Google and Microsoft are competition.

- "Sandboxing" complicates, cripples, and makes some use patterns 
confusing.

- Not adding support for modern open standards.  Not even Bluetooth File 
Transfer on iPhones.

- Not documenting graphics systems again.

- Last few OS releases are just screwing with the GUI while the core 
becomes unusably obsolete.

- Apple announces yet another development environment that doesn't work 
with anything else.


I'm still a software developer in Silicon Valley.  Everyone that I know 
is preparing to to jump to another platform if/when the Apple market 
collapses.




> 
> > Pulling out of Final Cut and now Aperture would
> > point to that. (low market share is just the result of a strategic
> > decision to not push those products).
> > 
> > On the other hand, it wants to provide the consumers with easy to use
> > powerful software. In most cases, "easy to use" and "powerful" don't
> > co-exist, so there are limits to how powerful Apple's consumer software
> > can be.
> 
> That is an issue to deal with regarding the new *Photos* App, and just 
> how much they are going to lean toward the consumer and ease of use, or 
> the pro/prosumer and perceived lack of ease of use.
> Adobe already provides a detuned PS in Elements, and there are already 
> other options for the the Mac consumer such as Pixelmator.
> 
> > My guess is that we will see improvements to iPhoto to make the consumer
> > level software better rather than seeing a separate product that woiuld
> > compete against Adobe.
> 
> Agree.
> 
> > It is a marketing advantage to have good photo
> > management software that comes with new computers, especially now that
> > everyone has a camera in their phone and many other gadgets.
> 
> ...and it is the expanding phone camera/iphone market that Apple is 
> aiming at. We are in the new age of the Instamatic and the kodak 110, 
> and the photo kiosk is your computer.
> Let's just hope, in terms of image quality, it doesn't mean a return to 
> the era of the Kodak disc camera.

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#61832

In article <mcmurtrie-29397D.18515904072014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> I'm still a software developer in Silicon Valley.  Everyone that I know 
> is preparing to to jump to another platform if/when the Apple market 
> collapses.

Yup, and if/when the Android market collapses, they'll jump to another
platform.

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#61861

In article <040720141901060016%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mcmurtrie-29397D.18515904072014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
> McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> 
> > I'm still a software developer in Silicon Valley.  Everyone that I know 
> > is preparing to to jump to another platform if/when the Apple market 
> > collapses.
> 
> Yup, and if/when the Android market collapses, they'll jump to another
> platform.

Android isn't likely to collapse any time within the next 15 years.  
It's an open Linux system that can continue with or without Google.  The 
same can't be said for MacOS or iOS.  Pretty much anything done on MacOS 
and iOS now has an equivalent on at least one of Linux and Windows 
systems at the moment.

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#61874

In article <mcmurtrie-30E521.19540304072014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> > > I'm still a software developer in Silicon Valley.  Everyone that I know 
> > > is preparing to to jump to another platform if/when the Apple market 
> > > collapses.
> > 
> > Yup, and if/when the Android market collapses, they'll jump to another
> > platform.
> 
> Android isn't likely to collapse any time within the next 15 years.  

that all depends what samsung decides to do. 

you do realize they've been working on their own mobile os, do you not?

> It's an open Linux system that can continue with or without Google. 

android without google services is not very useful. 

> The 
> same can't be said for MacOS or iOS.  Pretty much anything done on MacOS 
> and iOS now has an equivalent on at least one of Linux and Windows 
> systems at the moment.

definitely not. continuity is one example and there are many more.

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